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  • cheryl rhoden
    Good morning, I m trying to figure out the location of the Tar River and Grindal s Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can t figure out where they
    Message 1 of 20 , Jul 13, 2009
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      Good morning, I'm trying to figure out the location of the Tar River and Grindal's Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can't figure out where they may intersect. Any clues would be appreciated. And, I'd love to figure out if that location was in Va prior to the 1728 survey that changed the state boundary lines.

      We're still trying to sort out our John and Moses Moores. Thanks, Cheryl Rhoden

      Researching:  Moore/Rhoden/Raulerson/Johns/Music/Dowling/Altman/Davis/Chancy and more.
    • Julian Byrd
      The North Carolina Gazetteer states that Grindle Creek rises in n Pitt County and flows se into the Tar River. Probably names for the fish, amiatus calca,
      Message 2 of 20 , Jul 13, 2009
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        The North Carolina Gazetteer states that "Grindle Creek rises in n Pitt County and flows se into the Tar River. Probably names for the fish, amiatus calca, sometimes known as grindle."

        Hope this helps.

        Julian
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        From: cheryl rhoden
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        Good morning, I'm trying to figure out the location of the Tar River and Grindal's Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can't figure out where they may intersect. Any clues would be appreciated. And, I'd love to figure out if that location was in Va prior to the 1728 survey that changed the state boundary lines.

        We're still trying to sort out our John and Moses Moores. Thanks, Cheryl Rhoden

        Researching: Moore/Rhoden/Raulerson/Johns/Music/Dowling/Altman/Davis/Chancy and more.






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      • Trish Worthington Cobb
        Cheryl, Grindle Creek rises in n.e. Pitt County and flows s.e. into the Tar River on the north side of the river east of Greenville between Simpson and
        Message 3 of 20 , Jul 13, 2009
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          Cheryl,

          Grindle Creek rises in n.e. Pitt County and flows s.e. into the Tar
          River on the north side of the river east of Greenville between
          Simpson and
          Grimesland.

          Sometimes spelled Grindal or Grindool on old maps and deeds.

          Here is a link to a map that shows it very clearly.

          http://www.ncfloodmaps.com/pubdocs/Tar-Pamlico/Pitt_Comm_Rec.pdf

          Pitt County was never part of the Colony of Virginia.
          Pitt County was formed from a part of Beaufort County, NC in 1760.

          Two useful reference books that I would not be without are:

          The North Carolina Gazetteer by William S. Powell

          and

          The Formation of the North Carolina Counties by David Leroy Corbitt.

          Also, if you can find one, DeLorme's North Carolina Gazetteer has very
          detailed maps with the waterways and poquosins on them.


          Trish Worthington Cobb



          On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:44 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:
          >
          > Good morning, I'm trying to figure out the location of the Tar River
          > and Grindal's Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can't
          > figure out where they may intersect. Any clues would be appreciated.
          > And, I'd love to figure out if that location was in Va prior to the
          > 1728 survey that changed the state boundary lines.
          >
          > We're still trying to sort out our John and Moses Moores. Thanks,
          > Cheryl Rhoden
          >
          > Researching: Moore/Rhoden/Raulerson/Johns/Music/Dowling/Altman/
          > Davis/Chancy and more.
          >



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        • cheryl rhoden
          Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference today called:  Sketches of Pitt County by Henry T. King. It has a good number of old maps
          Message 4 of 20 , Jul 13, 2009
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            Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference today called:  "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a good number of old maps (maps you can actually read)  and wonderful info about early Pitt Co.

            Trish:  Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may have been in early Albemarle County???  And Pitt was formed mostly from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great Dismal Swamp." )  Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl rhoden o7o




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            From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@...>
            To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:43:12 AM
            Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek





            Cheryl,

            Grindle Creek rises in n.e. Pitt County and flows s.e. into the Tar
            River on the north side of the river east of Greenville between
            Simpson and
            Grimesland.

            Sometimes spelled Grindal or Grindool on old maps and deeds.

            Here is a link to a map that shows it very clearly.

            http://www.ncfloodmaps.com/pubdocs/Tar-Pamlico/Pitt_Comm_Rec.pdf

            Pitt County was never part of the Colony of Virginia.
            Pitt County was formed from a part of Beaufort County, NC in 1760.

            Two useful reference books that I would not be without are:

            The North Carolina Gazetteer by William S. Powell

            and

            The Formation of the North Carolina Counties by David Leroy Corbitt.

            Also, if you can find one, DeLorme's North Carolina Gazetteer has very
            detailed maps with the waterways and poquosins on them.

            Trish Worthington Cobb

            On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:44 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:
            >
            > Good morning, I'm trying to figure out the location of the Tar River
            > and Grindal's Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can't
            > figure out where they may intersect. Any clues would be appreciated.
            > And, I'd love to figure out if that location was in Va prior to the
            > 1728 survey that changed the state boundary lines.
            >
            > We're still trying to sort out our John and Moses Moores. Thanks,
            > Cheryl Rhoden
            >
            > Researching: Moore/Rhoden/ Raulerson/ Johns/Music/ Dowling/Altman/
            > Davis/Chancy and more.
            >

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          • jonefa
            You can do a search and find the lattitude and longitude of the earliest boundaries of the land granted to the early proprietors of the colonial lands. I have
            Message 5 of 20 , Jul 13, 2009
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              You can do a search and find the lattitude and longitude of the earliest boundaries of the land granted to the early proprietors of the colonial lands. I have seen it, probably have it tucked away somewhere, but you can find it by googling it.
              I was surpised by how far down the line came into North Carolina and present day cities. Been quite a while since I looked at it so won't make comments on it.
              Faye Hays
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              From: cheryl rhoden
              To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:43 PM
              Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek





              Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful info about early Pitt Co.

              Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl rhoden o7o

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              From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@...>
              To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:43:12 AM
              Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

              Cheryl,

              Grindle Creek rises in n.e. Pitt County and flows s.e. into the Tar
              River on the north side of the river east of Greenville between
              Simpson and
              Grimesland.

              Sometimes spelled Grindal or Grindool on old maps and deeds.

              Here is a link to a map that shows it very clearly.

              http://www.ncfloodmaps.com/pubdocs/Tar-Pamlico/Pitt_Comm_Rec.pdf

              Pitt County was never part of the Colony of Virginia.
              Pitt County was formed from a part of Beaufort County, NC in 1760.

              Two useful reference books that I would not be without are:

              The North Carolina Gazetteer by William S. Powell

              and

              The Formation of the North Carolina Counties by David Leroy Corbitt.

              Also, if you can find one, DeLorme's North Carolina Gazetteer has very
              detailed maps with the waterways and poquosins on them.

              Trish Worthington Cobb

              On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:44 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:
              >
              > Good morning, I'm trying to figure out the location of the Tar River
              > and Grindal's Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can't
              > figure out where they may intersect. Any clues would be appreciated.
              > And, I'd love to figure out if that location was in Va prior to the
              > 1728 survey that changed the state boundary lines.
              >
              > We're still trying to sort out our John and Moses Moores. Thanks,
              > Cheryl Rhoden
              >
              > Researching: Moore/Rhoden/ Raulerson/ Johns/Music/ Dowling/Altman/
              > Davis/Chancy and more.
              >

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            • cheryl rhoden
              Faye, When you say you were surprised at how far down the line came into NC... did you mean the boundary change between Va and Nc?  Thanks for the tip on
              Message 6 of 20 , Jul 13, 2009
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                Faye, When you say you were "surprised at how far down the line came into NC..." did you mean the boundary change between Va and Nc?  Thanks for the tip on latitude and longitude. From what I read the1728 survey was along the VA/NC border and 15 miles due north and south became NC. We're trying to get a handle on that so we know whether we need to start to also look back into VA records.

                I appreciate all the comments from everyone. best, cheryl rhoden o7o




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                From: jonefa <jonefa@...>
                To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:14:23 PM
                Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek





                You can do a search and find the lattitude and longitude of the earliest boundaries of the land granted to the early proprietors of the colonial lands. I have seen it, probably have it tucked away somewhere, but you can find it by googling it.
                I was surpised by how far down the line came into North Carolina and present day cities. Been quite a while since I looked at it so won't make comments on it.
                Faye Hays
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: cheryl rhoden
                To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:43 PM
                Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful info about early Pitt Co.

                Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl rhoden o7o

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                From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@ mac.com>
                To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:43:12 AM
                Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                Cheryl,

                Grindle Creek rises in n.e. Pitt County and flows s.e. into the Tar
                River on the north side of the river east of Greenville between
                Simpson and
                Grimesland.

                Sometimes spelled Grindal or Grindool on old maps and deeds.

                Here is a link to a map that shows it very clearly.

                http://www.ncfloodmaps.com/pubdocs/Tar-Pamlico/Pitt_Comm_Rec.pdf

                Pitt County was never part of the Colony of Virginia.
                Pitt County was formed from a part of Beaufort County, NC in 1760.

                Two useful reference books that I would not be without are:

                The North Carolina Gazetteer by William S. Powell

                and

                The Formation of the North Carolina Counties by David Leroy Corbitt.

                Also, if you can find one, DeLorme's North Carolina Gazetteer has very
                detailed maps with the waterways and poquosins on them.

                Trish Worthington Cobb

                On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:44 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:
                >
                > Good morning, I'm trying to figure out the location of the Tar River
                > and Grindal's Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can't
                > figure out where they may intersect. Any clues would be appreciated.
                > And, I'd love to figure out if that location was in Va prior to the
                > 1728 survey that changed the state boundary lines.
                >
                > We're still trying to sort out our John and Moses Moores. Thanks,
                > Cheryl Rhoden
                >
                > Researching: Moore/Rhoden/ Raulerson/ Johns/Music/ Dowling/Altman/
                > Davis/Chancy and more.
                >

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              • Trish Worthington Cobb
                Cheryl, See if you can get a copy of The Formation of the North Carolina Counties by David Leroy Corbitt. It explains the formation of each county and which
                Message 7 of 20 , Jul 13, 2009
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                  Cheryl,
                  See if you can get a copy of The Formation of the North Carolina
                  Counties by David Leroy Corbitt. It explains the formation of each
                  county and which county was divided to make the new county. Your
                  local library should have it, or can get it for you through inter-
                  library loan, or you can order it on-line from Barnes & Noble or from
                  Amazon.com.
                  It explains it much better than I can.
                  Trish


                  On Jul 13, 2009, at 4:43 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:
                  >
                  > Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference
                  > today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a
                  > good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful
                  > info about early Pitt Co.
                  >
                  > Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA
                  > before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and
                  > followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't
                  > have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing
                  > overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may
                  > have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly
                  > from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great
                  > Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl
                  > rhoden o7o
                  >



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                • cheryl rhoden
                  Thanks Trish, Our local library is still under construction (we will be thrilled when it is built) ,, this is a very rural area here in So Cal. So, they
                  Message 8 of 20 , Jul 13, 2009
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                    Thanks Trish, Our local library is still under construction (we will be thrilled when it is built) ,, this is a very rural area here in So Cal. So, they aren't quite ready for my inquiry.

                    I have found 'county reformation' maps for NC  ,, but I really need to get specific. I and my cousins are 'dogs on the hunt' now and we are determined to figure this out. Determined ,, as in really determined. Thanks for the tips. all best, cheryl rhoden o7o




                    ________________________________
                    From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@...>
                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:40:48 PM
                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek





                    Cheryl,
                    See if you can get a copy of The Formation of the North Carolina
                    Counties by David Leroy Corbitt. It explains the formation of each
                    county and which county was divided to make the new county. Your
                    local library should have it, or can get it for you through inter-
                    library loan, or you can order it on-line from Barnes & Noble or from
                    Amazon.com.
                    It explains it much better than I can.
                    Trish

                    On Jul 13, 2009, at 4:43 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:
                    >
                    > Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference
                    > today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a
                    > good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful
                    > info about early Pitt Co.
                    >
                    > Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA
                    > before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and
                    > followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't
                    > have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing
                    > overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may
                    > have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly
                    > from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great
                    > Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl
                    > rhoden o7o
                    >

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                  • Jim M.
                    A place I d like to locate once in old, now defunct Dobbs Co., and possibly today in Pitt; is the site of the c1770 s Bear Garden plantation of Capt. John
                    Message 9 of 20 , Jul 13, 2009
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                      A place I'd like to locate once in old, now defunct Dobbs Co., and possibly today in Pitt; is the site of the c1770's "Bear Garden" plantation of Capt. John Murphy, Sr. I descend his son Capt. Wm. Murphey, brother of Capt. Michael Murphey, Capt. Jethro Murphey, and Wilhelmenia "Billie" Murphey. Capt. William Murphey had my Wm. Spencer Murphey and Wm. Blount Murphey (doubt they had Blount blood?)(Spencer witnessed the will of John Gray Blount). Spencer's land adjoined Blount Hall on Contentnea (spelling?) Creek. An old letter shows a dinner seating arrangement at Blount Hall and a comment, "the Blounts were arguing again". Spencer's place became the Shadrack "Shade" and Mary Elizabeth "Eliza" Murphey Wooten farm at Johnson's Mills between St. John's Epis. Church and the Craven Co., line. Shade's grandfather was Shadrack Johnson). A millstone is at the bottom of the outside stairway to the kitchen house behind the Shade Wooten home. Jim Wooten of Tucson, former head of FBI Cold War counter intelligence, was the last Wooten born in the home. When I visited it decades ago, farmer Taylor lived there. He was kin to (Julia?) Taylor, Rev. Edw. Wooten's (Sgt. & Lt. CSA) first wife. I descend his second wife, Mrs. Eliza Yonge Jewett Wootten of Wilmington. Their daughter who died circa an older teenager, Miss. Mary Murphey (with an 'e' on the tombstone) Wootten, is buried Oakdale Cemetery, Wilmington, with Rev. and Mrs. Wootten (he added an extra 't'). One night at dinner at the old 11 S. Third St., Hill-Wright-Wootten home adjoing St. James Epis., Wilmington, Mary said she felt ill and was going up-stairs to die. Every body said to not talk such; she was found dead the next morning in her fourth floor bedroom. The fouth floor was no longer used in my many summer nights on the third floor; alone at night I was spooked there enough; the St. James Cemetery behind us. My late great aunt, Mrs. Amoret Cameron Wootten Davis who died age 96, as a child played in the cemetery and crawled between the crumbling bricks holding up a long old slab tombstone. She was playing with the bones; the sexton or some such, caught her. The next Sunday, the preacher high in the pulpit (the Wootten, Jewett, Bradley bench was the third one back if memory serves; from the days of family owned pews; locals did not occupy other's pews, but if an away person was there; one said nothing and sat in the back) condemed little children playing colonist's bones--a no-no. I think the house was rebuilt in 1802 after the city fire of 1799? Amoret had a big 1775 British penny she'd found in the sand in the backyard. All five Wootten kids had house chores based on age. Older Bradley Jewett Wootten's was to gather all the kerosine lights in the morning to the shet behind the kitchen building, and refill them. Mother's (Leila James Wootten Miller) was to wash the lamp's glass chimneys, and re-attach them so Bradley could redistribute them. Little Ned Wootten's (later Col. USAF, Cold War asst. air attche to ol'Mockba, and air attache to Poland) task was to wind all the clocks on all the floors. What Little Mary Malone Wootten did, and her older sister Eliza Yonge Wootten (Lt. nurse U.S. Army, WWII) did, I don't know. A doctor rented the half front floor, back basement for an office. One day going down the slopeing driveway, in a trashcan, I espied a white leg cast, but thought that it was a human leg (not bright kid); and went screaming back inside to mother; "There's a human leg in the trasdh can". Another Wootten girl, very young, died in the mountains from eating a wild berry that was poisonous. I imagine this was At Saluda, N.C., where mother was born 1914, the last year the family had the cottage time from when in the hot summers, men stayed in Wilmington, but families took the train to the high mountain cool air. Before trains, they could only go by steamboat to say Seven Springs, or Hillsborough. To walk amongst the Epis. church graves at Hillsborough uis to see again the names of colonial Wilmington families who's people died there in the hat summer. Jim Miller, Southport, N.C., where great, great grandfather, Stephen Jewett, IV, from 1838 Maine, came down to then Smithville (Southport) to be it's postmaster and wed second Lucy Anna Bradley, the daughter of Richard Bradley, Jr., who signed the Bank of Cape fear money. Jewett would sign Bank of Wilmington money. He is buried at the chapel at "Airlie Gardens"; once the sight of the Bradley family summer home on Bradley's Creek.

                      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                      From: rhodenccc@...
                      Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:00:42 -0700
                      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek


























                      Thanks Trish, Our local library is still under construction (we will be thrilled when it is built) ,, this is a very rural area here in So Cal. So, they aren't quite ready for my inquiry.



                      I have found 'county reformation' maps for NC ,, but I really need to get specific. I and my cousins are 'dogs on the hunt' now and we are determined to figure this out. Determined ,, as in really determined. Thanks for the tips. all best, cheryl rhoden o7o



                      ________________________________

                      From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@...>

                      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com

                      Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:40:48 PM

                      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek



                      Cheryl,

                      See if you can get a copy of The Formation of the North Carolina

                      Counties by David Leroy Corbitt. It explains the formation of each

                      county and which county was divided to make the new county. Your

                      local library should have it, or can get it for you through inter-

                      library loan, or you can order it on-line from Barnes & Noble or from

                      Amazon.com.

                      It explains it much better than I can.

                      Trish



                      On Jul 13, 2009, at 4:43 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:

                      >

                      > Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference

                      > today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a

                      > good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful

                      > info about early Pitt Co.

                      >

                      > Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA

                      > before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and

                      > followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't

                      > have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing

                      > overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may

                      > have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly

                      > from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great

                      > Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl

                      > rhoden o7o

                      >



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                    • amaryllish@aol.com
                      I love all this wonderful history. Please tell me your name. My Murphey family is Jack Murphey, married Winifred Unknown and lived in Greene County, NC. Their
                      Message 10 of 20 , Jul 14, 2009
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                        I love all this wonderful history. Please tell me your name. My Murphey
                        family is Jack Murphey, married Winifred Unknown and lived in Greene County,
                        NC. Their daughter Nancy Mary Murphey married my great grandfather Jacob
                        Wainwright. Their son James Murphey married Jacob's sister Catherine
                        Wainwright. No one knows anything about this Murphey family and I have not been able
                        to trace them back anywhere. They were there the same time and same area
                        that Thomas Murphey & family was (1810-1880), but everyone around here says
                        they are not related. I don't know.... I've mostly been working on my
                        Wainwright's and Turner's as well as Hunt's and Sizemore's (My husbands
                        families). Again, Just wanted to say thank you for your excellenct information.
                        Amy W. Hunt Ancestor Seekers of Farmville &
                        Greene County Researchers, Inc.
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                      • cheryl rhoden
                        Jim,  I think I ve read this three times now ,, I just enjoyed reading it. You do make those old times come alive.  The book I mentioned yesterday did have
                        Message 11 of 20 , Jul 14, 2009
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                          Jim,

                           I think I've read this three times now ,, I just enjoyed reading it. You do make those old times come alive.  The book I mentioned yesterday did have the formation map for Pitt that showed both Dobbs Co to the SSW and Craven to the SSE adjacent to Pitt, and Dobbs.   Pitt was formed in 1760, but I did read that it all didn't take effect for a few years. Some of the old maps I have found (half or more of which I cannot read even with my great-grandmother's magnifying glass) do list the properties and landholders of same on them. Seems like most of them settled along rivers and creeks ,, likely for access by boat and ships.

                          I am still sorting out in my brain the various reformations of "precincts" into 'counties' so we can target our own research.

                          And, the Blount family was not too far away ,, so I'd keep checking on them as well. The naming tradition that another researcher on this site posted not to long ago mentioned that middle names were either family names or close friends. I think that was a great tip. If I run across your Murphy family in our reseach I will let you know.

                          I live in So Cal and I laugh because I think before this research is done I will know historical NC better than I know California.

                          great good luck to you in your research ,, cheryl rhoden o7o



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                          From: Jim M. <focusoninfinity@...>
                          To: "genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com" <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:37:57 PM
                          Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek


                          A place I'd like to locate once in old, now defunct Dobbs Co., and possibly today in Pitt; is the site of the c1770's "Bear Garden" plantation of Capt. John Murphy, Sr. I descend his son Capt. Wm. Murphey, brother of Capt. Michael Murphey, Capt. Jethro Murphey, and Wilhelmenia "Billie" Murphey. Capt. William Murphey  had my Wm. Spencer Murphey and Wm. Blount Murphey (doubt they had Blount blood?)(Spencer witnessed the will of John Gray Blount). Spencer's land adjoined Blount Hall on Contentnea (spelling?) Creek. An old letter shows a dinner seating arrangement at Blount Hall and a comment, "the Blounts were arguing again". Spencer's place became the Shadrack "Shade" and Mary Elizabeth "Eliza" Murphey Wooten farm at Johnson's Mills between St. John's Epis. Church and the Craven Co., line. Shade's grandfather was Shadrack Johnson). A millstone is at the bottom of the outside stairway to the kitchen house behind the Shade Wooten home. Jim Wooten of Tucson,
                          former head of FBI Cold War counter intelligence, was the last Wooten born in the home. When I visited it decades ago, farmer Taylor lived there. He was kin to (Julia?) Taylor, Rev. Edw. Wooten's (Sgt. & Lt. CSA) first wife. I descend his second wife, Mrs. Eliza Yonge Jewett Wootten of Wilmington. Their daughter who died circa an older teenager, Miss. Mary Murphey (with an 'e' on the tombstone) Wootten, is buried Oakdale Cemetery, Wilmington, with Rev. and Mrs. Wootten (he added an extra 't'). One night at dinner at the old 11 S. Third St., Hill-Wright-Wootten home adjoing St. James Epis., Wilmington, Mary said she felt ill and was going up-stairs to die. Every body said to not talk such; she was found dead the next morning in her fourth floor bedroom. The fouth floor was no longer used in my many summer nights on the third floor; alone at night I was spooked there enough; the St. James Cemetery behind us. My late great aunt, Mrs. Amoret Cameron Wootten
                          Davis who died age 96, as a child played in the cemetery and crawled between the crumbling bricks holding up a long old slab tombstone. She was playing with the bones; the sexton or some such, caught her. The next Sunday, the preacher high in the pulpit (the Wootten, Jewett, Bradley bench was the third one back if memory serves; from the days of family owned pews; locals did not occupy other's pews, but if an away person was there; one said nothing and sat in the back) condemed little children playing colonist's bones--a no-no. I think the house was rebuilt in 1802 after the city fire of 1799? Amoret had a big 1775 British penny she'd found in the sand in the backyard. All five Wootten kids had house chores based on age. Older Bradley Jewett Wootten's was to gather all the kerosine lights in the morning to the shet behind the kitchen building, and refill them. Mother's (Leila James Wootten Miller) was to wash the lamp's glass chimneys, and re-attach
                          them so Bradley could redistribute them. Little Ned Wootten's (later Col. USAF, Cold War asst. air attche to ol'Mockba, and air attache to Poland) task was to wind all the clocks on all the floors. What Little Mary Malone Wootten did, and her older sister Eliza Yonge Wootten (Lt. nurse U.S. Army, WWII) did, I don't know. A doctor rented the half front floor, back basement for an office. One day going down the slopeing driveway, in a trashcan, I espied a white leg cast, but thought that it was a human leg (not bright kid); and went screaming back inside to mother; "There's a human leg in the trasdh can". Another Wootten girl, very young, died in the mountains from eating a wild berry that was poisonous. I imagine this was At Saluda, N.C., where mother was born 1914, the last year the family had the cottage time from when in the hot summers, men stayed in Wilmington, but families took the train to the high mountain cool air. Before trains, they could only
                          go by steamboat to say Seven Springs, or Hillsborough. To walk amongst the Epis. church graves at Hillsborough uis to see again the names of colonial Wilmington families who's people died there in the hat summer. Jim Miller, Southport, N.C., where great, great grandfather, Stephen Jewett, IV, from 1838 Maine, came down to then Smithville (Southport) to be it's postmaster and wed second Lucy Anna Bradley, the daughter of Richard Bradley, Jr., who signed the Bank of Cape fear money. Jewett would sign Bank of Wilmington money. He is buried at the chapel at "Airlie Gardens"; once the sight of the Bradley family summer home on Bradley's Creek.

                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                          From: rhodenccc@...
                          Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:00:42 -0700
                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek




















                             
                                     
                                     


                               
                                Thanks Trish, Our local library is still under construction (we will be thrilled when it is built) ,, this is a very rural area here in So Cal. So, they aren't quite ready for my inquiry.



                          I have found 'county reformation' maps for NC  ,, but I really need to get specific. I and my cousins are 'dogs on the hunt' now and we are determined to figure this out. Determined ,, as in really determined. Thanks for the tips. all best, cheryl rhoden o7o



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                          From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@...>

                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com

                          Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:40:48 PM

                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek



                          Cheryl,

                          See if you can get a copy of The Formation of the North Carolina

                          Counties by David Leroy Corbitt. It explains the formation of each

                          county and which county was divided to make the new county. Your

                          local library should have it, or can get it for you through inter-

                          library loan, or you can order it on-line from Barnes & Noble or from

                          Amazon.com.

                          It explains it much better than I can.

                          Trish



                          On Jul 13, 2009, at 4:43 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:

                          >

                          > Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference

                          > today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a

                          > good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful

                          > info about early Pitt Co.

                          >

                          > Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA

                          > before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and

                          > followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't

                          > have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing

                          > overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may

                          > have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly

                          > from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great

                          > Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl

                          > rhoden o7o

                          >



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                        • Paula Baker
                          Mary A. Cobb was the daughter of William Cobb and Gatsy ____________.  I think Mary A. Cobb who was born Apr 26, 1865 and died Oct 6, 1948 and was married
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                            Mary A. Cobb was the daughter of William Cobb and Gatsy ____________.  I think Mary A. Cobb who was born Apr 26, 1865 and died Oct 6, 1948 and was married to John Hobbs, may have been married to the John Evans/Ivins Hobbs who could be a cousin to my Bakers in Greene.  On her death certificate, Greene Co is listed as Mary A. Cobb Hobbs' birth county and she also died in Greene Co.  I am looking for them in the census.  Mary A. was buried in the Brann Cemetery.  Is John Hobbs buried there also? 
                             Paula Baker
                            Researching Cole, Wilkerson, Norman, and White in Georgia, South Carolina, and Louisiana and
                            Baker, Tyson, Manning, and Stocks in North Carolina


                            "We are not free, separate, and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way."


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                             Paula Baker
                            Researching Cole, Wilkerson, Norman, and White in Georgia, South Carolina, and Louisiana and
                            Baker, Tyson, Manning, and Stocks in North Carolina


                            "We are not free, separate, and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way."


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                          • DAVID SMITH
                            grindle creek pours into the tar river near pactolus/yankee hall.  ... From: cheryl rhoden Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and
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                              grindle creek pours into the tar river near pactolus/yankee hall. 

                              --- On Mon, 7/13/09, cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@...> wrote:


                              From: cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@...>
                              Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek
                              To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:34 PM








                              Faye, When you say you were "surprised at how far down the line came into NC..." did you mean the boundary change between Va and Nc?  Thanks for the tip on latitude and longitude. From what I read the1728 survey was along the VA/NC border and 15 miles due north and south became NC. We're trying to get a handle on that so we know whether we need to start to also look back into VA records.

                              I appreciate all the comments from everyone. best, cheryl rhoden o7o

                              ____________ _________ _________ __
                              From: jonefa <jonefa@embarqmail. com>
                              To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                              Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:14:23 PM
                              Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                              You can do a search and find the lattitude and longitude of the earliest boundaries of the land granted to the early proprietors of the colonial lands. I have seen it, probably have it tucked away somewhere, but you can find it by googling it.
                              I was surpised by how far down the line came into North Carolina and present day cities. Been quite a while since I looked at it so won't make comments on it.
                              Faye Hays
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: cheryl rhoden
                              To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                              Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:43 PM
                              Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                              Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful info about early Pitt Co.

                              Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl rhoden o7o

                              ____________ _________ _________ __
                              From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@ mac.com>
                              To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                              Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:43:12 AM
                              Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                              Cheryl,

                              Grindle Creek rises in n.e. Pitt County and flows s.e. into the Tar
                              River on the north side of the river east of Greenville between
                              Simpson and
                              Grimesland.

                              Sometimes spelled Grindal or Grindool on old maps and deeds.

                              Here is a link to a map that shows it very clearly.

                              http://www.ncfloodm aps.com/pubdocs/ Tar-Pamlico/ Pitt_Comm_ Rec.pdf

                              Pitt County was never part of the Colony of Virginia.
                              Pitt County was formed from a part of Beaufort County, NC in 1760.

                              Two useful reference books that I would not be without are:

                              The North Carolina Gazetteer by William S. Powell

                              and

                              The Formation of the North Carolina Counties by David Leroy Corbitt.

                              Also, if you can find one, DeLorme's North Carolina Gazetteer has very
                              detailed maps with the waterways and poquosins on them.

                              Trish Worthington Cobb

                              On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:44 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:
                              >
                              > Good morning, I'm trying to figure out the location of the Tar River
                              > and Grindal's Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can't
                              > figure out where they may intersect. Any clues would be appreciated.
                              > And, I'd love to figure out if that location was in Va prior to the
                              > 1728 survey that changed the state boundary lines.
                              >
                              > We're still trying to sort out our John and Moses Moores. Thanks,
                              > Cheryl Rhoden
                              >
                              > Researching: Moore/Rhoden/ Raulerson/ Johns/Music/ Dowling/Altman/
                              > Davis/Chancy and more.
                              >

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                            • cheryl rhoden
                              David, thanks ,,, please keep in mind that I am in Southern California ,,, although before this search is over I am positive I will know the creeks and rivers
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                                David, thanks ,,, please keep in mind that I am in Southern California ,,, although before this search is over I am positive I will know the creeks and rivers of NC better than I do those in Ca. Where would I find 'pactolus/yankee hall' ?? This is fun. It is also annoying ,, but in a fun way. Trust you fellow researchers know what I mean. all best,, cheryl o7o




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                                From: DAVID SMITH <carolinaguyesq@...>
                                To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:27:30 PM
                                Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek





                                grindle creek pours into the tar river near pactolus/yankee hall. 

                                --- On Mon, 7/13/09, cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                From: cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@yahoo. com>
                                Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek
                                To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:34 PM

                                Faye, When you say you were "surprised at how far down the line came into NC..." did you mean the boundary change between Va and Nc?  Thanks for the tip on latitude and longitude. From what I read the1728 survey was along the VA/NC border and 15 miles due north and south became NC. We're trying to get a handle on that so we know whether we need to start to also look back into VA records.

                                I appreciate all the comments from everyone. best, cheryl rhoden o7o

                                ____________ _________ _________ __
                                From: jonefa <jonefa@embarqmail. com>
                                To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:14:23 PM
                                Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                You can do a search and find the lattitude and longitude of the earliest boundaries of the land granted to the early proprietors of the colonial lands. I have seen it, probably have it tucked away somewhere, but you can find it by googling it.
                                I was surpised by how far down the line came into North Carolina and present day cities. Been quite a while since I looked at it so won't make comments on it.
                                Faye Hays
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: cheryl rhoden
                                To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:43 PM
                                Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful info about early Pitt Co.

                                Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl rhoden o7o

                                ____________ _________ _________ __
                                From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@ mac.com>
                                To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:43:12 AM
                                Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                Cheryl,

                                Grindle Creek rises in n.e. Pitt County and flows s.e. into the Tar
                                River on the north side of the river east of Greenville between
                                Simpson and
                                Grimesland.

                                Sometimes spelled Grindal or Grindool on old maps and deeds.

                                Here is a link to a map that shows it very clearly.

                                http://www.ncfloodm aps.com/pubdocs/ Tar-Pamlico/ Pitt_Comm_ Rec.pdf

                                Pitt County was never part of the Colony of Virginia.
                                Pitt County was formed from a part of Beaufort County, NC in 1760.

                                Two useful reference books that I would not be without are:

                                The North Carolina Gazetteer by William S. Powell

                                and

                                The Formation of the North Carolina Counties by David Leroy Corbitt.

                                Also, if you can find one, DeLorme's North Carolina Gazetteer has very
                                detailed maps with the waterways and poquosins on them.

                                Trish Worthington Cobb

                                On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:44 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:
                                >
                                > Good morning, I'm trying to figure out the location of the Tar River
                                > and Grindal's Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can't
                                > figure out where they may intersect. Any clues would be appreciated.
                                > And, I'd love to figure out if that location was in Va prior to the
                                > 1728 survey that changed the state boundary lines.
                                >
                                > We're still trying to sort out our John and Moses Moores. Thanks,
                                > Cheryl Rhoden
                                >
                                > Researching: Moore/Rhoden/ Raulerson/ Johns/Music/ Dowling/Altman/
                                > Davis/Chancy and more.
                                >

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                              • Jim M.
                                Rigney Murphy and Guilford Murphy seem to be somehow related. I think the Blounts were just friends. Someone has circa 1750 s to 1790 s Murphey family letters.
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                                  Rigney Murphy and Guilford Murphy seem to be somehow related. I think the Blounts were just friends. Someone has circa 1750's to 1790's Murphey family letters. I remember one mentioned Pitt Co. horse races with Blackledge, I think his name was? I know my ancestors would roll over in their graves (I was so tickled when I learned some distant, distant relative descendant, via (forget the term), had converted my very aristocratic Episcopal (post slave holder), ex-Quaker (pre-slaveholder), Capt. Richard Bradley, Sr., in to a Mormon; if we looked into his grave: bet he'd rolled over ten times? ) if they heard me even hint at the possibility. I think my Shadrack Johnson was in Pitt Co. the 1750's from S.E. Va. I don't know who his parents were and guess he may have been born c1710 to 1730's? When was Jamestown founded, about 1610? About twenty years or so after the whites arrived, I think the blacks arrived not as "slaves" per se, but technically as indentured servants. Alledgedly, one of the first had his several years only indenture purchased by a white Mr. Johnson who's name the black took, and repaid it off early, and wed a daughter of the white Johnson. Before the black's death, slavery as such had evolved, and the black Johnson died a slave owner. Likely these "black" (to me neither "black" nor "White", but rather "duel-heritage") Johnson preferred to marry "up" (ie free whites) rather than "down" (black slaves) and in four or five generations were "white"; which is about the time Shadrack Johnson, perhaps with no connection, arrives on-scene. Alternatively Shadracks descent from one of the white brothers of the white wife of black Mr. Johnson, is statistically, more likely. I've had that DNA genealogy done. It did catch my 1600/1700's French Pyrenees Mountains blood, but black blood was not mentioned. Question: if I had a black forebear at Jamestown, maybe 13 to 15 generations back, and he was my only black ancestor until then, would the DNA genealogy test catch that? However my DNA genealogy cookie crumbles, I didn't pick my ancestors.

                                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                  From: rhodenccc@...
                                  Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:37:46 -0700
                                  Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek




























                                  Jim,



                                  I think I've read this three times now ,, I just enjoyed reading it. You do make those old times come alive. The book I mentioned yesterday did have the formation map for Pitt that showed both Dobbs Co to the SSW and Craven to the SSE adjacent to Pitt, and Dobbs. Pitt was formed in 1760, but I did read that it all didn't take effect for a few years. Some of the old maps I have found (half or more of which I cannot read even with my great-grandmother's magnifying glass) do list the properties and landholders of same on them. Seems like most of them settled along rivers and creeks ,, likely for access by boat and ships.



                                  I am still sorting out in my brain the various reformations of "precincts" into 'counties' so we can target our own research.



                                  And, the Blount family was not too far away ,, so I'd keep checking on them as well. The naming tradition that another researcher on this site posted not to long ago mentioned that middle names were either family names or close friends. I think that was a great tip. If I run across your Murphy family in our reseach I will let you know.



                                  I live in So Cal and I laugh because I think before this research is done I will know historical NC better than I know California.



                                  great good luck to you in your research ,, cheryl rhoden o7o



                                  ----- Original Message ----

                                  From: Jim M. <focusoninfinity@...>

                                  To: "genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com" <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>

                                  Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:37:57 PM

                                  Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek



                                  A place I'd like to locate once in old, now defunct Dobbs Co., and possibly today in Pitt; is the site of the c1770's "Bear Garden" plantation of Capt. John Murphy, Sr. I descend his son Capt. Wm. Murphey, brother of Capt. Michael Murphey, Capt. Jethro Murphey, and Wilhelmenia "Billie" Murphey. Capt. William Murphey had my Wm. Spencer Murphey and Wm. Blount Murphey (doubt they had Blount blood?)(Spencer witnessed the will of John Gray Blount). Spencer's land adjoined Blount Hall on Contentnea (spelling?) Creek. An old letter shows a dinner seating arrangement at Blount Hall and a comment, "the Blounts were arguing again". Spencer's place became the Shadrack "Shade" and Mary Elizabeth "Eliza" Murphey Wooten farm at Johnson's Mills between St. John's Epis. Church and the Craven Co., line. Shade's grandfather was Shadrack Johnson). A millstone is at the bottom of the outside stairway to the kitchen house behind the Shade Wooten home. Jim Wooten of Tucson,

                                  former head of FBI Cold War counter intelligence, was the last Wooten born in the home. When I visited it decades ago, farmer Taylor lived there. He was kin to (Julia?) Taylor, Rev. Edw. Wooten's (Sgt. & Lt. CSA) first wife. I descend his second wife, Mrs. Eliza Yonge Jewett Wootten of Wilmington. Their daughter who died circa an older teenager, Miss. Mary Murphey (with an 'e' on the tombstone) Wootten, is buried Oakdale Cemetery, Wilmington, with Rev. and Mrs. Wootten (he added an extra 't'). One night at dinner at the old 11 S. Third St., Hill-Wright-Wootten home adjoing St. James Epis., Wilmington, Mary said she felt ill and was going up-stairs to die. Every body said to not talk such; she was found dead the next morning in her fourth floor bedroom. The fouth floor was no longer used in my many summer nights on the third floor; alone at night I was spooked there enough; the St. James Cemetery behind us. My late great aunt, Mrs. Amoret Cameron Wootten

                                  Davis who died age 96, as a child played in the cemetery and crawled between the crumbling bricks holding up a long old slab tombstone. She was playing with the bones; the sexton or some such, caught her. The next Sunday, the preacher high in the pulpit (the Wootten, Jewett, Bradley bench was the third one back if memory serves; from the days of family owned pews; locals did not occupy other's pews, but if an away person was there; one said nothing and sat in the back) condemed little children playing colonist's bones--a no-no. I think the house was rebuilt in 1802 after the city fire of 1799? Amoret had a big 1775 British penny she'd found in the sand in the backyard. All five Wootten kids had house chores based on age. Older Bradley Jewett Wootten's was to gather all the kerosine lights in the morning to the shet behind the kitchen building, and refill them. Mother's (Leila James Wootten Miller) was to wash the lamp's glass chimneys, and re-attach

                                  them so Bradley could redistribute them. Little Ned Wootten's (later Col. USAF, Cold War asst. air attche to ol'Mockba, and air attache to Poland) task was to wind all the clocks on all the floors. What Little Mary Malone Wootten did, and her older sister Eliza Yonge Wootten (Lt. nurse U.S. Army, WWII) did, I don't know. A doctor rented the half front floor, back basement for an office. One day going down the slopeing driveway, in a trashcan, I espied a white leg cast, but thought that it was a human leg (not bright kid); and went screaming back inside to mother; "There's a human leg in the trasdh can". Another Wootten girl, very young, died in the mountains from eating a wild berry that was poisonous. I imagine this was At Saluda, N.C., where mother was born 1914, the last year the family had the cottage time from when in the hot summers, men stayed in Wilmington, but families took the train to the high mountain cool air. Before trains, they could only

                                  go by steamboat to say Seven Springs, or Hillsborough. To walk amongst the Epis. church graves at Hillsborough uis to see again the names of colonial Wilmington families who's people died there in the hat summer. Jim Miller, Southport, N.C., where great, great grandfather, Stephen Jewett, IV, from 1838 Maine, came down to then Smithville (Southport) to be it's postmaster and wed second Lucy Anna Bradley, the daughter of Richard Bradley, Jr., who signed the Bank of Cape fear money. Jewett would sign Bank of Wilmington money. He is buried at the chapel at "Airlie Gardens"; once the sight of the Bradley family summer home on Bradley's Creek.



                                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com

                                  From: rhodenccc@...

                                  Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:00:42 -0700

                                  Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek













                                  Thanks Trish, Our local library is still under construction (we will be thrilled when it is built) ,, this is a very rural area here in So Cal. So, they aren't quite ready for my inquiry.



                                  I have found 'county reformation' maps for NC ,, but I really need to get specific. I and my cousins are 'dogs on the hunt' now and we are determined to figure this out. Determined ,, as in really determined. Thanks for the tips. all best, cheryl rhoden o7o



                                  ________________________________



                                  From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@...>



                                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com



                                  Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:40:48 PM



                                  Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek



                                  Cheryl,



                                  See if you can get a copy of The Formation of the North Carolina



                                  Counties by David Leroy Corbitt. It explains the formation of each



                                  county and which county was divided to make the new county. Your



                                  local library should have it, or can get it for you through inter-



                                  library loan, or you can order it on-line from Barnes & Noble or from



                                  Amazon.com.



                                  It explains it much better than I can.



                                  Trish



                                  On Jul 13, 2009, at 4:43 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:



                                  >



                                  > Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference



                                  > today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a



                                  > good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful



                                  > info about early Pitt Co.



                                  >



                                  > Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA



                                  > before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and



                                  > followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't



                                  > have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing



                                  > overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may



                                  > have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly



                                  > from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great



                                  > Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl



                                  > rhoden o7o



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                                • DAVID SMITH
                                  im going to try to send you a link to the google map.  it s on the north side of the tar river in eastern pitt  county very near to beaufort.  i cross over
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                                    im going to try to send you a link to the google map.  it's on the north side of the tar river in eastern pitt  county very near to beaufort.  i cross over grindle creek every day on the way to work.  
                                    http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?address=3405%20Yankee%20Hall%20Road&city=Greenville&state=NC&zipcode=27834&country=US&cid=lfmaplink
                                     
                                    as you can see if you change the map to aerial, there is nothing there now as far as buildings go....where grindle meets the tar....and most of the land east of grindle up to grimesland bridge road is either old swamp or is man made lakes.    if you are looking for moore's that settled on grindle you may be looking for the family that settle further up on grindle....on "old creek road"  grindle is a very long body of water.  thanks!
                                    --- On Tue, 7/14/09, cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@...> wrote:


                                    From: cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@...>
                                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek
                                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:48 PM








                                    David, thanks ,,, please keep in mind that I am in Southern California ,,, although before this search is over I am positive I will know the creeks and rivers of NC better than I do those in Ca. Where would I find 'pactolus/yankee hall' ?? This is fun. It is also annoying ,, but in a fun way. Trust you fellow researchers know what I mean. all best,, cheryl o7o

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                                    From: DAVID SMITH <carolinaguyesq@ yahoo.com>
                                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                    Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:27:30 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                    grindle creek pours into the tar river near pactolus/yankee hall. 

                                    --- On Mon, 7/13/09, cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                    From: cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@yahoo. com>
                                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek
                                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                    Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:34 PM

                                    Faye, When you say you were "surprised at how far down the line came into NC..." did you mean the boundary change between Va and Nc?  Thanks for the tip on latitude and longitude. From what I read the1728 survey was along the VA/NC border and 15 miles due north and south became NC. We're trying to get a handle on that so we know whether we need to start to also look back into VA records.

                                    I appreciate all the comments from everyone. best, cheryl rhoden o7o

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                                    From: jonefa <jonefa@embarqmail. com>
                                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                    Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:14:23 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                    You can do a search and find the lattitude and longitude of the earliest boundaries of the land granted to the early proprietors of the colonial lands. I have seen it, probably have it tucked away somewhere, but you can find it by googling it.
                                    I was surpised by how far down the line came into North Carolina and present day cities. Been quite a while since I looked at it so won't make comments on it.
                                    Faye Hays
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: cheryl rhoden
                                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                    Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:43 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                    Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful info about early Pitt Co.

                                    Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl rhoden o7o

                                    ____________ _________ _________ __
                                    From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@ mac.com>
                                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                    Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:43:12 AM
                                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                    Cheryl,

                                    Grindle Creek rises in n.e. Pitt County and flows s.e. into the Tar
                                    River on the north side of the river east of Greenville between
                                    Simpson and
                                    Grimesland.

                                    Sometimes spelled Grindal or Grindool on old maps and deeds.

                                    Here is a link to a map that shows it very clearly.

                                    http://www.ncfloodm aps.com/pubdocs/ Tar-Pamlico/ Pitt_Comm_ Rec.pdf

                                    Pitt County was never part of the Colony of Virginia.
                                    Pitt County was formed from a part of Beaufort County, NC in 1760.

                                    Two useful reference books that I would not be without are:

                                    The North Carolina Gazetteer by William S. Powell

                                    and

                                    The Formation of the North Carolina Counties by David Leroy Corbitt.

                                    Also, if you can find one, DeLorme's North Carolina Gazetteer has very
                                    detailed maps with the waterways and poquosins on them.

                                    Trish Worthington Cobb

                                    On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:44 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Good morning, I'm trying to figure out the location of the Tar River
                                    > and Grindal's Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can't
                                    > figure out where they may intersect. Any clues would be appreciated.
                                    > And, I'd love to figure out if that location was in Va prior to the
                                    > 1728 survey that changed the state boundary lines.
                                    >
                                    > We're still trying to sort out our John and Moses Moores. Thanks,
                                    > Cheryl Rhoden
                                    >
                                    > Researching: Moore/Rhoden/ Raulerson/ Johns/Music/ Dowling/Altman/
                                    > Davis/Chancy and more.
                                    >

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                                  • Jim M.
                                    Is Green County defunct? If so, I may have mixed it up with Dobbs, but doubt it. Twenty years ago in State archives Raleigh, the archivist was attempting
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                                      Is Green County defunct? If so, I may have mixed it up with Dobbs, but doubt it. Twenty years ago in State archives Raleigh, the archivist was attempting reconstitute records for Dobbs Co. My Lt. Arthur Forbes, Sr. (believed in education, we both share that value still) was on the Pitt Co. Comm. of Secrecy, Intelligence and Observation (Jim Wooten, ex-Cold War head of FBI counter intelligence is also a descendant. That's mom's side, on dad's side I desc. 2nd Maj. James Smith, Sr., of the Rowan Com. of Secrecy, Intelligence and Observation. I was talking with a retired CIA fella' and book writer who know all about Committees of Safety, but was amazed he'd never hear of the CofSIO sub-committees in many counties. There were also committees of correspondence: communications. Anyway, I'd never connected Forbes with Dobbs County--but there it was. It was the ya or nay votes of the perhaps thirty men (no women's names) allowed to vote on the acceptance of the US Constitution. There too, a tiny printed version of the Constitution. Anyway Patriot Forbes voted against the U.S. Constitution. Too radical Liberal a document I thought? That was in my right-wing ideology days--I was delighted. Today I do not cotton to the notion that "facts" should be acceptable or not, based on the facts acceptability to conforming to either right-wing or left-wing ideology. Rather ideologies, should conform to the facts.

                                      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                      From: amaryllish@...
                                      Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:30:16 -0400
                                      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek


























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                                    • Jim M.
                                      While don t know this for sure; this is my speculation. up to the 1850 s, where Shade Wooten lived, was called Johnson s Mills to the post office. Don t think
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                                        While don't know this for sure; this is my speculation. up to the 1850's, where Shade Wooten lived, was called Johnson's Mills to the post office. Don't think of romantic visions of big watermills and dams, but of millstones only three or four feet across. Think of a long, narrow, not too deep canal (ditch) to/from the river from low areas to high ground. The Johnson's Mill's canal may have been dug by Blackledge? Thirty years ago in the basement of the Pitt register of deeds vault, I met a lawyer who ever heard me tell the register of deeds I wanted to look in a perhaps ten miles longs by one or two miles wide strip of Pitt Co. that remain in Craven Co. for a decade or two after Pitt was founded, and then added to Pitt. The lawyer said he did not know that. That he had attempted to settle a contemporary boundryline dispute based on historical legal records, but could not find the records in Pitt Co. I said because they were, and still are, in Craven. He'd settled it by mutual agreement. Every N.C. register of deeds vault should have a copy of N.C. state archives book, the legal histories (geographically) of the counties. That's where I learned it. If the Pitt vault does not have it; there's a project for the Pitt genealogy or historical society and perhaps a newspaper squib about the donation.

                                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                        From: carolinaguyesq@...
                                        Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:01:02 -0700
                                        Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek


























                                        im going to try to send you a link to the google map. it's on the north side of the tar river in eastern pitt county very near to beaufort. i cross over grindle creek every day on the way to work.

                                        http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?address=3405%20Yankee%20Hall%20Road&city=Greenville&state=NC&zipcode=27834&country=US&cid=lfmaplink



                                        as you can see if you change the map to aerial, there is nothing there now as far as buildings go....where grindle meets the tar....and most of the land east of grindle up to grimesland bridge road is either old swamp or is man made lakes. if you are looking for moore's that settled on grindle you may be looking for the family that settle further up on grindle....on "old creek road" grindle is a very long body of water. thanks!

                                        --- On Tue, 7/14/09, cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@...> wrote:



                                        From: cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@...>

                                        Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com

                                        Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:48 PM



                                        David, thanks ,,, please keep in mind that I am in Southern California ,,, although before this search is over I am positive I will know the creeks and rivers of NC better than I do those in Ca. Where would I find 'pactolus/yankee hall' ?? This is fun. It is also annoying ,, but in a fun way. Trust you fellow researchers know what I mean. all best,, cheryl o7o



                                        ____________ _________ _________ __

                                        From: DAVID SMITH <carolinaguyesq@ yahoo.com>

                                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com

                                        Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:27:30 PM

                                        Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek



                                        grindle creek pours into the tar river near pactolus/yankee hall.



                                        --- On Mon, 7/13/09, cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@yahoo. com> wrote:



                                        From: cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@yahoo. com>

                                        Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com

                                        Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:34 PM



                                        Faye, When you say you were "surprised at how far down the line came into NC..." did you mean the boundary change between Va and Nc? Thanks for the tip on latitude and longitude. From what I read the1728 survey was along the VA/NC border and 15 miles due north and south became NC. We're trying to get a handle on that so we know whether we need to start to also look back into VA records.



                                        I appreciate all the comments from everyone. best, cheryl rhoden o7o



                                        ____________ _________ _________ __

                                        From: jonefa <jonefa@embarqmail. com>

                                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com

                                        Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:14:23 PM

                                        Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek



                                        You can do a search and find the lattitude and longitude of the earliest boundaries of the land granted to the early proprietors of the colonial lands. I have seen it, probably have it tucked away somewhere, but you can find it by googling it.

                                        I was surpised by how far down the line came into North Carolina and present day cities. Been quite a while since I looked at it so won't make comments on it.

                                        Faye Hays

                                        ----- Original Message -----

                                        From: cheryl rhoden

                                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com

                                        Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:43 PM

                                        Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek



                                        Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful info about early Pitt Co.



                                        Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl rhoden o7o



                                        ____________ _________ _________ __

                                        From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@ mac.com>

                                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com

                                        Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:43:12 AM

                                        Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek



                                        Cheryl,



                                        Grindle Creek rises in n.e. Pitt County and flows s.e. into the Tar

                                        River on the north side of the river east of Greenville between

                                        Simpson and

                                        Grimesland.



                                        Sometimes spelled Grindal or Grindool on old maps and deeds.



                                        Here is a link to a map that shows it very clearly.



                                        http://www.ncfloodm aps.com/pubdocs/ Tar-Pamlico/ Pitt_Comm_ Rec.pdf



                                        Pitt County was never part of the Colony of Virginia.

                                        Pitt County was formed from a part of Beaufort County, NC in 1760.



                                        Two useful reference books that I would not be without are:



                                        The North Carolina Gazetteer by William S. Powell



                                        and



                                        The Formation of the North Carolina Counties by David Leroy Corbitt.



                                        Also, if you can find one, DeLorme's North Carolina Gazetteer has very

                                        detailed maps with the waterways and poquosins on them.



                                        Trish Worthington Cobb



                                        On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:44 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:

                                        >

                                        > Good morning, I'm trying to figure out the location of the Tar River

                                        > and Grindal's Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can't

                                        > figure out where they may intersect. Any clues would be appreciated.

                                        > And, I'd love to figure out if that location was in Va prior to the

                                        > 1728 survey that changed the state boundary lines.

                                        >

                                        > We're still trying to sort out our John and Moses Moores. Thanks,

                                        > Cheryl Rhoden

                                        >

                                        > Researching: Moore/Rhoden/ Raulerson/ Johns/Music/ Dowling/Altman/

                                        > Davis/Chancy and more.

                                        >



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                                      • cheryl rhoden
                                        Daviid  ,, Thank you!! This was a great link. I cannot believe that it still looks like nothing is there. I tried to zoom in and I still didn t see a house or
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                                          Daviid  ,, Thank you!! This was a great link. I cannot believe that it still looks like nothing is there. I tried to zoom in and I still didn't see a house or any outbuildings. Why is that?

                                          The deed info we have is on the North side of the Tar River and  Grindle's Creek. Course ,, we have a lot of other deed info for Moores and we're trying to sort that out.

                                          And, what really amazes me is that the various properties other ancestors lived on in GA/FL are still just as rural as they likely were all those years ago. And, half or more of us in our cousin research group also live in very rural areas. Must be in the blood. Thanks again for that link. All best,
                                          Cheryl Rhoden o7o




                                          ________________________________
                                          From: DAVID SMITH <carolinaguyesq@...>
                                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:01:02 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek





                                          im going to try to send you a link to the google map.  it's on the north side of the tar river in eastern pitt  county very near to beaufort.  i cross over grindle creek every day on the way to work.  
                                          http://www.mapquest .com/maps/ map.adp?address= 3405%20Yankee% 20Hall%20Road& city=Greenville& state=NC& zipcode=27834& country=US& cid=lfmaplink
                                           
                                          as you can see if you change the map to aerial, there is nothing there now as far as buildings go....where grindle meets the tar....and most of the land east of grindle up to grimesland bridge road is either old swamp or is man made lakes.    if you are looking for moore's that settled on grindle you may be looking for the family that settle further up on grindle....on "old creek road"  grindle is a very long body of water.  thanks!
                                          --- On Tue, 7/14/09, cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                          From: cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@yahoo. com>
                                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek
                                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                          Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:48 PM

                                          David, thanks ,,, please keep in mind that I am in Southern California ,,, although before this search is over I am positive I will know the creeks and rivers of NC better than I do those in Ca. Where would I find 'pactolus/yankee hall' ?? This is fun. It is also annoying ,, but in a fun way. Trust you fellow researchers know what I mean. all best,, cheryl o7o

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                                          From: DAVID SMITH <carolinaguyesq@ yahoo.com>
                                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                          Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:27:30 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                          grindle creek pours into the tar river near pactolus/yankee hall. 

                                          --- On Mon, 7/13/09, cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                          From: cheryl rhoden <rhodenccc@yahoo. com>
                                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek
                                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                          Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:34 PM

                                          Faye, When you say you were "surprised at how far down the line came into NC..." did you mean the boundary change between Va and Nc?  Thanks for the tip on latitude and longitude. From what I read the1728 survey was along the VA/NC border and 15 miles due north and south became NC. We're trying to get a handle on that so we know whether we need to start to also look back into VA records.

                                          I appreciate all the comments from everyone. best, cheryl rhoden o7o

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                                          From: jonefa <jonefa@embarqmail. com>
                                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                          Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:14:23 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                          You can do a search and find the lattitude and longitude of the earliest boundaries of the land granted to the early proprietors of the colonial lands. I have seen it, probably have it tucked away somewhere, but you can find it by googling it.
                                          I was surpised by how far down the line came into North Carolina and present day cities. Been quite a while since I looked at it so won't make comments on it.
                                          Faye Hays
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                                          From: cheryl rhoden
                                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                          Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:43 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                          Trish and Julian ,, Thank you both. I also found a great reference today called: "Sketches of Pitt County" by Henry T. King. It has a good number of old maps (maps you can actually read) and wonderful info about early Pitt Co.

                                          Trish: Why do you think that sections of Pitt were not part of VA before the survey in 1728? The old maps I found today preceeded and followed that survey ,, so heck if I know exactly and they didn't have 'scale' ,, so you can't really figure out without doing overlays of the old and the new. It does seem like that section may have been in early Albemarle County??? And Pitt was formed mostly from Beaufort Co. (And, I still love the reference to the "Great Dismal Swamp." ) Thank you both again for these tips. best, cheryl rhoden o7o

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                                          From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@ mac.com>
                                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                          Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:43:12 AM
                                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tar River and Grindal's Creek

                                          Cheryl,

                                          Grindle Creek rises in n.e. Pitt County and flows s.e. into the Tar
                                          River on the north side of the river east of Greenville between
                                          Simpson and
                                          Grimesland.

                                          Sometimes spelled Grindal or Grindool on old maps and deeds.

                                          Here is a link to a map that shows it very clearly.

                                          http://www.ncfloodm aps.com/pubdocs/ Tar-Pamlico/ Pitt_Comm_ Rec.pdf

                                          Pitt County was never part of the Colony of Virginia.
                                          Pitt County was formed from a part of Beaufort County, NC in 1760.

                                          Two useful reference books that I would not be without are:

                                          The North Carolina Gazetteer by William S. Powell

                                          and

                                          The Formation of the North Carolina Counties by David Leroy Corbitt.

                                          Also, if you can find one, DeLorme's North Carolina Gazetteer has very
                                          detailed maps with the waterways and poquosins on them.

                                          Trish Worthington Cobb

                                          On Jul 13, 2009, at 12:44 PM, cheryl rhoden wrote:
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                                          > Good morning, I'm trying to figure out the location of the Tar River
                                          > and Grindal's Creek. I can find both on Internet maps but I can't
                                          > figure out where they may intersect. Any clues would be appreciated.
                                          > And, I'd love to figure out if that location was in Va prior to the
                                          > 1728 survey that changed the state boundary lines.
                                          >
                                          > We're still trying to sort out our John and Moses Moores. Thanks,
                                          > Cheryl Rhoden
                                          >
                                          > Researching: Moore/Rhoden/ Raulerson/ Johns/Music/ Dowling/Altman/
                                          > Davis/Chancy and more.
                                          >

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                                        • rhodenccc
                                          Jim, I was searching the Pitt Deed Notes today and found references to William Murphy. I hope this link works:
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                                            Jim,

                                            I was searching the Pitt Deed Notes today and found references to William Murphy.

                                            I hope this link works:

                                            www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncpcfr/pittdeednotes.htm

                                            Scroll to entry # 150 and entry # 497. There are also a good number of references to the Blounts. best, cheryl o7o--- In genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com, Jim M. <focusoninfinity@...> wrote:
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                                            > A place I'd like to locate once in old, now defunct Dobbs Co., and
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