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  • pmaclanderson
    ... And how is the supply of Mimmoths managing to survive on Castle Wulfenbach anyway? Is there only one cat? Was Krosp s future empire left behind when he
    Message 1 of 21 , Jan 11, 2004
      --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Doug O." <cadrys@y...> wrote:


      >
      > ... for when the supply of Mimmoths runs low, anyway.

      And how is the supply of Mimmoths managing to survive on Castle
      Wulfenbach anyway? Is there only one cat? Was Krosp's future empire
      left behind when he became a Wulfenbach possession?

      [Picture of Bull Mimmoth turning to protect the herd, raising trunk
      and trumpeting; scene of average cat-paw bowling him side over side
      before the pounce.]
    • Andrew Willett
      ... Yeah, but we know that Gil ends up hanging out with Agatha eventually--and my personal suspicion is that Gil is going to be Getting The Hell Out Of There
      Message 2 of 21 , Jan 11, 2004
        >> Wonder how long before the Baron finds that Agatha has left her
        >> own 'infection' aboard Castle Wulfenbach. A small army of self-
        >> replicating clanks.
        >
        > Gil knows about the Dingbots, and has no reason to hide them from
        > the Baron. I'd guess that as soon as he got the really urgent
        > stuff that Othar did to the Castle out of the way, the first thing
        > he'd do would be to interrogate Gil about what happened during the
        > attack on the hive engine and after. He'd learn about them then.

        Yeah, but we know that Gil ends up hanging out with Agatha
        eventually--and my personal suspicion is that Gil is going to be
        Getting The Hell Out Of There rather quickly once the dust settles.
        Dad's going to be pretty ticked off about the girl and the car and the
        explosions and stuff.

        Furthermore, Dad's going to be veeeeery curious about the
        invisibility(?) device if he ever finds out about it. If Agatha isn't
        already at the number one spot on Klaus's "sparks to be captured" list,
        that's exactly the sort of thing that's going to put her there.

        Just thinking.
        Andrew
      • Karrion
        ... But how long before it comes up? There is a hell of a lot going on right now. Agatha for starts. Then there is clean up on the wasps. Not to mention a
        Message 3 of 21 , Jan 11, 2004
          --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, David Goldfarb <goldfarb@o...>
          wrote:
          > Gil knows about the Dingbots, and has no reason to hide them from
          > the Baron. I'd guess that as soon as he got the really urgent
          > stuff that Othar did to the Castle out of the way, the first thing
          > he'd do would be to interrogate Gil about what happened during the
          > attack on the hive engine and after. He'd learn about them then.

          But how long before it comes up? There is a hell of a lot going on
          right now. Agatha for starts. Then there is clean up on the wasps.
          Not to mention a potential Jager revolt.


          > They self-replicate, but not perfectly. Each subsequent generation
          > gets a little bit worse-made than the last. After a while, I'd
          guess
          > that they'd lose the self-rep ability entirely. Since the original
          > ones aren't immortal, likely they'll be only a pest, not a plague.
          > (And if they *did* become a plague, I'd bet on Klaus and/or Gil
          > being able to come up with something to counter them.)

          O.K. Let's assume by the fourth generation they can no longer
          reproduce. Let's also assume it takes two to build a new one in one
          day and there are no 'food' shortage issues. If Agatha built 20 first
          generation dingbots in thirty days there would be over 65,000 of the
          little buggers running around the airship.

          Karrion
        • David Goldfarb
          From: Karrion ... Yes, and? They re pretty small, and the airship is pretty big. -- David Goldfarb | To the general
          Message 4 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
            From: "Karrion" <darthkarrion@...>
            --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, David Goldfarb <goldfarb@o...>
            wrote:
            >> They self-replicate, but not perfectly. Each subsequent generation
            >> gets a little bit worse-made than the last. After a while, I'd
            >guess
            >> that they'd lose the self-rep ability entirely. Since the original
            >> ones aren't immortal, likely they'll be only a pest, not a plague.
            >> (And if they *did* become a plague, I'd bet on Klaus and/or Gil
            >> being able to come up with something to counter them.)
            >
            >O.K. Let's assume by the fourth generation they can no longer
            >reproduce. Let's also assume it takes two to build a new one in one
            >day and there are no 'food' shortage issues. If Agatha built 20 first
            >generation dingbots in thirty days there would be over 65,000 of the
            >little buggers running around the airship.

            Yes, and? They're pretty small, and the airship is pretty big.

            --
            David Goldfarb <*>|"To the general public "calories" are not units
            goldfarb@... |of measurement but evil creatures that live in
            goldfarb@... |tasty food and make people fat."
            | -- Bill Jennings on rec.arts.comics.misc
          • Jonathan Burns
            ... Ja it s about time, ve can t get no sleep, der dingbots ist kedoinking in der ducts! Not a problem, mon capitain! We ve calculated ... if we just
            Message 5 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
              On Sunday 11 January 2004 16:32, Doug O. wrote:
              > Nah, the students would protect them.
              >
              > *Knock Knock* 
              >
              > "Yes, vot is it?"
              >
              > "Dingbot exterminators."

              "Ja it's about time, ve can't get no sleep, der dingbots ist kedoinking in der
              ducts!"

              "Not a problem, mon capitain! We've calculated ... if we just manoeuvre ...
              the forty-horsepower electromagnet ... up against the bulkhead here... and
              start her up...."
            • Anthony J. Albert
              ... Herds of mimmoths are probably grazing in the arboretum... or at least, skittering out to graze when everyone s asleep. Like mice and rats aboard ships,
              Message 6 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
                On 11 Jan 2004 at 23:03, pmaclanderson wrote:
                >--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Doug O." <cadrys@y...> wrote:
                >>
                >> ... for when the supply of Mimmoths runs low, anyway.
                >
                >And how is the supply of Mimmoths managing to survive on Castle
                >Wulfenbach anyway? Is there only one cat? Was Krosp's future empire
                >left behind when he became a Wulfenbach possession?
                >
                >[Picture of Bull Mimmoth turning to protect the herd, raising trunk
                >and trumpeting; scene of average cat-paw bowling him side over side
                >before the pounce.]

                Herds of mimmoths are probably grazing in the arboretum... or at least,
                skittering out to graze when everyone's asleep. Like mice and rats
                aboard ships, I'd imagine that mimmoths are pretty hard to _completely_
                get rid of - best one can do is keep them under control.

                Anthony Albert
                (who is working on a better mimmoth trap, profits from the sales of
                which will fund his _real_ research!)
                ===========================================================
                Anthony J. Albert albert@...
                Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster
                Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle
                "This is only temporary, unless it works."
                --- Red Green
              • Tim O'Brien
                ... I think she only made the one original, and the rest were kicked off by the Master Dingbot. If that s so, one dingbot can make one dingbot. So, sticking
                Message 7 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
                  --- Karrion <darthkarrion@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > O.K. Let's assume by the fourth generation they can
                  > no longer
                  > reproduce. Let's also assume it takes two to build a
                  > new one in one
                  > day and there are no 'food' shortage issues. If
                  > Agatha built 20 first
                  > generation dingbots in thirty days there would be
                  > over 65,000 of the
                  > little buggers running around the airship.

                  I think she only made the one original, and the rest
                  were kicked off by the Master Dingbot.

                  If that's so, one dingbot can make one dingbot. So,
                  sticking with the To The Fourth Generation idea,
                  there's 8 on the fourth day, and 4 more every day
                  after. That's only a hundred-odd in a month, assuming
                  I've done the math right.

                  But we really don't know what the generational limit
                  is, so it's all speculation.


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                • pmaclanderson
                  ... I will look at the panel again, but I saw no evidence that the constructive Dingbot she happens to pick up is in any way a special, Master, Dingbot. Can
                  Message 8 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
                    --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Brien <merctim@y...> wrote:
                    >

                    >
                    > I think she only made the one original, and the rest
                    > were kicked off by the Master Dingbot.
                    >
                    I will look at the panel again, but I saw no evidence that the
                    constructive Dingbot she happens to pick up is in any way a special,
                    Master, Dingbot. Can you explain?

                    I don't think, from Gil's reaction, that the Dingbots were there the
                    day before; and there are more than Agatha, or Agatha + an MD, can
                    have made it a night.

                    Now if Dingbots are self-replicating, then (even if they must
                    degenerate with time) Agatha has a method of mass-producing Sparky
                    gizmos. Dingbots are small, but suppose the first generation had been
                    the size of Mr. Tock....

                    As soon as Klaus figures this out (if the Dingsbots escape the fire)
                    Agatha will go even higher on his priority list....
                  • Sten
                    ... I m not quite sure how you got that, because I only come up with about 35k even if I let 4th generation dingbots build offspring (only about 10k if they
                    Message 9 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
                      "Tim O'Brien" <merctim@...> writes:

                      > --- Karrion <darthkarrion@...> wrote:

                      >> O.K. Let's assume by the fourth generation they can no longer
                      >> reproduce. Let's also assume it takes two to build a new one in one day and
                      >> there are no 'food' shortage issues. If Agatha built 20 first generation
                      >> dingbots in thirty days there would be over 65,000 of the little buggers
                      >> running around the airship.

                      I'm not quite sure how you got that, because I only come up with about 35k
                      even if I let 4th generation dingbots build offspring (only about 10k if they
                      can't).

                      > I think she only made the one original, and the rest were kicked off by the
                      > Master Dingbot.

                      > If that's so, one dingbot can make one dingbot. So, sticking with the To The
                      > Fourth Generation idea, there's 8 on the fourth day, and 4 more every day
                      > after. That's only a hundred-odd in a month, assuming I've done the math
                      > right.

                      I think that you're thinking that "by the fourth generation" means that each
                      dingbot can only create 4 offspring. Rather, it means that the
                      great-grand-dingchildren of the original dingbot can't create any offspring.
                      So what we have is:

                      Day 1: 1 1stG
                      Day 2: 1 1stG 1 2ndG
                      Day 3: 1 1stG 2 2ndG 1 3rdG
                      Day 4: 1 1stG 3 2ndG 3 3rdG 1 4thG
                      Day 5: 1 1stG 4 2ndG 6 3rdG 4 4thG
                      Day 6: 1 1stG 5 2ndG 10 3rdG 10 4thG
                      Day 7: 1 1stG 6 2ndG 15 3rdG 25 4thG
                      ...
                      Day 30: 1 1stG 29 2ndG 406 3rdG 3654 4thG

                      That's a total of 4090 dingbots.

                      > But we really don't know what the generational limit is, so it's all
                      > speculation.

                      True, but if we stick with one dingbot building one "child" every day, you
                      could have 23751 5th generation dingbots in 30 days, or 118755 6th generation
                      dingbots, or...

                      Sten
                      --
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                    • Damien Sullivan
                      ... Then they d take forever to reproduce, and be easy targets. ... Torn between that and incorporating the self-rep technology into his own clanks, if he
                      Message 10 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
                        On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 10:50:04PM -0000, pmaclanderson wrote:

                        > gizmos. Dingbots are small, but suppose the first generation had been
                        > the size of Mr. Tock....

                        Then they'd take forever to reproduce, and be easy targets.

                        > As soon as Klaus figures this out (if the Dingsbots escape the fire)
                        > Agatha will go even higher on his priority list....

                        Torn between that and incorporating the self-rep technology into his own
                        clanks, if he doesn't have one himself already.

                        -xx- Damien X-)
                      • Damien Sullivan
                        ... We also know Agatha ends up wearing a flying trilobite locket. This could mean (a) she steals the idea of flying castles (b) she marries/allies herself
                        Message 11 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
                          On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 09:57:21PM -0500, Andrew Willett wrote:

                          > Yeah, but we know that Gil ends up hanging out with Agatha
                          > eventually--and my personal suspicion is that Gil is going to be

                          We also know Agatha ends up wearing a flying trilobite locket. This could
                          mean (a) she steals the idea of flying castles (b) she marries/allies herself
                          with Gil who inherits the flying symbology or (c) she allies herself with
                          Klaus.

                          > Getting The Hell Out Of There rather quickly once the dust settles.
                          > Dad's going to be pretty ticked off about the girl and the car and the
                          > explosions and stuff.

                          Car? Do you mean cat? Not clear Klaus will be pissed off about him.
                          Explosions? Othar caused those, not Gil or Agatha, though Klaus might worry
                          about Agatha.

                          > Furthermore, Dad's going to be veeeeery curious about the invisibility(?)
                          > device if he ever finds out about it. If Agatha isn't already at the number
                          > one spot on Klaus's "sparks to be captured" list, that's exactly the sort of
                          > thing that's going to put her there.

                          If he doesn't know what it is, as Gil assumed he did (but wanted to figure it
                          out himself.) And why would it put Agatha on top of the capture list? She
                          activated it. Big deal, it's a Heterodyne device, she's a Heterodyne. And I
                          don't think she took it with her.

                          -xx- Damien X-)
                        • Andrew Willett
                          ... Hmmm. Damfino. Hey, did we ever establish why Gil *isn t* wearing the castle device? He has this weird ][ thing on his locket instead. Has this come up
                          Message 12 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
                            On Jan 12, 2004, at 11:32 PM, Damien Sullivan wrote:

                            >> Yeah, but we know that Gil ends up hanging out with Agatha
                            >> eventually--and my personal suspicion is that Gil is going to be
                            >
                            > We also know Agatha ends up wearing a flying trilobite locket. This
                            > could
                            > mean (a) she steals the idea of flying castles (b) she marries/allies
                            > herself
                            > with Gil who inherits the flying symbology or (c) she allies herself
                            > with
                            > Klaus.

                            Hmmm. Damfino. Hey, did we ever establish why Gil *isn't* wearing the
                            castle device? He has this weird ][ thing on his locket instead. Has
                            this come up already? (I'm looking at the Beetleburg Clank stories at
                            the moment--can't get my hands on the later ones just now.)

                            >> Getting The Hell Out Of There rather quickly once the dust settles.
                            >> Dad's going to be pretty ticked off about the girl and the car and the
                            >> explosions and stuff.
                            >
                            > Car? Do you mean cat? Not clear Klaus will be pissed off about him.
                            > Explosions? Othar caused those, not Gil or Agatha, though Klaus might
                            > worry
                            > about Agatha.

                            Actually, I was referring to the airship mostly. True, Othar was the
                            proximal cause of most of the explosions, but I bet Klaus suspects that
                            Agatha was mixed up in it somewhere, which implicates Gil as well--Gil
                            had, after all, been spending time in the labs with her, and had also
                            proposed marriage. Klaus might well make Castle Wulfenbach kind of an
                            uncomfortable place for Gil to be.

                            >> Furthermore, Dad's going to be veeeeery curious about the
                            >> invisibility(?)
                            >> device if he ever finds out about it. If Agatha isn't already at the
                            >> number
                            >> one spot on Klaus's "sparks to be captured" list, that's exactly the
                            >> sort of
                            >> thing that's going to put her there.
                            >
                            > If he doesn't know what it is, as Gil assumed he did (but wanted to
                            > figure it
                            > out himself.) And why would it put Agatha on top of the capture list?
                            > She
                            > activated it. Big deal, it's a Heterodyne device, she's a Heterodyne.
                            > And I
                            > don't think she took it with her.

                            Call it a hunch. For my part, I had the feeling that it was 'unexplored
                            tech,' and that nobody had gotten it to do anything prior to Agatha's
                            tinkering. YMMV.

                            Andrew
                          • Tim O'Brien
                            ... Master Dingbot, as in the master copy. You know, the original, best, most crisp version of a photocopy? ===== _____ TSOB Timothy Squire O Brien A=x+y+z --
                            Message 13 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
                              --- pmaclanderson <pmanderson@...> wrote:
                              > --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Brien
                              > <merctim@y...> wrote:
                              > >
                              >
                              > >
                              > > I think she only made the one original, and the
                              > rest
                              > > were kicked off by the Master Dingbot.
                              > >
                              > I will look at the panel again, but I saw no
                              > evidence that the
                              > constructive Dingbot she happens to pick up is in
                              > any way a special,
                              > Master, Dingbot. Can you explain?
                              >
                              > I don't think, from Gil's reaction, that the
                              > Dingbots were there the
                              > day before; and there are more than Agatha, or
                              > Agatha + an MD, can
                              > have made it a night.

                              Master Dingbot, as in the master copy. You know, the
                              original, best, most crisp version of a photocopy?



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                            • Karrion
                              Well, we see dozens in Gil s lab after a few days , so either she made more than one first gen or they reproduce very fast. The real danger if if there ISN T
                              Message 14 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
                                Well, we see dozens in Gil's lab after 'a few days', so either she
                                made more than one first gen or they reproduce very fast. The real
                                danger if if there ISN'T a generational limit and they just get more
                                random as they go along. That sort of thing happens with human cells,
                                we call it cancer.



                                Karrion

                                --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Brien <merctim@y...> wrote:

                                > I think she only made the one original, and the rest
                                > were kicked off by the Master Dingbot.
                                >
                                > If that's so, one dingbot can make one dingbot. So,
                                > sticking with the To The Fourth Generation idea,
                                > there's 8 on the fourth day, and 4 more every day
                                > after. That's only a hundred-odd in a month, assuming
                                > I've done the math right.
                                >
                                > But we really don't know what the generational limit
                                > is, so it's all speculation.
                                >
                                >
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                              • Karrion
                                I did it on Excel if you want to see the math. Karrion ... one day and ... generation ... buggers ... about 35k ... 10k if they ... off by the ... the To The
                                Message 15 of 21 , Jan 12, 2004
                                  I did it on Excel if you want to see the math.

                                  Karrion


                                  --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Sten <stend@s...> wrote:
                                  > "Tim O'Brien" <merctim@y...> writes:
                                  >
                                  > > --- Karrion <darthkarrion@e...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > >> O.K. Let's assume by the fourth generation they can no longer
                                  > >> reproduce. Let's also assume it takes two to build a new one in
                                  one day and
                                  > >> there are no 'food' shortage issues. If Agatha built 20 first
                                  generation
                                  > >> dingbots in thirty days there would be over 65,000 of the little
                                  buggers
                                  > >> running around the airship.
                                  >
                                  > I'm not quite sure how you got that, because I only come up with
                                  about 35k
                                  > even if I let 4th generation dingbots build offspring (only about
                                  10k if they
                                  > can't).
                                  >
                                  > > I think she only made the one original, and the rest were kicked
                                  off by the
                                  > > Master Dingbot.
                                  >
                                  > > If that's so, one dingbot can make one dingbot. So, sticking with
                                  the To The
                                  > > Fourth Generation idea, there's 8 on the fourth day, and 4 more
                                  every day
                                  > > after. That's only a hundred-odd in a month, assuming I've done
                                  the math
                                  > > right.
                                  >
                                  > I think that you're thinking that "by the fourth generation" means
                                  that each
                                  > dingbot can only create 4 offspring. Rather, it means that the
                                  > great-grand-dingchildren of the original dingbot can't create any
                                  offspring.
                                  > So what we have is:
                                  >
                                  > Day 1: 1 1stG
                                  > Day 2: 1 1stG 1 2ndG
                                  > Day 3: 1 1stG 2 2ndG 1 3rdG
                                  > Day 4: 1 1stG 3 2ndG 3 3rdG 1 4thG
                                  > Day 5: 1 1stG 4 2ndG 6 3rdG 4 4thG
                                  > Day 6: 1 1stG 5 2ndG 10 3rdG 10 4thG
                                  > Day 7: 1 1stG 6 2ndG 15 3rdG 25 4thG
                                  > ...
                                  > Day 30: 1 1stG 29 2ndG 406 3rdG 3654 4thG
                                  >
                                  > That's a total of 4090 dingbots.
                                  >
                                  > > But we really don't know what the generational limit is, so it's
                                  all
                                  > > speculation.
                                  >
                                  > True, but if we stick with one dingbot building one "child" every
                                  day, you
                                  > could have 23751 5th generation dingbots in 30 days, or 118755 6th
                                  generation
                                  > dingbots, or...
                                  >
                                  > Sten
                                  > --
                                  > De Gubernaculo Venimus et Adservirevos Volumus
                                  > - Proposed motto for the Federal
                                  government
                                • Karrion
                                  Curses, Sten killed my math. Back to work.... (grumble...grumble....bloody sparks....) Karrion
                                  Message 16 of 21 , Jan 13, 2004
                                    Curses, Sten killed my math. Back to work....
                                    (grumble...grumble....bloody sparks....)


                                    Karrion


                                    --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Sten <stend@s...> wrote:

                                    > I'm not quite sure how you got that.......
                                  • egoscribo
                                    ... You ve never seen what one two-year-old with a Phillips-head screwdriver can do. (Doorknobs; switchplates and outlet covers; the refrigerator door s
                                    Message 17 of 21 , Jan 14, 2004
                                      --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, David Goldfarb <goldfarb@o...> wrote:
                                      > From: "Karrion" <darthkarrion@e...>
                                      > --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, David Goldfarb <goldfarb@o...>
                                      > wrote:
                                      > >> They self-replicate, but not perfectly. Each subsequent generation
                                      > >> gets a little bit worse-made than the last. After a while, I'd
                                      > >guess
                                      > >> that they'd lose the self-rep ability entirely. Since the original
                                      > >> ones aren't immortal, likely they'll be only a pest, not a plague.
                                      > >> (And if they *did* become a plague, I'd bet on Klaus and/or Gil
                                      > >> being able to come up with something to counter them.)
                                      > >
                                      > >O.K. Let's assume by the fourth generation they can no longer
                                      > >reproduce. Let's also assume it takes two to build a new one in one
                                      > >day and there are no 'food' shortage issues. If Agatha built 20 first
                                      > >generation dingbots in thirty days there would be over 65,000 of the
                                      > >little buggers running around the airship.
                                      >
                                      > Yes, and? They're pretty small, and the airship is pretty big.
                                      >

                                      You've never seen what one two-year-old with a Phillips-head
                                      screwdriver can do. (Doorknobs; switchplates and outlet covers; the
                                      refrigerator door's hinges...)

                                      A troupe of dingbots searching for parts on a dirigible full of people
                                      will be a disaster.

                                      Keep in mind, even if you assume that the fourth-generation dingbots
                                      can't reproduce, that we do not know the lifespan of first-generation
                                      dingbots; assume they will still be building second-generation
                                      dingbots while the others go on as best they can.
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