- I would also like to get a copy of the gilmer map.
----- Original Message -----
From: L D Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] Re: Harris and Randolph families of western Pitt County, and a little more on Randolph's Landing...
how can i get a copy of the gilmer map?
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> From: liz_sparrow@...
> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 15:36:14 +0000
> Subject: [genpcncfir] Re: Harris and Randolph families of western Pitt County, and a little more on Randolph's Landing...
> Bob, thanks for calling my attention once again to the Gilmer map.
> I had never noticed the J. Harris residence near Mrs. Allen's so
> that's a clue I need to investigate. My great-grandfather John
> Spencer Harris would have been only 20 in 1863 and didn't marry
> until 1870, so I'm not sure if he's the one or not. Have you seen
> Harris Mill Run on a map, or do you just know where it is? I can't
> find it on my map. On the Gilmer map around Tyson's Creek, off of
> Hwy. 121, are several Harris homes that I know about. The oldest
> home now on Lemon Road was marked as the Overseer's home on the map
> (where Spencer was brought up and was the home of his father,
> Henry). An old road to Falkland (shortcut) used to go right by that
> house. We think that Spencer built a new home across the highway
> around 1850, shown as S. Harris on Gilmer's map; it has recently
> been lovingly restored by Tommy and Jeannette Painter. The one
> marked Henry Harris belonged to Spencer's oldest son who fought in
> the Civil War and lost an arm, I believe; the house has been moved
> and restored and belongs to a Pierce family, if I remember
> correctly. If you ever run across anything about the school on the
> Harris land, please let me know. Wow.....I love this stuff!
> About the Randolphs, My John Randolph married Sarah Ann Harris,
> daughter of Spencer, on 7-25-1854; Sarah Ann died the next year in
> childbirth. John could have married someone else before Sarah and
> lost her too, or it could just be another John Randolph. I enjoyed
> very much reading your recollections. When the weather is cooler
> and the snakes are gone, I may try to explore that area a bit. Those
> were the days.....
> Thanks again for your help..........Liz
> --- In email@example.com, "Bob Forbes" <bforbes@...> wrote:
> > Liz - What I know about the Harris and Randolph families of Pitt
> County NW of Greenville is mostly from Civil War maps and a few deed
> records. And in the case of the Randolphs, some census records and a
> marriage record from my family tree, plus some tidbits of oral
> neighborhood history.
> > I'll start with Gilmer's Civil War map that might give us a clue
> about the naming of Harris Mill Run. I can identify two Harris
> residences in the area from Gilmer's map. The residence of "J.
> Harris" is shown next to the Old Stantonsburg Rd., near its
> intersection (it's Hwy 264 Bus. at that point) with Allen Road
> today. A nearby house is labeled "Mrs. Allen" in fact... the Allen
> family for whom today's Allen Road must have been named. Its
> location is in the headwaters of of the southern branch of Harris
> Mill Run, so I suspect it is from that Harris land.
> > An "S. Harris" is shown on the road from Bruce to Farmville (State
> Road 121 today), not far from the Foreman and Cotten plantations. I
> read somewhere that this is the Mr. Harris who established a school
> on his plantation, which is also shown on this map. Interestingly,
> the school site is near the location of Falkland Elementary School
> today. I think you told me that this location is where your
> ancestral Harris is from. It is not clear whether the J. Harris and
> S. Harris shown on the Gilmer map were related, but I suspect they
> were. Their farms were separated by about 7-8 miles it appears, but
> in the 1860's there was basically nothing but the Glass House
> Pocosin between the two farms. Both farms appear to have been
> located between the Falkland Hwy to the north and the Old
> Stantonsburg Road to the south.
> > With respect to the Randolphs, I'll tell you what I know from
> memory. I may have more detailed info in my files but cannot get to
> it right now. The Randolph plantation covered most of the land that
> is now Ironwood Country Club property, on both sides of the Falkland
> Hwy east of Sam Tyson's Branch. As Bill mentioned, the Randolph
> manor house was on the south side of the road and there is still a
> cemetery hidden in the woods there, which I think Bill has
> documented. The Randolphs owned that land from the late 1700's thru
> the early 1900's as far as I can tell. They operated a popular
> landing on the river during that time, and its name stuck thru most
> of the 1900's as Randolph's Landing, aka Randolph's Barn, which it
> was called when I was growing up in the neighborhood in the 1950's
> and 60's. By that time, of course, it was no longer in use as a
> landing, but it was a favorite bank-fishing spot for people who
> lived around there. An old path went to the landing from behind our
> house, and the path looped back around behind Lennie Peaden's Store
> (formerly Colville's Store), which sat at what is now the main
> entrance to the Ironwood GC. I felt a lot of history when I walked
> and jogged that path as a boy... now I'm learning more in bits and
> pieces about it.
> > I caught some handsome bass, bream, and catfish while fishing
> there at Randolph's Barn in my boyhood... one time I was even
> frightened by a huge Atlantic Sturgeon that suddenly surfaced in the
> middle of the river, showing its long, serrated backside. Sturgeon
> swimming up the Tar River to spawn have been known to exceed 100
> lbs, and to me, a 10-12 year-old boy watching this one roll in the
> shallows next to a sand bar maybe 40 ft from where I stood, it could
> have just as well been the Loch Ness Monster. And I thought perhaps
> it was, until my Dad identified it as a sturgeon after I excitedly
> described it to him.
> > But I digressed. I do find one Randolph in my family tree
> records. He was John Randolph who married Lydia Olivia Eborn on
> April 26, 1849. Would that be your John Randolph? Also, some
> Randolphs were living in the household of my 2-gr-grand uncle Arthur
> Forbes during the 1850 census, I think. Can't get my hands on that
> right now. No doubt the Forbes and Randolph families knew each other
> well, for it appears their farms were next to each other for the
> whole 19th century, plus perhaps a few years on either side of it...
> > Thanks for inspiring me to document a bit of that knowledge; I
> especially enjoyed reliving my boyhood memory of glimpsing that
> awesome sturgeon for a few brief seconds at Randolph's Landing!
> > Bob Forbes
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: liz_sparrow
> > To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 9:32 PM
> > Subject: [genpcncfir] Re: Harris Mill Run and the Randolphs
> > About the Randolphs, I misread my notes about Jesse S. Randolph.
> > was not the father of John; instead he was the son of Sarah Ann
> > Harris and John Randolph and died as a newborn infant in 1855.
> > Liz
> > --- In email@example.com, "liz_sparrow" <liz_sparrow@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob, do you know for whom Harris Mill Run was named? My Harris
> > > ancestors (Timothy I and II, Henry, Spencer S., John Spencer,
> > etc.)
> > > owned land in the Falkland area between Farmville and Bruce
> > was
> > > close or adjacent to Cottendale and to the Foremans. I'm
> > > interested in collecting tidbits of information about any of
> > > so if you know about Harris Mill, I'd be delighted to hear.
> > > one of Spencer S. Harris's daughters, Sarah Ann (1834-1855),
> > married
> > > John Randolph in 1854, son of Jesse S. Randolph who died in
> > I
> > > believe, but Sarah Ann died at 21, probably during childbirth.
> > am
> > > assuming the Randolph Farm you mentioned belonged to the same
> > > family. Do you know anything about the Randolphs? Did they
> > in
> > > the area?
> > >
> > > Thanks......Liz
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "bforbes@" <bforbes@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes Faye, thanks for asking about that. The "Arthur Forbes
> > place"
> > > Henry
> > > > King spoke of on pg 22 of his book was the farm of my 2gr-
> > > uncle
> > > > Arthur Forbes (1806-1881), twin to my 2gr-grandfather Alfred
> > Forbes
> > > > (1806-1847). If you know the Falkland Hwy (NC 43N) between
> > > Greenville and
> > > > Falkland, Arthur Forbes's farm bordered that road from
> > Mill
> > > Run (the
> > > > 'deep bottom' below B's BBQ today) westward to about today's
> > > location of
> > > > Hwy 264 bypass, runniung north to the Tar River. His twin
> > brother
> > > Alfred
> > > > Forbes's farm started at about Hwy 264 Bypass today and ran
> > > westward to the
> > > > Randolph Farm which is now Ironwood Country Club, also
> > on
> > > the north
> > > > at the river.
> > > >
> > > >(clipped the rest....)
> > >
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