10692Fwd: Gnostic claims to Paul of Tarsus
- Feb 21, 2005Hello Tsharpmin7@...
On 02/22/05, you wrote:
> do you have any sources that clearly link Paul as a willing
> participant or supporter of any these Gnostic communities that
> aren't hearsay or purely assumptive? just the idea that "many
> gnostic groups looked to him as their founder, even our beloved
> Valentinians and the quasi-Manachean Paulicians" seems to support
> this borrowed legitimacy point of view rather than support the
> notion that Paul, in addition to establishing literalist Christian
> communities, was simultaneously establishing their antithetical
> Gnostic communities as well.
All I can say is that Valentinus claimed the Apistolic Succession from
Paul via an intermediate teacher. True? Who knows. Also, while
none of the quotes come to mind, well over 30 years ago I came up
with twenty some quotes from him that truely sounded Gnostic for a
lecture. Did Paul set up gnostic communities as well as orthodox
ones, at the time things were so much in flux, the question is
meaningless. Do I think Paul was a gnostic, no, but he was as you
say, influenced by them (probably the Sethians). Everyone goes to
Paul, because his writings are the earliest in the New Testament, and
too much emphasis is laid on him, and the Hyde part of him is as
un-Gnostic as you can get.
Mike Leavitt ac998@...
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