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  • yank_canuck
    Jim wrote, Something else to consider, if we can get this gay kingdom going, is the second and future generations.  Whether by adoption, surrogate mothers,
    Message 1 of 13 , Dec 31, 2004
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      Jim wrote,
      Something else to consider, if we can get this gay kingdom
      going, is the second and future generations.  Whether by
      adoption, surrogate mothers, and artificial insemination, or what
      ever, there will be be a future generation and since we have no
      control over their genes, probably a majority of them will be
      heterosexual.  What  will be their place in the gay kingdom?  not
      second class citizenship, I hope; as the heterosexual kingdoms
      have imposed upon us.

      How do most gay people arrive?
      :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
      generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
    • Jaix99@aol.com
      I don t really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere near what the rest of the world wil be. It is not the dream of every Gay/Lesbian
      Message 2 of 13 , Dec 31, 2004
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        I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere near what the rest of the world wil be.  It is not the dream of every Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle.  I would hope that the ones that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more than replacement offspring.  We need to remember our planet and society and not just have babies "because we can".  Animals do that.  Hopefully this will be the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
        Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly.  So our source is assured. :>
        Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE 10,000.  And only that with waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place.  A long time I think.  It will all have to be state of the art stuff too.  Like waste disposal.  We can not hurt those coral reefs!

        Jaix
      • K MT
        The question of what to do with the heterosexuals who crop up is, indeed, a tough one. Even at replacement birth rates-- and leaving aside new immigration
        Message 3 of 13 , Dec 31, 2004
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          The question of what to do with the heterosexuals who crop up is, indeed, a tough one. Even at 'replacement' birth rates-- and leaving aside new immigration for the moment-- it wouldn't be very many generations before the GLK's native-born straight people would be the majority, and capable of essentially dictating their whims to Parliament.
           
          This will be a fiercely controversial notion, I'm sure, but I think we'd have to fundamentally decide at the outset whether to allow the Kingdom to ineluctably evolve in that direction, or not. If so, we need do nothing, and thence we cannot call the erosion of the Gay basis of the Kingdom a bad thing in the future. 
           
          If not, we would have to look at future ideas such as disproportional Gay & Lesbian representation in Parliament to preserve the balance of power the Founders set out to attain and protect.
           
          Bringing the idea of future Gay & Lesbian immigration back into the question now, it would likely eventuallly need to be sufficiently encouraged (and perhaps governmentally subsidized) so as to, again, retain the Founders' vision of the nation.
           
          Something to consider in the argument is this: so often the Gay people are terribly attached to the idea that we must at all costs be better  than 'them.' We would never NEVER behave in a manner that would even appear to be the slightest bit unfair-- because that would make us just like 'them.'  How will they accept us, unless we demonstrate clearly how much better we are?
           
          Sovereignty changes everything. With hegemony over a portion of the globe, we would no longer have anything to prove to 'them.'  In such a scenario, we need only be as 'good' as circumstances require. Nation building hurts, and no one can be totally fair to everyone-- you just do your best.
            

          Jaix99@... wrote:
          I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere near what the rest of the world wil be.  It is not the dream of every Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle.  I would hope that the ones that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more than replacement offspring.  We need to remember our planet and society and not just have babies "because we can".  Animals do that.  Hopefully this will be the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
          Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly.  So our source is assured. :>
          Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE 10,000.  And only that with waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place.  A long time I think.  It will all have to be state of the art stuff too.  Like waste disposal.  We can not hurt those coral reefs!

          Jaix



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        • Fremont BridgeMan
          Will we accept immigration of heterosexuals that subscribe to the non-discrimination clause of the citizenship application? How will we enforce the
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            Will we accept immigration of heterosexuals that subscribe to the non-discrimination clause of the citizenship application?

             

            How will we enforce the non-discrimination clause among our citizens?

             

            Are we, or will we be willing to deport/banish those that discriminate?

             

            Joe

            Seattle



            Jaix99@... wrote:
            I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere near what the rest of the world wil be.  It is not the dream of every Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle.  I would hope that the ones that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more than replacement offspring.  We need to remember our planet and society and not just have babies "because we can".  Animals do that.  Hopefully this will be the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
            Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly.  So our source is assured. :>
            Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE 10,000.  And only that with waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place.  A long time I think.  It will all have to be state of the art stuff too.  Like waste disposal.  We can not hurt those coral reefs!

            Jaix

          • Jim Creasy
            My question wasn t, How will we find more gay citizens for the future of the Kingdom. Rather, I was asking, What will be the status of the straight
            Message 5 of 13 , Dec 31, 2004
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              My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay citizens for the future of the Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What will be the status of the straight offspring of the curre and future gay citizens?" Gay people have children through various means, probably a majority of these offspring will be heterosexuals. How will they fit into the new social order we create in the GK?
              JiM ><>

              yank_canuck <yank_canuck@...>
              wrote:

              How do most gay people arrive?
              :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
              generation wiull find its way to GLK :)


              James A. Creasy 
                  Where generation, class, or race      
                  divide us to our shame,
                  Christ sees not labels but a face,
                  a person, and a name.
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            • Jimmy
              Here is what I think, If a Gay citizen has a child by any means that is heterosexual I would assume the these parents would be accepting and would teach
              Message 6 of 13 , Dec 31, 2004
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                Here is what I think, If a Gay citizen has a child by any means that is heterosexual I would assume the these parents would be accepting and would teach acceptance to that child as he/she grows up. I would say that they would be accept by the citizens would accept them as well.
                 
                Jimmy Whatley
                -----Original Message-----
                From: Jim Creasy [mailto:creasyja@...]
                Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 6:34 PM
                To: gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [gaykingdom] Future generations

                My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay citizens for the future of the Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What will be the status of the straight offspring of the curre and future gay citizens?" Gay people have children through various means, probably a majority of these offspring will be heterosexuals. How will they fit into the new social order we create in the GK?
                JiM ><>

                yank_canuck <yank_canuck@...>
                wrote:

                How do most gay people arrive?
                :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                generation wiull find its way to GLK :)


                James A. Creasy 
                    Where generation, class, or race      
                    divide us to our shame,
                    Christ sees not labels but a face,
                    a person, and a name.
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              • MALEbox101@aol.com
                Hi everyone, I m just wondering how the Kingdom will be passed on after Dale s time is gone. Any ideas? Michael Weiss ========Original Message========
                Message 7 of 13 , Jan 3, 2005
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                  Hi everyone,
                   
                  I'm just wondering how the Kingdom will be passed on after Dale's time is gone.  Any ideas?
                   
                  Michael Weiss
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                  Subj:[gaykingdom] Digest Number 25
                  Date:1/1/2005 10:32:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
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                  There are 17 messages in this issue.

                  Topics in this digest:

                        1. Future generations
                             From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                        2. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                             From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@...>
                        3. Re: Future generations
                             From: Jaix99@...
                        4. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                             From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@...>
                        5. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                             From: "Paul Gohranson and Todd Rogers" <paul_m_gohranson@...>
                        6. Re: Future generations
                             From: K MT <kyleovision@...>
                        7. Re: Future generations
                             From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@...>
                        8. Re: Future generations
                             From: Jim Creasy <creasyja@...>
                        9. RE: Future generations
                             From: "Jimmy" <jwhatle2@...>
                       10. Re: India's Eunuch Culture
                             From: "Bill" <wjf@...>
                       11. GLK Cultural "Meme"
                             From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                       12. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                             From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                       13. LGBT community responds to ASIA Quake Disaster
                             From: "Fremont BridgeMan" <wsbridgeman@...>
                       14. Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                             From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                       15. URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                             From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                       16. Tagomago  one mo' time
                             From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                       17. Re: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                             From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@...>


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                  Message: 1        
                     Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:13:11 -0000
                     From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                  Subject: Future generations


                  Jim wrote,
                  Something else to consider, if we can get this gay kingdom
                  going, is the second and future generations.  Whether by
                  adoption, surrogate mothers, and artificial insemination, or what
                  ever, there will be be a future generation and since we have no
                  control over their genes, probably a majority of them will be
                  heterosexual.  What  will be their place in the gay kingdom?  not
                  second class citizenship, I hope; as the heterosexual kingdoms
                  have imposed upon us.

                  How do most gay people arrive?
                  :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                  generation wiull find its way to GLK :)





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                  Message: 2        
                     Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:40:19 -0000
                     From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@...>
                  Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago


                  Ofcourse there is a link available!
                  here it is

                  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/

                  thank you for your interresst!

                  Miss Massa-Martinez
                  prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago



                  --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Garvin" <todgar@y...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Is there a link available?
                  >
                  > Cheers!
                  > Todd
                  >
                  > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi"
                  <sera_konosi@y...>
                  > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                  > >
                  > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!





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                  Message: 3        
                     Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:41:36 EST
                     From: Jaix99@...
                  Subject: Re: Future generations

                  I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere
                  near what the rest of the world wil be.  It is not the dream of every
                  Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle.  I would hope that the ones
                  that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more
                  than replacement offspring.  We need to remember our planet and society and not
                  just have babies "because we can".  Animals do that.  Hopefully this will be
                  the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                  Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born
                  around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly.  So our source is
                  assured. :>
                  Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE
                  10,000.  And only that with
                  waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place.  A long time I think.  It will all have to be state of the
                  art stuff too.  Like waste disposal.  We can not hurt those coral reefs!

                  Jaix


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                  Message: 4        
                     Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:44:15 -0000
                     From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@...>
                  Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago


                  --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                  >
                  > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!

                  And here you can find us
                  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/





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                  Message: 5        
                     Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:50:09 -0000
                     From: "Paul Gohranson and Todd Rogers" <paul_m_gohranson@...>
                  Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago


                  It is my understanding, from speaking to Bill, that citizenship will
                  be granted to all citizens children and family who are supportive of
                  gay and lesbian people.

                  As a father of 4 myself, who had my children the old fashioned way,
                  I am glad to have this opprotunity to bring them to a place where
                  they would never have to worry of what people thought of their
                  fathers sexuality!

                  At the same time we need to be carefull of infiltrators. There will
                  be many who will want us to not succeed!

                  Paul..


                  --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                  > here it is
                  >
                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                  >
                  > thank you for your interresst!
                  >
                  > Miss Massa-Martinez
                  > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Garvin" <todgar@y...>
                  wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Is there a link available?
                  > >
                  > > Cheers!
                  > > Todd
                  > >
                  > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi"
                  > <sera_konosi@y...>
                  > > wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                  > > >
                  > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!





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                  Message: 6        
                     Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:11:46 -0800 (PST)
                     From: K MT <kyleovision@...>
                  Subject: Re: Future generations

                  The question of what to do with the heterosexuals who crop up is, indeed, a tough one. Even at 'replacement' birth rates-- and leaving aside new immigration for the moment-- it wouldn't be very many generations before the GLK's native-born straight people would be the majority, and capable of essentially dictating their whims to Parliament.

                  This will be a fiercely controversial notion, I'm sure, but I think we'd have to fundamentally decide at the outset whether to allow the Kingdom to ineluctably evolve in that direction, or not. If so, we need do nothing, and thence we cannot call the erosion of the Gay basis of the Kingdom a bad thing in the future.

                  If not, we would have to look at future ideas such as disproportional Gay & Lesbian representation in Parliament to preserve the balance of power the Founders set out to attain and protect.

                  Bringing the idea of future Gay & Lesbian immigration back into the question now, it would likely eventuallly need to be sufficiently encouraged (and perhaps governmentally subsidized) so as to, again, retain the Founders' vision of the nation.

                  Something to consider in the argument is this: so often the Gay people are terribly attached to the idea that we must at all costs be better  than 'them.' We would never NEVER behave in a manner that would even appear to be the slightest bit unfair-- because that would make us just like 'them.'  How will they accept us, unless we demonstrate clearly how much better we are?

                  Sovereignty changes everything. With hegemony over a portion of the globe, we would no longer have anything to prove to 'them.'  In such a scenario, we need only be as 'good' as circumstances require. Nation building hurts, and no one can be totally fair to everyone-- you just do your best.
                   

                  Jaix99@... wrote:
                  I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere near what the rest of the world wil be.  It is not the dream of every Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle.  I would hope that the ones that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more than replacement offspring.  We need to remember our planet and society and not just have babies "because we can".  Animals do that.  Hopefully this will be the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                  Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly.  So our source is assured. :>
                  Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE 10,000.  And only that with waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place.  A long time I think.  It will all have to be state of the art stuff too.  Like waste disposal.  We can not hurt those coral reefs!

                  Jaix
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                  Message: 7        
                     Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:30:01 -0800 (PST)
                     From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@...>
                  Subject: Re: Future generations


                  Will we accept immigration of heterosexuals that subscribe to the non-discrimination clause of the citizenship application?



                  How will we enforce the non-discrimination clause among our citizens?



                  Are we, or will we be willing to deport/banish those that discriminate?



                  Joe

                  Seattle


                  Jaix99@... wrote:I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere near what the rest of the world wil be.  It is not the dream of every Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle.  I would hope that the ones that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more than replacement offspring.  We need to remember our planet and society and not just have babies "because we can".  Animals do that.  Hopefully this will be the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                  Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly.  So our source is assured. :>
                  Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE 10,000.  And only that with waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place.  A long time I think.  It will all have to be state of the art stuff too.  Like waste disposal.  We can not hurt those coral reefs!

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                  Message: 8        
                     Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:34:28 -0800 (PST)
                     From: Jim Creasy <creasyja@...>
                  Subject: Re: Future generations

                  My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay citizens for the future of the Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What will be the status of the straight offspring of the curre and future gay citizens?" Gay people have children through various means, probably a majority of these offspring will be heterosexuals. How will they fit into the new social order we create in the GK?
                  JiM ><>

                  yank_canuck <yank_canuck@...> wrote:

                  How do most gay people arrive?
                  :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                  generation wiull find its way to GLK :)



                  James A. Creasy 
                      Where generation, class, or race      
                      divide us to our shame,
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                  Message: 9        
                     Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:18:32 -0600
                     From: "Jimmy" <jwhatle2@...>
                  Subject: RE: Future generations

                  Here is what I think, If a Gay citizen has a child by any means that is
                  heterosexual I would assume the these parents would be accepting and
                  would teach acceptance to that child as he/she grows up. I would say
                  that they would be accept by the citizens would accept them as well.

                  Jimmy Whatley

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Jim Creasy [mailto:creasyja@...]
                  Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 6:34 PM
                  To: gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [gaykingdom] Future generations



                  My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay citizens for the future
                  of the Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What will be the status of the
                  straight offspring of the curre and future gay citizens?" Gay people
                  have children through various means, probably a majority of these
                  offspring will be heterosexuals. How will they fit into the new social
                  order we create in the GK?
                  JiM ><>

                  yank_canuck <yank_canuck@...> wrote:


                  How do most gay people arrive?
                  :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                  generation wiull find its way to GLK :)




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                  Message: 10       
                     Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:33:30 -0000
                     From: "Bill" <wjf@...>
                  Subject: Re: India's Eunuch Culture


                  Hi Jim,

                  Since immigration was opened, I have repeatedly been asked the following question:

                  Are transgender people welcome in the Kingdom?

                  As a part of applying for citizenship in the Gay Kingdom, applicants are required to make
                  the following oath or affirmation:

                  4. I swear or affirm that I am a member of the "Unified Gay Tribe", that I am a person who
                  refuses to ascribe to an otherwise oppressive gender identity. Such persons may be, but
                  are not limited to the following: homosexual, bisexual, lesbian, transgendered,
                  hermaphroditic, heterosexual or asexual, or that I hold such a person as kin and thereby
                  include myself as a lawful member of the Unified Gay Tribe.

                  This means that transgender people are welcome on the island and would be amongst
                  other GK citizens who refuse oppressive gender identification too.

                  A careful, caring read of the affirmation also means that heterosexual people are welcome
                  on the island and would be amongst other GK citizens who refuse oppressive gender
                  identification too.

                  --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...> wrote:
                  > ... there will be be a future generation and since we have no control over their genes,
                  probably a majority of them will be heterosexual.  What  will be their place in the gay
                  kingdom? 





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                  Message: 11       
                     Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 03:09:09 -0000
                     From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                  Subject: GLK Cultural "Meme"


                  --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wjf@b...> wrote:

                  > 4. I swear or affirm that I am a member of the "Unified Gay Tribe", that I am
                  a person who
                  > refuses to ascribe to an otherwise oppressive gender identity. Such persons
                  may be, but
                  > are not limited to the following: homosexual, bisexual, lesbian,
                  transgendered,
                  > hermaphroditic, heterosexual or asexual, or that I hold such a person as kin
                  and thereby
                  > include myself as a lawful member of the Unified Gay Tribe.
                  >
                  > This means that transgender people are welcome on the island and would
                  be amongst
                  > other GK citizens who refuse oppressive gender identification too.
                  >
                  > A careful, caring read of the affirmation also means that heterosexual
                  people are welcome
                  > on the island and would be amongst other GK citizens who refuse
                  oppressive gender identification too.

                  We can hope that, just as cultural ideas/philosphies/"memes" helped to
                  increase universal human rights by discouraging and outlawing prejudice
                  based on gender or color, that eventually GLK's affirmation will be a norm. 





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                  Message: 12       
                     Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 03:39:47 -0000
                     From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                  Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago


                  I have been following with appreciation the careful, patient and correct work
                  that HRH Dale and his advisors of the Gay Court  have done to ensure that
                  Austraila and any other parties cannot strike back.

                  Today the first Tagomago post came in, and I spent some time with search
                  engines after it appeared.

                  As of 3 pm today, a seach for the word "Tagomago" did nort lead to any sites
                  regarding any independent country. Rather, "Tagomago" is a tourist district or
                  hotal venue in Ibiza, Spain.

                  http://www.ibiza-island.to/

                  Ibiza, the alleged location of the  kingdom, is an island shaped somewhat like
                  Ireland - but much smaller - off the Mediterranean coast of Spain.

                  According to the Rules of War, the Kingdom of Spain would be perfectly within
                  its rights to quell, quash and nullify any upstart pretender to its soverignty
                  over Ibiza.



                  > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                  > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                  > > here it is
                  > >
                  > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                  > >
                  > > thank you for your interresst!
                  > >
                  > > Miss Massa-Martinez
                  > > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!





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                  Message: 13       
                     Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 05:07:53 -0000
                     From: "Fremont BridgeMan" <wsbridgeman@...>
                  Subject: LGBT community responds to ASIA Quake Disaster


                  A site worth checking out.

                  http://www.rainbowfund.org/

                  Joe
                  Seattle





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                  Message: 14       
                     Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:53:22 -0000
                     From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                  Subject: Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE


                  Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                  commercial property up for sale.

                  So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                  in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                  under the rule of the country of Spain.


                  http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                  tm

                  Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!






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                  Message: 15       
                     Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:58:01 -0000
                     From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                  Subject: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE


                  Here's the right URL - sorry!
                  http://tinyurl.com/53tvd


                  --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                  > commercial property up for sale.
                  >
                  > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                  > in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                  > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                  >
                  >
                  > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                  > tm
                  >
                  > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!





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                  Message: 16       
                     Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:03:51 -0000
                     From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@...>
                  Subject: Tagomago  one mo' time


                  http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.htm





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                  Message: 17       
                     Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:41:26 -0800 (PST)
                     From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@...>
                  Subject: Re: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE

                  Still not the right URL.  When I click, or Cut-N-Paste all I get is the following error message;

                  "404 Page Not FoundThe following page:

                  http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h

                  was not found in our site.
                  Unfortunately the page you requested no longer exists in our site. The webmaster has been notified of this error."

                  So it's still looks like a bogus idea to me.

                  Joe

                  Seattle

                  yank_canuck <yank_canuck@...> wrote:

                  Here's the right URL - sorry!
                  http://tinyurl.com/53tvd


                  --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                  > commercial property up for sale.
                  >
                  > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                  > in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                  > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                  >
                  >
                  > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                  > tm
                  >
                  > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!





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                • yank_canuck
                  ... Dale s time is ... Ask about crown Prince Lachlan :) :) :)
                  Message 8 of 13 , Jan 3, 2005
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                    --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, MALEbox101@a... wrote:
                    > Hi everyone,
                    >
                    > I'm just wondering how the Kingdom will be passed on after
                    Dale's time is
                    > gone. Any ideas?
                    >


                    <big snip>

                    Ask about crown Prince Lachlan :) :) :)
                  • Bill
                    Hi Michael, For today, and the foreseeable future, devolution from HM Dale to HIH Prince Lachlan. Should there be a crisis in which Dale and Lachlan are
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                      Hi Michael,

                      For today, and the foreseeable future, devolution from HM Dale to HIH Prince Lachlan.
                      Should there be a crisis in which Dale and Lachlan are unavailable for purposes of
                      governance, the Privvy Council presently has authority to establish governance in exile. In
                      short, this is not an imminent problem.

                      I think a more timely question would be finding gay, trusted jurists to sit on the PC,
                      finding the current generation of GLK citizens, and developing the Kingdom in such a
                      manner that these other questions, in the fullness of time, find resolution. In the short
                      term, the ICJ submission is what we think matters most today.

                      Until we all have basic human rights, we do not live free.

                      Cheers,

                      -Bill Freeman
                      gaycourt.org


                      --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, MALEbox101@a... wrote:
                      > Hi everyone,
                      >
                      > I'm just wondering how the Kingdom will be passed on after Dale's time is
                      > gone. Any ideas?
                      >
                      > Michael Weiss
                      > ========Original Message========
                      > Subj:[gaykingdom] Digest Number 25
                      > Date:1/1/2005 10:32:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
                      > From:gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                      > To:gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent on:
                      >
                      >
                      > There are 17 messages in this issue.
                      >
                      > Topics in this digest:
                      >
                      > 1. Future generations
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > 2. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                      > From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                      > 3. Re: Future generations
                      > From: Jaix99@a...
                      > 4. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                      > From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                      > 5. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                      > From: "Paul Gohranson and Todd Rogers"
                      > <paul_m_gohranson@e...>
                      > 6. Re: Future generations
                      > From: K MT <kyleovision@y...>
                      > 7. Re: Future generations
                      > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                      > 8. Re: Future generations
                      > From: Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...>
                      > 9. RE: Future generations
                      > From: "Jimmy" <jwhatle2@b...>
                      > 10. Re: India's Eunuch Culture
                      > From: "Bill" <wjf@b...>
                      > 11. GLK Cultural "Meme"
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > 12. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > 13. LGBT community responds to ASIA Quake Disaster
                      > From: "Fremont BridgeMan" <wsbridgeman@y...>
                      > 14. Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > 15. URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > 16. Tagomago one mo' time
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > 17. Re: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                      > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      >
                      > Message: 1
                      > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:13:11 -0000
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > Subject: Future generations
                      >
                      >
                      > Jim wrote,
                      > Something else to consider, if we can get this gay kingdom
                      > going, is the second and future generations. Whether by
                      > adoption, surrogate mothers, and artificial insemination, or what
                      > ever, there will be be a future generation and since we have no
                      > control over their genes, probably a majority of them will be
                      > heterosexual. What will be their place in the gay kingdom? not
                      > second class citizenship, I hope; as the heterosexual kingdoms
                      > have imposed upon us.
                      >
                      > How do most gay people arrive?
                      > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                      > generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      >
                      > Message: 2
                      > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:40:19 -0000
                      > From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                      > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                      >
                      >
                      > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                      > here it is
                      >
                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                      >
                      > thank you for your interresst!
                      >
                      > Miss Massa-Martinez
                      > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Garvin" <todgar@y...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Is there a link available?
                      > >
                      > > Cheers!
                      > > Todd
                      > >
                      > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi"
                      > <sera_konosi@y...>
                      > > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                      > > >
                      > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      >
                      > Message: 3
                      > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:41:36 EST
                      > From: Jaix99@a...
                      > Subject: Re: Future generations
                      >
                      > I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere
                      > near what the rest of the world wil be. It is not the dream of every
                      > Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle. I would hope that
                      > the ones
                      > that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more
                      > than replacement offspring. We need to remember our planet and society and
                      > not
                      > just have babies "because we can". Animals do that. Hopefully this will be
                      > the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                      > Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born
                      > around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly. So our source
                      > is
                      > assured. :>
                      > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE
                      > 10,000. And only that with
                      > waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place. A long
                      > time I think. It will all have to be state of the
                      > art stuff too. Like waste disposal. We can not hurt those coral reefs!
                      >
                      > Jaix
                      >
                      >
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                      > Message: 4
                      > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:44:15 -0000
                      > From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                      > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                      > >
                      > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                      >
                      > And here you can find us
                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      >
                      > Message: 5
                      > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:50:09 -0000
                      > From: "Paul Gohranson and Todd Rogers" <paul_m_gohranson@e...>
                      > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                      >
                      >
                      > It is my understanding, from speaking to Bill, that citizenship will
                      > be granted to all citizens children and family who are supportive of
                      > gay and lesbian people.
                      >
                      > As a father of 4 myself, who had my children the old fashioned way,
                      > I am glad to have this opprotunity to bring them to a place where
                      > they would never have to worry of what people thought of their
                      > fathers sexuality!
                      >
                      > At the same time we need to be carefull of infiltrators. There will
                      > be many who will want us to not succeed!
                      >
                      > Paul..
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                      > > here it is
                      > >
                      > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                      > >
                      > > thank you for your interresst!
                      > >
                      > > Miss Massa-Martinez
                      > > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Garvin" <todgar@y...>
                      > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Is there a link available?
                      > > >
                      > > > Cheers!
                      > > > Todd
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi"
                      > > <sera_konosi@y...>
                      > > > wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      >
                      > Message: 6
                      > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:11:46 -0800 (PST)
                      > From: K MT <kyleovision@y...>
                      > Subject: Re: Future generations
                      >
                      > The question of what to do with the heterosexuals who crop up is, indeed, a
                      > tough one. Even at 'replacement' birth rates-- and leaving aside new
                      > immigration for the moment-- it wouldn't be very many generations before the GLK's
                      > native-born straight people would be the majority, and capable of essentially
                      > dictating their whims to Parliament.
                      >
                      > This will be a fiercely controversial notion, I'm sure, but I think we'd have
                      > to fundamentally decide at the outset whether to allow the Kingdom to
                      > ineluctably evolve in that direction, or not. If so, we need do nothing, and thence
                      > we cannot call the erosion of the Gay basis of the Kingdom a bad thing in the
                      > future.
                      >
                      > If not, we would have to look at future ideas such as disproportional Gay &
                      > Lesbian representation in Parliament to preserve the balance of power the
                      > Founders set out to attain and protect.
                      >
                      > Bringing the idea of future Gay & Lesbian immigration back into the question
                      > now, it would likely eventuallly need to be sufficiently encouraged (and
                      > perhaps governmentally subsidized) so as to, again, retain the Founders' vision of
                      > the nation.
                      >
                      > Something to consider in the argument is this: so often the Gay people are
                      > terribly attached to the idea that we must at all costs be better than 'them.'
                      > We would never NEVER behave in a manner that would even appear to be the
                      > slightest bit unfair-- because that would make us just like 'them.' How will they
                      > accept us, unless we demonstrate clearly how much better we are?
                      >
                      > Sovereignty changes everything. With hegemony over a portion of the globe, we
                      > would no longer have anything to prove to 'them.' In such a scenario, we
                      > need only be as 'good' as circumstances require. Nation building hurts, and no
                      > one can be totally fair to everyone-- you just do your best.
                      >
                      >
                      > Jaix99@a... wrote:
                      > I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere
                      > near what the rest of the world wil be. It is not the dream of every
                      > Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle. I would hope that the ones
                      > that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more
                      > than replacement offspring. We need to remember our planet and society and not
                      > just have babies "because we can". Animals do that. Hopefully this will be
                      > the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                      > Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born
                      > around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly. So our source is
                      > assured. :>
                      > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE
                      > 10,000. And only that with
                      > waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place. A long time I
                      think. It will all have to be state of the
                      > art stuff too. Like waste disposal. We can not hurt those coral reefs!
                      >
                      > Jaix
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                      > Message: 7
                      > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:30:01 -0800 (PST)
                      > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                      > Subject: Re: Future generations
                      >
                      >
                      > Will we accept immigration of heterosexuals that subscribe to the
                      > non-discrimination clause of the citizenship application?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > How will we enforce the non-discrimination clause among our citizens?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Are we, or will we be willing to deport/banish those that discriminate?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Joe
                      >
                      > Seattle
                      >
                      >
                      > Jaix99@a... wrote:I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is
                      > going to come anywhere near what the rest of the world wil be. It is not the
                      > dream of every Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle. I would
                      > hope that the ones that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way
                      > and not have more than replacement offspring. We need to remember our planet
                      > and society and not just have babies "because we can". Animals do that.
                      > Hopefully this will be the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                      > Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born
                      > around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly. So our source is
                      > assured. :>
                      > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE
                      > 10,000. And only that with
                      > waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place. A long time I
                      think. It will all have to be state of the
                      > art stuff too. Like waste disposal. We can not hurt those coral reefs!
                      >
                      > Jaix
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                      > Message: 8
                      > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:34:28 -0800 (PST)
                      > From: Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...>
                      > Subject: Re: Future generations
                      >
                      > My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay citizens for the future of the
                      > Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What will be the status of the straight
                      > offspring of the curre and future gay citizens?" Gay people have children through
                      > various means, probably a majority of these offspring will be heterosexuals.
                      > How will they fit into the new social order we create in the GK?
                      > JiM ><>
                      >
                      > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                      >
                      > How do most gay people arrive?
                      > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                      > generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > James A. Creasy
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                      > Message: 9
                      > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:18:32 -0600
                      > From: "Jimmy" <jwhatle2@b...>
                      > Subject: RE: Future generations
                      >
                      > Here is what I think, If a Gay citizen has a child by any means that is
                      > heterosexual I would assume the these parents would be accepting and
                      > would teach acceptance to that child as he/she grows up. I would say
                      > that they would be accept by the citizens would accept them as well.
                      >
                      > Jimmy Whatley
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: Jim Creasy [mailto:creasyja@y...]
                      > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 6:34 PM
                      > To: gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: Re: [gaykingdom] Future generations
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay citizens for the future
                      > of the Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What will be the status of the
                      > straight offspring of the curre and future gay citizens?" Gay people
                      > have children through various means, probably a majority of these
                      > offspring will be heterosexuals. How will they fit into the new social
                      > order we create in the GK?
                      > JiM ><>
                      >
                      > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > How do most gay people arrive?
                      > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
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                      > From: "Bill" <wjf@b...>
                      > Subject: Re: India's Eunuch Culture
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Jim,
                      >
                      > Since immigration was opened, I have repeatedly been asked the following
                      > question:
                      >
                      > Are transgender people welcome in the Kingdom?
                      >
                      > As a part of applying for citizenship in the Gay Kingdom, applicants are
                      > required to make
                      > the following oath or affirmation:
                      >
                      > 4. I swear or affirm that I am a member of the "Unified Gay Tribe", that I am
                      > a person who
                      > refuses to ascribe to an otherwise oppressive gender identity. Such persons
                      > may be, but
                      > are not limited to the following: homosexual, bisexual, lesbian,
                      > transgendered,
                      > hermaphroditic, heterosexual or asexual, or that I hold such a person as kin
                      > and thereby
                      > include myself as a lawful member of the Unified Gay Tribe.
                      >
                      > This means that transgender people are welcome on the island and would be
                      > amongst
                      > other GK citizens who refuse oppressive gender identification too.
                      >
                      > A careful, caring read of the affirmation also means that heterosexual people
                      > are welcome
                      > on the island and would be amongst other GK citizens who refuse oppressive
                      > gender
                      > identification too.
                      >
                      > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...> wrote:
                      > > ... there will be be a future generation and since we have no control over
                      > their genes,
                      > probably a majority of them will be heterosexual. What will be their place
                      > in the gay
                      > kingdom?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      >
                      > Message: 11
                      > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 03:09:09 -0000
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > Subject: GLK Cultural "Meme"
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wjf@b...> wrote:
                      >
                      > > 4. I swear or affirm that I am a member of the "Unified Gay Tribe", that I
                      > am
                      > a person who
                      > > refuses to ascribe to an otherwise oppressive gender identity. Such persons
                      > may be, but
                      > > are not limited to the following: homosexual, bisexual, lesbian,
                      > transgendered,
                      > > hermaphroditic, heterosexual or asexual, or that I hold such a person as
                      > kin
                      > and thereby
                      > > include myself as a lawful member of the Unified Gay Tribe.
                      > >
                      > > This means that transgender people are welcome on the island and would
                      > be amongst
                      > > other GK citizens who refuse oppressive gender identification too.
                      > >
                      > > A careful, caring read of the affirmation also means that heterosexual
                      > people are welcome
                      > > on the island and would be amongst other GK citizens who refuse
                      > oppressive gender identification too.
                      >
                      > We can hope that, just as cultural ideas/philosphies/"memes" helped to
                      > increase universal human rights by discouraging and outlawing prejudice
                      > based on gender or color, that eventually GLK's affirmation will be a norm.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                      >
                      > Message: 12
                      > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 03:39:47 -0000
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                      >
                      >
                      > I have been following with appreciation the careful, patient and correct work
                      > that HRH Dale and his advisors of the Gay Court have done to ensure that
                      > Austraila and any other parties cannot strike back.
                      >
                      > Today the first Tagomago post came in, and I spent some time with search
                      > engines after it appeared.
                      >
                      > As of 3 pm today, a seach for the word "Tagomago" did nort lead to any sites
                      > regarding any independent country. Rather, "Tagomago" is a tourist district
                      > or
                      > hotal venue in Ibiza, Spain.
                      >
                      > http://www.ibiza-island.to/
                      >
                      > Ibiza, the alleged location of the kingdom, is an island shaped somewhat
                      > like
                      > Ireland - but much smaller - off the Mediterranean coast of Spain.
                      >
                      > According to the Rules of War, the Kingdom of Spain would be perfectly within
                      > its rights to quell, quash and nullify any upstart pretender to its
                      > soverignty
                      > over Ibiza.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                      > > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                      > > > here it is
                      > > >
                      > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                      > > >
                      > > > thank you for your interresst!
                      > > >
                      > > > Miss Massa-Martinez
                      > > > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      >
                      > Message: 13
                      > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 05:07:53 -0000
                      > From: "Fremont BridgeMan" <wsbridgeman@y...>
                      > Subject: LGBT community responds to ASIA Quake Disaster
                      >
                      >
                      > A site worth checking out.
                      >
                      > http://www.rainbowfund.org/
                      >
                      > Joe
                      > Seattle
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                      >
                      > Message: 14
                      > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:53:22 -0000
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > Subject: Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                      >
                      >
                      > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                      > commercial property up for sale.
                      >
                      > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                      > in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                      > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                      >
                      >
                      > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                      > tm
                      >
                      > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                      >
                      > Message: 15
                      > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:58:01 -0000
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > Subject: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                      >
                      >
                      > Here's the right URL - sorry!
                      > http://tinyurl.com/53tvd
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                      > > commercial property up for sale.
                      > >
                      > > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                      > > in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                      > > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                      > > tm
                      > >
                      > > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      >
                      > Message: 16
                      > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:03:51 -0000
                      > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > Subject: Tagomago one mo' time
                      >
                      >
                      > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.htm
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      > ________________________________________________________________________
                      >
                      > Message: 17
                      > Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:41:26 -0800 (PST)
                      > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                      > Subject: Re: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                      >
                      > Still not the right URL. When I click, or Cut-N-Paste all I get is the
                      > following error message;
                      >
                      > "404 Page Not FoundThe following page:
                      >
                      > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                      >
                      > was not found in our site.
                      > Unfortunately the page you requested no longer exists in our site. The
                      > webmaster has been notified of this error."
                      >
                      > So it's still looks like a bogus idea to me.
                      >
                      > Joe
                      >
                      > Seattle
                      >
                      > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Here's the right URL - sorry!
                      > http://tinyurl.com/53tvd
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                      > > commercial property up for sale.
                      > >
                      > > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                      > > in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                      > > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                      > > tm
                      > >
                      > > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
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                      The statement, “I think a more timely question would be finding gay, trusted jurists to sit on the PC”, required me to find out just what a Privy Council
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                        The statement, �I think a more timely question would be finding gay, trusted jurists to sit on the PC�, required me to find out just what a Privy Council is.  Being an American, I�ve heard of a Privy Council, but never really cared what it was.  I went to www.dictionary.com and this is the results of the search for Privy Council�

                         

                        �Priv�y Council  Pronunciation Key  (pr v ) n.

                        1.                  A council of the British sovereign that until the 17th century was the supreme legislative body, that now consists of cabinet ministers ex officio and others appointed for life, and that has no important function except through its Judicial Committee, which in certain cases acts as a supreme appellate court in the Commonwealth.

                        2.                  privy council An advisory council to an executive�

                        As an older Gay man, (56), one that has traveled all over the word during my twenty-six years in the military, and someone very active in local and national politics in the U.S., I have often had the feeling that the trouble with government was laws are made by lawyers and not regular people. 

                         

                        I am often reminded of Shakespeare's Tribute to Trial Lawyers, when he wrote in Henry VI, Part II, (Act IV), Scene 2, �The First Thing We Do, Let's Kill All the Lawyers�.  While Shakespeare was really paying great and deserved homage to the venerable legal profession as the front line defenders of democracy, there does tend to be snobbishness among 'SOME' lawyers that only lawyers can understand the law and thus only lawyers are capable enough to make the law.  The law tends to be way to complicated for many and thus the law must be interpreted by those that wrote it � continuing the distance between those that make the law and those that must live with the law.

                         

                        I do not understand why, someone with common since, some advanced education is not as capable as a lawyer with years of education in making law and sitting in judgment on their fellow citizens.  The more complex we make the law the more distance there is between those that govern and those that are governed. 

                         

                        Ok� leaving the soapbox for the next in line. J

                         

                        Joe

                        Seattle



                        Bill <wjf@...> wrote:

                        Hi Michael,

                        For today, and the foreseeable future, devolution from HM Dale to HIH Prince Lachlan. 
                        Should there be a crisis in which Dale and Lachlan are unavailable for purposes of
                        governance, the Privvy Council presently has authority to establish governance in exile.  In
                        short, this is not an imminent problem. 

                        I think a more timely question would be finding gay, trusted jurists to sit on the PC,
                        finding the current generation of GLK citizens, and developing the Kingdom in such a
                        manner that these other questions, in the fullness of time, find resolution.  In the short
                        term, the ICJ submission is what we think matters most today. 

                        Until we all have basic human rights, we do not live free.

                        Cheers,

                        -Bill Freeman
                        gaycourt.org


                        --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, MALEbox101@a... wrote:
                        > Hi everyone,
                        >
                        > I'm just wondering how the Kingdom will be passed on after Dale's time is
                        > gone.  Any ideas?
                        >
                        > Michael Weiss
                        > ========Original Message========
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                        > Date:1/1/2005 10:32:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
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                        > There are 17 messages in this issue.
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                        > Topics in this digest:
                        >
                        >       1. Future generations
                        >            From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        >       2. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                        >            From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                        >       3. Re: Future generations
                        >            From: Jaix99@a...
                        >       4. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                        >            From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                        >       5. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                        >            From: "Paul Gohranson and Todd Rogers"
                        > <paul_m_gohranson@e...>
                        >       6. Re: Future generations
                        >            From: K MT <kyleovision@y...>
                        >       7. Re: Future generations
                        >            From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                        >       8. Re: Future generations
                        >            From: Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...>
                        >       9. RE: Future generations
                        >            From: "Jimmy" <jwhatle2@b...>
                        >      10. Re: India's Eunuch Culture
                        >            From: "Bill" <wjf@b...>
                        >      11. GLK Cultural "Meme"
                        >            From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        >      12. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                        >            From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        >      13. LGBT community responds to ASIA Quake Disaster
                        >            From: "Fremont BridgeMan" <wsbridgeman@y...>
                        >      14. Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                        >            From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        >      15. URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                        >            From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        >      16. Tagomago  one mo' time
                        >            From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        >      17. Re: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                        >            From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                        >
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                        > Message: 1        
                        >    Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:13:11 -0000
                        >    From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        > Subject: Future generations
                        >
                        >
                        > Jim wrote,
                        > Something else to consider, if we can get this gay kingdom
                        > going, is the second and future generations.  Whether by
                        > adoption, surrogate mothers, and artificial insemination, or what
                        > ever, there will be be a future generation and since we have no
                        > control over their genes, probably a majority of them will be
                        > heterosexual.  What  will be their place in the gay kingdom?  not
                        > second class citizenship, I hope; as the heterosexual kingdoms
                        > have imposed upon us.
                        >
                        > How do most gay people arrive?
                        > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                        > generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                        >
                        > Message: 2        
                        >    Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:40:19 -0000
                        >    From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                        > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                        >
                        >
                        > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                        > here it is
                        >
                        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                        >
                        > thank you for your interresst!
                        >
                        > Miss Massa-Martinez
                        > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Garvin" <todgar@y...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Is there a link available?
                        > >
                        > > Cheers!
                        > > Todd
                        > >
                        > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi"
                        > <sera_konosi@y...>
                        > > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                        > > >
                        > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ________________________________________________________________________
                        > ________________________________________________________________________
                        >
                        > Message: 3        
                        >    Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:41:36 EST
                        >    From: Jaix99@a...
                        > Subject: Re: Future generations
                        >
                        > I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere
                        > near what the rest of the world wil be.  It is not the dream of every
                        > Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle.  I would hope that
                        > the ones
                        > that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more
                        > than replacement offspring.  We need to remember our planet and society and
                        > not
                        > just have babies "because we can".  Animals do that.  Hopefully this will be
                        > the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                        > Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born
                        > around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly.  So our source
                        > is
                        > assured. :>
                        > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE
                        > 10,000.  And only that with
                        > waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place.  A long
                        > time I think.  It will all have to be state of the
                        > art stuff too.  Like waste disposal.  We can not hurt those coral reefs!
                        >
                        > Jaix
                        >
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                        > Message: 4        
                        >    Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:44:15 -0000
                        >    From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                        > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                        > >
                        > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                        >
                        > And here you can find us
                        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ________________________________________________________________________
                        > ________________________________________________________________________
                        >
                        > Message: 5        
                        >    Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:50:09 -0000
                        >    From: "Paul Gohranson and Todd Rogers" <paul_m_gohranson@e...>
                        > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                        >
                        >
                        > It is my understanding, from speaking to Bill, that citizenship will
                        > be granted to all citizens children and family who are supportive of
                        > gay and lesbian people.
                        >
                        > As a father of 4 myself, who had my children the old fashioned way,
                        > I am glad to have this opprotunity to bring them to a place where
                        > they would never have to worry of what people thought of their
                        > fathers sexuality!
                        >
                        > At the same time we need to be carefull of infiltrators. There will
                        > be many who will want us to not succeed!
                        >
                        > Paul..
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                        > > here it is
                        > >
                        > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                        > >
                        > > thank you for your interresst!
                        > >
                        > > Miss Massa-Martinez
                        > > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Garvin" <todgar@y...>
                        > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Is there a link available?
                        > > >
                        > > > Cheers!
                        > > > Todd
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi"
                        > > <sera_konosi@y...>
                        > > > wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ________________________________________________________________________
                        > ________________________________________________________________________
                        >
                        > Message: 6        
                        >    Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:11:46 -0800 (PST)
                        >    From: K MT <kyleovision@y...>
                        > Subject: Re: Future generations
                        >
                        > The question of what to do with the heterosexuals who crop up is, indeed, a
                        > tough one. Even at 'replacement' birth rates-- and leaving aside new
                        > immigration for the moment-- it wouldn't be very many generations before the GLK's
                        > native-born straight people would be the majority, and capable of essentially
                        > dictating their whims to Parliament.
                        >
                        > This will be a fiercely controversial notion, I'm sure, but I think we'd have
                        > to fundamentally decide at the outset whether to allow the Kingdom to
                        > ineluctably evolve in that direction, or not. If so, we need do nothing, and thence
                        > we cannot call the erosion of the Gay basis of the Kingdom a bad thing in the
                        > future.
                        >
                        > If not, we would have to look at future ideas such as disproportional Gay &
                        > Lesbian representation in Parliament to preserve the balance of power the
                        > Founders set out to attain and protect.
                        >
                        > Bringing the idea of future Gay & Lesbian immigration back into the question
                        > now, it would likely eventuallly need to be sufficiently encouraged (and
                        > perhaps governmentally subsidized) so as to, again, retain the Founders' vision of
                        > the nation.
                        >
                        > Something to consider in the argument is this: so often the Gay people are
                        > terribly attached to the idea that we must at all costs be better  than 'them.'
                        > We would never NEVER behave in a manner that would even appear to be the
                        > slightest bit unfair-- because that would make us just like 'them.'  How will they
                        > accept us, unless we demonstrate clearly how much better we are?
                        >
                        > Sovereignty changes everything. With hegemony over a portion of the globe, we
                        > would no longer have anything to prove to 'them.'  In such a scenario, we
                        > need only be as 'good' as circumstances require. Nation building hurts, and no
                        > one can be totally fair to everyone-- you just do your best.
                        >  
                        >
                        > Jaix99@a... wrote:
                        > I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere
                        > near what the rest of the world wil be.  It is not the dream of every
                        > Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle.  I would hope that the ones
                        > that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more
                        > than replacement offspring.  We need to remember our planet and society and not
                        > just have babies "because we can".  Animals do that.  Hopefully this will be
                        > the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                        > Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born
                        > around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly.  So our source is
                        > assured. :>
                        > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE
                        > 10,000.  And only that with
                        > waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place.  A long time I
                        think.  It will all have to be state of the
                        > art stuff too.  Like waste disposal.  We can not hurt those coral reefs!
                        >
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                        >    Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:30:01 -0800 (PST)
                        >    From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                        > Subject: Re: Future generations
                        >
                        >
                        > Will we accept immigration of heterosexuals that subscribe to the
                        > non-discrimination clause of the citizenship application?
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > How will we enforce the non-discrimination clause among our citizens?
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Are we, or will we be willing to deport/banish those that discriminate?
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Joe
                        >
                        > Seattle
                        >
                        >
                        > Jaix99@a... wrote:I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is
                        > going to come anywhere near what the rest of the world wil be.  It is not the
                        > dream of every Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle.  I would
                        > hope that the ones that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way
                        > and not have more than replacement offspring.  We need to remember our planet
                        > and society and not just have babies "because we can".  Animals do that. 
                        > Hopefully this will be the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                        > Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born
                        > around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly.  So our source is
                        > assured. :>
                        > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE
                        > 10,000.  And only that with
                        > waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place.  A long time I
                        think.  It will all have to be state of the
                        > art stuff too.  Like waste disposal.  We can not hurt those coral reefs!
                        >
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                        >    Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:34:28 -0800 (PST)
                        >    From: Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...>
                        > Subject: Re: Future generations
                        >
                        > My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay citizens for the future of the
                        > Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What will be the status of the straight
                        > offspring of the curre and future gay citizens?" Gay people have children through
                        > various means, probably a majority of these offspring will be heterosexuals.
                        > How will they fit into the new social order we create in the GK?
                        > JiM ><>
                        >
                        > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                        >
                        > How do most gay people arrive?
                        > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                        > generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > James A. Creasy 
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                        >    Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:18:32 -0600
                        >    From: "Jimmy" <jwhatle2@b...>
                        > Subject: RE: Future generations
                        >
                        > Here is what I think, If a Gay citizen has a child by any means that is
                        > heterosexual I would assume the these parents would be accepting and
                        > would teach acceptance to that child as he/she grows up. I would say
                        > that they would be accept by the citizens would accept them as well.
                        >
                        > Jimmy Whatley
                        >
                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: Jim Creasy [mailto:creasyja@y...]
                        > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 6:34 PM
                        > To: gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: Re: [gaykingdom] Future generations
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay citizens for the future
                        > of the Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What will be the status of the
                        > straight offspring of the curre and future gay citizens?" Gay people
                        > have children through various means, probably a majority of these
                        > offspring will be heterosexuals. How will they fit into the new social
                        > order we create in the GK?
                        > JiM ><>
                        >
                        > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > How do most gay people arrive?
                        > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                        > generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                        >    Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:33:30 -0000
                        >    From: "Bill" <wjf@b...>
                        > Subject: Re: India's Eunuch Culture
                        >
                        >
                        > Hi Jim,
                        >
                        > Since immigration was opened, I have repeatedly been asked the following
                        > question:
                        >
                        > Are transgender people welcome in the Kingdom?
                        >
                        > As a part of applying for citizenship in the Gay Kingdom, applicants are
                        > required to make
                        > the following oath or affirmation:
                        >
                        > 4. I swear or affirm that I am a member of the "Unified Gay Tribe", that I am
                        > a person who
                        > refuses to ascribe to an otherwise oppressive gender identity. Such persons
                        > may be, but
                        > are not limited to the following: homosexual, bisexual, lesbian,
                        > transgendered,
                        > hermaphroditic, heterosexual or asexual, or that I hold such a person as kin
                        > and thereby
                        > include myself as a lawful member of the Unified Gay Tribe.
                        >
                        > This means that transgender people are welcome on the island and would be
                        > amongst
                        > other GK citizens who refuse oppressive gender identification too.
                        >
                        > A careful, caring read of the affirmation also means that heterosexual people
                        > are welcome
                        > on the island and would be amongst other GK citizens who refuse oppressive
                        > gender
                        > identification too.
                        >
                        > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...> wrote:
                        > > ... there will be be a future generation and since we have no control over
                        > their genes,
                        > probably a majority of them will be heterosexual.  What  will be their place
                        > in the gay
                        > kingdom? 
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                        > Message: 11       
                        >    Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 03:09:09 -0000
                        >    From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        > Subject: GLK Cultural "Meme"
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wjf@b...> wrote:
                        >
                        > > 4. I swear or affirm that I am a member of the "Unified Gay Tribe", that I
                        > am
                        > a person who
                        > > refuses to ascribe to an otherwise oppressive gender identity. Such persons
                        > may be, but
                        > > are not limited to the following: homosexual, bisexual, lesbian,
                        > transgendered,
                        > > hermaphroditic, heterosexual or asexual, or that I hold such a person as
                        > kin
                        > and thereby
                        > > include myself as a lawful member of the Unified Gay Tribe.
                        > >
                        > > This means that transgender people are welcome on the island and would
                        > be amongst
                        > > other GK citizens who refuse oppressive gender identification too.
                        > >
                        > > A careful, caring read of the affirmation also means that heterosexual
                        > people are welcome
                        > > on the island and would be amongst other GK citizens who refuse
                        > oppressive gender identification too.
                        >
                        > We can hope that, just as cultural ideas/philosphies/"memes" helped to
                        > increase universal human rights by discouraging and outlawing prejudice
                        > based on gender or color, that eventually GLK's affirmation will be a norm. 
                        >
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                        > Message: 12       
                        >    Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 03:39:47 -0000
                        >    From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                        >
                        >
                        > I have been following with appreciation the careful, patient and correct work
                        > that HRH Dale and his advisors of the Gay Court  have done to ensure that
                        > Austraila and any other parties cannot strike back.
                        >
                        > Today the first Tagomago post came in, and I spent some time with search
                        > engines after it appeared.
                        >
                        > As of 3 pm today, a seach for the word "Tagomago" did nort lead to any sites
                        > regarding any independent country. Rather, "Tagomago" is a tourist district
                        > or
                        > hotal venue in Ibiza, Spain.
                        >
                        > http://www.ibiza-island.to/
                        >
                        > Ibiza, the alleged location of the  kingdom, is an island shaped somewhat
                        > like
                        > Ireland - but much smaller - off the Mediterranean coast of Spain.
                        >
                        > According to the Rules of War, the Kingdom of Spain would be perfectly within
                        > its rights to quell, quash and nullify any upstart pretender to its
                        > soverignty
                        > over Ibiza.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                        > > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                        > > > here it is
                        > > >
                        > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                        > > >
                        > > > thank you for your interresst!
                        > > >
                        > > > Miss Massa-Martinez
                        > > > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                        > Message: 13       
                        >    Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 05:07:53 -0000
                        >    From: "Fremont BridgeMan" <wsbridgeman@y...>
                        > Subject: LGBT community responds to ASIA Quake Disaster
                        >
                        >
                        > A site worth checking out.
                        >
                        > http://www.rainbowfund.org/
                        >
                        > Joe
                        > Seattle
                        >
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                        > Message: 14       
                        >    Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:53:22 -0000
                        >    From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        > Subject: Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                        >
                        >
                        > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                        > commercial property up for sale.
                        >
                        > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                        > in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                        > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                        >
                        >
                        > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                        > tm
                        >
                        > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                        > Message: 15       
                        >    Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:58:01 -0000
                        >    From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        > Subject: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                        >
                        >
                        > Here's the right URL - sorry!
                        > http://tinyurl.com/53tvd
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                        > > commercial property up for sale.
                        > >
                        > > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                        > > in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                        > > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                        > > tm
                        > >
                        > > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                        > Message: 16       
                        >    Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:03:51 -0000
                        >    From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        > Subject: Tagomago  one mo' time
                        >
                        >
                        > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.htm
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                        > Message: 17       
                        >    Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:41:26 -0800 (PST)
                        >    From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                        > Subject: Re: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                        >
                        > Still not the right URL.  When I click, or Cut-N-Paste all I get is the
                        > following error message;
                        >
                        > "404 Page Not FoundThe following page:
                        >
                        > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                        >
                        > was not found in our site.
                        > Unfortunately the page you requested no longer exists in our site. The
                        > webmaster has been notified of this error."
                        >
                        > So it's still looks like a bogus idea to me.
                        >
                        > Joe
                        >
                        > Seattle
                        >
                        > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Here's the right URL - sorry!
                        > http://tinyurl.com/53tvd
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                        > > commercial property up for sale.
                        > >
                        > > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                        > > in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                        > > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
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                        > > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
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                          Thanks Joe. Being from the south a "privy" is another word for the toilet, so needliess to say, I was a bit confused myself :)

                          -Dallas

                          >
                          > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@...>
                          > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon AM 11:53:17 EST
                          > To: gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: Re: [gaykingdom] Re:Future generations
                          >
                          >
                          > The statement, ?I think a more timely question would be finding gay, trusted jurists to sit on the PC?, required me to find out just what a Privy Council is. Being an American, I?ve heard of a Privy Council, but never really cared what it was. I went to www.dictionary.com and this is the results of the search for Privy Council?
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ?Priv?y Council Pronunciation Key (pr v ) n.
                          >
                          > 1. A council of the British sovereign that until the 17th century was the supreme legislative body, that now consists of cabinet ministers ex officio and others appointed for life, and that has no important function except through its Judicial Committee, which in certain cases acts as a supreme appellate court in the Commonwealth.
                          >
                          > 2. privy council An advisory council to an executive?
                          >
                          > As an older Gay man, (56), one that has traveled all over the word during my twenty-six years in the military, and someone very active in local and national politics in the U.S., I have often had the feeling that the trouble with government was laws are made by lawyers and not regular people.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > I am often reminded of Shakespeare's Tribute to Trial Lawyers, when he wrote in Henry VI, Part II, (Act IV), Scene 2, ?The First Thing We Do, Let's Kill All the Lawyers?. While Shakespeare was really paying great and deserved homage to the venerable legal profession as the front line defenders of democracy, there does tend to be snobbishness among 'SOME' lawyers that only lawyers can understand the law and thus only lawyers are capable enough to make the law. The law tends to be way to complicated for many and thus the law must be interpreted by those that wrote it ? continuing the distance between those that make the law and those that must live with the law.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > I do not understand why, someone with common since, some advanced education is not as capable as a lawyer with years of education in making law and sitting in judgment on their fellow citizens. The more complex we make the law the more distance there is between those that govern and those that are governed.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Ok? leaving the soapbox for the next in line. J
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Joe
                          >
                          > Seattle
                          >
                          >
                          > Bill <wjf@...> wrote:
                          > Hi Michael,
                          >
                          > For today, and the foreseeable future, devolution from HM Dale to HIH Prince Lachlan.
                          > Should there be a crisis in which Dale and Lachlan are unavailable for purposes of
                          > governance, the Privvy Council presently has authority to establish governance in exile. In
                          > short, this is not an imminent problem.
                          >
                          > I think a more timely question would be finding gay, trusted jurists to sit on the PC,
                          > finding the current generation of GLK citizens, and developing the Kingdom in such a
                          > manner that these other questions, in the fullness of time, find resolution. In the short
                          > term, the ICJ submission is what we think matters most today.
                          >
                          > Until we all have basic human rights, we do not live free.
                          >
                          > Cheers,
                          >
                          > -Bill Freeman
                          > gaycourt.org
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, MALEbox101@a... wrote:
                          > > Hi everyone,
                          > >
                          > > I'm just wondering how the Kingdom will be passed on after Dale's time is
                          > > gone. Any ideas?
                          > >
                          > > Michael Weiss
                          > > ========Original Message========
                          > > Subj:[gaykingdom] Digest Number 25
                          > > Date:1/1/2005 10:32:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
                          > > From:gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                          > > To:gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent on:
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                          > >
                          > > There are 17 messages in this issue.
                          > >
                          > > Topics in this digest:
                          > >
                          > > 1. Future generations
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > 2. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                          > > From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                          > > 3. Re: Future generations
                          > > From: Jaix99@a...
                          > > 4. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                          > > From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                          > > 5. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                          > > From: "Paul Gohranson and Todd Rogers"
                          > > <paul_m_gohranson@e...>
                          > > 6. Re: Future generations
                          > > From: K MT <kyleovision@y...>
                          > > 7. Re: Future generations
                          > > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                          > > 8. Re: Future generations
                          > > From: Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...>
                          > > 9. RE: Future generations
                          > > From: "Jimmy" <jwhatle2@b...>
                          > > 10. Re: India's Eunuch Culture
                          > > From: "Bill" <wjf@b...>
                          > > 11. GLK Cultural "Meme"
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > 12. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > 13. LGBT community responds to ASIA Quake Disaster
                          > > From: "Fremont BridgeMan" <wsbridgeman@y...>
                          > > 14. Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > 15. URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > 16. Tagomago one mo' time
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > 17. Re: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                          > > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                          > >
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                          > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:13:11 -0000
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > Subject: Future generations
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Jim wrote,
                          > > Something else to consider, if we can get this gay kingdom
                          > > going, is the second and future generations. Whether by
                          > > adoption, surrogate mothers, and artificial insemination, or what
                          > > ever, there will be be a future generation and since we have no
                          > > control over their genes, probably a majority of them will be
                          > > heterosexual. What will be their place in the gay kingdom? not
                          > > second class citizenship, I hope; as the heterosexual kingdoms
                          > > have imposed upon us.
                          > >
                          > > How do most gay people arrive?
                          > > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                          > > generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
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                          > > Message: 2
                          > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:40:19 -0000
                          > > From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                          > > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                          > > here it is
                          > >
                          > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                          > >
                          > > thank you for your interresst!
                          > >
                          > > Miss Massa-Martinez
                          > > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Garvin" <todgar@y...> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Is there a link available?
                          > > >
                          > > > Cheers!
                          > > > Todd
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi"
                          > > <sera_konosi@y...>
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________________________________________________
                          > > ________________________________________________________________________
                          > >
                          > > Message: 3
                          > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:41:36 EST
                          > > From: Jaix99@a...
                          > > Subject: Re: Future generations
                          > >
                          > > I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere
                          > > near what the rest of the world wil be. It is not the dream of every
                          > > Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle. I would hope that
                          > > the ones
                          > > that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more
                          > > than replacement offspring. We need to remember our planet and society and
                          > > not
                          > > just have babies "because we can". Animals do that. Hopefully this will be
                          > > the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                          > > Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born
                          > > around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly. So our source
                          > > is
                          > > assured. :>
                          > > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE
                          > > 10,000. And only that with
                          > > waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place. A long
                          > > time I think. It will all have to be state of the
                          > > art stuff too. Like waste disposal. We can not hurt those coral reefs!
                          > >
                          > > Jaix
                          > >
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                          > > Message: 4
                          > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:44:15 -0000
                          > > From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                          > > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                          > > >
                          > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                          > >
                          > > And here you can find us
                          > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________________________________________________
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                          > >
                          > > Message: 5
                          > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:50:09 -0000
                          > > From: "Paul Gohranson and Todd Rogers" <paul_m_gohranson@e...>
                          > > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > It is my understanding, from speaking to Bill, that citizenship will
                          > > be granted to all citizens children and family who are supportive of
                          > > gay and lesbian people.
                          > >
                          > > As a father of 4 myself, who had my children the old fashioned way,
                          > > I am glad to have this opprotunity to bring them to a place where
                          > > they would never have to worry of what people thought of their
                          > > fathers sexuality!
                          > >
                          > > At the same time we need to be carefull of infiltrators. There will
                          > > be many who will want us to not succeed!
                          > >
                          > > Paul..
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                          > > > here it is
                          > > >
                          > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                          > > >
                          > > > thank you for your interresst!
                          > > >
                          > > > Miss Massa-Martinez
                          > > > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Garvin" <todgar@y...>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Is there a link available?
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Cheers!
                          > > > > Todd
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi"
                          > > > <sera_konosi@y...>
                          > > > > wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________________________________________________
                          > > ________________________________________________________________________
                          > >
                          > > Message: 6
                          > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:11:46 -0800 (PST)
                          > > From: K MT <kyleovision@y...>
                          > > Subject: Re: Future generations
                          > >
                          > > The question of what to do with the heterosexuals who crop up is, indeed, a
                          > > tough one. Even at 'replacement' birth rates-- and leaving aside new
                          > > immigration for the moment-- it wouldn't be very many generations before the GLK's
                          > > native-born straight people would be the majority, and capable of essentially
                          > > dictating their whims to Parliament.
                          > >
                          > > This will be a fiercely controversial notion, I'm sure, but I think we'd have
                          > > to fundamentally decide at the outset whether to allow the Kingdom to
                          > > ineluctably evolve in that direction, or not. If so, we need do nothing, and thence
                          > > we cannot call the erosion of the Gay basis of the Kingdom a bad thing in the
                          > > future.
                          > >
                          > > If not, we would have to look at future ideas such as disproportional Gay &
                          > > Lesbian representation in Parliament to preserve the balance of power the
                          > > Founders set out to attain and protect.
                          > >
                          > > Bringing the idea of future Gay & Lesbian immigration back into the question
                          > > now, it would likely eventuallly need to be sufficiently encouraged (and
                          > > perhaps governmentally subsidized) so as to, again, retain the Founders' vision of
                          > > the nation.
                          > >
                          > > Something to consider in the argument is this: so often the Gay people are
                          > > terribly attached to the idea that we must at all costs be better than 'them.'
                          > > We would never NEVER behave in a manner that would even appear to be the
                          > > slightest bit unfair-- because that would make us just like 'them.' How will they
                          > > accept us, unless we demonstrate clearly how much better we are?
                          > >
                          > > Sovereignty changes everything. With hegemony over a portion of the globe, we
                          > > would no longer have anything to prove to 'them.' In such a scenario, we
                          > > need only be as 'good' as circumstances require. Nation building hurts, and no
                          > > one can be totally fair to everyone-- you just do your best.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Jaix99@a... wrote:
                          > > I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is going to come anywhere
                          > > near what the rest of the world wil be. It is not the dream of every
                          > > Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle. I would hope that the ones
                          > > that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way and not have more
                          > > than replacement offspring. We need to remember our planet and society and not
                          > > just have babies "because we can". Animals do that. Hopefully this will be
                          > > the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                          > > Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born
                          > > around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly. So our source is
                          > > assured. :>
                          > > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE
                          > > 10,000. And only that with
                          > > waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place. A long time I
                          > think. It will all have to be state of the
                          > > art stuff too. Like waste disposal. We can not hurt those coral reefs!
                          > >
                          > > Jaix
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                          > > Message: 7
                          > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:30:01 -0800 (PST)
                          > > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                          > > Subject: Re: Future generations
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Will we accept immigration of heterosexuals that subscribe to the
                          > > non-discrimination clause of the citizenship application?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > How will we enforce the non-discrimination clause among our citizens?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Are we, or will we be willing to deport/banish those that discriminate?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Joe
                          > >
                          > > Seattle
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Jaix99@a... wrote:I don't really think that our birthrate per capita is
                          > > going to come anywhere near what the rest of the world wil be. It is not the
                          > > dream of every Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen" lifestyle. I would
                          > > hope that the ones that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a responsible way
                          > > and not have more than replacement offspring. We need to remember our planet
                          > > and society and not just have babies "because we can". Animals do that.
                          > > Hopefully this will be the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                          > > Also we can continue to see immigration because there are Gays being born
                          > > around the world constantly, and abused/denigrated constantly. So our source is
                          > > assured. :>
                          > > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not going to hold more that MAYBE
                          > > 10,000. And only that with
                          > > waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business in place. A long time I
                          > think. It will all have to be state of the
                          > > art stuff too. Like waste disposal. We can not hurt those coral reefs!
                          > >
                          > > Jaix
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                          > > Message: 8
                          > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:34:28 -0800 (PST)
                          > > From: Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...>
                          > > Subject: Re: Future generations
                          > >
                          > > My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay citizens for the future of the
                          > > Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What will be the status of the straight
                          > > offspring of the curre and future gay citizens?" Gay people have children through
                          > > various means, probably a majority of these offspring will be heterosexuals.
                          > > How will they fit into the new social order we create in the GK?
                          > > JiM ><>
                          > >
                          > > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > How do most gay people arrive?
                          > > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                          > > generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > James A. Creasy
                          > > Where generation, class, or race
                          > > divide us to our shame,
                          > > Christ sees not labels but a face,
                          > > a person, and a name. - (Brian A. Wren)
                          > >
                          > >
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                          > > Message: 9
                          > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:18:32 -0600
                          > > From: "Jimmy" <jwhatle2@b...>
                          > > Subject: RE: Future generations
                          > >
                          > > Here is what I think, If a Gay citizen has a child by any means that is
                          > > heterosexual I would assume the these parents would be accepting and
                          > > would teach acceptance to that child as he/she grows up. I would say
                          > > that they would be accept by the citizens would accept them as well.
                          > >
                          > > Jimmy Whatley
                          > >
                          > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > From: Jim Creasy [mailto:creasyja@y...]
                          > > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 6:34 PM
                          > > To: gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Subject: Re: [gaykingdom] Future generations
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay citizens for the future
                          > > of the Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What will be the status of the
                          > > straight offspring of the curre and future gay citizens?" Gay people
                          > > have children through various means, probably a majority of these
                          > > offspring will be heterosexuals. How will they fit into the new social
                          > > order we create in the GK?
                          > > JiM ><>
                          > >
                          > > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > How do most gay people arrive?
                          > > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals... Don't worry, the future
                          > > generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
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                          > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:33:30 -0000
                          > > From: "Bill" <wjf@b...>
                          > > Subject: Re: India's Eunuch Culture
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Hi Jim,
                          > >
                          > > Since immigration was opened, I have repeatedly been asked the following
                          > > question:
                          > >
                          > > Are transgender people welcome in the Kingdom?
                          > >
                          > > As a part of applying for citizenship in the Gay Kingdom, applicants are
                          > > required to make
                          > > the following oath or affirmation:
                          > >
                          > > 4. I swear or affirm that I am a member of the "Unified Gay Tribe", that I am
                          > > a person who
                          > > refuses to ascribe to an otherwise oppressive gender identity. Such persons
                          > > may be, but
                          > > are not limited to the following: homosexual, bisexual, lesbian,
                          > > transgendered,
                          > > hermaphroditic, heterosexual or asexual, or that I hold such a person as kin
                          > > and thereby
                          > > include myself as a lawful member of the Unified Gay Tribe.
                          > >
                          > > This means that transgender people are welcome on the island and would be
                          > > amongst
                          > > other GK citizens who refuse oppressive gender identification too.
                          > >
                          > > A careful, caring read of the affirmation also means that heterosexual people
                          > > are welcome
                          > > on the island and would be amongst other GK citizens who refuse oppressive
                          > > gender
                          > > identification too.
                          > >
                          > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...> wrote:
                          > > > ... there will be be a future generation and since we have no control over
                          > > their genes,
                          > > probably a majority of them will be heterosexual. What will be their place
                          > > in the gay
                          > > kingdom?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
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                          > > Message: 11
                          > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 03:09:09 -0000
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > Subject: GLK Cultural "Meme"
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wjf@b...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > 4. I swear or affirm that I am a member of the "Unified Gay Tribe", that I
                          > > am
                          > > a person who
                          > > > refuses to ascribe to an otherwise oppressive gender identity. Such persons
                          > > may be, but
                          > > > are not limited to the following: homosexual, bisexual, lesbian,
                          > > transgendered,
                          > > > hermaphroditic, heterosexual or asexual, or that I hold such a person as
                          > > kin
                          > > and thereby
                          > > > include myself as a lawful member of the Unified Gay Tribe.
                          > > >
                          > > > This means that transgender people are welcome on the island and would
                          > > be amongst
                          > > > other GK citizens who refuse oppressive gender identification too.
                          > > >
                          > > > A careful, caring read of the affirmation also means that heterosexual
                          > > people are welcome
                          > > > on the island and would be amongst other GK citizens who refuse
                          > > oppressive gender identification too.
                          > >
                          > > We can hope that, just as cultural ideas/philosphies/"memes" helped to
                          > > increase universal human rights by discouraging and outlawing prejudice
                          > > based on gender or color, that eventually GLK's affirmation will be a norm.
                          > >
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                          > > Message: 12
                          > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 03:39:47 -0000
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > I have been following with appreciation the careful, patient and correct work
                          > > that HRH Dale and his advisors of the Gay Court have done to ensure that
                          > > Austraila and any other parties cannot strike back.
                          > >
                          > > Today the first Tagomago post came in, and I spent some time with search
                          > > engines after it appeared.
                          > >
                          > > As of 3 pm today, a seach for the word "Tagomago" did nort lead to any sites
                          > > regarding any independent country. Rather, "Tagomago" is a tourist district
                          > > or
                          > > hotal venue in Ibiza, Spain.
                          > >
                          > > http://www.ibiza-island.to/
                          > >
                          > > Ibiza, the alleged location of the kingdom, is an island shaped somewhat
                          > > like
                          > > Ireland - but much smaller - off the Mediterranean coast of Spain.
                          > >
                          > > According to the Rules of War, the Kingdom of Spain would be perfectly within
                          > > its rights to quell, quash and nullify any upstart pretender to its
                          > > soverignty
                          > > over Ibiza.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                          > > > > here it is
                          > > > >
                          > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                          > > > >
                          > > > > thank you for your interresst!
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Miss Massa-Martinez
                          > > > > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a member!!!!!!!
                          > >
                          > >
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                          > > Message: 13
                          > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 05:07:53 -0000
                          > > From: "Fremont BridgeMan" <wsbridgeman@y...>
                          > > Subject: LGBT community responds to ASIA Quake Disaster
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > A site worth checking out.
                          > >
                          > > http://www.rainbowfund.org/
                          > >
                          > > Joe
                          > > Seattle
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________________________________________________
                          > > ________________________________________________________________________
                          > >
                          > > Message: 14
                          > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:53:22 -0000
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > Subject: Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                          > > commercial property up for sale.
                          > >
                          > > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                          > > in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                          > > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                          > > tm
                          > >
                          > > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
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                          > > ________________________________________________________________________
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                          > >
                          > > Message: 15
                          > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:58:01 -0000
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > Subject: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Here's the right URL - sorry!
                          > > http://tinyurl.com/53tvd
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                          > > > commercial property up for sale.
                          > > >
                          > > > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                          > > > in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                          > > > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                          > > > tm
                          > > >
                          > > > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
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                          > >
                          > > Message: 16
                          > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:03:51 -0000
                          > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > Subject: Tagomago one mo' time
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.htm
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________________________________________________
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                          > >
                          > > Message: 17
                          > > Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:41:26 -0800 (PST)
                          > > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                          > > Subject: Re: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                          > >
                          > > Still not the right URL. When I click, or Cut-N-Paste all I get is the
                          > > following error message;
                          > >
                          > > "404 Page Not FoundThe following page:
                          > >
                          > > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                          > >
                          > > was not found in our site.
                          > > Unfortunately the page you requested no longer exists in our site. The
                          > > webmaster has been notified of this error."
                          > >
                          > > So it's still looks like a bogus idea to me.
                          > >
                          > > Joe
                          > >
                          > > Seattle
                          > >
                          > > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Here's the right URL - sorry!
                          > > http://tinyurl.com/53tvd
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago kingdom" is a
                          > > > commercial property up for sale.
                          > > >
                          > > > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum up interest
                          > > > in this resort. the property is now, and would remain after sale,
                          > > > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                          > > > tm
                          > > >
                          > > > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
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                        • Fremont BridgeMan
                          LOL... Now Dallas... I wasn t going to go there...:) Joe ... waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business ...
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                            LOL... Now Dallas... I wasn't going to go there...:)

                            Joe

                            --- dallaswv35077@... wrote:

                            > Thanks Joe. Being from the south a "privy" is
                            > another word for the toilet, so needliess to say, I
                            > was a bit confused myself :)
                            >
                            > -Dallas
                            >
                            > >
                            > > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@...>
                            > > Date: 2005/01/03 Mon AM 11:53:17 EST
                            > > To: gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Subject: Re: [gaykingdom] Re:Future generations
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > The statement, ?I think a more timely question
                            > would be finding gay, trusted jurists to sit on the
                            > PC?, required me to find out just what a Privy
                            > Council is. Being an American, I?ve heard of a
                            > Privy Council, but never really cared what it was.
                            > I went to www.dictionary.com and this is the results
                            > of the search for Privy Council?
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ?Priv?y Council Pronunciation Key (pr v ) n.
                            > >
                            > > 1. A council of the British
                            > sovereign that until the 17th century was the
                            > supreme legislative body, that now consists of
                            > cabinet ministers ex officio and others appointed
                            > for life, and that has no important function except
                            > through its Judicial Committee, which in certain
                            > cases acts as a supreme appellate court in the
                            > Commonwealth.
                            > >
                            > > 2. privy council An advisory
                            > council to an executive?
                            > >
                            > > As an older Gay man, (56), one that has traveled
                            > all over the word during my twenty-six years in the
                            > military, and someone very active in local and
                            > national politics in the U.S., I have often had the
                            > feeling that the trouble with government was laws
                            > are made by lawyers and not regular people.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > I am often reminded of Shakespeare's Tribute to
                            > Trial Lawyers, when he wrote in Henry VI, Part II,
                            > (Act IV), Scene 2, ?The First Thing We Do, Let's
                            > Kill All the Lawyers?. While Shakespeare was really
                            > paying great and deserved homage to the venerable
                            > legal profession as the front line defenders of
                            > democracy, there does tend to be snobbishness among
                            > 'SOME' lawyers that only lawyers can understand the
                            > law and thus only lawyers are capable enough to make
                            > the law. The law tends to be way to complicated for
                            > many and thus the law must be interpreted by those
                            > that wrote it ? continuing the distance between
                            > those that make the law and those that must live
                            > with the law.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > I do not understand why, someone with common
                            > since, some advanced education is not as capable as
                            > a lawyer with years of education in making law and
                            > sitting in judgment on their fellow citizens. The
                            > more complex we make the law the more distance there
                            > is between those that govern and those that are
                            > governed.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Ok? leaving the soapbox for the next in line. J
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Joe
                            > >
                            > > Seattle
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Bill <wjf@...> wrote:
                            > > Hi Michael,
                            > >
                            > > For today, and the foreseeable future, devolution
                            > from HM Dale to HIH Prince Lachlan.
                            > > Should there be a crisis in which Dale and Lachlan
                            > are unavailable for purposes of
                            > > governance, the Privvy Council presently has
                            > authority to establish governance in exile. In
                            > > short, this is not an imminent problem.
                            > >
                            > > I think a more timely question would be finding
                            > gay, trusted jurists to sit on the PC,
                            > > finding the current generation of GLK citizens,
                            > and developing the Kingdom in such a
                            > > manner that these other questions, in the fullness
                            > of time, find resolution. In the short
                            > > term, the ICJ submission is what we think matters
                            > most today.
                            > >
                            > > Until we all have basic human rights, we do not
                            > live free.
                            > >
                            > > Cheers,
                            > >
                            > > -Bill Freeman
                            > > gaycourt.org
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, MALEbox101@a...
                            > wrote:
                            > > > Hi everyone,
                            > > >
                            > > > I'm just wondering how the Kingdom will be
                            > passed on after Dale's time is
                            > > > gone. Any ideas?
                            > > >
                            > > > Michael Weiss
                            > > > ========Original Message========
                            > > > Subj:[gaykingdom] Digest Number 25
                            > > > Date:1/1/2005 10:32:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
                            > > > From:gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > To:gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Sent on:
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > There are 17 messages in this issue.
                            > > >
                            > > > Topics in this digest:
                            > > >
                            > > > 1. Future generations
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck"
                            > <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > 2. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                            > > > From: "sera_konosi"
                            > <sera_konosi@y...>
                            > > > 3. Re: Future generations
                            > > > From: Jaix99@a...
                            > > > 4. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                            > > > From: "sera_konosi"
                            > <sera_konosi@y...>
                            > > > 5. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                            > > > From: "Paul Gohranson and Todd
                            > Rogers"
                            > > > <paul_m_gohranson@e...>
                            > > > 6. Re: Future generations
                            > > > From: K MT <kyleovision@y...>
                            > > > 7. Re: Future generations
                            > > > From: Fremont BridgeMan
                            > <wsbridgeman@y...>
                            > > > 8. Re: Future generations
                            > > > From: Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...>
                            > > > 9. RE: Future generations
                            > > > From: "Jimmy" <jwhatle2@b...>
                            > > > 10. Re: India's Eunuch Culture
                            > > > From: "Bill" <wjf@b...>
                            > > > 11. GLK Cultural "Meme"
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck"
                            > <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > 12. Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck"
                            > <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > 13. LGBT community responds to ASIA Quake
                            > Disaster
                            > > > From: "Fremont BridgeMan"
                            > <wsbridgeman@y...>
                            > > > 14. Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up
                            > for SALE
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck"
                            > <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > 15. URL Correction - : Bogus spurious
                            > Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck"
                            > <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > 16. Tagomago one mo' time
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck"
                            > <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > 17. Re: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious
                            > Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                            > > > From: Fremont BridgeMan
                            > <wsbridgeman@y...>
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            > > > Message: 1
                            > > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:13:11 -0000
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > Subject: Future generations
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Jim wrote,
                            > > > Something else to consider, if we can get this
                            > gay kingdom
                            > > > going, is the second and future generations.
                            > Whether by
                            > > > adoption, surrogate mothers, and artificial
                            > insemination, or what
                            > > > ever, there will be be a future generation and
                            > since we have no
                            > > > control over their genes, probably a majority of
                            > them will be
                            > > > heterosexual. What will be their place in the
                            > gay kingdom? not
                            > > > second class citizenship, I hope; as the
                            > heterosexual kingdoms
                            > > > have imposed upon us.
                            > > >
                            > > > How do most gay people arrive?
                            > > > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals...
                            > Don't worry, the future
                            > > > generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            > > > Message: 2
                            > > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:40:19 -0000
                            > > > From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                            > > > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                            > > > here it is
                            > > >
                            > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                            > > >
                            > > > thank you for your interresst!
                            > > >
                            > > > Miss Massa-Martinez
                            > > > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Garvin"
                            > <todgar@y...> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Is there a link available?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Cheers!
                            > > > > Todd
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com,
                            > "sera_konosi"
                            > > > <sera_konosi@y...>
                            > > > > wrote:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a
                            > member!!!!!!!
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            > > > Message: 3
                            > > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:41:36 EST
                            > > > From: Jaix99@a...
                            > > > Subject: Re: Future generations
                            > > >
                            > > > I don't really think that our birthrate per
                            > capita is going to come anywhere
                            > > > near what the rest of the world wil be. It is
                            > not the dream of every
                            > > > Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen"
                            > lifestyle. I would hope that
                            > > > the ones
                            > > > that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a
                            > responsible way and not have more
                            > > > than replacement offspring. We need to remember
                            > our planet and society and
                            > > > not
                            > > > just have babies "because we can". Animals do
                            > that. Hopefully this will be
                            > > > the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                            > > > Also we can continue to see immigration because
                            > there are Gays being born
                            > > > around the world constantly, and
                            > abused/denigrated constantly. So our source
                            > > > is
                            > > > assured. :>
                            > > > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not
                            > going to hold more that MAYBE
                            > > > 10,000. And only that with
                            > > >
                            >
                            waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business
                            > in place. A long
                            > > > time I think. It will all have to be state of
                            > the
                            > > > art stuff too. Like waste disposal. We can not
                            > hurt those coral reefs!
                            > > >
                            > > > Jaix
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > [This message contained attachments]
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            > > > Message: 4
                            > > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:44:15 -0000
                            > > > From: "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                            > > > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi"
                            > <sera_konosi@y...>
                            > > > wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a
                            > member!!!!!!!
                            > > >
                            > > > And here you can find us
                            > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            > > > Message: 5
                            > > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:50:09 -0000
                            > > > From: "Paul Gohranson and Todd Rogers"
                            > <paul_m_gohranson@e...>
                            > > > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > It is my understanding, from speaking to Bill,
                            > that citizenship will
                            > > > be granted to all citizens children and family
                            > who are supportive of
                            > > > gay and lesbian people.
                            > > >
                            > > > As a father of 4 myself, who had my children the
                            > old fashioned way,
                            > > > I am glad to have this opprotunity to bring them
                            > to a place where
                            > > > they would never have to worry of what people
                            > thought of their
                            > > > fathers sexuality!
                            > > >
                            > > > At the same time we need to be carefull of
                            > infiltrators. There will
                            > > > be many who will want us to not succeed!
                            > > >
                            > > > Paul..
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "sera_konosi"
                            > <sera_konosi@y...>
                            > > > wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                            > > > > here it is
                            > > > >
                            > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                            > > > >
                            > > > > thank you for your interresst!
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Miss Massa-Martinez
                            > > > > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Todd
                            > Garvin" <todgar@y...>
                            > > > wrote:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Is there a link available?
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Cheers!
                            > > > > > Todd
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com,
                            > "sera_konosi"
                            > > > > <sera_konosi@y...>
                            > > > > > wrote:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a
                            > member!!!!!!!
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            > > > Message: 6
                            > > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:11:46 -0800 (PST)
                            > > > From: K MT <kyleovision@y...>
                            > > > Subject: Re: Future generations
                            > > >
                            > > > The question of what to do with the
                            > heterosexuals who crop up is, indeed, a
                            > > > tough one. Even at 'replacement' birth rates--
                            > and leaving aside new
                            > > > immigration for the moment-- it wouldn't be very
                            > many generations before the GLK's
                            > > > native-born straight people would be the
                            > majority, and capable of essentially
                            > > > dictating their whims to Parliament.
                            > > >
                            > > > This will be a fiercely controversial notion,
                            > I'm sure, but I think we'd have
                            > > > to fundamentally decide at the outset whether to
                            > allow the Kingdom to
                            > > > ineluctably evolve in that direction, or not. If
                            > so, we need do nothing, and thence
                            > > > we cannot call the erosion of the Gay basis of
                            > the Kingdom a bad thing in the
                            > > > future.
                            > > >
                            > > > If not, we would have to look at future ideas
                            > such as disproportional Gay &
                            > > > Lesbian representation in Parliament to preserve
                            > the balance of power the
                            > > > Founders set out to attain and protect.
                            > > >
                            > > > Bringing the idea of future Gay & Lesbian
                            > immigration back into the question
                            > > > now, it would likely eventuallly need to be
                            > sufficiently encouraged (and
                            > > > perhaps governmentally subsidized) so as to,
                            > again, retain the Founders' vision of
                            > > > the nation.
                            > > >
                            > > > Something to consider in the argument is this:
                            > so often the Gay people are
                            > > > terribly attached to the idea that we must at
                            > all costs be better than 'them.'
                            > > > We would never NEVER behave in a manner that
                            > would even appear to be the
                            > > > slightest bit unfair-- because that would make
                            > us just like 'them.' How will they
                            > > > accept us, unless we demonstrate clearly how
                            > much better we are?
                            > > >
                            > > > Sovereignty changes everything. With hegemony
                            > over a portion of the globe, we
                            > > > would no longer have anything to prove to
                            > 'them.' In such a scenario, we
                            > > > need only be as 'good' as circumstances require.
                            > Nation building hurts, and no
                            > > > one can be totally fair to everyone-- you just
                            > do your best.
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Jaix99@a... wrote:
                            > > > I don't really think that our birthrate per
                            > capita is going to come anywhere
                            > > > near what the rest of the world wil be. It is
                            > not the dream of every
                            > > > Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By the Dozen"
                            > lifestyle. I would hope that the ones
                            > > > that do CHOOSE to have children do it in a
                            > responsible way and not have more
                            > > > than replacement offspring. We need to remember
                            > our planet and society and not
                            > > > just have babies "because we can". Animals do
                            > that. Hopefully this will be
                            > > > the Kingdom of the "Enlightened".
                            > > > Also we can continue to see immigration because
                            > there are Gays being born
                            > > > around the world constantly, and
                            > abused/denigrated constantly. So our source is
                            > > > assured. :>
                            > > > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not
                            > going to hold more that MAYBE
                            > > > 10,000. And only that with
                            > > >
                            >
                            waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business
                            > in place. A long time I
                            > > think. It will all have to be state of the
                            > > > art stuff too. Like waste disposal. We can not
                            > hurt those coral reefs!
                            > > >
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                            > > > Message: 7
                            > > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:30:01 -0800 (PST)
                            > > > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                            > > > Subject: Re: Future generations
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Will we accept immigration of heterosexuals that
                            > subscribe to the
                            > > > non-discrimination clause of the citizenship
                            > application?
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > How will we enforce the non-discrimination
                            > clause among our citizens?
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Are we, or will we be willing to deport/banish
                            > those that discriminate?
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Joe
                            > > >
                            > > > Seattle
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Jaix99@a... wrote:I don't really think that our
                            > birthrate per capita is
                            > > > going to come anywhere near what the rest of the
                            > world wil be. It is not the
                            > > > dream of every Gay/Lesbian to have a "Cheaper By
                            > the Dozen" lifestyle. I would
                            > > > hope that the ones that do CHOOSE to have
                            > children do it in a responsible way
                            > > > and not have more than replacement offspring.
                            > We need to remember our planet
                            > > > and society and not just have babies "because we
                            > can". Animals do that.
                            > > > Hopefully this will be the Kingdom of the
                            > "Enlightened".
                            > > > Also we can continue to see immigration because
                            > there are Gays being born
                            > > > around the world constantly, and
                            > abused/denigrated constantly. So our source is
                            > > > assured. :>
                            > > > Our kingdom of more or less than 6 miles is not
                            > going to hold more that MAYBE
                            > > > 10,000. And only that with
                            > > >
                            >
                            waste/water/electric/communications/port/trade/business
                            > in place. A long time I
                            > > think. It will all have to be state of the
                            > > > art stuff too. Like waste disposal. We can not
                            > hurt those coral reefs!
                            > > >
                            > > > Jaix
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                            > > > Message: 8
                            > > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:34:28 -0800 (PST)
                            > > > From: Jim Creasy <creasyja@y...>
                            > > > Subject: Re: Future generations
                            > > >
                            > > > My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay
                            > citizens for the future of the
                            > > > Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What will be
                            > the status of the straight
                            > > > offspring of the curre and future gay citizens?"
                            > Gay people have children through
                            > > > various means, probably a majority of these
                            > offspring will be heterosexuals.
                            > > > How will they fit into the new social order we
                            > create in the GK?
                            > > > JiM ><>
                            > > >
                            > > > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > How do most gay people arrive?
                            > > > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals...
                            > Don't worry, the future
                            > > > generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > James A. Creasy
                            > > > Where generation, class, or race
                            > > > divide us to our shame,
                            > > > Christ sees not labels but a face,
                            > > > a person, and a name. - (Brian A. Wren)
                            > > >
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                            > > > Message: 9
                            > > > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:18:32 -0600
                            > > > From: "Jimmy" <jwhatle2@b...>
                            > > > Subject: RE: Future generations
                            > > >
                            > > > Here is what I think, If a Gay citizen has a
                            > child by any means that is
                            > > > heterosexual I would assume the these parents
                            > would be accepting and
                            > > > would teach acceptance to that child as he/she
                            > grows up. I would say
                            > > > that they would be accept by the citizens would
                            > accept them as well.
                            > > >
                            > > > Jimmy Whatley
                            > > >
                            > > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > > From: Jim Creasy [mailto:creasyja@y...]
                            > > > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 6:34 PM
                            > > > To: gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Subject: Re: [gaykingdom] Future generations
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > My question wasn't, "How will we find more gay
                            > citizens for the future
                            > > > of the Kingdom." Rather, I was asking, "What
                            > will be the status of the
                            > > > straight offspring of the curre and future gay
                            > citizens?" Gay people
                            > > > have children through various means, probably a
                            > majority of these
                            > > > offspring will be heterosexuals. How will they
                            > fit into the new social
                            > > > order we create in the GK?
                            > > > JiM ><>
                            > > >
                            > > > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > How do most gay people arrive?
                            > > > :) The stork brings them to heterosexuals...
                            > Don't worry, the future
                            > > > generation wiull find its way to GLK :)
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
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                            > > >
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                            > > > Message: 10
                            > > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:33:30 -0000
                            > > > From: "Bill" <wjf@b...>
                            > > > Subject: Re: India's Eunuch Culture
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Hi Jim,
                            > > >
                            > > > Since immigration was opened, I have repeatedly
                            > been asked the following
                            > > > question:
                            > > >
                            > > > Are transgender people welcome in the Kingdom?
                            > > >
                            > > > As a part of applying for citizenship in the Gay
                            > Kingdom, applicants are
                            > > > required to make
                            > > > the following oath or affirmation:
                            > > >
                            > > > 4. I swear or affirm that I am a member of the
                            > "Unified Gay Tribe", that I am
                            > > > a person who
                            > > > refuses to ascribe to an otherwise oppressive
                            > gender identity. Such persons
                            > > > may be, but
                            > > > are not limited to the following: homosexual,
                            > bisexual, lesbian,
                            > > > transgendered,
                            > > > hermaphroditic, heterosexual or asexual, or that
                            > I hold such a person as kin
                            > > > and thereby
                            > > > include myself as a lawful member of the Unified
                            > Gay Tribe.
                            > > >
                            > > > This means that transgender people are welcome
                            > on the island and would be
                            > > > amongst
                            > > > other GK citizens who refuse oppressive gender
                            > identification too.
                            > > >
                            > > > A careful, caring read of the affirmation also
                            > means that heterosexual people
                            > > > are welcome
                            > > > on the island and would be amongst other GK
                            > citizens who refuse oppressive
                            > > > gender
                            > > > identification too.
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, Jim Creasy
                            > <creasyja@y...> wrote:
                            > > > > ... there will be be a future generation and
                            > since we have no control over
                            > > > their genes,
                            > > > probably a majority of them will be
                            > heterosexual. What will be their place
                            > > > in the gay
                            > > > kingdom?
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > > Message: 11
                            > > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 03:09:09 -0000
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > Subject: GLK Cultural "Meme"
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "Bill"
                            > <wjf@b...> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > > 4. I swear or affirm that I am a member of the
                            > "Unified Gay Tribe", that I
                            > > > am
                            > > > a person who
                            > > > > refuses to ascribe to an otherwise oppressive
                            > gender identity. Such persons
                            > > > may be, but
                            > > > > are not limited to the following: homosexual,
                            > bisexual, lesbian,
                            > > > transgendered,
                            > > > > hermaphroditic, heterosexual or asexual, or
                            > that I hold such a person as
                            > > > kin
                            > > > and thereby
                            > > > > include myself as a lawful member of the
                            > Unified Gay Tribe.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > This means that transgender people are welcome
                            > on the island and would
                            > > > be amongst
                            > > > > other GK citizens who refuse oppressive gender
                            > identification too.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > A careful, caring read of the affirmation also
                            > means that heterosexual
                            > > > people are welcome
                            > > > > on the island and would be amongst other GK
                            > citizens who refuse
                            > > > oppressive gender identification too.
                            > > >
                            > > > We can hope that, just as cultural
                            > ideas/philosphies/"memes" helped to
                            > > > increase universal human rights by discouraging
                            > and outlawing prejudice
                            > > > based on gender or color, that eventually GLK's
                            > affirmation will be a norm.
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            > > > Message: 12
                            > > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 03:39:47 -0000
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > Subject: Re: Kingdom Tagomago
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > I have been following with appreciation the
                            > careful, patient and correct work
                            > > > that HRH Dale and his advisors of the Gay Court
                            > have done to ensure that
                            > > > Austraila and any other parties cannot strike
                            > back.
                            > > >
                            > > > Today the first Tagomago post came in, and I
                            > spent some time with search
                            > > > engines after it appeared.
                            > > >
                            > > > As of 3 pm today, a seach for the word
                            > "Tagomago" did nort lead to any sites
                            > > > regarding any independent country. Rather,
                            > "Tagomago" is a tourist district
                            > > > or
                            > > > hotal venue in Ibiza, Spain.
                            > > >
                            > > > http://www.ibiza-island.to/
                            > > >
                            > > > Ibiza, the alleged location of the kingdom, is
                            > an island shaped somewhat
                            > > > like
                            > > > Ireland - but much smaller - off the
                            > Mediterranean coast of Spain.
                            > > >
                            > > > According to the Rules of War, the Kingdom of
                            > Spain would be perfectly within
                            > > > its rights to quell, quash and nullify any
                            > upstart pretender to its
                            > > > soverignty
                            > > > over Ibiza.
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com,
                            > "sera_konosi" <sera_konosi@y...>
                            > > > > wrote:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Ofcourse there is a link available!
                            > > > > > here it is
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tagomago/
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > thank you for your interresst!
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Miss Massa-Martinez
                            > > > > > prime minister of Kingdom Tagomago
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > The gay Kingdom of europe!!!!!
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Go to the tagomago group an become a
                            > member!!!!!!!
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
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                            > > >
                            > > > Message: 13
                            > > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 05:07:53 -0000
                            > > > From: "Fremont BridgeMan" <wsbridgeman@y...>
                            > > > Subject: LGBT community responds to ASIA Quake
                            > Disaster
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > A site worth checking out.
                            > > >
                            > > > http://www.rainbowfund.org/
                            > > >
                            > > > Joe
                            > > > Seattle
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > > Message: 14
                            > > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:53:22 -0000
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > Subject: Bogus spurious Tagomago Island is up
                            > for SALE
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago
                            > kingdom" is a
                            > > > commercial property up for sale.
                            > > >
                            > > > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to drum
                            > up interest
                            > > > in this resort. the property is now, and would
                            > remain after sale,
                            > > > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
                            http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                            > > > tm
                            > > >
                            > > > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            > > > Message: 15
                            > > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:58:01 -0000
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > Subject: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious
                            > Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Here's the right URL - sorry!
                            > > > http://tinyurl.com/53tvd
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "yank_canuck"
                            > <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago
                            > kingdom" is a
                            > > > > commercial property up for sale.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to
                            > drum up interest
                            > > > > in this resort. the property is now, and would
                            > remain after sale,
                            > > > > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            >
                            http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                            > > > > tm
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
                            > > > Message: 16
                            > > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:03:51 -0000
                            > > > From: "yank_canuck" <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > Subject: Tagomago one mo' time
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
                            http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.htm
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
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                            > > >
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                            > > >
                            > > > Message: 17
                            > > > Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:41:26 -0800 (PST)
                            > > > From: Fremont BridgeMan <wsbridgeman@y...>
                            > > > Subject: Re: URL Correction - : Bogus spurious
                            > Tagomago Island is up for SALE
                            > > >
                            > > > Still not the right URL. When I click, or
                            > Cut-N-Paste all I get is the
                            > > > following error message;
                            > > >
                            > > > "404 Page Not FoundThe following page:
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            >
                            http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                            > > >
                            > > > was not found in our site.
                            > > > Unfortunately the page you requested no longer
                            > exists in our site. The
                            > > > webmaster has been notified of this error."
                            > > >
                            > > > So it's still looks like a bogus idea to me.
                            > > >
                            > > > Joe
                            > > >
                            > > > Seattle
                            > > >
                            > > > yank_canuck <yank_canuck@y...> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Here's the right URL - sorry!
                            > > > http://tinyurl.com/53tvd
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "yank_canuck"
                            > <yank_canuck@y...>
                            > > > wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Ohhh dear... seems the would-be "Tagomago
                            > kingdom" is a
                            > > > > commercial property up for sale.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > So the "kingdom" announcement was a ploy to
                            > drum up interest
                            > > > > in this resort. the property is now, and would
                            > remain after sale,
                            > > > > under the rule of the country of Spain.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
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                            http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2004/island_for_180804_i.h
                            > > > > tm
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Tip of the hat to Feral - Thanks!
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                          • dallaswv35077@bellsouth.net
                            Sorry, couldn t help myself. :) -Dallas
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                              Sorry, couldn't help myself. :)

                              -Dallas

                              >
                              > LOL... Now Dallas... I wasn't going to go there...:)
                              >
                              > Joe
                              >
                              > --- dallaswv35077@... wrote:
                              >
                              > > Thanks Joe. Being from the south a "privy" is
                              > > another word for the toilet, so needliess to say, I
                              > > was a bit confused myself :)
                              > >
                              > > -Dallas
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