Re: [Global Warming] Yes.....You are wrong...........................................................
- One group I would not trust with anything is IPCC. They are mainly a
bunch of ideologues with no concept of what they are doing to the
world. When you talk to other equally qualified climatologists you
get the impression that global warming is totally proved and that
there is NO consensus.
I presume that you put you pants on the same way that I do. Look
critically at the data and I think you will agree that there is a way
to go before one can say that the earth is significantly warming.
- In email@example.com, John Atkeison <john@a...> wrote:
> At 04:36 PM 12/31/03, tarh7777 wrote:into the
> > > Am I wrong in thinking that we finally have consensus among the
> > > scientific community that there is "no doubt" that we have
> > > anthropogenic global warming?
> For at least eight years the consensus has been that there is
> anthropomorphic warming ;-} and it is important to note _among_whom!
> Namely, the relevant scientists of the world who were organized
> IPCC. They are the opinions that really count. This is not anopinion poll,
> it is science! There were more factors than scientists' naturalrelevant.
> conservatism in expressing results that makes your question still
> Unfortunately, the negotiations that resulted in founding the IPCC
> in the inclusion of government representatives, which resulted inturn in
> the inclusion of such charming and disinterested reps as those ofSaudi
> Arabia. This meant in practice that the results expressed in thereports of
> the IPCC was watered down and stifled to a significant degree.knows
> It is a shame that the US governments - including Al Gore, who
> better- has participated in undermining the science from the start.The
> commercial media and corporate PR departments have raised suchconfusion
> that the actions necessary to ameliorate the effects were blocked.now lies:
> We are in big trouble now, IMHO.
> This issue made be get active again in the area where the problem
> politics.J. Liebling
> Sadly, angrly, and actively,
> Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one. --A.
> John Atkeisonof the US
> A delegate of the GPDE to the National Committee of the Green Party
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>What are the major candidates' positions on climate change? Have any madeI just realized that I have been paying no attention to this, because I
>any specific pledges re. emissions?
expect no better treatment from them than we got from Bush... who promised
to reduce CO2 during the pre-Supreme Court phase of the 2000 election.
This is an issue of political power. This power is effective at times &
places other than the ballot box- in fact, given the choice of candidates
that The Media chooses to allow to stay on The Island, a la Survivor, we
may have _more_ power in the streets than in the voting booth at the
Forcing Nixon out of office is a good example. He was reelected, thanks in
no small part to the neglect of the Watergate story _before_ the election,
especially by the Washington Post (mythology notwithstanding!).
But I still have banners that I made & carried for the pro-Impeachment
My point is that the political work required for this is effective in a lot
of places & ways, and to put big hopes on such a tightly controlled process
as a presidential election is to ask for disappointment.
At 05:18 AM 1/19/04, Jim Blackler wrote:
>--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, dmgan106 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > I think we are in the political phase of this (GW) debate now. In a
> > way it's lucky we are entering a political campaign. I urge each and
> > every one of you to get involved in it. It doesn't matter what
> > political candidate or what party you favor. We can't leave this
> > decision to the same people who usually vote in elections.
>What are the major candidates' positions on climate change? Have any
>made any specific pledges re. emissions?
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