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12995Re: The Old & New Inquisition against the Gnostics this Sun on CCG!!!

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  • pmcvflag
    Feb 20, 2007
      BTW Lady Cari, when you talked about Couliano being mentioned in the
      interview I meant to post this as the probable quote...

      "Once I believed that Gnosticism was a well-defined phenomenon
      belonging to the religious history of Late Antiquity. Of course, I
      was ready to accept the idea of different prolongations of ancient
      Gnosis, and even that of spontaneous generation of views of the
      world in which, at different times, the distinctive features of
      Gnosticism occur again.

      I was soon to learn however, that I was a naïf indeed. Not only
      Gnosis was gnostic, but the Catholic authors were gnostic, the
      Neoplatonic too, Reformation was gnostic, Communism was gnostic,
      Nazism was gnostic, liberalism, existentialism and psychoanalysis
      were gnostic too, modern biology was gnostic, Blake, Yeats, Kafka
      were gnostic…. I learned further that science is gnostic and
      superstition is gnostic…Hegel is gnostic and Marx is gnostic; all
      things and their opposite are equally gnostic."

      The funny part is, I have had people actually use this quote to
      counter something I have said thinking that Couliano was being
      serious. They thought he was advocating an uncritical usage
      of "Gnosticism" and saying it really WAS all these things. I would
      like to dream that people don't abuse our words this way... but...


      --- In gnosticism2@yahoogroups.com, pmcvflag <no_reply@...> wrote:
      > Hey Lady Cari
      > >>>PMCV, I think you have hit on a major reason why what eventually
      > developed into mainstream, exoteric Christian orthodoxy was used
      as a
      > weapon instead of more otherworldly, abstruse systems...<snip>....
      > It's very possible that not only the exoteric church and its
      > polemics, but also its emphasis on Biblical religious figures as
      > historical figures would more readily relate to mainstream groups
      > and the worldly political arena than an otherworldly, metaphorical
      > and mythological approach. Worldly political powers targeted
      > heretics as enemies by which to define their ideologies.<<<
      > Exactly. The literalism and simple pistic soteriology is a double
      > whammy in that it is easy to understand, but also plays well into
      > political agendas since it lends itself readily to a sort of civil
      > codification.
      > The perfect tool for the power hungry.
      > >>>Regarding the term "gnostic," Dr. Versluis also noted how
      > gradually the expression no longer always had historical meaning,
      > and often became synonymous with "People that I don't like." The
      > professor also mentioned Couliano's essay from the 1980s in which
      > made fun of everything being "gnostic" nowadays. "Gnostic" often
      > became pejorative, where things were seen to be diminished if this
      > word were used. He sees that as a throwback to ancient antiheresy
      > rhetoric.<<<
      > It is always nice to hear somebody else point this out besides us,
      > eh? *lol*
      > PMCV
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