12995Re: The Old & New Inquisition against the Gnostics this Sun on CCG!!!
- Feb 20, 2007BTW Lady Cari, when you talked about Couliano being mentioned in the
interview I meant to post this as the probable quote...
"Once I believed that Gnosticism was a well-defined phenomenon
belonging to the religious history of Late Antiquity. Of course, I
was ready to accept the idea of different prolongations of ancient
Gnosis, and even that of spontaneous generation of views of the
world in which, at different times, the distinctive features of
Gnosticism occur again.
I was soon to learn however, that I was a naïf indeed. Not only
Gnosis was gnostic, but the Catholic authors were gnostic, the
Neoplatonic too, Reformation was gnostic, Communism was gnostic,
Nazism was gnostic, liberalism, existentialism and psychoanalysis
were gnostic too, modern biology was gnostic, Blake, Yeats, Kafka
were gnostic . I learned further that science is gnostic and
superstition is gnostic Hegel is gnostic and Marx is gnostic; all
things and their opposite are equally gnostic."
The funny part is, I have had people actually use this quote to
counter something I have said thinking that Couliano was being
serious. They thought he was advocating an uncritical usage
of "Gnosticism" and saying it really WAS all these things. I would
like to dream that people don't abuse our words this way... but...
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, pmcvflag <no_reply@...> wrote:
> Hey Lady Cari
> >>>PMCV, I think you have hit on a major reason why what eventually
> developed into mainstream, exoteric Christian orthodoxy was used
> weapon instead of more otherworldly, abstruse systems...<snip>....
> It's very possible that not only the exoteric church and its
> polemics, but also its emphasis on Biblical religious figures as
> historical figures would more readily relate to mainstream groups
> and the worldly political arena than an otherworldly, metaphorical
> and mythological approach. Worldly political powers targeted
> heretics as enemies by which to define their ideologies.<<<
> Exactly. The literalism and simple pistic soteriology is a double
> whammy in that it is easy to understand, but also plays well into
> political agendas since it lends itself readily to a sort of civil
> The perfect tool for the power hungry.
> >>>Regarding the term "gnostic," Dr. Versluis also noted how
> gradually the expression no longer always had historical meaning,
> and often became synonymous with "People that I don't like." The
> professor also mentioned Couliano's essay from the 1980s in which
> made fun of everything being "gnostic" nowadays. "Gnostic" often
> became pejorative, where things were seen to be diminished if this
> word were used. He sees that as a throwback to ancient antiheresy
> It is always nice to hear somebody else point this out besides us,
> eh? *lol*
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