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    • Bob Forbes
      Thanks for forwarding the CNN.com article about all the great research that is going on Stagville Plantation to identify many of the slaves who worked there
      Message 2 of 28 , Jan 16, 2006
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        Thanks for forwarding the CNN.com article about all the great research that
        is going on Stagville Plantation to identify many of the slaves who worked
        there and connect them to their descendants... especially appropriate on
        this day that honors the great civil-rights leader, Martin Luther King, Jr.
        It has required the passage of many years since the Emancipation
        Proclamation to break through the barriers of Jim Crow and black/white
        segregation, finally to be able to acknowledge and conduct diligent research
        on a sometimes shameful period in our past, that of the Antebellum South.

        I have a little trouble with an assumption that is stated near the end of
        the article, however, referring to a somber photograph of a black woman, Amy
        Shaw, who was born into slavery at Stagville. It's at the end of the article
        when a somber expression of the woman in the photograph is linked with this
        statement: "If this were my grandmother and I knew someone treated her that
        way, I would ache." The article does nothing to explain the term "that way"
        any further, so one is simply left with conjecture. But I'd like to know if
        anyone has a photograph from the period of say, 1860-1890, that shows its
        subjects with anything but somber expressions. I have seen a lot of
        photographs from that era, and have yet to see a smile in a single one of
        them.

        Not to say that the woman who was born into slavery was treated as an equal
        in a segregated society. We all know that she wasn't. I think it's unfair
        to history, however, to assume that all slaves were abused. I have evidence
        from my family line that some slaves earned their way into more privileged
        ranks of that stratified society... by educating themselves, taking on
        responsible tasks, performing feats of heroism or bravery, etc. Some
        fortunate ones (and we all know that fortune in most cases is partly earned
        and partly circumstance) were awarded their freedom as well as grants of
        land from their former owners... before the Civil War. Yet, many other
        slaves were certainly abused and disrespected, as were several generations
        of their descendants.

        Look around you in today's largely integrated society, and notice how much
        has changed. While many in my generation grew up in segregation and still
        see the world partially throught that prism, I honestly don't think my
        children see different skin colors in their peers as making people any
        different at all. But they do notice the things that truly make people
        different, which are our actions, attitudes, behaviors, and overall
        character.

        No one is alive today who can tell us about growing up in slavery in the
        U.S. (maybe other countries, but not ours), so we don't have first-hand
        accounts to help us. We have a lot written down to shed light on racial
        relations from those days, however, and I'd encourage folks to read some
        first-hand accounts with open eyes, such as the slave narrative of Anthony
        Dawson, or the records of of Briery Swamp Primitive Baptist Church, from
        recent issues of PCGQ. There are some absolutely amazing things in those
        articles. Would that I had more time to write about them!

        Some of you will remember one of the first serious endeavors (in modern
        times at least) by a black American to research his lineage back to Africa,
        which resulted in a book called "Roots," by Alex Haley in the 1970's. That
        book prompted a number of African Americans to research their roots, many of
        them taking organized tours to Africa to learn more about their ancestors.
        Around 1980 I met a man who was working in Africa and observed a number of
        those tours and he told me something I'll never forget. He said that the
        line most often heard by an African American after spending a few days back
        in Africa was, "Thank God great-granddaddy was a slave brought to America!"

        Happy MLK Day to All,

        Bob Forbes
        bforbes@...


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      • Faye Silliman
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          Well said.

          --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:

          > Thanks for forwarding the CNN.com article about all
          > the great research that
          > is going on Stagville Plantation to identify many of
          > the slaves who worked
          > there and connect them to their descendants...
          > especially appropriate on
          > this day that honors the great civil-rights leader,
          > Martin Luther King, Jr.
          > It has required the passage of many years since the
          > Emancipation
          > Proclamation to break through the barriers of Jim
          > Crow and black/white
          > segregation, finally to be able to acknowledge and
          > conduct diligent research
          > on a sometimes shameful period in our past, that of
          > the Antebellum South.
          >
          > I have a little trouble with an assumption that is
          > stated near the end of
          > the article, however, referring to a somber
          > photograph of a black woman, Amy
          > Shaw, who was born into slavery at Stagville. It's
          > at the end of the article
          > when a somber expression of the woman in the
          > photograph is linked with this
          > statement: "If this were my grandmother and I knew
          > someone treated her that
          > way, I would ache." The article does nothing to
          > explain the term "that way"
          > any further, so one is simply left with conjecture.
          > But I'd like to know if
          > anyone has a photograph from the period of say,
          > 1860-1890, that shows its
          > subjects with anything but somber expressions. I
          > have seen a lot of
          > photographs from that era, and have yet to see a
          > smile in a single one of
          > them.
          >
          > Not to say that the woman who was born into slavery
          > was treated as an equal
          > in a segregated society. We all know that she
          > wasn't. I think it's unfair
          > to history, however, to assume that all slaves were
          > abused. I have evidence
          > from my family line that some slaves earned their
          > way into more privileged
          > ranks of that stratified society... by educating
          > themselves, taking on
          > responsible tasks, performing feats of heroism or
          > bravery, etc. Some
          > fortunate ones (and we all know that fortune in most
          > cases is partly earned
          > and partly circumstance) were awarded their freedom
          > as well as grants of
          > land from their former owners... before the Civil
          > War. Yet, many other
          > slaves were certainly abused and disrespected, as
          > were several generations
          > of their descendants.
          >
          > Look around you in today's largely integrated
          > society, and notice how much
          > has changed. While many in my generation grew up in
          > segregation and still
          > see the world partially throught that prism, I
          > honestly don't think my
          > children see different skin colors in their peers as
          > making people any
          > different at all. But they do notice the things that
          > truly make people
          > different, which are our actions, attitudes,
          > behaviors, and overall
          > character.
          >
          > No one is alive today who can tell us about growing
          > up in slavery in the
          > U.S. (maybe other countries, but not ours), so we
          > don't have first-hand
          > accounts to help us. We have a lot written down to
          > shed light on racial
          > relations from those days, however, and I'd
          > encourage folks to read some
          > first-hand accounts with open eyes, such as the
          > slave narrative of Anthony
          > Dawson, or the records of of Briery Swamp Primitive
          > Baptist Church, from
          > recent issues of PCGQ. There are some absolutely
          > amazing things in those
          > articles. Would that I had more time to write about
          > them!
          >
          > Some of you will remember one of the first serious
          > endeavors (in modern
          > times at least) by a black American to research his
          > lineage back to Africa,
          > which resulted in a book called "Roots," by Alex
          > Haley in the 1970's. That
          > book prompted a number of African Americans to
          > research their roots, many of
          > them taking organized tours to Africa to learn more
          > about their ancestors.
          > Around 1980 I met a man who was working in Africa
          > and observed a number of
          > those tours and he told me something I'll never
          > forget. He said that the
          > line most often heard by an African American after
          > spending a few days back
          > in Africa was, "Thank God great-granddaddy was a
          > slave brought to America!"
          >
          > Happy MLK Day to All,
          >
          > Bob Forbes
          > bforbes@...
          >
          >
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        • Paula Baker
          Bob, And, a lot of people didn t smile because they didn t have teeth. It was a matter of pride. Paula Anne Baker paulabaker69@hotmail.com Researching BAKER,
          Message 4 of 28 , Jan 16, 2006
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            Bob,
            And, a lot of people didn't smile because they didn't have teeth. It was a
            matter of pride.



            Paula Anne Baker
            paulabaker69@...
            Researching BAKER, MANNING, TYSON, STOCKS AND OTHERS in Pitt County NC and
            Greene County NC
            and COLE, NORMAN, WHITE, SUTTON AND OTHERS in SC, GA, and LA




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            From: "Bob Forbes" <bforbes@...>
            Reply-To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
            To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
            Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of former slaves coming
            together - Dec 29, 2005
            Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:43:09 -0500

            Thanks for forwarding the CNN.com article about all the great research that
            is going on Stagville Plantation to identify many of the slaves who worked
            there and connect them to their descendants... especially appropriate on
            this day that honors the great civil-rights leader, Martin Luther King, Jr.
            It has required the passage of many years since the Emancipation
            Proclamation to break through the barriers of Jim Crow and black/white
            segregation, finally to be able to acknowledge and conduct diligent research
            on a sometimes shameful period in our past, that of the Antebellum South.

            I have a little trouble with an assumption that is stated near the end of
            the article, however, referring to a somber photograph of a black woman, Amy
            Shaw, who was born into slavery at Stagville. It's at the end of the article
            when a somber expression of the woman in the photograph is linked with this
            statement: "If this were my grandmother and I knew someone treated her that
            way, I would ache." The article does nothing to explain the term "that way"
            any further, so one is simply left with conjecture. But I'd like to know if
            anyone has a photograph from the period of say, 1860-1890, that shows its
            subjects with anything but somber expressions. I have seen a lot of
            photographs from that era, and have yet to see a smile in a single one of
            them.

            Not to say that the woman who was born into slavery was treated as an equal
            in a segregated society. We all know that she wasn't. I think it's unfair
            to history, however, to assume that all slaves were abused. I have evidence
            from my family line that some slaves earned their way into more privileged
            ranks of that stratified society... by educating themselves, taking on
            responsible tasks, performing feats of heroism or bravery, etc. Some
            fortunate ones (and we all know that fortune in most cases is partly earned
            and partly circumstance) were awarded their freedom as well as grants of
            land from their former owners... before the Civil War. Yet, many other
            slaves were certainly abused and disrespected, as were several generations
            of their descendants.

            Look around you in today's largely integrated society, and notice how much
            has changed. While many in my generation grew up in segregation and still
            see the world partially throught that prism, I honestly don't think my
            children see different skin colors in their peers as making people any
            different at all. But they do notice the things that truly make people
            different, which are our actions, attitudes, behaviors, and overall
            character.

            No one is alive today who can tell us about growing up in slavery in the
            U.S. (maybe other countries, but not ours), so we don't have first-hand
            accounts to help us. We have a lot written down to shed light on racial
            relations from those days, however, and I'd encourage folks to read some
            first-hand accounts with open eyes, such as the slave narrative of Anthony
            Dawson, or the records of of Briery Swamp Primitive Baptist Church, from
            recent issues of PCGQ. There are some absolutely amazing things in those
            articles. Would that I had more time to write about them!

            Some of you will remember one of the first serious endeavors (in modern
            times at least) by a black American to research his lineage back to Africa,
            which resulted in a book called "Roots," by Alex Haley in the 1970's. That
            book prompted a number of African Americans to research their roots, many of
            them taking organized tours to Africa to learn more about their ancestors.
            Around 1980 I met a man who was working in Africa and observed a number of
            those tours and he told me something I'll never forget. He said that the
            line most often heard by an African American after spending a few days back
            in Africa was, "Thank God great-granddaddy was a slave brought to America!"

            Happy MLK Day to All,

            Bob Forbes
            bforbes@...


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          • Bob Forbes
            Paula - Perhaps, or they just felt that the teeth they had weren t all that photogenic. I also think that for many years thru the early 1900 s it was a
            Message 5 of 28 , Jan 17, 2006
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              Paula - Perhaps, or they just felt that the teeth they had weren't all that
              photogenic. I also think that for many years thru the early 1900's it was a
              cultural taboo to smile when being photographed, good teeth or not. A smile
              may have looked disrespectful and frivolous during a time when living day to
              day was mostly grim and serious business. Also, they may have realized how
              long a photograph could last and wanted their unborn descendants to
              appreciate their lives and struggles.
              Yes, I think pride and dignity, sprinkled with humility, had a lot to do
              with all those somber expressions and poses.
              Thanks for responding,
              Bob Forbes

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Paula Baker" <paulabaker69@...>
              To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:26 PM
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              together - Dec 29, 2005


              > Bob,
              > And, a lot of people didn't smile because they didn't have teeth. It was
              > a matter of pride.
              >
              >
              >
            • Stephen Scurletis
              In the CNN article, the part that said: The work is difficult, hindered by a lack of birth certificates, which often were not issued for slaves or were
              Message 6 of 28 , Jan 17, 2006
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                In the CNN article, the part that said:

                "The work is difficult, hindered by a lack of birth certificates, which
                often were not issued for slaves or were incomplete."

                is a bit inaccurate, since no one in NC, slave or free, had a birth
                certificate if they were born before 1913 or so (I forget the exact year),
                since that's when NC first starting requiring registering of births and
                issuing birth certificates.

                Stephen Scurletis
                sscurletis@...

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              • Carol Singh
                Dear Bob & Group, Having nothing better to do one day, I signed up for a photography class. My teacher happened to be an avid photographic history buff. She
                Message 7 of 28 , Jan 17, 2006
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                  Dear Bob & Group,
                  Having nothing better to do one day, I signed up
                  for a photography class. My teacher happened to be an
                  avid photographic history buff. She gave a most
                  inspiring presentation on what it was like to "sit"
                  for a photograph during the early days of photography.
                  According to her, the subject(s) had to sit/stand
                  frozen in their poses for about two minutes. They were
                  told not to move a muscle! Under such conditions who
                  would have wanted to smile even if he could have?
                  Later, Carol

                  --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:

                  > Paula - Perhaps, or they just felt that the teeth
                  > they had weren't all that
                  > photogenic. I also think that for many years thru
                  > the early 1900's it was a
                  > cultural taboo to smile when being photographed,
                  > good teeth or not. A smile
                  > may have looked disrespectful and frivolous during a
                  > time when living day to
                  > day was mostly grim and serious business. Also, they
                  > may have realized how
                  > long a photograph could last and wanted their unborn
                  > descendants to
                  > appreciate their lives and struggles.
                  > Yes, I think pride and dignity, sprinkled with
                  > humility, had a lot to do
                  > with all those somber expressions and poses.
                  > Thanks for responding,
                  > Bob Forbes
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "Paula Baker" <paulabaker69@...>
                  > To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:26 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                  > former slaves coming
                  > together - Dec 29, 2005
                  >
                  >
                  > > Bob,
                  > > And, a lot of people didn't smile because they
                  > didn't have teeth. It was
                  > > a matter of pride.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                  >


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                • Bob Forbes
                  Dear Group, Doh! I must concede to Carol s simpler, yet superior splanation bout dis heah pitcher-takin bidness o days gone by, Til next one, Cuzzin Bob
                  Message 8 of 28 , Jan 17, 2006
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                    Dear Group,
                    Doh! I must concede to Carol's simpler, yet superior 'splanation 'bout dis
                    heah pitcher-takin' bidness o' days gone by,
                    Til next one,
                    Cuzzin Bob
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                    To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:38 PM
                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of former slaves coming
                    together - Dec 29, 2005


                    > Dear Bob & Group,
                    > Having nothing better to do one day, I signed up
                    > for a photography class. My teacher happened to be an
                    > avid photographic history buff. She gave a most
                    > inspiring presentation on what it was like to "sit"
                    > for a photograph during the early days of photography.
                    > According to her, the subject(s) had to sit/stand
                    > frozen in their poses for about two minutes. They were
                    > told not to move a muscle! Under such conditions who
                    > would have wanted to smile even if he could have?
                    > Later, Carol
                    >
                    > --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >> Paula - Perhaps, or they just felt that the teeth
                    >> they had weren't all that
                    >> photogenic. I also think that for many years thru
                    >> the early 1900's it was a
                    >> cultural taboo to smile when being photographed,
                    >> good teeth or not. A smile
                    >> may have looked disrespectful and frivolous during a
                    >> time when living day to
                    >> day was mostly grim and serious business. Also, they
                    >> may have realized how
                    >> long a photograph could last and wanted their unborn
                    >> descendants to
                    >> appreciate their lives and struggles.
                    >> Yes, I think pride and dignity, sprinkled with
                    >> humility, had a lot to do
                    >> with all those somber expressions and poses.
                    >> Thanks for responding,
                    >> Bob Forbes
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: "Paula Baker" <paulabaker69@...>
                    >> To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                    >> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:26 PM
                    >> Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                    >> former slaves coming
                    >> together - Dec 29, 2005
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> > Bob,
                    >> > And, a lot of people didn't smile because they
                    >> didn't have teeth. It was
                    >> > a matter of pride.
                    >> >
                  • Rhet Wilkinson
                    We can always count on you to have an insightful view of things. Thank you for your comments. As you have stated slavery was indeed an awful thing. But you
                    Message 9 of 28 , Jan 18, 2006
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                      We can always count on you to have an insightful view of things. Thank you for your comments. As you have stated slavery was indeed an awful thing. But you were right about the somber expressions on all photo's I have seen on my ancestors. I have a picture of my great great grandparents in front of me right now and they appear to have never have had a happy day in their lives. Also in reading many wills from North and South Carolina I have seen many slave owners that have left their slaves to their widows for their lifetimes and then left instructions that they be freed on the widows deaths. Rhet
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                      Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:43 AM
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                      Thanks for forwarding the CNN.com article about all the great research that
                      is going on Stagville Plantation to identify many of the slaves who worked
                      there and connect them to their descendants... especially appropriate on
                      this day that honors the great civil-rights leader, Martin Luther King, Jr.
                      It has required the passage of many years since the Emancipation
                      Proclamation to break through the barriers of Jim Crow and black/white
                      segregation, finally to be able to acknowledge and conduct diligent research
                      on a sometimes shameful period in our past, that of the Antebellum South.

                      I have a little trouble with an assumption that is stated near the end of
                      the article, however, referring to a somber photograph of a black woman, Amy
                      Shaw, who was born into slavery at Stagville. It's at the end of the article
                      when a somber expression of the woman in the photograph is linked with this
                      statement: "If this were my grandmother and I knew someone treated her that
                      way, I would ache." The article does nothing to explain the term "that way"
                      any further, so one is simply left with conjecture. But I'd like to know if
                      anyone has a photograph from the period of say, 1860-1890, that shows its
                      subjects with anything but somber expressions. I have seen a lot of
                      photographs from that era, and have yet to see a smile in a single one of
                      them.

                      Not to say that the woman who was born into slavery was treated as an equal
                      in a segregated society. We all know that she wasn't. I think it's unfair
                      to history, however, to assume that all slaves were abused. I have evidence
                      from my family line that some slaves earned their way into more privileged
                      ranks of that stratified society... by educating themselves, taking on
                      responsible tasks, performing feats of heroism or bravery, etc. Some
                      fortunate ones (and we all know that fortune in most cases is partly earned
                      and partly circumstance) were awarded their freedom as well as grants of
                      land from their former owners... before the Civil War. Yet, many other
                      slaves were certainly abused and disrespected, as were several generations
                      of their descendants.

                      Look around you in today's largely integrated society, and notice how much
                      has changed. While many in my generation grew up in segregation and still
                      see the world partially throught that prism, I honestly don't think my
                      children see different skin colors in their peers as making people any
                      different at all. But they do notice the things that truly make people
                      different, which are our actions, attitudes, behaviors, and overall
                      character.

                      No one is alive today who can tell us about growing up in slavery in the
                      U.S. (maybe other countries, but not ours), so we don't have first-hand
                      accounts to help us. We have a lot written down to shed light on racial
                      relations from those days, however, and I'd encourage folks to read some
                      first-hand accounts with open eyes, such as the slave narrative of Anthony
                      Dawson, or the records of of Briery Swamp Primitive Baptist Church, from
                      recent issues of PCGQ. There are some absolutely amazing things in those
                      articles. Would that I had more time to write about them!

                      Some of you will remember one of the first serious endeavors (in modern
                      times at least) by a black American to research his lineage back to Africa,
                      which resulted in a book called "Roots," by Alex Haley in the 1970's. That
                      book prompted a number of African Americans to research their roots, many of
                      them taking organized tours to Africa to learn more about their ancestors.
                      Around 1980 I met a man who was working in Africa and observed a number of
                      those tours and he told me something I'll never forget. He said that the
                      line most often heard by an African American after spending a few days back
                      in Africa was, "Thank God great-granddaddy was a slave brought to America!"

                      Happy MLK Day to All,

                      Bob Forbes
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                    • Rhet Wilkinson
                      I would think though, if they still existed, farm and plantation ledgers would be a source of this information since the newborn children would be considered
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                        I would think though, if they still existed, farm and plantation ledgers would be a source of this information since the newborn children would be considered as property to be listed as being aquired. Rhet
                        ----- Original Message -----
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                        Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:01 PM
                        Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005


                        In the CNN article, the part that said:

                        "The work is difficult, hindered by a lack of birth certificates, which
                        often were not issued for slaves or were incomplete."

                        is a bit inaccurate, since no one in NC, slave or free, had a birth
                        certificate if they were born before 1913 or so (I forget the exact year),
                        since that's when NC first starting requiring registering of births and
                        issuing birth certificates.

                        Stephen Scurletis
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                        > [Original Message]
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                        > Date: 1/15/2006 7:38:20 PM
                        > Subject: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of former slaves coming
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                      • LdMel1@aol.com
                        Also Mother stated that it was not proper to smile you were supposed to be serious. I wish we had more pictures of the old days. Linda ... From: Bob Forbes
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                          Also Mother stated that it was not "proper" to smile you were supposed to be serious. I wish we had more pictures of the old days.
                          Linda


                          -----Original Message-----
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                          Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:25:40 -0500
                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005


                          Dear Group,
                          Doh! I must concede to Carol's simpler, yet superior 'splanation 'bout dis
                          heah pitcher-takin' bidness o' days gone by,
                          Til next one,
                          Cuzzin Bob
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                          To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:38 PM
                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of former slaves coming
                          together - Dec 29, 2005


                          > Dear Bob & Group,
                          > Having nothing better to do one day, I signed up
                          > for a photography class. My teacher happened to be an
                          > avid photographic history buff. She gave a most
                          > inspiring presentation on what it was like to "sit"
                          > for a photograph during the early days of photography.
                          > According to her, the subject(s) had to sit/stand
                          > frozen in their poses for about two minutes. They were
                          > told not to move a muscle! Under such conditions who
                          > would have wanted to smile even if he could have?
                          > Later, Carol
                          >
                          > --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >> Paula - Perhaps, or they just felt that the teeth
                          >> they had weren't all that
                          >> photogenic. I also think that for many years thru
                          >> the early 1900's it was a
                          >> cultural taboo to smile when being photographed,
                          >> good teeth or not. A smile
                          >> may have looked disrespectful and frivolous during a
                          >> time when living day to
                          >> day was mostly grim and serious business. Also, they
                          >> may have realized how
                          >> long a photograph could last and wanted their unborn
                          >> descendants to
                          >> appreciate their lives and struggles.
                          >> Yes, I think pride and dignity, sprinkled with
                          >> humility, had a lot to do
                          >> with all those somber expressions and poses.
                          >> Thanks for responding,
                          >> Bob Forbes
                          >>
                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                          >> From: "Paula Baker" <paulabaker69@...>
                          >> To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                          >> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:26 PM
                          >> Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                          >> former slaves coming
                          >> together - Dec 29, 2005
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> > Bob,
                          >> > And, a lot of people didn't smile because they
                          >> didn't have teeth. It was
                          >> > a matter of pride.
                          >> >



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                        • Faye Silliman
                          Some information can be found in family bibles. ... http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailT ...
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                            Some information can be found in family bibles.

                            --- Rhet Wilkinson <rhet@...> wrote:

                            > I would think though, if they still existed, farm
                            > and plantation ledgers would be a source of this
                            > information since the newborn children would be
                            > considered as property to be listed as being
                            > aquired. Rhet
                            > ----- Original Message -----
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                            > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:01 PM
                            > Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                            > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                            >
                            >
                            > In the CNN article, the part that said:
                            >
                            > "The work is difficult, hindered by a lack of
                            > birth certificates, which
                            > often were not issued for slaves or were
                            > incomplete."
                            >
                            > is a bit inaccurate, since no one in NC, slave or
                            > free, had a birth
                            > certificate if they were born before 1913 or so (I
                            > forget the exact year),
                            > since that's when NC first starting requiring
                            > registering of births and
                            > issuing birth certificates.
                            >
                            > Stephen Scurletis
                            > sscurletis@...
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                            > > [Original Message]
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                            > > Date: 1/15/2006 7:38:20 PM
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                          • Paula Baker
                            I ve asked this before, but are there bastardy bonds for Greene Co in Raleigh? I don t know if I ve asked this list. Paula Anne Baker paulabaker69@hotmail.com
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                              I've asked this before, but are there bastardy bonds for Greene Co in
                              Raleigh? I don't know if I've asked this list.



                              Paula Anne Baker
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                            • LdMel1@aol.com
                              I don t know about Raleigh, but the Reg of Deeds in Snow Hill said they never heard of them. Also stated to check Clerk s office. If anyone knows the answer
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                                I don't know about Raleigh, but the Reg of Deeds in Snow Hill said they never heard of them. Also stated to check Clerk's office. If anyone knows the answer I two would like to know.

                                Have a blessed day
                                Linda Melvin


                                -----Original Message-----
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                                To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:38:24 -0600
                                Subject: [genpcncfir] Bastardy Bonds for Greene Co


                                I've asked this before, but are there bastardy bonds for Greene Co in
                                Raleigh? I don't know if I've asked this list.



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                              • samurai369@bellsouth.net
                                Paula, I ve looked for Greene Co. bastardy bonds at the Archives before - no luck. Sammy Pierce Hobe Sound, FL
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                                  Paula,
                                  I've looked for Greene Co. bastardy bonds at the Archives before - no luck.

                                  Sammy Pierce
                                  Hobe Sound, FL
                                  >
                                  > From: "Paula Baker" <paulabaker69@...>
                                  > Date: 2006/01/18 Wed PM 08:38:24 EST
                                  > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: [genpcncfir] Bastardy Bonds for Greene Co
                                  >
                                  > I've asked this before, but are there bastardy bonds for Greene Co in
                                  > Raleigh? I don't know if I've asked this list.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Paula Anne Baker
                                  > paulabaker69@...
                                  > Researching BAKER, MANNING, TYSON, STOCKS AND OTHERS in Pitt County NC and
                                  > Greene County NC
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                                • Paula Baker
                                  Thanks Sammy. I won t pursue that then. Paula Anne Baker paulabaker69@hotmail.com Researching BAKER, MANNING, TYSON, STOCKS AND OTHERS in Pitt County NC and
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                                    Thanks Sammy. I won't pursue that then.



                                    Paula Anne Baker
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                                    Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Bastardy Bonds for Greene Co
                                    Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:43:06 -0500

                                    Paula,
                                    I've looked for Greene Co. bastardy bonds at the Archives before - no
                                    luck.

                                    Sammy Pierce
                                    Hobe Sound, FL
                                    >
                                    > From: "Paula Baker" <paulabaker69@...>
                                    > Date: 2006/01/18 Wed PM 08:38:24 EST
                                    > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Subject: [genpcncfir] Bastardy Bonds for Greene Co
                                    >
                                    > I've asked this before, but are there bastardy bonds for Greene Co in
                                    > Raleigh? I don't know if I've asked this list.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Paula Anne Baker
                                    > paulabaker69@...
                                    > Researching BAKER, MANNING, TYSON, STOCKS AND OTHERS in Pitt County NC
                                    and
                                    > Greene County NC
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                                  • Rhet Wilkinson
                                    I don t know that they would put the birth of slaves in Family bibles. Rhet ... From: Faye Silliman To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January
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                                      I don't know that they would put the birth of slaves in Family bibles. Rhet
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: Faye Silliman
                                      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:46 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005


                                      Some information can be found in family bibles.

                                      --- Rhet Wilkinson <rhet@...> wrote:

                                      > I would think though, if they still existed, farm
                                      > and plantation ledgers would be a source of this
                                      > information since the newborn children would be
                                      > considered as property to be listed as being
                                      > aquired. Rhet
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: Stephen Scurletis
                                      > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:01 PM
                                      > Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                      > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > In the CNN article, the part that said:
                                      >
                                      > "The work is difficult, hindered by a lack of
                                      > birth certificates, which
                                      > often were not issued for slaves or were
                                      > incomplete."
                                      >
                                      > is a bit inaccurate, since no one in NC, slave or
                                      > free, had a birth
                                      > certificate if they were born before 1913 or so (I
                                      > forget the exact year),
                                      > since that's when NC first starting requiring
                                      > registering of births and
                                      > issuing birth certificates.
                                      >
                                      > Stephen Scurletis
                                      > sscurletis@...
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                                      > > [Original Message]
                                      > > From: <jcbunc@...>
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                                      > > Date: 1/15/2006 7:38:20 PM
                                      > > Subject: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                      > former slaves coming
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                                    • Evelyn Hendricks
                                      Sometimes they did, I have seen one example at the NC State Archives. I don t remember which family Bible it was, but it was recorded along with the family
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                                        Sometimes they did, I have seen one example at the NC State Archives. I don't remember which family Bible it was, but it was recorded along with the family information.
                                        Evelyn
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Rhet Wilkinson
                                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:52 AM
                                        Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005


                                        I don't know that they would put the birth of slaves in Family bibles. Rhet
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Faye Silliman
                                        To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:46 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005


                                        Some information can be found in family bibles.

                                        --- Rhet Wilkinson <rhet@...> wrote:

                                        > I would think though, if they still existed, farm
                                        > and plantation ledgers would be a source of this
                                        > information since the newborn children would be
                                        > considered as property to be listed as being
                                        > aquired. Rhet
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: Stephen Scurletis
                                        > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:01 PM
                                        > Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                        > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > In the CNN article, the part that said:
                                        >
                                        > "The work is difficult, hindered by a lack of
                                        > birth certificates, which
                                        > often were not issued for slaves or were
                                        > incomplete."
                                        >
                                        > is a bit inaccurate, since no one in NC, slave or
                                        > free, had a birth
                                        > certificate if they were born before 1913 or so (I
                                        > forget the exact year),
                                        > since that's when NC first starting requiring
                                        > registering of births and
                                        > issuing birth certificates.
                                        >
                                        > Stephen Scurletis
                                        > sscurletis@...
                                        >
                                        > > [Original Message]
                                        > > From: <jcbunc@...>
                                        > > To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > Date: 1/15/2006 7:38:20 PM
                                        > > Subject: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                        > former slaves coming
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                                        > > Interesting article.
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                                      • Carol Singh
                                        Dear Linda, Just in case any of you ever see a picture of me, and they are few, I rarely smile in any of them. Mama always told us to smile for our pictures,
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Jan 19, 2006
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                                          Dear Linda,
                                          Just in case any of you ever see a picture of me,
                                          and they are few, I rarely smile in any of them. Mama
                                          always told us to smile for our pictures, but I never
                                          saw any point to it just as Mama never saw any point
                                          to giving us children Castor Oil. I never smile,
                                          unless somebody catches me off guard, because I am
                                          totally UNPHOTOGENIC! I have broken cameras--no joke.
                                          I figure the less one sees of me in a picture, the
                                          better the picture. So forget the national obsession
                                          with "the pearly whites." Save the pearls for my
                                          oyster stew! Maybe some day I will have enough rescued
                                          pearls for a decent necklace--well, ring perhaps.
                                          Later, Carol

                                          --- LdMel1@... wrote:

                                          > Also Mother stated that it was not "proper" to smile
                                          > you were supposed to be serious. I wish we had more
                                          > pictures of the old days.
                                          > Linda
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > -----Original Message-----
                                          > From: Bob Forbes <bforbes@...>
                                          > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:25:40 -0500
                                          > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                          > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Dear Group,
                                          > Doh! I must concede to Carol's simpler, yet superior
                                          > 'splanation 'bout dis
                                          > heah pitcher-takin' bidness o' days gone by,
                                          > Til next one,
                                          > Cuzzin Bob
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: "Carol Singh" <csinghworthington@...>
                                          > To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:38 PM
                                          > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                          > former slaves coming
                                          > together - Dec 29, 2005
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > > Dear Bob & Group,
                                          > > Having nothing better to do one day, I signed
                                          > up
                                          > > for a photography class. My teacher happened to be
                                          > an
                                          > > avid photographic history buff. She gave a most
                                          > > inspiring presentation on what it was like to
                                          > "sit"
                                          > > for a photograph during the early days of
                                          > photography.
                                          > > According to her, the subject(s) had to
                                          > sit/stand
                                          > > frozen in their poses for about two minutes. They
                                          > were
                                          > > told not to move a muscle! Under such conditions
                                          > who
                                          > > would have wanted to smile even if he could have?
                                          > > Later, Carol
                                          > >
                                          > > --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > >> Paula - Perhaps, or they just felt that the teeth
                                          > >> they had weren't all that
                                          > >> photogenic. I also think that for many years thru
                                          > >> the early 1900's it was a
                                          > >> cultural taboo to smile when being photographed,
                                          > >> good teeth or not. A smile
                                          > >> may have looked disrespectful and frivolous
                                          > during a
                                          > >> time when living day to
                                          > >> day was mostly grim and serious business. Also,
                                          > they
                                          > >> may have realized how
                                          > >> long a photograph could last and wanted their
                                          > unborn
                                          > >> descendants to
                                          > >> appreciate their lives and struggles.
                                          > >> Yes, I think pride and dignity, sprinkled with
                                          > >> humility, had a lot to do
                                          > >> with all those somber expressions and poses.
                                          > >> Thanks for responding,
                                          > >> Bob Forbes
                                          > >>
                                          > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                          > >> From: "Paula Baker" <paulabaker69@...>
                                          > >> To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > >> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:26 PM
                                          > >> Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree
                                          > of
                                          > >> former slaves coming
                                          > >> together - Dec 29, 2005
                                          > >>
                                          > >>
                                          > >> > Bob,
                                          > >> > And, a lot of people didn't smile because they
                                          > >> didn't have teeth. It was
                                          > >> > a matter of pride.
                                          > >> >
                                          >
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                                        • Carol Singh
                                          Dear Paula, Since there are Pitt Bastardy Bonds there and since Raleigh is a repository for archives from all over the state, I am quite sure that if they
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                                            Dear Paula,
                                            Since there are Pitt Bastardy Bonds there and
                                            since Raleigh is a repository for archives from all
                                            over the state, I am quite sure that if they existed
                                            in Greene, they will also be in Raleigh. The times I
                                            have been there, I have looked only at records from
                                            Pitt. These included the Bastardy Bonds. For some
                                            periods, I did not find very many. Perhaps, they were
                                            not all in one place. Or there could be a system here
                                            that I do not know about. For example, I was told in
                                            Greenville that some records prior to 1941 had all
                                            been sent to the Archives in Raleigh. I guess it was
                                            to make room at the Greenville Courthouse for more
                                            current records. Later, Carol

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                                            > I've asked this before, but are there bastardy bonds
                                            > for Greene Co in
                                            > Raleigh? I don't know if I've asked this list.
                                            >
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                                          • Carol Singh
                                            Dear Paula, Since Sammy did not find the Greene Bastardy Bonds in Raleigh, I ll do some sleuthing. If they are not there, there has to be a reason. I ll holler
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                                              Dear Paula,
                                              Since Sammy did not find the Greene Bastardy Bonds
                                              in Raleigh, I'll do some sleuthing. If they are not
                                              there, there has to be a reason. I'll holler at some
                                              of my friends and see what I can dig up. Later, Carol

                                              --- Paula Baker <paulabaker69@...> wrote:

                                              > Thanks Sammy. I won't pursue that then.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Paula Anne Baker
                                              > paulabaker69@...
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                                              > in Pitt County NC and
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                                              > From: <samurai369@...>
                                              > Reply-To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                              > To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                              > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Bastardy Bonds for Greene
                                              > Co
                                              > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:43:06 -0500
                                              >
                                              > Paula,
                                              > I've looked for Greene Co. bastardy bonds at the
                                              > Archives before - no
                                              > luck.
                                              >
                                              > Sammy Pierce
                                              > Hobe Sound, FL
                                              > >
                                              > > From: "Paula Baker" <paulabaker69@...>
                                              > > Date: 2006/01/18 Wed PM 08:38:24 EST
                                              > > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > Subject: [genpcncfir] Bastardy Bonds for Greene
                                              > Co
                                              > >
                                              > > I've asked this before, but are there bastardy
                                              > bonds for Greene Co in
                                              > > Raleigh? I don't know if I've asked this list.
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > Paula Anne Baker
                                              > > paulabaker69@...
                                              > > Researching BAKER, MANNING, TYSON, STOCKS AND
                                              > OTHERS in Pitt County NC
                                              > and
                                              > > Greene County NC
                                              > > and COLE, NORMAN, WHITE, SUTTON AND OTHERS in SC,
                                              > GA, and LA
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                                              > Resources:
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                                              > to join our dynamic group
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                                              I am sure there is a lot you don t know. Some people did in fact record births and deaths of slaves in their family bibles. Not everyone, but some. ...
                                              Message 22 of 28 , Jan 19, 2006
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                                                I am sure there is a lot you don't know.

                                                Some people did in fact record births and deaths of
                                                slaves in their family bibles. Not everyone, but
                                                some.

                                                --- Rhet Wilkinson <rhet@...> wrote:

                                                > I don't know that they would put the birth of
                                                > slaves in Family bibles. Rhet
                                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > From: Faye Silliman
                                                > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:46 PM
                                                > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                                > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > Some information can be found in family bibles.
                                                >
                                                > --- Rhet Wilkinson <rhet@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > > I would think though, if they still existed,
                                                > farm
                                                > > and plantation ledgers would be a source of this
                                                > > information since the newborn children would be
                                                > > considered as property to be listed as being
                                                > > aquired. Rhet
                                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > From: Stephen Scurletis
                                                > > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:01 PM
                                                > > Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family
                                                > tree of
                                                > > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > In the CNN article, the part that said:
                                                > >
                                                > > "The work is difficult, hindered by a lack of
                                                > > birth certificates, which
                                                > > often were not issued for slaves or were
                                                > > incomplete."
                                                > >
                                                > > is a bit inaccurate, since no one in NC, slave
                                                > or
                                                > > free, had a birth
                                                > > certificate if they were born before 1913 or
                                                > so (I
                                                > > forget the exact year),
                                                > > since that's when NC first starting requiring
                                                > > registering of births and
                                                > > issuing birth certificates.
                                                > >
                                                > > Stephen Scurletis
                                                > > sscurletis@...
                                                > >
                                                > > > [Original Message]
                                                > > > From: <jcbunc@...>
                                                > > > To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > > Date: 1/15/2006 7:38:20 PM
                                                > > > Subject: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree
                                                > of
                                                > > former slaves coming
                                                > > together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                > > > Interesting article.
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                                                Some families did record slave births in family Bibles.
                                                Message 23 of 28 , Jan 19, 2006
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                                                  Some families did record slave births in family Bibles.

                                                  On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Rhet Wilkinson wrote:

                                                  > I don't know that they would put the birth of slaves in Family
                                                  > bibles. Rhet
                                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > From: Faye Silliman
                                                  > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:46 PM
                                                  > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of former slaves
                                                  > coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Some information can be found in family bibles.
                                                  >
                                                  > --- Rhet Wilkinson <rhet@...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  >> I would think though, if they still existed, farm
                                                  >> and plantation ledgers would be a source of this
                                                  >> information since the newborn children would be
                                                  >> considered as property to be listed as being
                                                  >> aquired. Rhet
                                                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                                                  >> From: Stephen Scurletis
                                                  >> To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:01 PM
                                                  >> Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                                  >> former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >> In the CNN article, the part that said:
                                                  >>
                                                  >> "The work is difficult, hindered by a lack of
                                                  >> birth certificates, which
                                                  >> often were not issued for slaves or were
                                                  >> incomplete."
                                                  >>
                                                  >> is a bit inaccurate, since no one in NC, slave or
                                                  >> free, had a birth
                                                  >> certificate if they were born before 1913 or so (I
                                                  >> forget the exact year),
                                                  >> since that's when NC first starting requiring
                                                  >> registering of births and
                                                  >> issuing birth certificates.
                                                  >>
                                                  >> Stephen Scurletis
                                                  >> sscurletis@...
                                                  >>
                                                  >>> [Original Message]
                                                  >>> From: <jcbunc@...>
                                                  >>> To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  >>> Date: 1/15/2006 7:38:20 PM
                                                  >>> Subject: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                                  >> former slaves coming
                                                  >> together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                  >>> Interesting article.
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                                                  >> coming together - Dec 29,
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                                                  If anyone is interested, this URL may provide some information in finding slaves records. http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/iss/gr/slaveprep3.htm ...
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , Jan 19, 2006
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                                                    If anyone is interested, this URL may provide some
                                                    information in finding slaves records.

                                                    http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/iss/gr/slaveprep3.htm


                                                    --- Faye Silliman <eyafydal@...> wrote:

                                                    > I am sure there is a lot you don't know.
                                                    >
                                                    > Some people did in fact record births and deaths of
                                                    > slaves in their family bibles. Not everyone, but
                                                    > some.
                                                    >
                                                    > --- Rhet Wilkinson <rhet@...> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > > I don't know that they would put the birth of
                                                    > > slaves in Family bibles. Rhet
                                                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                    > > From: Faye Silliman
                                                    > > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:46 PM
                                                    > > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree
                                                    > of
                                                    > > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Some information can be found in family bibles.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > --- Rhet Wilkinson <rhet@...> wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > > I would think though, if they still existed,
                                                    > > farm
                                                    > > > and plantation ledgers would be a source of
                                                    > this
                                                    > > > information since the newborn children would
                                                    > be
                                                    > > > considered as property to be listed as being
                                                    > > > aquired. Rhet
                                                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                    > > > From: Stephen Scurletis
                                                    > > > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:01 PM
                                                    > > > Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family
                                                    > > tree of
                                                    > > > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > In the CNN article, the part that said:
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > "The work is difficult, hindered by a lack
                                                    > of
                                                    > > > birth certificates, which
                                                    > > > often were not issued for slaves or were
                                                    > > > incomplete."
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > is a bit inaccurate, since no one in NC,
                                                    > slave
                                                    > > or
                                                    > > > free, had a birth
                                                    > > > certificate if they were born before 1913 or
                                                    > > so (I
                                                    > > > forget the exact year),
                                                    > > > since that's when NC first starting
                                                    > requiring
                                                    > > > registering of births and
                                                    > > > issuing birth certificates.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Stephen Scurletis
                                                    > > > sscurletis@...
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > > [Original Message]
                                                    > > > > From: <jcbunc@...>
                                                    > > > > To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    > > > > Date: 1/15/2006 7:38:20 PM
                                                    > > > > Subject: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family
                                                    > tree
                                                    > > of
                                                    > > > former slaves coming
                                                    > > > together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                    > > > > Interesting article.
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                                                  • Evelyn Hendricks
                                                    I don t like pictures with teeth showing. Neither am I too fond of those with a closed-mouth smile. Sometimes I use photographs as reference for my paintings,
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                                                      I don't like pictures with teeth showing. Neither am I too fond of those with a closed-mouth smile. Sometimes I use photographs as reference for my paintings, and I certainly don't want an oil painting of someone with teeth showing. Mouths are hard enough to do any way, without adding that to it. With teeth showing, or even a smile, you cannot get the real look of the person. The muscles in the face change when you smile. If I have a smiling photograph I have to change it in my drawing so that it is a "smileless" face. I am glad they did not smile in the old photos. It gives me a glimpse of what their facial features really were like.
                                                      Evelyn
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                                                      From: Carol Singh
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                                                      Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:35 PM
                                                      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005


                                                      Dear Linda,
                                                      Just in case any of you ever see a picture of me,
                                                      and they are few, I rarely smile in any of them. Mama
                                                      always told us to smile for our pictures, but I never
                                                      saw any point to it just as Mama never saw any point
                                                      to giving us children Castor Oil. I never smile,
                                                      unless somebody catches me off guard, because I am
                                                      totally UNPHOTOGENIC! I have broken cameras--no joke.
                                                      I figure the less one sees of me in a picture, the
                                                      better the picture. So forget the national obsession
                                                      with "the pearly whites." Save the pearls for my
                                                      oyster stew! Maybe some day I will have enough rescued
                                                      pearls for a decent necklace--well, ring perhaps.
                                                      Later, Carol

                                                      --- LdMel1@... wrote:

                                                      > Also Mother stated that it was not "proper" to smile
                                                      > you were supposed to be serious. I wish we had more
                                                      > pictures of the old days.
                                                      > Linda
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                                      > From: Bob Forbes <bforbes@...>
                                                      > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                      > Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:25:40 -0500
                                                      > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                                      > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > Dear Group,
                                                      > Doh! I must concede to Carol's simpler, yet superior
                                                      > 'splanation 'bout dis
                                                      > heah pitcher-takin' bidness o' days gone by,
                                                      > Til next one,
                                                      > Cuzzin Bob
                                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                                      > From: "Carol Singh" <csinghworthington@...>
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                                                      > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:38 PM
                                                      > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                                      > former slaves coming
                                                      > together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                      >
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                                                      > > Dear Bob & Group,
                                                      > > Having nothing better to do one day, I signed
                                                      > up
                                                      > > for a photography class. My teacher happened to be
                                                      > an
                                                      > > avid photographic history buff. She gave a most
                                                      > > inspiring presentation on what it was like to
                                                      > "sit"
                                                      > > for a photograph during the early days of
                                                      > photography.
                                                      > > According to her, the subject(s) had to
                                                      > sit/stand
                                                      > > frozen in their poses for about two minutes. They
                                                      > were
                                                      > > told not to move a muscle! Under such conditions
                                                      > who
                                                      > > would have wanted to smile even if he could have?
                                                      > > Later, Carol
                                                      > >
                                                      > > --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > >> Paula - Perhaps, or they just felt that the teeth
                                                      > >> they had weren't all that
                                                      > >> photogenic. I also think that for many years thru
                                                      > >> the early 1900's it was a
                                                      > >> cultural taboo to smile when being photographed,
                                                      > >> good teeth or not. A smile
                                                      > >> may have looked disrespectful and frivolous
                                                      > during a
                                                      > >> time when living day to
                                                      > >> day was mostly grim and serious business. Also,
                                                      > they
                                                      > >> may have realized how
                                                      > >> long a photograph could last and wanted their
                                                      > unborn
                                                      > >> descendants to
                                                      > >> appreciate their lives and struggles.
                                                      > >> Yes, I think pride and dignity, sprinkled with
                                                      > >> humility, had a lot to do
                                                      > >> with all those somber expressions and poses.
                                                      > >> Thanks for responding,
                                                      > >> Bob Forbes
                                                      > >>
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                                                      > >> To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      > >> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:26 PM
                                                      > >> Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree
                                                      > of
                                                      > >> former slaves coming
                                                      > >> together - Dec 29, 2005
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                                                      > >> > Bob,
                                                      > >> > And, a lot of people didn't smile because they
                                                      > >> didn't have teeth. It was
                                                      > >> > a matter of pride.
                                                      > >> >
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                                                      Interesting. I wouldn t have thought that. Rhet ... From: Evelyn Hendricks To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:58 AM Subject:
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                                                        Interesting. I wouldn't have thought that. Rhet
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                                                        Sometimes they did, I have seen one example at the NC State Archives. I don't remember which family Bible it was, but it was recorded along with the family information.
                                                        Evelyn
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                                                        I don't know that they would put the birth of slaves in Family bibles. Rhet
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                                                        Some information can be found in family bibles.

                                                        --- Rhet Wilkinson <rhet@...> wrote:

                                                        > I would think though, if they still existed, farm
                                                        > and plantation ledgers would be a source of this
                                                        > information since the newborn children would be
                                                        > considered as property to be listed as being
                                                        > aquired. Rhet
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                                                        > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:01 PM
                                                        > Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                                        > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > In the CNN article, the part that said:
                                                        >
                                                        > "The work is difficult, hindered by a lack of
                                                        > birth certificates, which
                                                        > often were not issued for slaves or were
                                                        > incomplete."
                                                        >
                                                        > is a bit inaccurate, since no one in NC, slave or
                                                        > free, had a birth
                                                        > certificate if they were born before 1913 or so (I
                                                        > forget the exact year),
                                                        > since that's when NC first starting requiring
                                                        > registering of births and
                                                        > issuing birth certificates.
                                                        >
                                                        > Stephen Scurletis
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                                                      • Paula Baker
                                                        Thank you Carol. Paula Anne Baker paulabaker69@hotmail.com Researching BAKER, MANNING, TYSON, STOCKS AND OTHERS in Pitt County NC and Greene County NC and
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                                                          Thank you Carol.



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                                                          Greene County NC
                                                          and COLE, NORMAN, WHITE, SUTTON AND OTHERS in SC, GA, and LA




                                                          ----Original Message Follows----
                                                          From: Carol Singh <csinghworthington@...>
                                                          Reply-To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                          To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                          Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Bastardy Bonds for Greene Co
                                                          Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:42:43 -0800 (PST)

                                                          Dear Paula,
                                                          Since Sammy did not find the Greene Bastardy Bonds
                                                          in Raleigh, I'll do some sleuthing. If they are not
                                                          there, there has to be a reason. I'll holler at some
                                                          of my friends and see what I can dig up. Later, Carol

                                                          --- Paula Baker <paulabaker69@...> wrote:

                                                          > Thanks Sammy. I won't pursue that then.
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Paula Anne Baker
                                                          > paulabaker69@...
                                                          > Researching BAKER, MANNING, TYSON, STOCKS AND OTHERS
                                                          > in Pitt County NC and
                                                          > Greene County NC
                                                          > and COLE, NORMAN, WHITE, SUTTON AND OTHERS in SC,
                                                          > GA, and LA
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > ----Original Message Follows----
                                                          > From: <samurai369@...>
                                                          > Reply-To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                          > To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                                          > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Bastardy Bonds for Greene
                                                          > Co
                                                          > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:43:06 -0500
                                                          >
                                                          > Paula,
                                                          > I've looked for Greene Co. bastardy bonds at the
                                                          > Archives before - no
                                                          > luck.
                                                          >
                                                          > Sammy Pierce
                                                          > Hobe Sound, FL
                                                          > >
                                                          > > From: "Paula Baker" <paulabaker69@...>
                                                          > > Date: 2006/01/18 Wed PM 08:38:24 EST
                                                          > > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                          > > Subject: [genpcncfir] Bastardy Bonds for Greene
                                                          > Co
                                                          > >
                                                          > > I've asked this before, but are there bastardy
                                                          > bonds for Greene Co in
                                                          > > Raleigh? I don't know if I've asked this list.
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Paula Anne Baker
                                                          > > paulabaker69@...
                                                          > > Researching BAKER, MANNING, TYSON, STOCKS AND
                                                          > OTHERS in Pitt County NC
                                                          > and
                                                          > > Greene County NC
                                                          > > and COLE, NORMAN, WHITE, SUTTON AND OTHERS in SC,
                                                          > GA, and LA
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Pitt County Historical Society:
                                                          > http://www.pittcountyhistoricalsociety.com/
                                                          > >
                                                          > > CHRONICLES VOL.II AVAILABLE!! Click here for
                                                          > description and ordering
                                                          > information:
                                                          > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/genpcncfir/files/
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Click here to view CHRONICLE PHOTO, use
                                                          > SlideShow:
                                                          > >
                                                          > http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/genpcncfir/lst
                                                          > >
                                                          > > RePrint of 1982 Chronicles of Pitt Co Order Form:
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nc/county/pitt/Chronicles%20Flyer%20Feb03.htm
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Treasure-Trove of PITT Co.NC Genealogical
                                                          > Resources:
                                                          > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nc/county/pitt/
                                                          > >
                                                          > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/
                                                          > >
                                                          > > We welcome all Archives visitors and invite you
                                                          > to join our dynamic group
                                                          > if you are interested in genealogy discussion and
                                                          > research in Pitt and all
                                                          > Eastern and Coastal North Carolina counties.
                                                          > > GenealogyPITT Co NC Friends In Research
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                                                          > >
                                                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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                                                        • Carol Singh
                                                          Amen,Evelyn! I have always been a scribbler and a drawer. The measure of Mama s understanding and empathy was her letting me use my bedroom wall and hers for
                                                          Message 28 of 28 , Jan 23, 2006
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                                                            Amen,Evelyn! I have always been a scribbler and a
                                                            drawer. The measure of Mama's understanding and
                                                            empathy was her letting me use my bedroom wall and
                                                            hers for my pre-school canvas. I covered all the
                                                            pastel plaster with houses, wagons, birds, trees,
                                                            cats, and children. I hated posed pictures.
                                                            Fortunately for me, Mama was no megamaniac when it
                                                            came to capturing it all on film. She never confused
                                                            picture-taking with memories. In a flood, for example,
                                                            or in a fire, one does not "lose his memories." He
                                                            loses only things. I have to agree with you that I
                                                            think baring one's teeth like some mule in the midst
                                                            of a hee-haw is a distortion. Unfortunately, such
                                                            pictures usually make me hee-haw too. Later, Carol

                                                            --- Evelyn Hendricks <rebh@...> wrote:

                                                            > I don't like pictures with teeth showing. Neither am
                                                            > I too fond of those with a closed-mouth smile.
                                                            > Sometimes I use photographs as reference for my
                                                            > paintings, and I certainly don't want an oil
                                                            > painting of someone with teeth showing. Mouths are
                                                            > hard enough to do any way, without adding that to
                                                            > it. With teeth showing, or even a smile, you cannot
                                                            > get the real look of the person. The muscles in the
                                                            > face change when you smile. If I have a smiling
                                                            > photograph I have to change it in my drawing so that
                                                            > it is a "smileless" face. I am glad they did not
                                                            > smile in the old photos. It gives me a glimpse of
                                                            > what their facial features really were like.
                                                            > Evelyn
                                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                                            > From: Carol Singh
                                                            > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                            > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:35 PM
                                                            > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                                            > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > Dear Linda,
                                                            > Just in case any of you ever see a picture of
                                                            > me,
                                                            > and they are few, I rarely smile in any of them.
                                                            > Mama
                                                            > always told us to smile for our pictures, but I
                                                            > never
                                                            > saw any point to it just as Mama never saw any point
                                                            > to giving us children Castor Oil. I never smile,
                                                            > unless somebody catches me off guard, because I am
                                                            > totally UNPHOTOGENIC! I have broken cameras--no
                                                            > joke.
                                                            > I figure the less one sees of me in a picture, the
                                                            > better the picture. So forget the national obsession
                                                            > with "the pearly whites." Save the pearls for my
                                                            > oyster stew! Maybe some day I will have enough
                                                            > rescued
                                                            > pearls for a decent necklace--well, ring perhaps.
                                                            > Later, Carol
                                                            >
                                                            > --- LdMel1@... wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            > > Also Mother stated that it was not "proper" to
                                                            > smile
                                                            > > you were supposed to be serious. I wish we had
                                                            > more
                                                            > > pictures of the old days.
                                                            > > Linda
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > > -----Original Message-----
                                                            > > From: Bob Forbes <bforbes@...>
                                                            > > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
                                                            > > Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:25:40 -0500
                                                            > > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                                            > > former slaves coming together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Dear Group,
                                                            > > Doh! I must concede to Carol's simpler, yet
                                                            > superior
                                                            > > 'splanation 'bout dis
                                                            > > heah pitcher-takin' bidness o' days gone by,
                                                            > > Til next one,
                                                            > > Cuzzin Bob
                                                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                            > > From: "Carol Singh" <csinghworthington@...>
                                                            > > To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:38 PM
                                                            > > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree of
                                                            > > former slaves coming
                                                            > > together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > > > Dear Bob & Group,
                                                            > > > Having nothing better to do one day, I
                                                            > signed
                                                            > > up
                                                            > > > for a photography class. My teacher happened to
                                                            > be
                                                            > > an
                                                            > > > avid photographic history buff. She gave a most
                                                            > > > inspiring presentation on what it was like to
                                                            > > "sit"
                                                            > > > for a photograph during the early days of
                                                            > > photography.
                                                            > > > According to her, the subject(s) had to
                                                            > > sit/stand
                                                            > > > frozen in their poses for about two minutes.
                                                            > They
                                                            > > were
                                                            > > > told not to move a muscle! Under such conditions
                                                            > > who
                                                            > > > would have wanted to smile even if he could
                                                            > have?
                                                            > > > Later, Carol
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > >> Paula - Perhaps, or they just felt that the
                                                            > teeth
                                                            > > >> they had weren't all that
                                                            > > >> photogenic. I also think that for many years
                                                            > thru
                                                            > > >> the early 1900's it was a
                                                            > > >> cultural taboo to smile when being
                                                            > photographed,
                                                            > > >> good teeth or not. A smile
                                                            > > >> may have looked disrespectful and frivolous
                                                            > > during a
                                                            > > >> time when living day to
                                                            > > >> day was mostly grim and serious business. Also,
                                                            > > they
                                                            > > >> may have realized how
                                                            > > >> long a photograph could last and wanted their
                                                            > > unborn
                                                            > > >> descendants to
                                                            > > >> appreciate their lives and struggles.
                                                            > > >> Yes, I think pride and dignity, sprinkled with
                                                            > > >> humility, had a lot to do
                                                            > > >> with all those somber expressions and poses.
                                                            > > >> Thanks for responding,
                                                            > > >> Bob Forbes
                                                            > > >>
                                                            > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                                            > > >> From: "Paula Baker" <paulabaker69@...>
                                                            > > >> To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            > > >> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:26 PM
                                                            > > >> Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] CNN.com - Family tree
                                                            > > of
                                                            > > >> former slaves coming
                                                            > > >> together - Dec 29, 2005
                                                            > > >>
                                                            > > >>
                                                            > > >> > Bob,
                                                            > > >> > And, a lot of people didn't smile because
                                                            > they
                                                            > > >> didn't have teeth. It was
                                                            > > >> > a matter of pride.
                                                            > > >> >
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Pitt County Historical Society:
                                                            > > http://www.pittcountyhistoricalsociety.com/
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > > CHRONICLES VOL.II AVAILABLE!! Click here for
                                                            > > description and ordering
                                                            > > information:
                                                            > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/genpcncfir/files/
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Click here to view CHRONICLE PHOTO, use SlideShow:
                                                            > >
                                                            > http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/genpcncfir/lst
                                                            > >
                                                            > > RePrint of 1982 Chronicles of Pitt Co Order Form:
                                                            >
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            >
                                                            http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nc/county/pitt/Chronicles%20Flyer%20Feb03.htm
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Treasure-Trove of PITT Co.NC Genealogical
                                                            > Resources:
                                                            > > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nc/county/pitt/
                                                            > >
                                                            > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/
                                                            > >
                                                            > > We welcome all Archives visitors and invite you to
                                                            > > join our dynamic group if you
                                                            > > are interested in genealogy discussion and
                                                            > research
                                                            > > in Pitt and all Eastern and
                                                            > > Coastal North Carolina counties.
                                                            > > GenealogyPITT Co NC Friends In Research
                                                            > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/genpcncfir
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                            > >
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