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  • Evelyn Hendricks
    Sep 1 7:56 AM
      We faired very well. We lost a small amount of siding off the house--a new one with the new vinyl siding that is so popular now. I don't like the stuff though. My husband and son are out now looking at our other property to see how much damage we received, if any. All in all, I think things went very well here. Thanks to all of you for your interest.
      Evelyn\

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      From: Brenda Stocks
      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:10 PM
      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and the Weather, of course...


      Evelyn, I'm thinking about you and wishing you well. I lived on Barbour's Point between downtown Swansboro and the Bear Island Ferry dock for about 8 years. I was there the summer of '96 when our area was devastated by Bertha and Fran. You're right ....Onslow Beach, Jacksonville and Swansboro were hardly mentioned.....it was all about Wilmington and Wrightsville Beach.
      I hope you stay safe and have minimal damage......and I certainly hope you aren't without power very long. (we were without electricity two weeks after Bertha)
      Brenda
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      From: Evelyn Hendricks
      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:09 PM
      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and the Weather, of course...

      Catherine,
      Ernesto is supposed to hit us here in Jacksonville, NC in about an hour. It will probably not be a direct hit since we are inland a little, but the beaches will get the brunt of it. Of course, the news media is saying Wilmington. They don't know we exist. It will probably skirt around the edge of Wilmington unless it changes course. We are already losing television reception. I don't know how much longer the electricity will be on.
      I'm glad it did not like your area. I hope it does not like us too much and will soon leave and go somewhere else.
      Evelyn

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Catherine
      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:22 AM
      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and the Weather, of course...

      Ernesto was forecast to hit us hard. Schools closed in preparation and homeowners (including me) brought in their lawn furniture and prepared for the worst.

      Fortunatly, Ernesto wimped out and we here in the Daytona area received no more then 2 inches of rain and not even enough wind to knock any branches off the trees. This was not even as bad as some of our normal afternoon thunderstorms.

      Unfortunatly, Ernesto is looking to get stronger and you may not be so lucky. I wish you much luck!

      I believe the book by the Southern Tuscarora tribe is written in timeline form. I will let you know more about it once I receive it. I plan on donating the book to a library when I am done with it. I don't know which library would want it but my first thought is the North Carolina Room at the New Hanover Library in Wilmington. I try to visit there every couple of years.

      I do appreciate your 'meanderings'. I love history but don't have the memory to retain so many facts and I appreciate those that do. You have been a big help in helping me formulate my ideas on how to write this paper. The funny thing is that I started off thinking I wouldn't have enough resources out there or enough information to put into 3000 words and now I'm wondering if my topic isn't narrow enough. I can't talk about the war without talking about the early history of the Tuscarora's or how they were treated by the colonists and why the war began in the first place. The war itself and the other indians tribes joining to fight against the Tuscarora's could also be lengthy. And I can't just end at the 'end' of the war but have to explain what happened afterwards. I also have to be careful because I've found some great web sites that sum all this up and I don't want to paraphrase or copy them closely. I wish I had the gift of words that you have!

      also,

      Carol, if you are reading this, can you email me offline? My email address is seadreamen@...

      Thanks!

      Catherine

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      From: Bob Forbes
      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:12 AM
      Subject: [genpcncfir] Some thoughts on the Indian Wars, and the Weather, of course...

      Catherine - Your 'expertise' characterization of my meanderings flatters me, but thanks for reading my post about this interesting and tragic period in NC's early history. I will be interested to read a copy of your paper once submitted, as well as your review of the book you found on the Southern Band of Tuscarora's website. I have looked around the website some and am a bit amazed at the level of feelings and even personal resentments expressed there about the actions of some of our ancestors 300 years ago.

      Fighting for various reasons (mostly over land but often just for revenge) was a way of life among the Indians long before European colonists arrived. The colonial leaders recognized the tension between different Indian groups and figured (correctly in most cases) that they could slowly take the land without losing many settlers' lives, simply by taking advantage of long-running hostilities that were already in place, and continuing to pit one group of Indians against another. With the exception of the few times that Indians banded together to strike at the colonists (such as the 1711 massacre and others), the Colonial and US Indian strategies worked pretty well. Indians could certainly put together a dominant force during the sporadic occasions that they did agree to fight together, however, right on through the late 1800's. For proof of that, just take a brief look back at Custer's Last Stand...

      Our ancestors on both the American Indian and European sides (and many of us w/ old roots on American soil have both sides in our blood whether we know it or not) did pretty much what they had to do to survive. In most cases, that meant fighting for the land that provided their only source of food, shelter, and income. I don't have a lot of patience with groups of minorities who feel they are owed compensation or renumeration for the choices our ancestors made a couple of hundred years ago. Granted, many of their acts were indeed atrocious, but seems to me that no single group of people had a monopoly on atrocities... they were committed by all.

      I will agree it's been pretty much a rule throughout history, though, that whatever group of people is dominant at any given time generally creates the most atrocities during that time. In the case of our European ancestors who came to America, that meant breaking many treaties that were made with the Indians. We've tried to compensate for our guilt in those cases with political acts of favoritism today. In return for the white man's history of breaking treaties, for example, we give Indian tribes monopolies on gambling casinos in lots of places, along with various other concessions. Tit for tat, I suppose. But when all's said & done, I trust we remember that we're all Americans first and foremost.

      Will end this one with the most universal of all topics (well, maybe the 2nd most;-), that being the weather. Many of us in the SE US are getting a mite wet today, courtesy of TS (and maybe little Hurricane, before it's over) Ernesto. We've already had some flash-flooding in the Charlotte area from the first rain band that came thru last night, and there will likely be a couple more later today. Latest satellite look at Accuweather.com (7 AM 8/31) shows Ernesto tightening right back into a classical cyclone shape as he settles over the Gulf Stream east of Jacksonville, FL, before heading north, and bound to get a little stronger before visiting eastern NC tonight - likely near Wilmington and not far from another Jacksonville. Folks from that area and due north thru the eastern seaboard are going to get drenched.... so let's pick up the trash, clear the storm drains, bring in the lawn furniture, and get ready for a soaking!

      Bob Forbes
      bforbes@...

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Catherine
      To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:58 PM
      Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Tuscarora Indian War of 1711-13
      Thank you so much Bob for listing your favorite sources. That will be a big
      help! I loved reading your summary of events and had no idea that my
      request would be answered by someone with such expertise! I am ever so
      grateful. I will send you a copy of my paper once I have completed it.

      I found the Lawson journal is available though my college library as an
      e-book and that will be a big help. I am also purchasing a book that I
      found through the Southern Band of Tuscarora's web site called
      "Onkwehonweh-the first people-Tuscarora". If you have not seen this book,
      then I will be glad to give you a review of it once I have seen it.

      I will try to get the North Carolina Indian book through interlibrary loan.
      Thank you so much for giving me such a great start!

      Catherine

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