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  • sistajme
    Hello everyone does anyone know if there s a Maxwell County NC or was there ever an Maxwell County also is there or was there an Chicoa Pitt County NC because
    Message 1 of 27 , Nov 1, 2008
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      Hello everyone does anyone know if there's a Maxwell County NC or was
      there ever an Maxwell County also is there or was there an Chicoa Pitt
      County NC because i cannot find it either of them? stephannie
    • Evelyn Hendricks
      There was never any Maxwell Co., NC and I have never heard of the Chicoa reference. I wish I knew where to tell you search for the state that has these
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        There was never any Maxwell Co., NC and I have never heard of the Chicoa
        reference. I wish I knew where to tell you search for the state that has
        these counties, but I don't know where to begin looking for them.

        Evelyn





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        Subject: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?



        Hello everyone does anyone know if there's a Maxwell County NC or was
        there ever an Maxwell County also is there or was there an Chicoa Pitt
        County NC because i cannot find it either of them? stephannie





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      • Joe Webb
        Do you suppose Chicoa could be Chicod in Pitt County? Jo ... From: Evelyn Hendricks To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:34 PM
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          Do you suppose Chicoa could be Chicod in Pitt County?

          Jo

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          From: Evelyn Hendricks
          To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:34 PM
          Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?


          There was never any Maxwell Co., NC and I have never heard of the Chicoa
          reference. I wish I knew where to tell you search for the state that has
          these counties, but I don't know where to begin looking for them.

          Evelyn

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          From: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com] On
          Behalf Of sistajme
          Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:17 PM
          To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

          Hello everyone does anyone know if there's a Maxwell County NC or was
          there ever an Maxwell County also is there or was there an Chicoa Pitt
          County NC because i cannot find it either of them? stephannie

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        • Marcia McLawhorn
          I ve never seen Maxwell County in NC; but I found these references: 1) On Civil War enlistment data is a PO Address: Maxwell, NC in Columbus County. 2) On
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            I've never seen "Maxwell County" in NC; but I found these references:
            1) On Civil War enlistment data is a PO Address: Maxwell, NC in Columbus County.
            2) On page of Caldwell County, NC Cities and Towns with Zip Codes is Maxwell, NC 78656

            Chicoa was a legal place at one time.
            Looking at LDS free search of the 1880 census in Pitt County, NC.
            For the Town, I see Chicoa as the second community on the list between Belvoir and Contentnea. Is it the old way for Chicod?

            Sincerely,
            Marcia






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          • Trish Worthington Cobb
            I think it used to be a census district in the area that now includes Simpson and Chicod. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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              I think it used to be a census district in the area that now includes
              Simpson and Chicod.

              On Nov 2, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Marcia McLawhorn wrote:

              > I've never seen "Maxwell County" in NC; but I found these references:
              > 1) On Civil War enlistment data is a PO Address: Maxwell, NC in
              > Columbus County.
              > 2) On page of Caldwell County, NC Cities and Towns with Zip Codes is
              > Maxwell, NC 78656
              >
              > Chicoa was a legal place at one time.
              > Looking at LDS free search of the 1880 census in Pitt County, NC.
              > For the Town, I see Chicoa as the second community on the list
              > between Belvoir and Contentnea. Is it the old way for Chicod?
              >
              > Sincerely,
              > Marcia
              >
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            • stephannie brown
              Thank you Marcia ________________________________ From: Trish Worthington Cobb To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 2,
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                Thank you Marcia




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                From: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@...>
                To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 12:30:50 PM
                Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Name of counties? My 2 cents


                I think it used to be a census district in the area that now includes
                Simpson and Chicod.

                On Nov 2, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Marcia McLawhorn wrote:

                > I've never seen "Maxwell County" in NC; but I found these references:
                > 1) On Civil War enlistment data is a PO Address: Maxwell, NC in
                > Columbus County.
                > 2) On page of Caldwell County, NC Cities and Towns with Zip Codes is
                > Maxwell, NC 78656
                >
                > Chicoa was a legal place at one time.
                > Looking at LDS free search of the 1880 census in Pitt County, NC.
                > For the Town, I see Chicoa as the second community on the list
                > between Belvoir and Contentnea. Is it the old way for Chicod?
                >
                > Sincerely,
                > Marcia
                >
                >
                >
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              • stephannie brown
                Thank you Everyone ________________________________ From: Evelyn Hendricks To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008
                Message 7 of 27 , Nov 3, 2008
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                  Thank you Everyone




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                  From: Evelyn Hendricks <rebh@...>
                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:34:03 PM
                  Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?


                  There was never any Maxwell Co., NC and I have never heard of the Chicoa
                  reference. I wish I knew where to tell you search for the state that has
                  these counties, but I don't know where to begin looking for them.

                  Evelyn

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                  From: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com] On
                  Behalf Of sistajme
                  Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:17 PM
                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                  Subject: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                  Hello everyone does anyone know if there's a Maxwell County NC or was
                  there ever an Maxwell County also is there or was there an Chicoa Pitt
                  County NC because i cannot find it either of them? stephannie

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                • stephannie brown
                  Hello my father has always told me that my grand mother was an Cherokee Indian went by the name of Bright Eyes on the reservation i have checked the Dawes,
                  Message 8 of 27 , Nov 3, 2008
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                    Hello my father has always told me that my grand mother was an Cherokee Indian went by the name of Bright Eyes on the reservation i have checked the Dawes, Miller and Baker rolls and have been unable to find her is there and other way that i can search for her.....her maiden name was Annie Randolph she was married twice to Wilson and Pitt i never knew her mother or fathers name any information that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. 




                    ________________________________
                    From: stephannie brown <stephanniewilson@...>
                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:34:37 AM
                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?


                    Thank you Everyone

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                    From: Evelyn Hendricks <rebh@...>
                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                    Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:34:03 PM
                    Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                    There was never any Maxwell Co., NC and I have never heard of the Chicoa
                    reference. I wish I knew where to tell you search for the state that has
                    these counties, but I don't know where to begin looking for them.

                    Evelyn

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                    From: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                    Behalf Of sistajme
                    Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:17 PM
                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                    Subject: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                    Hello everyone does anyone know if there's a Maxwell County NC or was
                    there ever an Maxwell County also is there or was there an Chicoa Pitt
                    County NC because i cannot find it either of them? stephannie

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                  • Judy N. Lewis
                    From Allen Churchill s Pitt County Bride Index: Adelaide Randolph, daughter of Richard Randolph, married on 1/14/1884 A F Corbitt Annie Randolph, daughter of
                    Message 9 of 27 , Nov 3, 2008
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                      From Allen Churchill''s Pitt County Bride Index:

                      Adelaide Randolph, daughter of Richard Randolph, married on 1/14/1884 A F Corbitt

                      Annie Randolph, daughter of T. E. Randolph, married on 12/12/1894 P. S. Quinerly

                      Della Randolph, daughter of Chas R. Randolph, married on 1/24/1878 Jesse Downs

                      Harriet Randolph, daughter of Mumul Randolph, married on 4/15/1872 Howell Atkinson

                      Harriet Ann Randolph, daughter of Henry Stancill, married on 5/1/1870 Robt Randolph

                      Jesse Randolph, daughter of Jesse Randolph, married on 12/21/1887 R. R. Hodges

                      Liddia Randolph, daughter of Wilson Randolph, married on 10/22/1870 Robert Freeman

                      Prudence Randolph, daugher of Richd Randolph, married on 11/30/1876 Benj B. Pollard

                      R. A. Randolph, daughter of C A Randolph, married on 2/17/1892 Bynum Teel

                      Vedie E. Randolph, daughter of Edward Randolph, married on 10/20/1886 R A Rollins

                      From Edgecombe County Marriages:

                      Robert Randolph married on 12/22/1831 Jaque A. Ruffin

                      Martha P. Randolph married on 10-8-1822 John F. Hughes

                      Judy


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                      From: "stephannie brown" <stephanniewilson@...>
                      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:55:48 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
                      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?







                      Hello my father has always told me that my grand mother was an Cherokee Indian went by the name of Bright Eyes on the reservation i have checked the Dawes, Miller and Baker rolls and have been unable to find her is there and other way that i can search for her.....her maiden name was Annie Randolph she was married twice to Wilson and Pitt i never knew her mother or fathers name any information that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. 

                      ________________________________
                      From: stephannie brown < stephanniewilson@... >
                      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:34:37 AM
                      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                      Thank you Everyone

                      ____________ _________ _________ __
                      From: Evelyn Hendricks < rebh@... >
                      To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                      Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:34:03 PM
                      Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                      There was never any Maxwell Co., NC and I have never heard of the Chicoa
                      reference. I wish I knew where to tell you search for the state that has
                      these counties, but I don't know where to begin looking for them.

                      Evelyn

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                      From: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                      Behalf Of sistajme
                      Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:17 PM
                      To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                      Subject: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                      Hello everyone does anyone know if there's a Maxwell County NC or was
                      there ever an Maxwell County also is there or was there an Chicoa Pitt
                      County NC because i cannot find it either of them? stephannie

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                    • stephannie brown
                      thank you judy is that the whole list? Annie Randolph was first married to Culley or Curly Wilson because her name isn t there does it mean they where never
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                        thank you judy is that the whole list? Annie Randolph was first married to Culley or Curly Wilson because her name isn't there does it mean they where never married? or is there somewhere to look? thank you 



                        ________________________________
                        From: Judy N. Lewis <jnlewis@...>
                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 12:20:04 PM
                        Subject: [genpcncfir] Annie Randolph/Randolph Marriages




                        From Allen Churchill''s Pitt County Bride Index:

                        Adelaide Randolph, daughter of Richard Randolph, married on 1/14/1884 A F Corbitt

                        Annie Randolph, daughter of T. E. Randolph, married on 12/12/1894 P. S. Quinerly

                        Della Randolph, daughter of Chas R. Randolph, married on 1/24/1878 Jesse Downs

                        Harriet Randolph, daughter of Mumul Randolph, married on 4/15/1872 Howell Atkinson

                        Harriet Ann Randolph, daughter of Henry Stancill, married on 5/1/1870 Robt Randolph

                        Jesse Randolph, daughter of Jesse Randolph, married on 12/21/1887 R. R. Hodges

                        Liddia Randolph, daughter of Wilson Randolph, married on 10/22/1870 Robert Freeman

                        Prudence Randolph, daugher of Richd Randolph, married on 11/30/1876 Benj B. Pollard

                        R. A. Randolph, daughter of C A Randolph, married on 2/17/1892 Bynum Teel

                        Vedie E. Randolph, daughter of Edward Randolph, married on 10/20/1886 R A Rollins

                        From Edgecombe County Marriages:

                        Robert Randolph married on 12/22/1831 Jaque A. Ruffin

                        Martha P. Randolph married on 10-8-1822 John F. Hughes

                        Judy

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                        From: "stephannie brown" <stephanniewilson@ yahoo.com>
                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                        Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:55:48 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_ York
                        Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                        Hello my father has always told me that my grand mother was an Cherokee Indian went by the name of Bright Eyes on the reservation i have checked the Dawes, Miller and Baker rolls and have been unable to find her is there and other way that i can search for her.....her maiden name was Annie Randolph she was married twice to Wilson and Pitt i never knew her mother or fathers name any information that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. 

                        ____________ _________ _________ __
                        From: stephannie brown < stephanniewilson@ yahoo.com >
                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                        Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:34:37 AM
                        Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                        Thank you Everyone

                        ____________ _________ _________ __
                        From: Evelyn Hendricks < rebh@... >
                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                        Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:34:03 PM
                        Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                        There was never any Maxwell Co., NC and I have never heard of the Chicoa
                        reference. I wish I knew where to tell you search for the state that has
                        these counties, but I don't know where to begin looking for them.

                        Evelyn

                        _____

                        From: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                        Behalf Of sistajme
                        Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:17 PM
                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                        Subject: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                        Hello everyone does anyone know if there's a Maxwell County NC or was
                        there ever an Maxwell County also is there or was there an Chicoa Pitt
                        County NC because i cannot find it either of them? stephannie

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                      • Paula Baker
                        I found an Annie E. Randolph b. abt. 1872 in Pitt County who is the daughter of John E. Randolph and Cornelia.  Is this the one you are looking for? 
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                          I found an Annie E. Randolph b. abt. 1872 in Pitt County who is the daughter of John E. Randolph and Cornelia.  Is this the one you are looking for?  Brothers look like James H. Randolph and Leonard Randolph.  I found a couple more.  Give me an approx birthdate if this isn't the one.
                           Paula Baker
                          Researching Cole, Wilkerson, Norman, and White in Georgia, South Carolina, and Louisiana and
                          Baker, Tyson, Manning, and Stocks in North Carolina


                          "We are not free, separate, and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way."


                          Thomas Mann




                          ________________________________
                          From: stephannie brown <stephanniewilson@...>
                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:47:32 PM
                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Annie Randolph/Randolph Marriages


                          thank you judy is that the whole list? Annie Randolph was first married to Culley or Curly Wilson because her name isn't there does it mean they where never married? or is there somewhere to look? thank you 

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                          From: Judy N. Lewis <jnlewis@embarqmail. com>
                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                          Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 12:20:04 PM
                          Subject: [genpcncfir] Annie Randolph/Randolph Marriages

                          From Allen Churchill''s Pitt County Bride Index:

                          Adelaide Randolph, daughter of Richard Randolph, married on 1/14/1884 A F Corbitt

                          Annie Randolph, daughter of T. E. Randolph, married on 12/12/1894 P. S. Quinerly

                          Della Randolph, daughter of Chas R. Randolph, married on 1/24/1878 Jesse Downs

                          Harriet Randolph, daughter of Mumul Randolph, married on 4/15/1872 Howell Atkinson

                          Harriet Ann Randolph, daughter of Henry Stancill, married on 5/1/1870 Robt Randolph

                          Jesse Randolph, daughter of Jesse Randolph, married on 12/21/1887 R. R. Hodges

                          Liddia Randolph, daughter of Wilson Randolph, married on 10/22/1870 Robert Freeman

                          Prudence Randolph, daugher of Richd Randolph, married on 11/30/1876 Benj B. Pollard

                          R. A. Randolph, daughter of C A Randolph, married on 2/17/1892 Bynum Teel

                          Vedie E. Randolph, daughter of Edward Randolph, married on 10/20/1886 R A Rollins

                          From Edgecombe County Marriages:

                          Robert Randolph married on 12/22/1831 Jaque A. Ruffin

                          Martha P. Randolph married on 10-8-1822 John F. Hughes

                          Judy

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "stephannie brown" <stephanniewilson@ yahoo.com>
                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                          Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:55:48 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_ York
                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                          Hello my father has always told me that my grand mother was an Cherokee Indian went by the name of Bright Eyes on the reservation i have checked the Dawes, Miller and Baker rolls and have been unable to find her is there and other way that i can search for her.....her maiden name was Annie Randolph she was married twice to Wilson and Pitt i never knew her mother or fathers name any information that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. 

                          ____________ _________ _________ __
                          From: stephannie brown < stephanniewilson@ yahoo.com >
                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                          Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:34:37 AM
                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                          Thank you Everyone

                          ____________ _________ _________ __
                          From: Evelyn Hendricks < rebh@... >
                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                          Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:34:03 PM
                          Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                          There was never any Maxwell Co., NC and I have never heard of the Chicoa
                          reference. I wish I knew where to tell you search for the state that has
                          these counties, but I don't know where to begin looking for them.

                          Evelyn

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                          From: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                          Behalf Of sistajme
                          Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:17 PM
                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                          Subject: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                          Hello everyone does anyone know if there's a Maxwell County NC or was
                          there ever an Maxwell County also is there or was there an Chicoa Pitt
                          County NC because i cannot find it either of them? stephannie

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                        • Louise
                          At one time I had a list of how each child in the family was named in a North Carolina family.  Does anyone have that list?  I remember that the first son
                          Message 12 of 27 , Nov 4, 2008
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                            At one time I had a list of how each child in the family was named in a North Carolina family.  Does anyone have that list?  I remember that the first son was named after his two grandfathers.  That practice was carried on to this day in my Nichols family.  The son named after his father (Jr.) was one of the later sons.





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                          • Judy N. Lewis
                            Naming Traditions: First son:  father s father Second son:  mother s father Third son:  father Fourth son:  father s oldest brother Fifth son:  father s
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                              Naming Traditions:

                              First son:  father's father

                              Second son:  mother's father

                              Third son:  father

                              Fourth son:  father's oldest brother

                              Fifth son:  father's second oldest brother or mother's oldest brother

                              First daughter:  mother's mother

                              Second daughter:  father's mother

                              Third daughter:  mother

                              Fourth daughter:  mother's oldest sister

                              Fifth daughter:  mother's second oldest brother or father's oldest sister (I wondered why I have found two daughters by the name of William)

                              Middle name:  mother's maiden name of surnames of close friends

                              This info was found in the USGenWeb Archives
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Louise" <champright@...>
                              To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:42:06 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
                              Subject: [genpcncfir] Order of naming children in North Carolina








                              At one time I had a list of how each child in the family was named in a North Carolina family.  Does anyone have that list?  I remember that the first son was named after his two grandfathers.  That practice was carried on to this day in my Nichols family.  The son named after his father (Jr.) was one of the later sons.

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                            • Gil Harris
                              Wow..Thats kinda confusing...I guess my family didnt follow the system..Thank you for that info..Very helpful.. I am the oldest son of Vernon Washington
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                                Wow..Thats kinda confusing...I guess my family didnt follow the
                                system..Thank you for that info..Very helpful..
                                I am the oldest son of Vernon Washington Harris and Maddie Dail Harris...
                                My great Grandfather was Guilford Harris, my Grandfather was Pinkney
                                Harris..So they named me Guilfrord Pinkney Harris..
                                My father was born on George Washington's birthday so I guess thats the
                                reason for his name..
                                Guilford Harris
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                                From: "Judy N. Lewis" <jnlewis@...>
                                To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 AM
                                Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Order of naming children in North Carolina




                                Naming Traditions:

                                First son: father's father

                                Second son: mother's father

                                Third son: father

                                Fourth son: father's oldest brother

                                Fifth son: father's second oldest brother or mother's oldest brother

                                First daughter: mother's mother

                                Second daughter: father's mother

                                Third daughter: mother

                                Fourth daughter: mother's oldest sister

                                Fifth daughter: mother's second oldest brother or father's oldest sister (I
                                wondered why I have found two daughters by the name of William)

                                Middle name: mother's maiden name of surnames of close friends

                                This info was found in the USGenWeb Archives
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "Louise" <champright@...>
                                To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:42:06 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
                                Subject: [genpcncfir] Order of naming children in North Carolina








                                At one time I had a list of how each child in the family was named in a
                                North Carolina family. Does anyone have that list? I remember that the first
                                son was named after his two grandfathers. That practice was carried on to
                                this day in my Nichols family. The son named after his father (Jr.) was one
                                of the later sons.

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                              • Judy N. Lewis
                                Yes, this is the whole list from these sources. Judy ... From: stephannie brown To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday,
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                                  Yes, this is the whole list from these sources.

                                  Judy
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: "stephannie brown" <stephanniewilson@...>
                                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:47:32 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
                                  Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Annie Randolph/Randolph Marriages







                                  thank you judy is that the whole list? Annie Randolph was first married to Culley or Curly Wilson because her name isn't there does it mean they where never married? or is there somewhere to look? thank you 

                                  ________________________________
                                  From: Judy N. Lewis < jnlewis@... >
                                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 12:20:04 PM
                                  Subject: [genpcncfir] Annie Randolph/Randolph Marriages

                                  From Allen Churchill''s Pitt County Bride Index:

                                  Adelaide Randolph, daughter of Richard Randolph, married on 1/14/1884 A F Corbitt

                                  Annie Randolph, daughter of T. E. Randolph, married on 12/12/1894 P. S. Quinerly

                                  Della Randolph, daughter of Chas R. Randolph, married on 1/24/1878 Jesse Downs

                                  Harriet Randolph, daughter of Mumul Randolph, married on 4/15/1872 Howell Atkinson

                                  Harriet Ann Randolph, daughter of Henry Stancill, married on 5/1/1870 Robt Randolph

                                  Jesse Randolph, daughter of Jesse Randolph, married on 12/21/1887 R. R. Hodges

                                  Liddia Randolph, daughter of Wilson Randolph, married on 10/22/1870 Robert Freeman

                                  Prudence Randolph, daugher of Richd Randolph, married on 11/30/1876 Benj B. Pollard

                                  R. A. Randolph, daughter of C A Randolph, married on 2/17/1892 Bynum Teel

                                  Vedie E. Randolph, daughter of Edward Randolph, married on 10/20/1886 R A Rollins

                                  From Edgecombe County Marriages:

                                  Robert Randolph married on 12/22/1831 Jaque A. Ruffin

                                  Martha P. Randolph married on 10-8-1822 John F. Hughes

                                  Judy

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                                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                  Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:55:48 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_ York
                                  Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                                  Hello my father has always told me that my grand mother was an Cherokee Indian went by the name of Bright Eyes on the reservation i have checked the Dawes, Miller and Baker rolls and have been unable to find her is there and other way that i can search for her.....her maiden name was Annie Randolph she was married twice to Wilson and Pitt i never knew her mother or fathers name any information that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. 

                                  ____________ _________ _________ __
                                  From: stephannie brown < stephanniewilson@ yahoo.com >
                                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                  Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 10:34:37 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                                  Thank you Everyone

                                  ____________ _________ _________ __
                                  From: Evelyn Hendricks < rebh@... >
                                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                  Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 4:34:03 PM
                                  Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                                  There was never any Maxwell Co., NC and I have never heard of the Chicoa
                                  reference. I wish I knew where to tell you search for the state that has
                                  these counties, but I don't know where to begin looking for them.

                                  Evelyn

                                  _____

                                  From: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@ yahoogro ups.com] On
                                  Behalf Of sistajme
                                  Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:17 PM
                                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                  Subject: [genpcncfir] Name of counties?

                                  Hello everyone does anyone know if there's a Maxwell County NC or was
                                  there ever an Maxwell County also is there or was there an Chicoa Pitt
                                  County NC because i cannot find it either of them? stephannie

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                                • Louise
                                  Thank you very much!!!  In our family the first son was named after both grandfathers.  There might be another list.  It seems that on the list that I saw a
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                                    Thank you very much!!!  In our family the first son was named after both grandfathers.  There might be another list.  It seems that on the list that I saw a few years back that first son was named after the two grandfathers.  I also remember along the line a child was named after a friend of the family.  I wonder why the different lists.  Maybe one list is English and the other Scottish or such.  My brother is named after his two grandfathers.  My uncle is also named after his two grandfathers.  There is always something to research.  A list like this could be a break through if the family consistantly uses a list to name the children. 

                                    --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Gil Harris <gil@...> wrote:

                                    From: Gil Harris <gil@...>
                                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Order of naming children in North Carolina
                                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 6:52 AM

                                    Wow..Thats kinda confusing...I guess my family didnt follow the
                                    system..Thank you for that info..Very helpful..
                                    I am the oldest son of Vernon Washington Harris and Maddie Dail Harris...
                                    My great Grandfather was Guilford Harris, my Grandfather was Pinkney
                                    Harris..So they named me Guilfrord Pinkney Harris..
                                    My father was born on George Washington's birthday so I guess thats the
                                    reason for his name..
                                    Guilford Harris
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: "Judy N. Lewis" <jnlewis@...>
                                    To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 AM
                                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Order of naming children in North Carolina




                                    Naming Traditions:

                                    First son: father's father

                                    Second son: mother's father

                                    Third son: father

                                    Fourth son: father's oldest brother

                                    Fifth son: father's second oldest brother or mother's oldest brother

                                    First daughter: mother's mother

                                    Second daughter: father's mother

                                    Third daughter: mother

                                    Fourth daughter: mother's oldest sister

                                    Fifth daughter: mother's second oldest brother or father's oldest
                                    sister (I
                                    wondered why I have found two daughters by the name of William)

                                    Middle name: mother's maiden name of surnames of close friends

                                    This info was found in the USGenWeb Archives
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: "Louise" <champright@...>
                                    To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:42:06 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
                                    Subject: [genpcncfir] Order of naming children in North Carolina








                                    At one time I had a list of how each child in the family was named in a
                                    North Carolina family. Does anyone have that list? I remember that the first
                                    son was named after his two grandfathers. That practice was carried on to
                                    this day in my Nichols family. The son named after his father (Jr.) was one
                                    of the later sons.

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                                  • Louise
                                    Thank you very much!!!  In our family the first son was named after both grandfathers.  There might be another list.  It seems that on the list that I saw a
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                                      Thank you very much!!!  In our family the first son was named after both grandfathers.  There might be another list.  It seems that on the list that I saw a few years back that first son was named after the two grandfathers.  I also remember along the line a child was named after a friend of the family.  I wonder why the different lists.  Maybe one list is English and the other Scottish or such.  My brother is named after his two grandfathers.  My uncle is also named after his two grandfathers.  There is always something to research.  A list like this could be a break through if the family consistantly uses a list to name the children. 

                                      --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Gil Harris <gil@...> wrote:

                                      From: Gil Harris <gil@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Order of naming children in North Carolina
                                      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 6:52 AM

                                      Wow..Thats kinda confusing...I guess my family didnt follow the
                                      system..Thank you for that info..Very helpful..
                                      I am the oldest son of Vernon Washington Harris and Maddie Dail Harris...
                                      My great Grandfather was Guilford Harris, my Grandfather was Pinkney
                                      Harris..So they named me Guilfrord Pinkney Harris..
                                      My father was born on George Washington's birthday so I guess thats the
                                      reason for his name..
                                      Guilford Harris
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: "Judy N. Lewis" <jnlewis@...>
                                      To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Order of naming children in North Carolina




                                      Naming Traditions:

                                      First son: father's father

                                      Second son: mother's father

                                      Third son: father

                                      Fourth son: father's oldest brother

                                      Fifth son: father's second oldest brother or mother's oldest brother

                                      First daughter: mother's mother

                                      Second daughter: father's mother

                                      Third daughter: mother

                                      Fourth daughter: mother's oldest sister

                                      Fifth daughter: mother's second oldest brother or father's oldest
                                      sister (I
                                      wondered why I have found two daughters by the name of William)

                                      Middle name: mother's maiden name of surnames of close friends

                                      This info was found in the USGenWeb Archives
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: "Louise" <champright@...>
                                      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:42:06 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
                                      Subject: [genpcncfir] Order of naming children in North Carolina








                                      At one time I had a list of how each child in the family was named in a
                                      North Carolina family. Does anyone have that list? I remember that the first
                                      son was named after his two grandfathers. That practice was carried on to
                                      this day in my Nichols family. The son named after his father (Jr.) was one
                                      of the later sons.

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                                    • Margaret Smith
                                      I ve seen this traditional naming list for Scotland, and would guess that any families in North Carolina that used it were Scots immigrants. Even in such
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                                        I've seen this traditional naming list for Scotland, and would guess that any families in North Carolina that used it were Scots immigrants. Even in such families, though, it would break down in some lines. Say a third son James, named for his father James, has children. His first son, named for his paternal grandfather, would be James also. And if the mother's father was also James, then the family really has to start looking elsewhere for names! A similar situation would arise with girls' names.I doubt that many, if any, families followed the pattern strictly for very long, however, it goes a long way toward explaining the confusion so many of us face with the same names appearing over and over in our genealogies, with mulitple cousins sharing the same name even in one generation!

                                        Margaret Lindsey Smith

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                                      • Carol Singh
                                        Dear Margaret, It certainly does, doesn t it. And what a problem it causes when two or more brothers give their sons the same name. What a genealogical
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                                          Dear Margaret,
                                          It certainly does, doesn't it. And what a problem
                                          it causes when two or more brothers give their sons
                                          the same name. What a genealogical nightmare!
                                          Later, Carol
                                          --- Margaret Smith <mlsmith67@...> wrote:

                                          >
                                          > I've seen this traditional naming list for Scotland,
                                          > and would guess that any families in North Carolina
                                          > that used it were Scots immigrants. Even in such
                                          > families, though, it would break down in some lines.
                                          > Say a third son James, named for his father James,
                                          > has children. His first son, named for his paternal
                                          > grandfather, would be James also. And if the
                                          > mother's father was also James, then the family
                                          > really has to start looking elsewhere for names! A
                                          > similar situation would arise with girls' names.I
                                          > doubt that many, if any, families followed the
                                          > pattern strictly for very long, however, it goes a
                                          > long way toward explaining the confusion so many of
                                          > us face with the same names appearing over and over
                                          > in our genealogies, with mulitple cousins sharing
                                          > the same name even in one generation!
                                          >
                                          > Margaret Lindsey Smith
                                          >
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                                          >
                                          >
                                        • Louise
                                          Thanks for your information.  Our family are Nichols or Nicholas.  I think my immigrant ancester came from England, but there are some relatives that think
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                                            Thanks for your information.  Our family are Nichols or Nicholas.  I think my immigrant ancester came from England, but there are some relatives that think we are Scottish.  That means more work to come to be sure.  I really enjoy learning about our genealogy.  We have also done the DNA and have connected to earlier Nichols families.

                                            --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Margaret Smith <mlsmith67@...> wrote:

                                            From: Margaret Smith <mlsmith67@...>
                                            Subject: [genpcncfir] Re: Order of naming children in North Carolina
                                            To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                            Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 4:05 AM

                                            I've seen this traditional naming list for Scotland, and would guess that
                                            any families in North Carolina that used it were Scots immigrants. Even in such
                                            families, though, it would break down in some lines. Say a third son James,
                                            named for his father James, has children. His first son, named for his paternal
                                            grandfather, would be James also. And if the mother's father was also James,
                                            then the family really has to start looking elsewhere for names! A similar
                                            situation would arise with girls' names.I doubt that many, if any, families
                                            followed the pattern strictly for very long, however, it goes a long way toward
                                            explaining the confusion so many of us face with the same names appearing over
                                            and over in our genealogies, with mulitple cousins sharing the same name even in
                                            one generation!

                                            Margaret Lindsey Smith

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                                          • Marcia McLawhorn
                                            Judy, Della Randolph, daughter of Chas R. Randolph, looks like she may be the Della Randolph [b:1859-1860], daughter of Ruthie Warren & Charles Adams Randolph.
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                                              Judy,
                                              Della Randolph, daughter of Chas R. Randolph, looks like she may be the Della Randolph [b:1859-1860], daughter of Ruthie Warren & Charles Adams Randolph.
                                              Eighteen for her wedding.

                                              Jesse Downs, son of Elizabeth "Betsy" Mayo & Kenyon Downs, Jr. [b:1824] and twin of Wiley, is about the right age to be the Groom.

                                              If R.A. Randolph, the daughter of C.A. Randolph, is also Annie Laura Randolph and Laura on the 1880 census, then her first name might be Ruth/Ruthie just like her mother...

                                              - - - - -

                                              Then C.A. Randolph & Chas R. Randolph are both Charles Adams Randolph, who had two wives: Ruthie Warren [should be on 1860 census] and Susan C. Jenkins [on 1880 census]
                                              That would make Della and Annie Laura full sisters!


                                              - - - - -

                                              Looking at the other posts, it's unclear what race the family is that we are trying to find?
                                              I've seen multiple incidences where neighboring families of different races naming their children similarly.
                                              Marcia

                                              "Judy N. Lewis" <jnlewis@...> wrote:

                                              From Allen Churchill''s Pitt County Bride Index:
                                              ...
                                              Della Randolph, daughter of Chas R. Randolph, married on 1/24/1878 Jesse Downs
                                              ...
                                              R. A. Randolph, daughter of C A Randolph, married on 2/17/1892 Bynum Teel
                                              ...



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                                            • Martha-Gay Morton
                                              Judy and Marcia, I have DOWNS information, if you think this is the Della that married Jesse DOWNS. 1878 24th January Jesse P. DOWNS [age 29] son of Kinyin and
                                              Message 22 of 27 , Nov 8, 2008
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                                                Judy and Marcia,
                                                I have DOWNS information, if you think this is the Della that married Jesse DOWNS.
                                                1878 24th January Jesse P. DOWNS [age 29] son of Kinyin and Elizabeth DOWNS marries Della Randolph [age 18] daughter of Charles A. and Rutha Randolph, Belvoir, NC.
                                                1880 Belvoir Post Office, Pitt County NC DOWNS, Jesse 30 WM, Deller 22 WF,
                                                Ruthy 1 WF. 1890 Census burned. 1900 Pitt County, Belvoir, DOWNS, Jesse 56 WM, Della 47 WF, Rutha 20 WF, Lucie 7 wf [neice]. Although Cannan [Kenyon] and Elizabeth DOWNS are named as heirs of Jacob MAYO 1849 January 11th, DB 'MM' page 252,
                                                Betty Cassidy and I are both convinced that Elizabeth's maiden name was BRILEY
                                                and not MAYO. Wiley and Jesse P. were twins. Unable to find death certificate for Jesse but Wiley's death certificate staes DOB February 14th 1844, Wiley's DOD August 27th 1935, age 91 years, 6 months, 14 days. Father: Kenyon Downs and Mother: Betsy Briley. Informant: S.V. Clark. Williams Funeral Home G'ville, buried Windham [Windom] Graveyard. [Do not know where this cemetery is located] Pitt Co Death Index Vol 22,
                                                page 468. Let me know what you think.
                                                Martha-Gay Morton

                                                --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Marcia McLawhorn <marcia_mclawhorn@...> wrote:

                                                From: Marcia McLawhorn <marcia_mclawhorn@...>
                                                Subject: [genpcncfir] Randolph Marriages: Ruthie Warren & C. A. Randolph's daughters
                                                To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 7:34 PM






                                                Judy,
                                                Della Randolph, daughter of Chas R. Randolph, looks like she may be the Della Randolph [b:1859-1860] , daughter of Ruthie Warren & Charles Adams Randolph.
                                                Eighteen for her wedding.

                                                Jesse Downs, son of Elizabeth "Betsy" Mayo & Kenyon Downs, Jr. [b:1824] and twin of Wiley, is about the right age to be the Groom.

                                                If R.A. Randolph, the daughter of C.A. Randolph, is also Annie Laura Randolph and Laura on the 1880 census, then her first name might be Ruth/Ruthie just like her mother...

                                                - - - - -

                                                Then C.A. Randolph & Chas R. Randolph are both Charles Adams Randolph, who had two wives: Ruthie Warren [should be on 1860 census] and Susan C. Jenkins [on 1880 census]
                                                That would make Della and Annie Laura full sisters!

                                                - - - - -

                                                Looking at the other posts, it's unclear what race the family is that we are trying to find?
                                                I've seen multiple incidences where neighboring families of different races naming their children similarly.
                                                Marcia

                                                "Judy N. Lewis" <jnlewis@embarqmail. com> wrote:

                                                From Allen Churchill''s Pitt County Bride Index:
                                                ....
                                                Della Randolph, daughter of Chas R. Randolph, married on 1/24/1878 Jesse Downs
                                                ....
                                                R. A. Randolph, daughter of C A Randolph, married on 2/17/1892 Bynum Teel
                                                ....

                                                ..

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                                              • Judy N. Lewis
                                                I have no research on the Randolph or Downs families and know nothing about these families as these are not a part of my family lines.  I was just throwing
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                                                  I have no research on the Randolph or Downs families and know nothing about these families as these are not a part of my family lines.  I was just throwing out some info.

                                                  Judy
                                                  ----- Original Message -----
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                                                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 10:30:40 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
                                                  Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Randolph Marriages: Ruthie Warren & C. A. Randolph's daughters







                                                  Judy and Marcia,
                                                  I have DOWNS information, if you think this is the Della that married Jesse DOWNS.
                                                  1878 24th January Jesse P. DOWNS [age 29] son of Kinyin and Elizabeth DOWNS marries Della Randolph [age 18] daughter of Charles A. and Rutha Randolph, Belvoir, NC.
                                                  1880 Belvoir Post Office, Pitt County NC DOWNS, Jesse 30 WM, Deller 22 WF,
                                                  Ruthy 1 WF. 1890 Census burned. 1900 Pitt County, Belvoir, DOWNS, Jesse 56 WM, Della 47 WF, Rutha 20 WF, Lucie 7 wf [neice]. Although Cannan [Kenyon] and Elizabeth DOWNS are named as heirs of Jacob MAYO 1849 January 11th, DB 'MM' page 252,
                                                  Betty Cassidy and I are both convinced that Elizabeth's maiden name was BRILEY
                                                  and not MAYO. Wiley and Jesse P. were twins. Unable to find death certificate for Jesse but Wiley's death certificate staes DOB February 14th 1844, Wiley's DOD August 27th 1935, age 91 years, 6 months, 14 days. Father: Kenyon Downs and Mother: Betsy Briley. Informant: S.V. Clark. Williams Funeral Home G'ville, buried Windham [Windom] Graveyard. [Do not know where this cemetery is located] Pitt Co Death Index Vol 22,
                                                  page 468. Let me know what you think.
                                                  Martha-Gay Morton

                                                  --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Marcia McLawhorn < marcia_mclawhorn@... > wrote:

                                                  From: Marcia McLawhorn < marcia_mclawhorn@... >
                                                  Subject: [genpcncfir] Randolph Marriages: Ruthie Warren & C. A. Randolph's daughters
                                                  To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 7:34 PM

                                                  Judy,
                                                  Della Randolph, daughter of Chas R. Randolph, looks like she may be the Della Randolph [b:1859-1860] , daughter of Ruthie Warren & Charles Adams Randolph.
                                                  Eighteen for her wedding.

                                                  Jesse Downs, son of Elizabeth "Betsy" Mayo & Kenyon Downs, Jr. [b:1824] and twin of Wiley, is about the right age to be the Groom.

                                                  If R.A. Randolph, the daughter of C.A. Randolph, is also Annie Laura Randolph and Laura on the 1880 census, then her first name might be Ruth/Ruthie just like her mother...

                                                  - - - - -

                                                  Then C.A. Randolph & Chas R. Randolph are both Charles Adams Randolph, who had two wives: Ruthie Warren [should be on 1860 census] and Susan C. Jenkins [on 1880 census]
                                                  That would make Della and Annie Laura full sisters!

                                                  - - - - -

                                                  Looking at the other posts, it's unclear what race the family is that we are trying to find?
                                                  I've seen multiple incidences where neighboring families of different races naming their children similarly.
                                                  Marcia

                                                  "Judy N. Lewis" <jnlewis@embarqmail. com> wrote:

                                                  From Allen Churchill''s Pitt County Bride Index:
                                                  ....
                                                  Della Randolph, daughter of Chas R. Randolph, married on 1/24/1878 Jesse Downs
                                                  ....
                                                  R. A. Randolph, daughter of C A Randolph, married on 2/17/1892 Bynum Teel
                                                  ....

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                                                • Marcia McLawhorn
                                                  Martha, Thank you for sharing your info. I see you have done much research on this. Perhaps all of us working together will eake out the needed proof. Assuming
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                                                    Martha,
                                                    Thank you for sharing your info. I see you have done much research on this. Perhaps all of us working together will eake out the needed proof.

                                                    Assuming Feb 14 as Jesse's birth info and he turned 30 three weeks after his marriage, his birthyear was 1848 [or 1849 if he anticipated his birthday]. Did he fibbed on his marriage certificate or was his twin's death certificate provided the wrong age. The proof would be the on the 1850 census. Looking it up, Willie & Jesse were 1 year old on 1950 census!

                                                    Elizabeth's maiden name was BRILEY and not MAYO. Agreed! I had two husbands for Margaret and many children and was unsure which father was hers.
                                                    Marcia



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                                                  • Martha-Gay Morton
                                                    Marcia,   So glad to hear from you.   I am not a descendant [that I know of] of either the Downs or the Mayos, but my Hopkins Family were neighbors and I
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                                                      Marcia,
                                                       
                                                      So glad to hear from you.
                                                       
                                                      I am not a descendant [that I know of] of either the Downs or the Mayos, but my Hopkins Family were neighbors and I have done extensive work on the Downs, not very much on the Mayos. Be very glad to share what I have.
                                                       
                                                      Wiley and Jesse's birthday is the real 64K dollar question. In 1850 they are 1; 1860 they are 10; 1870 they are 21; 1880 Wiley is 32 and Jesse is 30; 1890 is burned; 1900 Wiley
                                                      is 59 and Jesse is 56; 1910 Wiley is 63. I have not found Jesse after 1900 so I just went with the age on Wiley's DC. Elizabeth and Kenyon Downs II [son of Kenyon I and Julia Ann Thomas] had the following children: Wiley, Jesse, Tillman G., Nehemiah Robert,
                                                      John William, Arthur Melton, Winnie Elizabeth and James A. Kenyon II m. 2nd Martha Jane Shivers and they had Ann Eliza. I have only found 3 DC's: Wiley, Winnie Eliz. and John. Mother on all 3 is Eliz./Betsy Briley/Brilly.
                                                       
                                                      Although there is no smoking gun I feel certain that Kenyon I is son of Nehemiah Downs
                                                      of Pitt County and his 1st wife, name unknown. [ND and my GGG-GF Arnold Hopkins had  a common land line on the Great Coneto Creek, very near Conetoe..
                                                       
                                                      I would be very happy to know the name of Margaret's first husband and the children. I have Jacob Mayo's children as: John [m. Appy Windom, d/o Isaiah Windom]] Bennet, Amos, Lewis, Nancy, Amy [not sure if she was a Mayo or a Briley, m.a Cobb], The
                                                      Briley children were: Elizabeth [m. Kenyon Downs II], Elkany and Allen [he is listed in the 1850 as Mayo but in the DOL as Briley. 
                                                       
                                                      Look forward to hearing from you.
                                                       
                                                      Martha-Gay MORTON

                                                      --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Marcia McLawhorn <marcia_mclawhorn@...> wrote:

                                                      From: Marcia McLawhorn <marcia_mclawhorn@...>
                                                      Subject: [genpcncfir] Randolph Marriages: Ruthie Warren & C. A. Randolph's daughters
                                                      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                      Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 9:51 AM






                                                      Martha,
                                                      Thank you for sharing your info. I see you have done much research on this. Perhaps all of us working together will eake out the needed proof.

                                                      Assuming Feb 14 as Jesse's birth info and he turned 30 three weeks after his marriage, his birthyear was 1848 [or 1849 if he anticipated his birthday].. Did he fibbed on his marriage certificate or was his twin's death certificate provided the wrong age. The proof would be the on the 1850 census. Looking it up, Willie & Jesse were 1 year old on 1950 census!

                                                      Elizabeth's maiden name was BRILEY and not MAYO. Agreed! I had two husbands for Margaret and many children and was unsure which father was hers.
                                                      Marcia

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                                                    • Marcia McLawhorn
                                                      Hi Martha, I too am not a researcher for either family, but some of the descendants of my lateral lines have a Mayo connections. Originally, I was responding
                                                      Message 26 of 27 , Nov 9, 2008
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                                                        Hi Martha,
                                                        I too am not a researcher for either family, but some of the descendants of my lateral lines have a Mayo connections. Originally, I was responding logically to data given by another.

                                                        The "rule of thumb" I use to resolve conflicting dates on reliable source(s) is to give preference to those records, which are closest to the actual event. Death certificates are primary sources for death dates, but secondary or tertiary for birth dates.

                                                        Research this morning indicates the data for 1850 - 1900 censuses were not only collected on Jun 1st, but were also based " as of Jun 1st " [not Jan 1st as I was thinking yesterday].

                                                        Here's my thoughts about twins, Jesse & Willy birth date:
                                                        1) They were born on Feb 14 based on Willy's death certificate. Most people and their families know on what month and day they are born!

                                                        2) They were born in 1849, based on the predominance of data that indicates that.
                                                        On 1 Jun 1950, they would be 16.5 months, whereas if they were born in 1848 they would be almost 30 months. Contributing thoughts are:

                                                        No new babies in the household to cause confusion;
                                                        Even if the information provider was unaware or uneducated, most can tell the difference between a 1 year old versus an older child;
                                                        With four children under 6, it was more likely mom was in the house when info was given.

                                                        In this case, the 1850 & 1860 census data agree with the 1849 year of birth.
                                                        Jesse's marriage certificate & 1870 census are only off by one year (they lost count?).
                                                        I am dismissive of later census data, as it may have been provided by a spouse or child, because he's out working.

                                                        I have to go out and do some shopping. I am planning to be on the east coast this next month. If I could check for info at Pitt County or elsewhere let me know. As soon as I have a firm schedule, I was thinking to be at a restaurant and send out "come and meet me" invites.
                                                        Sincerely, Marcia


                                                        Martha-Gay Morton <marthagay.morton@...> wrote:
                                                        Marcia,

                                                        So glad to hear from you.

                                                        I am not a descendant [that I know of] of either the Downs or the Mayos, but my Hopkins Family were neighbors and I have done extensive work on the Downs, not very much on the Mayos. Be very glad to share what I have.

                                                        Wiley and Jesse's birthday is the real 64K dollar question. In 1850 they are 1; 1860 they are 10; 1870 they are 21; 1880 Wiley is 32 and Jesse is 30; 1890 is burned; 1900 Wiley
                                                        is 59 and Jesse is 56; 1910 Wiley is 63. I have not found Jesse after 1900 so I just went with the age on Wiley's DC. Elizabeth and Kenyon Downs II [son of Kenyon I and Julia Ann Thomas] had the following children: Wiley, Jesse, Tillman G., Nehemiah Robert,
                                                        John William, Arthur Melton, Winnie Elizabeth and James A. Kenyon II m. 2nd Martha Jane Shivers and they had Ann Eliza. I have only found 3 DC's: Wiley, Winnie Eliz. and John. Mother on all 3 is Eliz./Betsy Briley/Brilly.

                                                        Although there is no smoking gun I feel certain that Kenyon I is son of Nehemiah Downs
                                                        of Pitt County and his 1st wife, name unknown. [ND and my GGG-GF Arnold Hopkins had a common land line on the Great Coneto Creek, very near Conetoe..

                                                        I would be very happy to know the name of Margaret's first husband and the children. I have Jacob Mayo's children as: John [m. Appy Windom, d/o Isaiah Windom]] Bennet, Amos, Lewis, Nancy, Amy [not sure if she was a Mayo or a Briley, m.a Cobb], The
                                                        Briley children were: Elizabeth [m. Kenyon Downs II], Elkany and Allen [he is listed in the 1850 as Mayo but in the DOL as Briley.

                                                        Look forward to hearing from you.

                                                        Martha-Gay MORTON

                                                        --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Marcia McLawhorn <marcia_mclawhorn@...> wrote:

                                                        From: Marcia McLawhorn <marcia_mclawhorn@...>
                                                        Subject: [genpcncfir] Randolph Marriages: Ruthie Warren & C. A. Randolph's daughters
                                                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                        Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 9:51 AM

                                                        Martha,
                                                        Thank you for sharing your info. I see you have done much research on this. Perhaps all of us working together will eake out the needed proof.

                                                        Assuming Feb 14 as Jesse's birth info and he turned 30 three weeks after his marriage, his birthyear was 1848 [or 1849 if he anticipated his birthday].. Did he fibbed on his marriage certificate or was his twin's death certificate provided the wrong age. The proof would be the on the 1850 census. Looking it up, Willie & Jesse were 1 year old on 1950 census!

                                                        Elizabeth's maiden name was BRILEY and not MAYO. Agreed! I had two husbands for Margaret and many children and was unsure which father was hers.
                                                        Marcia

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                                                      • Martha-Gay Morton
                                                        Marcia,   I live in Greenville, NC. If you are going to be in the neighborhood would like to meet you and talk genealogy. Also have some Deed info and glad to
                                                        Message 27 of 27 , Nov 9, 2008
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                                                          Marcia,
                                                           
                                                          I live in Greenville, NC. If you are going to be in the neighborhood would like to meet you and talk genealogy. Also have some Deed info and glad to share. Let me know your schedule.
                                                           
                                                          Martha-Gay

                                                          --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Marcia McLawhorn <marcia_mclawhorn@...> wrote:

                                                          From: Marcia McLawhorn <marcia_mclawhorn@...>
                                                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Randolph Marriages: Ruthie Warren & C. A. Randolph's daughters
                                                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                          Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 7:33 PM






                                                          Hi Martha,
                                                          I too am not a researcher for either family, but some of the descendants of my lateral lines have a Mayo connections. Originally, I was responding logically to data given by another.

                                                          The "rule of thumb" I use to resolve conflicting dates on reliable source(s) is to give preference to those records, which are closest to the actual event. Death certificates are primary sources for death dates, but secondary or tertiary for birth dates.

                                                          Research this morning indicates the data for 1850 - 1900 censuses were not only collected on Jun 1st, but were also based " as of Jun 1st " [not Jan 1st as I was thinking yesterday].

                                                          Here's my thoughts about twins, Jesse & Willy birth date:
                                                          1) They were born on Feb 14 based on Willy's death certificate. Most people and their families know on what month and day they are born!

                                                          2) They were born in 1849, based on the predominance of data that indicates that.
                                                          On 1 Jun 1950, they would be 16.5 months, whereas if they were born in 1848 they would be almost 30 months. Contributing thoughts are:

                                                          No new babies in the household to cause confusion;
                                                          Even if the information provider was unaware or uneducated, most can tell the difference between a 1 year old versus an older child;
                                                          With four children under 6, it was more likely mom was in the house when info was given.

                                                          In this case, the 1850 & 1860 census data agree with the 1849 year of birth..
                                                          Jesse's marriage certificate & 1870 census are only off by one year (they lost count?).
                                                          I am dismissive of later census data, as it may have been provided by a spouse or child, because he's out working.

                                                          I have to go out and do some shopping. I am planning to be on the east coast this next month. If I could check for info at Pitt County or elsewhere let me know. As soon as I have a firm schedule, I was thinking to be at a restaurant and send out "come and meet me" invites.
                                                          Sincerely, Marcia


                                                          Martha-Gay Morton <marthagay.morton@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                                                          Marcia,

                                                          So glad to hear from you.

                                                          I am not a descendant [that I know of] of either the Downs or the Mayos, but my Hopkins Family were neighbors and I have done extensive work on the Downs, not very much on the Mayos. Be very glad to share what I have.

                                                          Wiley and Jesse's birthday is the real 64K dollar question. In 1850 they are 1; 1860 they are 10; 1870 they are 21; 1880 Wiley is 32 and Jesse is 30; 1890 is burned; 1900 Wiley
                                                          is 59 and Jesse is 56; 1910 Wiley is 63. I have not found Jesse after 1900 so I just went with the age on Wiley's DC. Elizabeth and Kenyon Downs II [son of Kenyon I and Julia Ann Thomas] had the following children: Wiley, Jesse, Tillman G., Nehemiah Robert,
                                                          John William, Arthur Melton, Winnie Elizabeth and James A. Kenyon II m. 2nd Martha Jane Shivers and they had Ann Eliza. I have only found 3 DC's: Wiley, Winnie Eliz. and John. Mother on all 3 is Eliz./Betsy Briley/Brilly.

                                                          Although there is no smoking gun I feel certain that Kenyon I is son of Nehemiah Downs
                                                          of Pitt County and his 1st wife, name unknown. [ND and my GGG-GF Arnold Hopkins had a common land line on the Great Coneto Creek, very near Conetoe..

                                                          I would be very happy to know the name of Margaret's first husband and the children. I have Jacob Mayo's children as: John [m. Appy Windom, d/o Isaiah Windom]] Bennet, Amos, Lewis, Nancy, Amy [not sure if she was a Mayo or a Briley, m.a Cobb], The
                                                          Briley children were: Elizabeth [m. Kenyon Downs II], Elkany and Allen [he is listed in the 1850 as Mayo but in the DOL as Briley.

                                                          Look forward to hearing from you.

                                                          Martha-Gay MORTON

                                                          --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Marcia McLawhorn <marcia_mclawhorn@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                                          From: Marcia McLawhorn <marcia_mclawhorn@ yahoo.com>
                                                          Subject: [genpcncfir] Randolph Marriages: Ruthie Warren & C. A. Randolph's daughters
                                                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogro ups.com
                                                          Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 9:51 AM

                                                          Martha,
                                                          Thank you for sharing your info. I see you have done much research on this. Perhaps all of us working together will eake out the needed proof.

                                                          Assuming Feb 14 as Jesse's birth info and he turned 30 three weeks after his marriage, his birthyear was 1848 [or 1849 if he anticipated his birthday]... Did he fibbed on his marriage certificate or was his twin's death certificate provided the wrong age. The proof would be the on the 1850 census. Looking it up, Willie & Jesse were 1 year old on 1950 census!

                                                          Elizabeth's maiden name was BRILEY and not MAYO. Agreed! I had two husbands for Margaret and many children and was unsure which father was hers.
                                                          Marcia

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