Verzonden: wo 19-10-2005 0:24
Onderwerp: [gaykingdom] Re: Please check your religion at the door
First of all; thanks everyone who responded to my posting. I
appreciate you taking the time to put your points across.
Louis, I don't see how you compare religion to sexuality. The two
have nothing in common whatsoever. You ask me; where do we stop. It
is actually quite easy. In these matters you can only stop at zero,
so everyone is clear on the matter. Faith should be a private thing
and believers of any persuasion should not flaunt their religious
convictions but keep them to themselves.
Let me stress once again that I think anyone and everyone should be
free to believe what they want. Anyway, how are you going to stop
someone from believing, and why should you want to?
The Gay Kingdom as a political body wants to remain 'neutral' on
religious matters. I think that would be a mistake. Religious
movements of any kind could gain power and influence while the gay
government tries to maintain its neutrality. The results could be
disastrous. It wouldn't be the first time. So instead of maintaining
neutrality, the gay government should draw the line right from the
start: at zero.
This means that believers of any kind should not be allowed to form
organizations for any other purpose than to celebrate their faith
amongst themselves, in their own houses, mosks, temples, churches,
whatever. No religious group should have leaders that oversee more
than their own group or house. Religious groups that take their
leadership and direction from non-gay leaders outside of the gay
kingdom (most notably the catholic church) should not be allowed to
establish chapters in the gay kingdom at all. Religious leaders
should not be allowed to engage in any political activity, not even
in political endorsements. And of course religious groups should not
be tax-exempt, but just get tax deductions for the charity work they
As a non-believer and a gay man who knows his history, I take
offense when confronted with what should be the personal beliefs of
others. Apart from my personal opinion about religion and religious
beliefs, I want to reserve the right to be spared the unsollicited
and unwanted expressions of other people's personal matters.
Discretion and respect are the key. I don't want strangers to
intrude on my life with anything from loud pounding music, garbage
and dog shit, and public conversations on cell phones, to their
yeast infections on private body parts. Their spiritual beliefs are
also on this list.
I don't presume to have all the answers, but I think it is important
and useful to have the debate on religion (and spirituality) in the
gay kingdom. I think, as the first state worldwide to truly abolish
religion from government and public life, we could set an example
for the rest of the world. For religion is not just the root of all
anti-gay violence and oppression, it is also the cause of most armed
conflicts throughout history.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "SEBama1" <sebama1@g...> wrote:
> For one, I appreciate the fact that you have been keeping up
with the debates. However, I have to compare the "checking of your
religion at the door" with the idea of "checking your sexuality at
> With all this in mind I have but one question to ask you Gart,
just for you (and anyone else in this thought pattern) to ponder on.
At what point do we stop?
> Stop telling people what or how to believe, think, live? Oh, and
who may I ask is to make this decision?
> Can someone tell me when do we stop limiting others rights as
we are already limited in our current societies.
> Louis Trusty
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