10984Re: Pursuit of gnosis (GNOSIS and Salvation)
- Apr 14, 2005--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "gich morgan" <gich2@b...> wrote:
> Hey Cari!
> >>>... explain WHICH "Sophian gnosticism" ...<<<
> I didn't know there was ONE recognised "Sophian gnosticism" never
> SEVERAL as is implied by your question. Any information you canprovide on
> the different versions of "Sophian gnosticism" would be muchappreciated.
> :-)No, I'm not personally aware of different versions, Gich, but then
I'm not aware of all modern Sophian groups that might be around. I
just worded my question in that manner because you had denoted an
actual modern category of "Sophian gnosticism" and I thought you
might have had some modern groups in mind. Now I see you were
hypothesizing such a category, if I understand you correctly.
Generally, historical Gnosticism has been broadly categorized into
Valentinian and Sethian Gnosticism.
> Now to answer your question which was prompted by my earliercomments. The
> way I use the term "Sophian gnosticism" is regarding a gnosticismthat would
> be "Sophia" centred rather than "Christ" centred. There will be amain route
> Christology because the "Christ" event cannot be ignored but the
> to salvation will be via Sophia and her emanations. Thewhole "idea" system
> forms a very coherent whole and a very workable traditional non-Christian
> "Sophia centred" gnosticism can be described without reference toChrist at
> all.Interesting conjecture, Gich; however, I am confused as to how you
are using the term, "Christ." If Sophia were to be the "anointed" in
this hypothetical system, she could theoretically be a soter. On the
other hand, if you're saying that Jesus, a man, need not be part of
the system, that's another thing.
Even in Valentinian mythology, there is a difference between the
anointed (Christ) within the Pleroma (Fullness) and the (lower) Jesus
born of Mary of the material realm. Also, Ptolemy's version of the
Gnostic myth includes a higher Jesus (second-anointed Christ) within
the Fullness, Achamoth's bridegroom (and NOT to be confused with the
Jesus of the material realm)[_The Gnostic Scriptures_, Bentley
Layton, p. 278 a book with helpful annotations I would highly
recommend, BTW, Gich.].
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