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  • lisascarola
    Jo, Sorry to hear your having such bad weather. Looks like the storm might move in our direction and hit Delmarva Sat. Lisa
    Message 1 of 15 , Aug 31, 2006
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      Jo,

      Sorry to hear your having such bad weather. Looks like the storm might
      move in our direction and hit Delmarva Sat.


      Lisa
    • Bob Forbes
      Looks like Weatherman Marvin was right on the money this time. A look at the satellite images shows the eye of storm smack dab over Pitt County right about
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        Looks like Weatherman Marvin was right on the money this time. A look at the satellite images shows the eye of storm smack dab over Pitt County right about now (6 AM Fri.), and still packing gusts up to 70 mph. I also saw a 24-hr rainfall map that showed some areas to the south of Pitt County have already received >10 inches, so plenty more people from Pitt County northward thru VA, MD, DE, and PA will be getting dumped on today and tomorrow.

        Except for a few rain bands, it largely missed us around Charlotte. We're thinking of y'all, sending reinforcements your way from the power companies and EMS crews, hoping to get things back to 'normal' as soon as possible. But Labor Day weekend looks to be living up to its name... a lot more time is going to be spent cleaning up than relaxing in eastern NC... such is the fate of one of the most hurricane-prone locations in the world:-(........

        Bob Forbes

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Trish Worthington Cobb
        To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:43 PM
        Subject: [genpcncfir] storm track


        Weatherman Marvin projects the track of Ernesto will go directly over
        Greenville (Pitt County) early in the morning, so I think
        Jacksonville is in the direct path. Not too worried here, but we
        expect over 6 inches of rain here and up to 9 inches in the northern
        NC counties of the storm's path. We have already had 3 inches.
        Stay alert for tornadoes throughout the night. There are warnings
        out now for Perquimans County (at 11:40 p.m.).
        Stay dry everybody.
        Trish

        On Aug 31, 2006, at 11:10 PM, Brenda Stocks wrote:

        > Evelyn, I'm thinking about you and wishing you well. I lived on
        > Barbour's Point between downtown Swansboro and the Bear Island
        > Ferry dock for about 8 years. I was there the summer of '96 when
        > our area was devastated by Bertha and Fran. You're right ....Onslow
        > Beach, Jacksonville and Swansboro were hardly mentioned.....it was
        > all about Wilmington and Wrightsville Beach.
        > I hope you stay safe and have minimal damage......and I certainly
        > hope you aren't without power very long. (we were without
        > electricity two weeks after Bertha)
        > Brenda
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Evelyn Hendricks
        > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:09 PM
        > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and
        > the Weather, of course...
        >
        >
        > Catherine,
        > Ernesto is supposed to hit us here in Jacksonville, NC in about
        > an hour. It will probably not be a direct hit since we are inland a
        > little, but the beaches will get the brunt of it. Of course, the
        > news media is saying Wilmington. They don't know we exist. It will
        > probably skirt around the edge of Wilmington unless it changes
        > course. We are already losing television reception. I don't know
        > how much longer the electricity will be on.
        > I'm glad it did not like your area. I hope it does not like us
        > too much and will soon leave and go somewhere else.
        > Evelyn
        >





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      • LdMel1@aol.com
        I have on your Mary Davis if you would like for me to send it to you. Also I have a picture of her. Email me if you like. She is not my blood line but two of
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          I have on your Mary Davis if you would like for me to send it to you. Also I have a picture of her.
          Email me if you like. She is not my blood line but two of her sons married into two of my lines. I can connect you with her ggranddaughter.

          Have a blessed day
          Linda


          -----Original Message-----
          From: doverton1@...
          To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 8:33 PM
          Subject: [genpcncfir] Re: Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and the Weather, of course...


          Bob, what you said about the Tuscarora's were most interesting. I agree with
          what you said. My gg grandmother Mary Davis (on my paternal side) was suppose
          to be full blood Indian. However, no one knows where she came from, or what
          tribe. I have been reading a lot of the history on the Tuscarora's. She had to
          be in the group that stayed in North Carolina. Very informative, thanks Bob.
          Yes, all of us in Galveston TX was watching Ernesto. Everyone be safe. My
          brother is in Blackwater VA, and he is watching closely.
          Dani
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        • Evelyn Hendricks
          We faired very well. We lost a small amount of siding off the house--a new one with the new vinyl siding that is so popular now. I don t like the stuff though.
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            We faired very well. We lost a small amount of siding off the house--a new one with the new vinyl siding that is so popular now. I don't like the stuff though. My husband and son are out now looking at our other property to see how much damage we received, if any. All in all, I think things went very well here. Thanks to all of you for your interest.
            Evelyn\

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Brenda Stocks
            To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:10 PM
            Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and the Weather, of course...


            Evelyn, I'm thinking about you and wishing you well. I lived on Barbour's Point between downtown Swansboro and the Bear Island Ferry dock for about 8 years. I was there the summer of '96 when our area was devastated by Bertha and Fran. You're right ....Onslow Beach, Jacksonville and Swansboro were hardly mentioned.....it was all about Wilmington and Wrightsville Beach.
            I hope you stay safe and have minimal damage......and I certainly hope you aren't without power very long. (we were without electricity two weeks after Bertha)
            Brenda
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Evelyn Hendricks
            To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:09 PM
            Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and the Weather, of course...

            Catherine,
            Ernesto is supposed to hit us here in Jacksonville, NC in about an hour. It will probably not be a direct hit since we are inland a little, but the beaches will get the brunt of it. Of course, the news media is saying Wilmington. They don't know we exist. It will probably skirt around the edge of Wilmington unless it changes course. We are already losing television reception. I don't know how much longer the electricity will be on.
            I'm glad it did not like your area. I hope it does not like us too much and will soon leave and go somewhere else.
            Evelyn

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Catherine
            To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:22 AM
            Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and the Weather, of course...

            Ernesto was forecast to hit us hard. Schools closed in preparation and homeowners (including me) brought in their lawn furniture and prepared for the worst.

            Fortunatly, Ernesto wimped out and we here in the Daytona area received no more then 2 inches of rain and not even enough wind to knock any branches off the trees. This was not even as bad as some of our normal afternoon thunderstorms.

            Unfortunatly, Ernesto is looking to get stronger and you may not be so lucky. I wish you much luck!

            I believe the book by the Southern Tuscarora tribe is written in timeline form. I will let you know more about it once I receive it. I plan on donating the book to a library when I am done with it. I don't know which library would want it but my first thought is the North Carolina Room at the New Hanover Library in Wilmington. I try to visit there every couple of years.

            I do appreciate your 'meanderings'. I love history but don't have the memory to retain so many facts and I appreciate those that do. You have been a big help in helping me formulate my ideas on how to write this paper. The funny thing is that I started off thinking I wouldn't have enough resources out there or enough information to put into 3000 words and now I'm wondering if my topic isn't narrow enough. I can't talk about the war without talking about the early history of the Tuscarora's or how they were treated by the colonists and why the war began in the first place. The war itself and the other indians tribes joining to fight against the Tuscarora's could also be lengthy. And I can't just end at the 'end' of the war but have to explain what happened afterwards. I also have to be careful because I've found some great web sites that sum all this up and I don't want to paraphrase or copy them closely. I wish I had the gift of words that you have!

            also,

            Carol, if you are reading this, can you email me offline? My email address is seadreamen@...

            Thanks!

            Catherine

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Bob Forbes
            To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:12 AM
            Subject: [genpcncfir] Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and the Weather, of course...

            Catherine - Your 'expertise' characterization of my meanderings flatters me, but thanks for reading my post about this interesting and tragic period in NC's early history. I will be interested to read a copy of your paper once submitted, as well as your review of the book you found on the Southern Band of Tuscarora's website. I have looked around the website some and am a bit amazed at the level of feelings and even personal resentments expressed there about the actions of some of our ancestors 300 years ago.

            Fighting for various reasons (mostly over land but often just for revenge) was a way of life among the Indians long before European colonists arrived. The colonial leaders recognized the tension between different Indian groups and figured (correctly in most cases) that they could slowly take the land without losing many settlers' lives, simply by taking advantage of long-running hostilities that were already in place, and continuing to pit one group of Indians against another. With the exception of the few times that Indians banded together to strike at the colonists (such as the 1711 massacre and others), the Colonial and US Indian strategies worked pretty well. Indians could certainly put together a dominant force during the sporadic occasions that they did agree to fight together, however, right on through the late 1800's. For proof of that, just take a brief look back at Custer's Last Stand...

            Our ancestors on both the American Indian and European sides (and many of us w/ old roots on American soil have both sides in our blood whether we know it or not) did pretty much what they had to do to survive. In most cases, that meant fighting for the land that provided their only source of food, shelter, and income. I don't have a lot of patience with groups of minorities who feel they are owed compensation or renumeration for the choices our ancestors made a couple of hundred years ago. Granted, many of their acts were indeed atrocious, but seems to me that no single group of people had a monopoly on atrocities... they were committed by all.

            I will agree it's been pretty much a rule throughout history, though, that whatever group of people is dominant at any given time generally creates the most atrocities during that time. In the case of our European ancestors who came to America, that meant breaking many treaties that were made with the Indians. We've tried to compensate for our guilt in those cases with political acts of favoritism today. In return for the white man's history of breaking treaties, for example, we give Indian tribes monopolies on gambling casinos in lots of places, along with various other concessions. Tit for tat, I suppose. But when all's said & done, I trust we remember that we're all Americans first and foremost.

            Will end this one with the most universal of all topics (well, maybe the 2nd most;-), that being the weather. Many of us in the SE US are getting a mite wet today, courtesy of TS (and maybe little Hurricane, before it's over) Ernesto. We've already had some flash-flooding in the Charlotte area from the first rain band that came thru last night, and there will likely be a couple more later today. Latest satellite look at Accuweather.com (7 AM 8/31) shows Ernesto tightening right back into a classical cyclone shape as he settles over the Gulf Stream east of Jacksonville, FL, before heading north, and bound to get a little stronger before visiting eastern NC tonight - likely near Wilmington and not far from another Jacksonville. Folks from that area and due north thru the eastern seaboard are going to get drenched.... so let's pick up the trash, clear the storm drains, bring in the lawn furniture, and get ready for a soaking!

            Bob Forbes
            bforbes@...

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Catherine
            To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:58 PM
            Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tuscarora Indian War of 1711-13
            Thank you so much Bob for listing your favorite sources. That will be a big
            help! I loved reading your summary of events and had no idea that my
            request would be answered by someone with such expertise! I am ever so
            grateful. I will send you a copy of my paper once I have completed it.

            I found the Lawson journal is available though my college library as an
            e-book and that will be a big help. I am also purchasing a book that I
            found through the Southern Band of Tuscarora's web site called
            "Onkwehonweh-the first people-Tuscarora". If you have not seen this book,
            then I will be glad to give you a review of it once I have seen it.

            I will try to get the North Carolina Indian book through interlibrary loan.
            Thank you so much for giving me such a great start!

            Catherine

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          • Evelyn Hendricks
            JO, I expect Wrightsville Beach must be about fifty miles from us. Wilmington is fifty miles, but to go to Wrightsville you take a different road. I expect the
            Message 5 of 15 , Sep 1, 2006
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              JO,
              I expect Wrightsville Beach must be about fifty miles from us. Wilmington is fifty miles, but to go to Wrightsville you take a different road. I expect the distance is about the same. I have never really measured it. It takes about an hour to get there.
              Evelyn
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Jo Webb
              To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:07 PM
              Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Re: Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and the Weather, of course...


              Lisa,
              I am in North Carolina and we are expecting to get up to 9 inches of rain by tomorrow. We got 3 inches yesterday and today.

              Jo
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: lisascarola
              To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:51 PM
              Subject: [genpcncfir] Re: Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and the Weather, of course...

              Evelyn,

              How far are you from Wrightsville Beach?
              My great Aunt lives there and I love it. Spent many summers there and
              haven't been in years. Another of my great Aunts (now deceased) had a
              Hair Salon in Wilmington for many years all I remember was it was near
              the USS North Carolina cause we always visited both in the same day.
              I hope everything goes well and the storm leaves you in safety.
              My husband has been running between Florida, Mississippi, and NC, the
              past few days and has managed to stay ahead of the storm, just know he
              has to go thru NC again tomorrow on his return home.

              Best Wishes!
              Lisa

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            • Carol Singh
              Dear Trish, We had a couple of hundred or so houses under water when a sewage line backed up. This neighborhood was about a mile from me. I felt awfully sorry
              Message 6 of 15 , Sep 5, 2006
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                Dear Trish,
                We had a couple of hundred or so houses under water
                when a sewage line backed up. This neighborhood was
                about a mile from me. I felt awfully sorry for those
                people. One man had put an addition on his house. The
                carpenters left just hours before the hurricane
                struck. His entire house, addition and all, was
                ruined. Most in the neighborhood suffered nearly total
                or total losses.
                For the rest, this entire area has an abundance of
                old trees. Again we were devastated by the number of
                toppled trees. In returning home from work Friday, I
                had to detour because one of these trees had fallen
                across the road. Residents could not return home until
                the tree had been removed. There was no other route to
                take, no detour.
                Fortunately, there were few injuries and even fewer
                deaths.
                Later, Carol

                --- Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@...>
                wrote:

                > Weatherman Marvin projects the track of Ernesto will
                > go directly over
                > Greenville (Pitt County) early in the morning, so I
                > think
                > Jacksonville is in the direct path. Not too worried
                > here, but we
                > expect over 6 inches of rain here and up to 9 inches
                > in the northern
                > NC counties of the storm's path. We have already had
                > 3 inches.
                > Stay alert for tornadoes throughout the night.
                > There are warnings
                > out now for Perquimans County (at 11:40 p.m.).
                > Stay dry everybody.
                > Trish
                >
                >
                > On Aug 31, 2006, at 11:10 PM, Brenda Stocks wrote:
                >
                > > Evelyn, I'm thinking about you and wishing you
                > well. I lived on
                > > Barbour's Point between downtown Swansboro and the
                > Bear Island
                > > Ferry dock for about 8 years. I was there the
                > summer of '96 when
                > > our area was devastated by Bertha and Fran. You're
                > right ....Onslow
                > > Beach, Jacksonville and Swansboro were hardly
                > mentioned.....it was
                > > all about Wilmington and Wrightsville Beach.
                > > I hope you stay safe and have minimal
                > damage......and I certainly
                > > hope you aren't without power very long. (we were
                > without
                > > electricity two weeks after Bertha)
                > > Brenda
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: Evelyn Hendricks
                > > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:09 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Some thoughts on the
                > Indian Wars, and
                > > the Weather, of course...
                > >
                > >
                > > Catherine,
                > > Ernesto is supposed to hit us here in
                > Jacksonville, NC in about
                > > an hour. It will probably not be a direct hit
                > since we are inland a
                > > little, but the beaches will get the brunt of it.
                > Of course, the
                > > news media is saying Wilmington. They don't know
                > we exist. It will
                > > probably skirt around the edge of Wilmington
                > unless it changes
                > > course. We are already losing television
                > reception. I don't know
                > > how much longer the electricity will be on.
                > > I'm glad it did not like your area. I hope it
                > does not like us
                > > too much and will soon leave and go somewhere
                > else.
                > > Evelyn
                > >
                >
                >


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              • Carol Singh
                Dear Bob, Well-stated, as usual. As one popular song has it, Yesterday s gone, and tomorrow may never be mine. Give me today what I need today, one day at a
                Message 7 of 15 , Sep 5, 2006
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                  Dear Bob,
                  Well-stated, as usual. As one popular song has it,
                  "Yesterday's gone, and tomorrow may never be mine.
                  Give me today what I need today, one day at a time."
                  For the rest, if we chose to recount it, I feel
                  sure that every single one of us could recall an
                  incident where somebody hurt us or our feelings and
                  mark that as the turn-for-the-worse in our fortunes.
                  Still, I'd follow Mama's example.
                  "Get up. Dust off your britches, and keep going.
                  Anything can be a stumbling block or a stepping
                  stone. It's what you make it."
                  Later, Carol

                  --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:

                  > Catherine - Your 'expertise' characterization of my
                  > meanderings flatters me, but thanks for reading my
                  > post about this interesting and tragic period in
                  > NC's early history. I will be interested to read a
                  > copy of your paper once submitted, as well as your
                  > review of the book you found on the Southern Band of
                  > Tuscarora's website. I have looked around the
                  > website some and am a bit amazed at the level of
                  > feelings and even personal resentments expressed
                  > there about the actions of some of our ancestors 300
                  > years ago.
                  >
                  > Fighting for various reasons (mostly over land but
                  > often just for revenge) was a way of life among the
                  > Indians long before European colonists arrived. The
                  > colonial leaders recognized the tension between
                  > different Indian groups and figured (correctly in
                  > most cases) that they could slowly take the land
                  > without losing many settlers' lives, simply by
                  > taking advantage of long-running hostilities that
                  > were already in place, and continuing to pit one
                  > group of Indians against another. With the exception
                  > of the few times that Indians banded together to
                  > strike at the colonists (such as the 1711 massacre
                  > and others), the Colonial and US Indian strategies
                  > worked pretty well. Indians could certainly put
                  > together a dominant force during the sporadic
                  > occasions that they did agree to fight together,
                  > however, right on through the late 1800's. For proof
                  > of that, just take a brief look back at Custer's
                  > Last Stand...
                  >
                  > Our ancestors on both the American Indian and
                  > European sides (and many of us w/ old roots on
                  > American soil have both sides in our blood whether
                  > we know it or not) did pretty much what they had to
                  > do to survive. In most cases, that meant fighting
                  > for the land that provided their only source of
                  > food, shelter, and income. I don't have a lot of
                  > patience with groups of minorities who feel they are
                  > owed compensation or renumeration for the choices
                  > our ancestors made a couple of hundred years ago.
                  > Granted, many of their acts were indeed atrocious,
                  > but seems to me that no single group of people had a
                  > monopoly on atrocities... they were committed by
                  > all.
                  >
                  > I will agree it's been pretty much a rule throughout
                  > history, though, that whatever group of people is
                  > dominant at any given time generally creates the
                  > most atrocities during that time. In the case of our
                  > European ancestors who came to America, that meant
                  > breaking many treaties that were made with the
                  > Indians. We've tried to compensate for our guilt in
                  > those cases with political acts of favoritism today.
                  > In return for the white man's history of breaking
                  > treaties, for example, we give Indian tribes
                  > monopolies on gambling casinos in lots of places,
                  > along with various other concessions. Tit for tat, I
                  > suppose. But when all's said & done, I trust we
                  > remember that we're all Americans first and
                  > foremost.
                  >
                  > Will end this one with the most universal of all
                  > topics (well, maybe the 2nd most;-), that being the
                  > weather. Many of us in the SE US are getting a mite
                  > wet today, courtesy of TS (and maybe little
                  > Hurricane, before it's over) Ernesto. We've already
                  > had some flash-flooding in the Charlotte area from
                  > the first rain band that came thru last night, and
                  > there will likely be a couple more later today.
                  > Latest satellite look at Accuweather.com (7 AM 8/31)
                  > shows Ernesto tightening right back into a classical
                  > cyclone shape as he settles over the Gulf Stream
                  > east of Jacksonville, FL, before heading north, and
                  > bound to get a little stronger before visiting
                  > eastern NC tonight - likely near Wilmington and not
                  > far from another Jacksonville. Folks from that area
                  > and due north thru the eastern seaboard are going to
                  > get drenched.... so let's pick up the trash, clear
                  > the storm drains, bring in the lawn furniture, and
                  > get ready for a soaking!
                  >
                  > Bob Forbes
                  > bforbes@...
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Catherine
                  > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:58 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tuscarora Indian War of
                  > 1711-13
                  > Thank you so much Bob for listing your favorite
                  > sources. That will be a big
                  > help! I loved reading your summary of events and
                  > had no idea that my
                  > request would be answered by someone with such
                  > expertise! I am ever so
                  > grateful. I will send you a copy of my paper once
                  > I have completed it.
                  >
                  > I found the Lawson journal is available though my
                  > college library as an
                  > e-book and that will be a big help. I am also
                  > purchasing a book that I
                  > found through the Southern Band of Tuscarora's web
                  > site called
                  > "Onkwehonweh-the first people-Tuscarora". If you
                  > have not seen this book,
                  > then I will be glad to give you a review of it
                  > once I have seen it.
                  >
                  > I will try to get the North Carolina Indian book
                  > through interlibrary loan.
                  > Thank you so much for giving me such a great
                  > start!
                  >
                  > Catherine
                  >
                  >
                  > .
                  >
                  >
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