12660Re: Fwd: [christiandruids] The People of the Scrolls
- Aug 2, 2006Blessings!!!
I hoped it would be of interest.
**I doubt the author of this peice could really back those two
Hmmm. I give up. Should I ask her?
**...procreation was supported at that time and not doing so was
some kind of unkinown and exotic idead that made no sense.**
Well, I'm quite sure that is as true today as it was then. But I
don't believe Yeshua was a rabbi, personally, although he was
refered to as one I don't think he felt as if he was one-at least he
didn't refer to himself in that manner. If he had been, I doubt if
the established religious orders would have considered him as much
of a threat.
**but I think it would be a rabbit trail that would probably take us
overly far off topic. Anyway, I guess we all know that the Gnostics
of old would not agree.**
Such trails seem to be blazed frequently in this forum. I am of the
personal belief that all religions are different paths to the same
light (even mine), but some paths do go round and round more than
others; however, I understand your need to set yourself apart. I do
find it facinating that you are so sure of what the ancients
thought. Do you channel, by any chance?
Love and peas
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, pmcvflag <no_reply@...> wrote:
> Interesting piece you offered. While the Essenes are not
> technically "Gnostic", there are some interesting things about
> that can help us explore the specific syncratic elements that fed
> into Gnosticism.
> For one, we obviously get some differing versions from parts of
> we call the "Bible", which shows there was no fear in this era of
> doing so (4q158). We see wisdom liturature contrasted with a fall
> a sort of feminine "Folly" (4q184, 4q185). We see a good deal of
> Hellenization (for example 4q186) that is solid proof that this
> already a well developed phenominon before Jesus, and even in the
> areas many people seem to think would not be touched by such
> There is even a similar interest in figures like Melchizedek.
> On the other hand, I think it is important to remember that most
> scholars believe that the DSS are actually not from one single
> group, and certainly not entirely an Essene collection.
> A couple specific things.....
> >>>They were writers and collectors of books, they meditated on
> mysteries of God and sought in the Bible the path to secular and
> transcendental supremacy. The only group within Second Temple
> Judaism to develop a systematic theology, they composed their own
> works of biblical commentary and organized what is considered to
> the earliest esoteric society.<<<
> I doubt the author of this piece could really back those two
> >>>Facing the Essenes and characteristic of a closed society was a
> ponderous problem: What should be their attitude toward the rest
> the Jews? On the one hand they had to protect their isolation; on
> the other they were compelled to nurture the hope that most of
> coreligionists would join them at the end of days.<<<
> I think this is very important. If we do accept that some Gnostics
> were syncratic Jews then it can show how cultural attitudes could
> give a negative slant even internally.
> >>>The ambivalence of such zeal and the need to distance
> from earthly distractions may also have ultimately encouraged the
> Essenes to embrace celibacy.<<<
> This is not only an important point concerning the growing
> towards monasticism in the era, but also it relates to some of
> the "Da Vinci Code" kind of thinking where people often argue that
> procreation was supported at the time and not doing so was some
> of unknown and exotic ideal that would have made no sense. Even
> in this group we have often heard the argument that if Jesus was
> a "rabbi" he would have been married, or other spurious arguements
> of that sort. Obviously this position simply isn't historically
> >>>"What we need is not the victory of one religion over another
> the recognition of the noble and the good in all religions. It is
> encouraging that to a large extent, and at their best, [the high
> religions] exalt the same principles and plead for the same
> righteousness and point to love and brotherhood as the path to the
> good life, both for individuals and for society."<<<
> I can think of all kinds of conversation and debate concerning
> but I think it would be a rabbit trail that would probably take us
> overly far off topic. Anyway, I guess we all know that the
> of old would not agree.
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