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  • wyn_chrs
    ATTORNEY-GENERAL THE HON PHIUP RUDDOCK MP 05/8592, MCO5/41 52 Mr name and address removed by sender due to privacy concerns 15 JUN 2005 Dear name and
    Message 1 of 10 , Jul 9, 2005
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      ATTORNEY-GENERAL
      THE HON PHIUP RUDDOCK MP
      05/8592, MCO5/41 52
      Mr "name and address removed by sender due to privacy concerns"
      15 JUN 2005
      Dear "name and address removed by sender due to privacy concerns"

      Thank you for your email of 5 April 2005 to the Prime Minister
      regarding the Gay Kingdom. As same sex matters fall within my
      portfolio responsibilities, the Prime Minister has asked me to reply
      on his behalf.
      The Australian Government condemns discrimination in all its forms,
      including discrimination on the basis of sexuality. The Government
      believes each of us should have the opportunity to participate in
      the life of our community and to experience the benefits and accept
      the responsibilities that flow from such participation without fear
      of discrimination. The Government is committed to maintaining the
      Australian traditions of tolerance and respect for diversity, which
      are the foundations of one of the world's most successful
      multicultural societies.
      The Australian Government rejects any claim by the Gay Kingdom to a
      sovereign interest in the territory of the Coral Sea Islands. The
      Australian Government exercises legal control of the Coral Sea
      Islands pursuant to the Coral Sea Islands Act 1969, and continues to
      exercise `effective control' through patrols of the territory
      and
      the establishment of reserves and
      stations.
      I note that you have concerns about soliciting funds from people in
      the United States. If you believe an offence has been committed you
      should report the matter to your local law enforcement authority or
      the Federal Bureau of Investigations.
      I trust this information is of assistance.


      Philip Ruddock
      Parliament House, Canberra ACT 2600 • Telephone (02) 6277 7300
      • Fax
      (02) 6273 4102
      wwwjaw.gov.au/ag
    • Dale Parker Anderson
      LETTER IS NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT IS WRITTEN ON! I know of this letter and it is not worth the paper it is written on. Mr Jaix Brooks a former member of the GLK
      Message 2 of 10 , Jul 9, 2005
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        LETTER IS NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT IS WRITTEN ON!

        I know of this letter and it is not worth the paper it is written
        on. Mr Jaix Brooks a former member of the GLK Government is behind
        the letter. Some months back we gave Mr Brooks the option of
        resigning his government post or being sacked, to save face he
        resigned. The reason for this decision was because Mr Brooks was not
        a team player, he continued to promote his own agenda resulting in
        conflict, infighting and his presence had a destabilising effect on
        the Kingdom and its government. Since his removal from public office
        the government of the GLK has made most excellent progress.

        The Attorney Generals letter posted is incorrect, Australia does
        discriminate
        against gay and lesbian people and all same sex couples and I have
        set out bellow the areas of discrimination.

        The letter also states Australia rejects the Gay Kingdoms
        sovereignty over the Coral Sea Island Territory, and I wish to make
        it very clear that the Gay Kingdom rejects Australian sovereignty
        over the Coral Sea Island Territory, this is not a matter for
        Australia to decide, but a matter for the International Court of
        Justice to decide, under the United Nations charter of which
        Australia is a founding member, it clearly states that oppressed
        people of all overseas territories have a right to self-
        determination and self-government. Under International Law, gay and
        Lesbian people of Australia are oppressed and discriminated against
        and under the United Nations Charter the Coral Sea Islands are
        listed as an external overseas territory of Australia. We therefore
        have the legal right to self determination and self government.


        General Comment No. 12: The right to self-determination of peoples
        (Art. 1) : . 13/03/84.
        CCPR General Comment No. 12. (General Comments)

        Convention Abbreviation: CCPR
        GENERAL COMMENT 12

        The right to self-determination of peoples

        (Article 1)

        (Twenty-first session, 1984)

        1. In accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of
        the United Nations, article 1 of the International Covenant on Civil
        and Political Rights recognizes that all peoples of overseas
        territories have the right of self-determination. The right of self-
        determination is of particular importance because its realization is
        an essential condition for the effective guarantee and observance of
        individual human rights and for the promotion and strengthening of
        those rights. It is for that reason that States set forth the right
        of self-determination in a provision of positive law in both
        Covenants and placed this provision as article 1 apart from and
        before all of the other rights in the two Covenants.

        This is the reason the Coral Sea Island Territory was chosen because
        it fits the United Nations charter for self government and self
        determination as the Coral Sea Islands are an external overseas
        territory of Australia.

        My view as Sovereign is to ignore such letters and to ignore those
        people like Mr Jaix Brooks who have nothing better to do with there
        time than to cause trouble.

        Rome was not built in a day nor will the GLK be built in a day,
        Israel declared its independence more than 50 years ago yet even
        today there are Arab states that refuse to recognise the Jewish
        State or its sovereignty we must not let negative sick people get to
        us and must focus on the positive.

        I hope the follow information will prove how incorrect the ATTORNEY-
        GENERAL THE HON PHIUP RUDDOCK MP's letter is

        Issues relative to The Gay Kingdoms of the Coral Sea Islands
        Secession and the letter of ATTORNEY-GENERAL THE HON PHIUP RUDDOCK MP


        NOTE & COMMENT: THE GAY KINGDOMS SECESSION ISSUE and recent history
        the last 10 years of the Australian Governments discrimination
        against the Gay Tribe.


        In the past 10 years no comprehensive reforms have been advanced by
        the Australian Government and same sex couples continue to be denied
        rights afforded to heterosexual couples in areas such as medicare,
        taxation, immigration, defence forces and superannuation. Gay
        families aren't recognised under Australian Law and gay and lesbian
        people do not have adequate government protection from
        discrimination. Recently the government used gay rights as a
        political wedge by introducing amendments to the Marriage Act, over
        the past 10 years the Australian government has repeatedly attacked
        the gay community and has confirmed there status as the most
        homophobic government in Australian history. They have cut
        immigration for same sex partners, tried to ban IVF treatment to
        lesbians, falsely accused the openly gay Chief Justice Michael Kirby
        of being a paedophile and stood silently by when this proved false,
        attacked gay families on TV, threatened to overturn the State same
        sex couple adoption laws, and declared marriage as being about the
        survival of the species. The Australian government is tearing gay
        people and families apart, the new marriage bill now prohibits gay
        marriage and has been passed in both houses of parliament. The
        implications are far reaching, gay people are now denied hospital
        visits (when only family or spouse are allowed), housing rights, tax
        benefits, superannuation, invalidation of overseas marriages, and so
        on.

        1994: Australian Gay activists take Australia to the United Nations
        and win there case that forces the Australian government to
        introduce the Commonwealth Human Rights (Sexual Conduct) Bill that
        gives gay people in states like Tasmania the right to have sex in
        their own home.

        1996: The Australian Government slashes the number
        of "Interdependency visas", making migration for same sex couples
        far more difficult.

        1997: In response to the discrimination claim of a lesbian, the
        government threatens to remove Medicare rebates for lesbians who
        access fertility services. In response to the case the Australian
        attorney general first threatens to amend the sex discrimination act
        of 1984 to exclude lesbians from fertility services and from
        adoption.

        1998: The Australian Government rejects a bill to extend
        superannuation to same sex couples.

        1999: The Australian Government again rejects the same sex
        superannuation bill.

        2000: The Australian Senate Select Committee examines the rejected
        superannuation bill and releases its report. The committee receives
        more than 1200 submissions in favour of the bill and five
        submissions opposing it. The Australian Government write a minority
        report and again oppose the Bill. In response to a court ruling that
        it is unlawful to exclude lesbians from fertility services, the
        Australian Government tries to amend the Sex Discrimination Act to
        exclude lesbians from anti-discrimination protection in this area.

        2001: Widows of prisoners of war detained by the Japanese during
        WWII are awarded $12,000 but the Australian Government claims that
        the 25 gay partners of the POWs will not be eligible because the
        government does not recognise same sex relationships. Again a bill
        is introduced into parliament to extend superannuation benefits to
        same sex partners and again the government rejects it. Asked on
        national Radio JJJ the Prime Minister of Australia stated he didn't
        think homosexuals should have the same status as heterosexuals.

        2002: The Australian government applies to have a court decision
        granting legal marriage status to a transsexual man and his wife
        reversed. The Prime Minister and other senior members of his
        government accuse openly gay High Court Judge Justice Michael Kirby
        of paedophilia and force the judge to stand down. The
        governments "evidence" is discredited by the Senate and whilst the
        High Court Judge is reinstated the government refuses to apologise
        to Justice Kirby or defend him. Later in the week the Prime Minister
        remarks he is not tolerant of gay people. With the approval and
        support of the Catholic Bishops the government again tries to
        exclude lesbians from fertility services by amending the sex
        discrimination Act. The government states publicly that it is
        opposed to same sex marriage and same sex parents. The Government
        refuses the referral of powers from all states which would allow the
        Family Court to hear property disputes of same sex couples.

        2003: The Prime Minister tells a radio station he opposes changing
        the law to grant equal status to same sex couples but says its `not
        an expression of discrimination". The United Nations Human Rights
        Commission declares Australia's federal government in violation of
        equality and privacy rights under the International Covenant of
        Civil and Political Rights after denying a man a de facto spouse
        veterans pension based on his 38 year same sex relationship. The
        request from the UN that Australia take steps to treat same sex
        couples equally is ignored and when directly questioned the
        government says it is not bound by the ruling.

        2004: The Australian Government condemns state adoption laws that
        allow same sex couples to adopt and considers using little used
        commonwealth laws to override the state laws. The Prime Minister
        goes on record to say he is against gay adoption like he is against
        gay marriage. The Australian Government condemns the government
        television station ABC for running "a gay political agenda" when it
        featured a lesbian couple on Play School. The Deputy Prime Minister
        says publicly that gays should accept that their choice of lifestyle
        means other life options are closed to them. The Australian
        government opposers a private members bill that include sweeping
        reforms for gay and lesbian rights. The government introduces its
        own bill, the same sex marriage ban into parliament for the third
        time preventing gay and lesbian people from marrying and adopting
        and also preventing same sex couples who are legally married
        overseas from accessing the nations courts. The government passed
        this bill into law.

        June 2004, Gay & Lesbian people leave Australia and declare
        Australia's uninhabited Coral Sea Islands territory an independent
        Sovereign Gay State and appeal to the UN and the International Court
        of Justice for support on the grounds that under International Law
        and the United Nations Charter of which Australia is a signatory the
        gay tribe are "An oppressed people who are ruled by an overseas
        colonial government and shall under the laws of the united nations,
        have the right to self determination". The government of the GK also
        calls into question Australia's claim over the Coral Sea Islands on
        the grounds no flag raising ceremony or formal proclamation of the
        territory was ever made.




        SUMMARY:
        On June 13th 2004, a referendum that asked the people of the Gay
        Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands if they wished to secede the
        territory from Australia and become an independent nation. This was
        affirmed by an overwhelming majority

        I. Introduction

        While many likely see the Gay Kingdoms 2004 Sovereignty Referendum
        as the flashpoint event that has led to the current tension between
        it and Australia, "The Gay Kingdom's concern for equality and its
        distinct culture and independence actually began 10 years ago with
        the election of the Christian conservative Australian Government and
        also more recently with the creation of the Anti Gay, Marriage &
        Adoption Act" introduced and approved by the Australian Parliament.
        Indeed, the foundation for the conflict may be seen as having been
        laid by previous Legislation, when Australia discriminated against
        its homosexual people in the areas of Marriage, Taxation,
        Immigration, Legal Recognition and other areas of the Law.


        The Gay Kingdoms separatist movement began to take shape in 2000
        with the refusal of the Australian Government to treat its gay
        citizens as equal under the law. The resolve for sovereignty was
        strengthened in 2004 with the tactics of the Gay Activists settling
        in Australia's uninhabited Coral Sea Islands territory.

        Almost simultaneously, the federal government introduced legislation
        that further discriminated against gay people in the areas of
        taxation and adoption.

        The Gay people in the Coral Sea Islands took immediate action. They
        formed a Gay legislative assembly and its first piece of
        legislation, Act 1, "called for a referendum that asked voters to
        take to the polls to vote on whether they wished to secede from
        Australia. They were confronted with a question that read: "Do you
        agree that the Coral Sea Islands should become a gay sovereign
        state. YES or NO?"

        The final Referendum results were 0 votes for "no,' and 100% votes
        for "yes' -

        The result of the 2004 Referendum proved to be enough for the Gay
        Prime Minister ... David Smith, to present the issue of secession to
        Australia's Governor General and to the Australian Parliament. To
        this end, the Gay Kingdoms legislative assembly submitted three
        questions for legal advise, which were answered in a 2004 Reference
        Opinion:



        Question One: Under the Constitution of Australia, can the Gay
        Assembly, legislature or government of the Gay Kingdom effect the
        secession of the Coral Sea Islands from Australia unilaterally?



        Question Two: Does international law give the Gay Assembly,
        legislature or government of the Coral Sea Islands the right to
        effect the secession of the Gay Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands
        from Australia unilaterally?



        Question Three: In the event of a conflict between domestic and
        international law on the [issue of ... the Gay Kingdom of the Coral
        Sea Islands unilateral secession], which would take precedence in
        Australia?

        With respect to Question One, the legal advise given unequivocally
        stated that the Gay Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands may
        unilaterally secede from Australia and be considered lawful in doing
        so. The Legal advise further concluded that an overseas territory
        can secede from Australia and no constitution requirements would
        need to be amendment or be negotiated. Implicitly conceding that the
        Australian Constitution allowed other former overseas Australian
        territories of Papua New Guinea, the Republic of Nauru and the Cocas
        Keeling Islands the right to self determination with Papua New
        Guinea and Nauru becoming independent sovereign states.

        With these principles in mind, the legal advice explained how
        secession would need to play out in order to comport with the
        Australian Constitution. First, a referendum that poses a clear
        question to the citizens of the Coral Sea Islands regarding
        secession must be administered; the democracy principle is clearly
        at work, inasmuch as its results would necessarily reflect the will
        of Gay Tribe to secede.

        With regard to Question Two, the Legal advice obtained by the Gay
        Kingdom similarly held that international law does confer a right to
        unilaterally secede on either the citizens of the Coral Sea Islands
        or its representative institutions. The Legal advice noted that
        international law, like Australian law, neither permits nor
        prohibits unilateral secession, and was unpersuaded by the two
        arguments that what "is not explicitly prohibited is implicitly
        permitted" and that foreign states have a duty to recognize
        secessions brought about by the well-established "international law
        right of [a "people' to] self-determination."

        Focusing on the fact that "international law places great importance
        on the territorial integrity of nation states," the legal advice
        stated that international law thus permit's unilateral secession on
        elements the Gay Coral Sea Islanders were an oppressed people and
        the Gay Kingdom a colonized Overseas Territory.
        The Legal advice also noted that the Homosexual people of the Coral
        Sea Islands have endured threats to their existence and human
        rights. After listing numerous, areas of inequality and
        discrimination faced by Homosexual people in all areas of
        legislation, law and life - as well as the various social,
        political, cultural, and economic rights that they do not enjoy -
        the Legal advice found that the Coral Sea Islands did meet this
        criterion.

        The Legal advice also found that oppression to be the main argument
        that international law implicitly permits unilateral secession and
        acknowledged that various United Nations documents declare the
        importance of self-determination in furthering its goals of global
        peace and stability. As before, the Legal advice noted that a people
        are ordinarily not given the right to exercise self-determination
        absent colonial domination, oppression, or in instances where an
        oppressor effectively barred other means of achieving independence.
        Under these circumstances, and aided by the facts listed above, the
        Legal advice similarly concluded that the Gay people of the Coral
        Sea Islands had every right to secession and Self Determination and
        to declare the Coral Sea Islands an Independent sovereign Gay
        Kingdom under international law. Therefore, the legal advice found
        it unnecessary to answer Question Three.

        The Responses


        The Gay Government of the Coral Sea Islands claimed victory
        following the decision on the grounds that the Gay Kingdom has a
        right to self determine as the law applies to them as they are an
        oppressed and colonized peoples who have been denied fundamental
        human rights.

        Legal opinion however explained that foreign states are often
        reluctant to recognize a recently seceded land out of fear of
        retaliation by the State from which the new State seceded, believing
        that recognition could only serve to unbalance world order and
        foster violence. This is unfortunate, for it is this aloof, hands-
        off approach, and not recognition, that serves to promote
        instability and conflict. Under these circumstances, peaceful
        secession movements require active international participation. The
        Gay Kingdom was advised to contact the International Court of
        Justice who is well-suited to handle cases of secession disputes,
        given its experience in dealing with issues of self-determination.

        Thus, the Gay Kingdom is effectively posed with a cruel dilemma.
        While international law currently allows its secession,
        international recognition is necessary to legitimise the Gay
        Kingdoms independence. But, before international recognition can be
        attained, Australia must provide for, or allow secession or be
        forced by the International Court of Justice to recognize the
        Kingdoms Independence.

        The Government of the Gay Kingdom is thus preparing a case that will
        bring Australia before the International Court of Justice


        Kind regards

        Dale

        --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "wyn_chrs" <dclar36@c...> wrote:
        > ATTORNEY-GENERAL
        > THE HON PHIUP RUDDOCK MP
        > 05/8592, MCO5/41 52
        > Mr "name and address removed by sender due to privacy concerns"
        > 15 JUN 2005
        > Dear "name and address removed by sender due to privacy concerns"
        >
        > Thank you for your email of 5 April 2005 to the Prime Minister
        > regarding the Gay Kingdom. As same sex matters fall within my
        > portfolio responsibilities, the Prime Minister has asked me to
        reply
        > on his behalf.
        > The Australian Government condemns discrimination in all its
        forms,
        > including discrimination on the basis of sexuality. The Government
        > believes each of us should have the opportunity to participate in
        > the life of our community and to experience the benefits and
        accept
        > the responsibilities that flow from such participation without
        fear
        > of discrimination. The Government is committed to maintaining the
        > Australian traditions of tolerance and respect for diversity,
        which
        > are the foundations of one of the world's most successful
        > multicultural societies.
        > The Australian Government rejects any claim by the Gay Kingdom to
        a
        > sovereign interest in the territory of the Coral Sea Islands. The
        > Australian Government exercises legal control of the Coral Sea
        > Islands pursuant to the Coral Sea Islands Act 1969, and continues
        to
        > exercise `effective control' through patrols of the territory
        > and
        > the establishment of reserves and
        > stations.
        > I note that you have concerns about soliciting funds from people
        in
        > the United States. If you believe an offence has been committed
        you
        > should report the matter to your local law enforcement authority
        or
        > the Federal Bureau of Investigations.
        > I trust this information is of assistance.
        >
        >
        > Philip Ruddock
        > Parliament House, Canberra ACT 2600 • Telephone (02) 6277 7300
        > • Fax
        > (02) 6273 4102
        > wwwjaw.gov.au/ag
      • topekadiy@cox.net
        Hello, I am trying to reach out to the global GLBT community about an important issue. In a nutshell, here is what is going on: A 16 year old kid in Memphis
        Message 3 of 10 , Jul 10, 2005
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          Hello, I am trying to reach out to the global GLBT community about an
          important issue.

          In a nutshell, here is what is going on:
          A 16 year old kid in Memphis Tennessee finally worked up the courage to
          come out to
          his parents. His parents, being christian fundamentalists immediatly
          freacked out, and forced
          him into a program called "Love In Action" who opperate a "camp" called
          "Refuge".

          The boy posted the rules of this camp on his blog at myspace.com. The
          rules give an
          extremly disturbing insight into what this camp really is, and how it
          opperates. In short:
          It is a cult-styled brain-washing program that uses "Shaming sessions",
          guilt, fear
          and hellfire and brimstone to "scare them straight".

          You can read more about it using the links below.

          Here is ONE of the things we are doing to protest these programs, and to
          show our
          support of this boy, and the many more in his predicament.

          It is a "Postcard Campaing".
          Please take a few moments to write a postcard to:
          Zach
          C/O Refuge
          P.O. Box 171444
          Memphis, TN 38187
          U.S.A.

          Postcards from your location are best, they show how widely spread the
          awareness
          and support has become.
          Please keep messages positive, without vulgar or overtly sexual
          connotations.
          And PLEASE pass this along to others, our goal is to get 20,000 postcards
          mailed to this kid in this "treatment center"

          Below are the links
          Cheers!
          bob cutler
          topekadiy@...

          http://groups.myspace.com/freezach

          http://www.qaconline.org

          http://www.lookmarks.com/Default.aspx?q=freezach
        • Thomas Fiola
          I am distressed to hear this, my best recommendation is to get him out there, I live in Scottsdale, east of Phoenix. In the Phoenix area we have some fairly
          Message 4 of 10 , Jul 10, 2005
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            I am distressed to hear this, my best recommendation is to get him out there, I live in Scottsdale, east of Phoenix. In the Phoenix area we have some fairly good programs kinda earmarked for teens coming out and I also am a member of a fantastic Evangelical Christian church (Casa de Cristo, 602-265-2831,1029 E Turney Ave, Phoenix, AZ) that also works with groups that are in there teens (1N10, meets in the sanctuary regularly). It is a lively spirit-filled church in the center of the GLBT area of Phoenix and all are welcome. Also I would recommend reading a web site that a wonderful lady friend has put together, that helps explain and justify our position in life and before the LORD and it all goes back to John 3:16 again, Christ died ONCE for us, we just have to receive it and BELIEVE it. ChristianGay.com
             
            Best of luck, and if you can, keep me informed.
             
            Later
             
            Tom
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:34 AM
            Subject: [gaykingdom] Off-topic, but very important.

            Hello, I am trying to reach out to the global GLBT community about an
            important issue.

            In a nutshell, here is what is going on:
            A 16 year old kid in Memphis Tennessee finally worked up the courage to
            come out to
            his parents. His parents, being christian fundamentalists immediatly
            freacked out, and forced
            him into a program called "Love In Action" who opperate a "camp" called
            "Refuge".

            The boy posted the rules of this camp on his blog at myspace.com. The
            rules give an
            extremly disturbing insight into what this camp really is, and how it
            opperates. In short:
            It is a cult-styled brain-washing program that uses "Shaming sessions",
            guilt, fear
            and hellfire and brimstone to "scare them straight".

            You can read more about it using the links below.

            Here is ONE of the things we are doing to protest these programs, and to
            show our
            support of this boy, and the many more in his predicament.

            It is a "Postcard Campaing".
            Please take a few moments to write a postcard to:
            Zach
            C/O Refuge
            P.O. Box 171444
            Memphis, TN 38187
            U.S.A.

            Postcards from your location are best, they show how widely spread the
            awareness
            and support has become.
            Please keep messages positive, without vulgar or overtly sexual
            connotations.
            And PLEASE pass this along to others, our goal is to get 20,000 postcards
            mailed to this kid in this "treatment center"

            Below are the links
            Cheers!
            bob cutler
            topekadiy@...

            http://groups.myspace.com/freezach

            http://www.qaconline.org

            http://www.lookmarks.com/Default.aspx?q=freezach

          • topekadiy@cox.net
            Hi! Getting him out of there is much easier said then done: He is a minor, and therefor his parents have all the say about it: And they are the ones that
            Message 5 of 10 , Jul 10, 2005
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              Hi!
              "Getting him out of there" is much easier said then done: He is a minor, and therefor
              his parents have all the say about it: And they are the ones that forced him in there.

              If you are connected to the church you described, and have any sort of access
              to these youth-focussed programs, then could you help out by contacting them about this?

              Perhaps it would be a fun and affirming activity for the youth to make and send postcards?
              And to help spread the word?

              I am sure that many of the adult Gay, and not-Gay groups in such a church would ALSO
              find it a good project to spend a meeting or bible-study time to make and send postcards?

              Or just to donate some postcards for others to fill out?

              I was also just turned onto this newsstory:
              http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/105/54.0.html

              Im not a christian, and generally despise organized religion, but I do respect other
              people interest and faith or whatever regarding their OWN beliefs, and I know that there
              are many supportive and sympathetic churches out there.

              I am also hoping that the entire Gaykingdom community, on-line and off-line
              could take a minute or two to send postcards.

              Cheers!
              bob c

              Thomas Fiola wrote:
              I am distressed to hear this, my best recommendation is to get him out there, I live in Scottsdale, east of Phoenix. In the Phoenix area we have some fairly good programs kinda earmarked for teens coming out and I also am a member of a fantastic Evangelical Christian church (Casa de Cristo, 602-265-2831,1029 E Turney Ave, Phoenix, AZ) that also works with groups that are in there teens (1N10, meets in the sanctuary regularly). It is a lively spirit-filled church in the center of the GLBT area of Phoenix and all are welcome. Also I would recommend reading a web site that a wonderful lady friend has put together, that helps explain and justify our position in life and before the LORD and it all goes back to John 3:16 again, Christ died ONCE for us, we just have to receive it and BELIEVE it. ChristianGay.com
               
              Best of luck, and if you can, keep me informed.
               
              Later
               
              Tom
              ----- Original Message -----
              Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:34 AM
              Subject: [gaykingdom] Off-topic, but very important.

              Hello, I am trying to reach out to the global GLBT community about an
              important issue.

              In a nutshell, here is what is going on:
              A 16 year old kid in Memphis Tennessee finally worked up the courage to
              come out to
              his parents. His parents, being christian fundamentalists immediatly
              freacked out, and forced
              him into a program called "Love In Action" who opperate a "camp" called
              "Refuge".

              The boy posted the rules of this camp on his blog at myspace.com. The
              rules give an
              extremly disturbing insight into what this camp really is, and how it
              opperates. In short:
              It is a cult-styled brain-washing program that uses "Shaming sessions",
              guilt, fear
              and hellfire and brimstone to "scare them straight".

              You can read more about it using the links below.

              Here is ONE of the things we are doing to protest these programs, and to
              show our
              support of this boy, and the many more in his predicament.

              It is a "Postcard Campaing".
              Please take a few moments to write a postcard to:
              Zach
              C/O Refuge
              P.O. Box 171444
              Memphis, TN 38187
              U.S.A.

              Postcards from your location are best, they show how widely spread the
              awareness
              and support has become.
              Please keep messages positive, without vulgar or overtly sexual
              connotations.
              And PLEASE pass this along to others, our goal is to get 20,000 postcards
              mailed to this kid in this "treatment center"

              Below are the links
              Cheers!
              bob cutler
              topekadiy@...

              http://groups.myspace.com/freezach

              http://www.qaconline.org

              http://www.lookmarks.com/Default.aspx?q=freezach

            • Thomas Fiola
              Bob, I will pass this to some others that have some pretty good connections... And we ll see what happens. Later Tom ... From:
              Message 6 of 10 , Jul 10, 2005
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                Bob,
                 
                I will pass this to some others that have some pretty good connections... And we'll see what happens.
                 
                Later
                 
                Tom
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:18 PM
                Subject: Re: [gaykingdom] Off-topic, but very important.

                Hi!
                "Getting him out of there" is much easier said then done: He is a minor, and therefor
                his parents have all the say about it: And they are the ones that forced him in there.

                If you are connected to the church you described, and have any sort of access
                to these youth-focussed programs, then could you help out by contacting them about this?

                Perhaps it would be a fun and affirming activity for the youth to make and send postcards?
                And to help spread the word?

                I am sure that many of the adult Gay, and not-Gay groups in such a church would ALSO
                find it a good project to spend a meeting or bible-study time to make and send postcards?

                Or just to donate some postcards for others to fill out?

                I was also just turned onto this newsstory:
                http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/105/54.0.html

                Im not a christian, and generally despise organized religion, but I do respect other
                people interest and faith or whatever regarding their OWN beliefs, and I know that there
                are many supportive and sympathetic churches out there.

                I am also hoping that the entire Gaykingdom community, on-line and off-line
                could take a minute or two to send postcards.

                Cheers!
                bob c

                Thomas Fiola wrote:
                I am distressed to hear this, my best recommendation is to get him out there, I live in Scottsdale, east of Phoenix. In the Phoenix area we have some fairly good programs kinda earmarked for teens coming out and I also am a member of a fantastic Evangelical Christian church (Casa de Cristo, 602-265-2831,1029 E Turney Ave, Phoenix, AZ) that also works with groups that are in there teens (1N10, meets in the sanctuary regularly). It is a lively spirit-filled church in the center of the GLBT area of Phoenix and all are welcome. Also I would recommend reading a web site that a wonderful lady friend has put together, that helps explain and justify our position in life and before the LORD and it all goes back to John 3:16 again, Christ died ONCE for us, we just have to receive it and BELIEVE it. ChristianGay.com
                 
                Best of luck, and if you can, keep me informed.
                 
                Later
                 
                Tom
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:34 AM
                Subject: [gaykingdom] Off-topic, but very important.

                Hello, I am trying to reach out to the global GLBT community about an
                important issue.

                In a nutshell, here is what is going on:
                A 16 year old kid in Memphis Tennessee finally worked up the courage to
                come out to
                his parents. His parents, being christian fundamentalists immediatly
                freacked out, and forced
                him into a program called "Love In Action" who opperate a "camp" called
                "Refuge".

                The boy posted the rules of this camp on his blog at myspace.com. The
                rules give an
                extremly disturbing insight into what this camp really is, and how it
                opperates. In short:
                It is a cult-styled brain-washing program that uses "Shaming sessions",
                guilt, fear
                and hellfire and brimstone to "scare them straight".

                You can read more about it using the links below.

                Here is ONE of the things we are doing to protest these programs, and to
                show our
                support of this boy, and the many more in his predicament.

                It is a "Postcard Campaing".
                Please take a few moments to write a postcard to:
                Zach
                C/O Refuge
                P.O. Box 171444
                Memphis, TN 38187
                U.S.A.

                Postcards from your location are best, they show how widely spread the
                awareness
                and support has become.
                Please keep messages positive, without vulgar or overtly sexual
                connotations.
                And PLEASE pass this along to others, our goal is to get 20,000 postcards
                mailed to this kid in this "treatment center"

                Below are the links
                Cheers!
                bob cutler
                topekadiy@...

                http://groups.myspace.com/freezach

                http://www.qaconline.org

                http://www.lookmarks.com/Default.aspx?q=freezach

              • topekadiy@cox.net
                Thanks Tom! At the very least, everyone on this mailing list should send a postcard to the address below. Cheers, bob c
                Message 7 of 10 , Jul 11, 2005
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                  Thanks Tom!

                  At the very least, everyone on this mailing list
                  should send a postcard to the address below.

                  Cheers,
                  bob c

                  Thomas Fiola wrote:
                  Bob,
                   
                  I will pass this to some others that have some pretty good connections... And we'll see what happens.
                   
                  Later
                   
                  Tom
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:18 PM
                  Subject: Re: [gaykingdom] Off-topic, but very important.

                  Hi!
                  "Getting him out of there" is much easier said then done: He is a minor, and therefor
                  his parents have all the say about it: And they are the ones that forced him in there.

                  If you are connected to the church you described, and have any sort of access
                  to these youth-focussed programs, then could you help out by contacting them about this?

                  Perhaps it would be a fun and affirming activity for the youth to make and send postcards?
                  And to help spread the word?

                  I am sure that many of the adult Gay, and not-Gay groups in such a church would ALSO
                  find it a good project to spend a meeting or bible-study time to make and send postcards?

                  Or just to donate some postcards for others to fill out?

                  I was also just turned onto this newsstory:
                  http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/105/54.0.html

                  Im not a christian, and generally despise organized religion, but I do respect other
                  people interest and faith or whatever regarding their OWN beliefs, and I know that there
                  are many supportive and sympathetic churches out there.

                  I am also hoping that the entire Gaykingdom community, on-line and off-line
                  could take a minute or two to send postcards.

                  Cheers!
                  bob c

                  Thomas Fiola wrote:
                  I am distressed to hear this, my best recommendation is to get him out there, I live in Scottsdale, east of Phoenix. In the Phoenix area we have some fairly good programs kinda earmarked for teens coming out and I also am a member of a fantastic Evangelical Christian church (Casa de Cristo, 602-265-2831,1029 E Turney Ave, Phoenix, AZ) that also works with groups that are in there teens (1N10, meets in the sanctuary regularly). It is a lively spirit-filled church in the center of the GLBT area of Phoenix and all are welcome. Also I would recommend reading a web site that a wonderful lady friend has put together, that helps explain and justify our position in life and before the LORD and it all goes back to John 3:16 again, Christ died ONCE for us, we just have to receive it and BELIEVE it. ChristianGay.com
                   
                  Best of luck, and if you can, keep me informed.
                   
                  Later
                   
                  Tom
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:34 AM
                  Subject: [gaykingdom] Off-topic, but very important.

                  Hello, I am trying to reach out to the global GLBT community about an
                  important issue.

                  In a nutshell, here is what is going on:
                  A 16 year old kid in Memphis Tennessee finally worked up the courage to
                  come out to
                  his parents. His parents, being christian fundamentalists immediatly
                  freacked out, and forced
                  him into a program called "Love In Action" who opperate a "camp" called
                  "Refuge".

                  The boy posted the rules of this camp on his blog at myspace.com. The
                  rules give an
                  extremly disturbing insight into what this camp really is, and how it
                  opperates. In short:
                  It is a cult-styled brain-washing program that uses "Shaming sessions",
                  guilt, fear
                  and hellfire and brimstone to "scare them straight".

                  You can read more about it using the links below.

                  Here is ONE of the things we are doing to protest these programs, and to
                  show our
                  support of this boy, and the many more in his predicament.

                  It is a "Postcard Campaing".
                  Please take a few moments to write a postcard to:
                  Zach
                  C/O Refuge
                  P.O. Box 171444
                  Memphis, TN 38187
                  U.S.A.

                  Postcards from your location are best, they show how widely spread the
                  awareness
                  and support has become.
                  Please keep messages positive, without vulgar or overtly sexual
                  connotations.
                  And PLEASE pass this along to others, our goal is to get 20,000 postcards
                  mailed to this kid in this "treatment center"

                  Below are the links
                  Cheers!
                  bob cutler
                  topekadiy@...

                  http://groups.myspace.com/freezach

                  http://www.qaconline.org

                  http://www.lookmarks.com/Default.aspx?q=freezach

                • Chris
                  Hello, First, please allow me to introduce myself. I am Louis, and I live in Memphis, TN. There have been regular protests here for almost a month now in front
                  Message 8 of 10 , Jul 13, 2005
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                    Hello,

                    First, please allow me to introduce myself. I am Louis, and I live in
                    Memphis, TN.

                    There have been regular protests here for almost a month now in front
                    of the "Love in Action" facility.

                    Myself and many members of the other-gendered community here have been
                    outraged and sickened by this organization for years, and we have
                    worked to bring their horrible tactics to light.

                    Many hours have been spent in the blazing hot sun and soaring
                    temperatures here, day after day, protesting against this horrible
                    group and their tactics.

                    Interestingly, there has been very little in the way of
                    counter-protest from the greater Memphis community.

                    The international attention that has been focused on this situation is
                    having a very positive effect.

                    I strongly encourage you in your post-card campaign.

                    The more pressure that can be brought to bear in this situation, the
                    better the chances that they will either stop what they are doing,
                    and/or they will be prosecuted for child abuse (which is really what
                    they are doing).

                    Thank you all for your earnest attention on this very serious matter.

                    Peace,

                    --Louis

                    --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, "topekadiy@c..." <topekadiy@c...>
                    wrote:
                    > Thanks Tom!
                    >
                    > At the very least, everyone on this mailing list
                    > should send a postcard to the address below.
                    >
                    > Cheers,
                    > bob c
                    >
                    > Thomas Fiola wrote:
                    >
                    > > Bob,
                    > >
                    > > I will pass this to some others that have some pretty good
                    > > connections... And we'll see what happens.
                    > >
                    > > Later
                    > >
                    > > Tom
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > *From:* topekadiy@c... <mailto:topekadiy@c...>
                    > > *To:* gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                    <mailto:gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > *Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:18 PM
                    > > *Subject:* Re: [gaykingdom] Off-topic, but very important.
                    > >
                    > > Hi!
                    > > "Getting him out of there" is much easier said then done: He is a
                    > > minor, and therefor
                    > > his parents have all the say about it: And they are the ones that
                    > > forced him in there.
                    > >
                    > > If you are connected to the church you described, and have any
                    > > sort of access
                    > > to these youth-focussed programs, then could you help out by
                    > > contacting them about this?
                    > >
                    > > Perhaps it would be a fun and affirming activity for the youth to
                    > > make and send postcards?
                    > > And to help spread the word?
                    > >
                    > > I am sure that many of the adult Gay, and not-Gay groups in such a
                    > > church would ALSO
                    > > find it a good project to spend a meeting or bible-study time to
                    > > make and send postcards?
                    > >
                    > > Or just to donate some postcards for others to fill out?
                    > >
                    > > I was also just turned onto this newsstory:
                    > > http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/105/54.0.html
                    > >
                    > > Im not a christian, and generally despise organized religion, but
                    > > I do respect other
                    > > people interest and faith or whatever regarding their OWN beliefs,
                    > > and I know that there
                    > > are many supportive and sympathetic churches out there.
                    > >
                    > > I am also hoping that the entire Gaykingdom community, on-line and
                    > > off-line
                    > > could take a minute or two to send postcards.
                    > >
                    > > Cheers!
                    > > bob c
                    > >
                    > > Thomas Fiola wrote:
                    > >
                    > >> I am distressed to hear this, my best recommendation is to get
                    > >> him out there, I live in Scottsdale, east of Phoenix. In the
                    > >> Phoenix area we have some fairly good programs kinda earmarked
                    > >> for teens coming out and I also am a member of a
                    > >> fantastic Evangelical Christian church (Casa de Cristo,
                    > >> 602-265-2831,1029 E Turney Ave, Phoenix, AZ) that also works with
                    > >> groups that are in there teens (1N10, meets in the sanctuary
                    > >> regularly). It is a lively spirit-filled church in the center of
                    > >> the GLBT area of Phoenix and all are welcome. Also I would
                    > >> recommend reading a web site that a wonderful lady friend has put
                    > >> together, that helps explain and justify our position in life and
                    > >> before the LORD and it all goes back to John 3:16 again, Christ
                    > >> died ONCE for us, we just have to receive it and BELIEVE it.
                    > >> ChristianGay.com <http://ChristianGay.com>
                    > >>
                    > >> Best of luck, and if you can, keep me informed.
                    > >>
                    > >> Later
                    > >>
                    > >> Tom
                    > >>
                    > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    > >> *From:* topekadiy@c... <mailto:topekadiy@c...>
                    > >> *To:* gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com
                    > >> <mailto:gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com>
                    > >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:34 AM
                    > >> *Subject:* [gaykingdom] Off-topic, but very important.
                    > >>
                    > >> Hello, I am trying to reach out to the global GLBT community
                    > >> about an
                    > >> important issue.
                    > >>
                    > >> In a nutshell, here is what is going on:
                    > >> A 16 year old kid in Memphis Tennessee finally worked up the
                    > >> courage to
                    > >> come out to
                    > >> his parents. His parents, being christian fundamentalists
                    > >> immediatly
                    > >> freacked out, and forced
                    > >> him into a program called "Love In Action" who opperate a
                    > >> "camp" called
                    > >> "Refuge".
                    > >>
                    > >> The boy posted the rules of this camp on his blog at
                    > >> myspace.com. The
                    > >> rules give an
                    > >> extremly disturbing insight into what this camp really is,
                    > >> and how it
                    > >> opperates. In short:
                    > >> It is a cult-styled brain-washing program that uses "Shaming
                    > >> sessions",
                    > >> guilt, fear
                    > >> and hellfire and brimstone to "scare them straight".
                    > >>
                    > >> You can read more about it using the links below.
                    > >>
                    > >> Here is ONE of the things we are doing to protest these
                    > >> programs, and to
                    > >> show our
                    > >> support of this boy, and the many more in his predicament.
                    > >>
                    > >> It is a "Postcard Campaing".
                    > >> Please take a few moments to write a postcard to:
                    > >> Zach
                    > >> C/O Refuge
                    > >> P.O. Box 171444
                    > >> Memphis, TN 38187
                    > >> U.S.A.
                    > >>
                    > >> Postcards from your location are best, they show how widely
                    > >> spread the
                    > >> awareness
                    > >> and support has become.
                    > >> Please keep messages positive, without vulgar or overtly
                    sexual
                    > >> connotations.
                    > >> And PLEASE pass this along to others, our goal is to get
                    > >> 20,000 postcards
                    > >> mailed to this kid in this "treatment center"
                    > >>
                    > >> Below are the links
                    > >> Cheers!
                    > >> bob cutler
                    > >> topekadiy@c...
                    > >>
                    > >> http://groups.myspace.com/freezach
                    > >>
                    > >> http://www.qaconline.org
                    > >>
                    > >> http://www.lookmarks.com/Default.aspx?q=freezach
                    > >>
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                  • Donald Kirby
                    This is the paramount question before us. Are the Citizens prepared to answer a call to arms if issued by HIM Dale. Is the GLK prepared to fight for it s right
                    Message 9 of 10 , Jul 26, 2005
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                      This is the paramount question before us. Are the
                      Citizens prepared to answer a call to arms if issued
                      by HIM Dale. Is the GLK prepared to fight for it's
                      right to survive, indeed to even exist? Is His Majesty
                      prepared to issue such a call? Yes we would face
                      certain genocide, but were not the founding Fathers of
                      AUS, The US, and France prepared to face the same. If
                      weare not ready to do so, then we need to call this
                      what it is: a child's game.
                      Please note that I do not condone a War of
                      Independance except as a last resort, but are We the
                      Oppressed ready to do so should all else fail?
                      I am.

                      --- Dale Parker Anderson <gaysovereign@...>
                      wrote:

                      > LETTER IS NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT IS WRITTEN ON!
                      >
                      > I know of this letter and it is not worth the paper
                      > it is written
                      > on. Mr Jaix Brooks a former member of the GLK
                      > Government is behind
                      > the letter. Some months back we gave Mr Brooks the
                      > option of
                      > resigning his government post or being sacked, to
                      > save face he
                      > resigned. The reason for this decision was because
                      > Mr Brooks was not
                      > a team player, he continued to promote his own
                      > agenda resulting in
                      > conflict, infighting and his presence had a
                      > destabilising effect on
                      > the Kingdom and its government. Since his removal
                      > from public office
                      > the government of the GLK has made most excellent
                      > progress.
                      >
                      > The Attorney Generals letter posted is incorrect,
                      > Australia does
                      > discriminate
                      > against gay and lesbian people and all same sex
                      > couples and I have
                      > set out bellow the areas of discrimination.
                      >
                      > The letter also states Australia rejects the Gay
                      > Kingdoms
                      > sovereignty over the Coral Sea Island Territory, and
                      > I wish to make
                      > it very clear that the Gay Kingdom rejects
                      > Australian sovereignty
                      > over the Coral Sea Island Territory, this is not a
                      > matter for
                      > Australia to decide, but a matter for the
                      > International Court of
                      > Justice to decide, under the United Nations charter
                      > of which
                      > Australia is a founding member, it clearly states
                      > that oppressed
                      > people of all overseas territories have a right to
                      > self-
                      > determination and self-government. Under
                      > International Law, gay and
                      > Lesbian people of Australia are oppressed and
                      > discriminated against
                      > and under the United Nations Charter the Coral Sea
                      > Islands are
                      > listed as an external overseas territory of
                      > Australia. We therefore
                      > have the legal right to self determination and self
                      > government.
                      >
                      >
                      > General Comment No. 12: The right to
                      > self-determination of peoples
                      > (Art. 1) : . 13/03/84.
                      > CCPR General Comment No. 12. (General Comments)
                      >
                      > Convention Abbreviation: CCPR
                      > GENERAL COMMENT 12
                      >
                      > The right to self-determination of peoples
                      >
                      > (Article 1)
                      >
                      > (Twenty-first session, 1984)
                      >
                      > 1. In accordance with the purposes and principles of
                      > the Charter of
                      > the United Nations, article 1 of the International
                      > Covenant on Civil
                      > and Political Rights recognizes that all peoples of
                      > overseas
                      > territories have the right of self-determination.
                      > The right of self-
                      > determination is of particular importance because
                      > its realization is
                      > an essential condition for the effective guarantee
                      > and observance of
                      > individual human rights and for the promotion and
                      > strengthening of
                      > those rights. It is for that reason that States set
                      > forth the right
                      > of self-determination in a provision of positive law
                      > in both
                      > Covenants and placed this provision as article 1
                      > apart from and
                      > before all of the other rights in the two Covenants.
                      >
                      > This is the reason the Coral Sea Island Territory
                      > was chosen because
                      > it fits the United Nations charter for self
                      > government and self
                      > determination as the Coral Sea Islands are an
                      > external overseas
                      > territory of Australia.
                      >
                      > My view as Sovereign is to ignore such letters and
                      > to ignore those
                      > people like Mr Jaix Brooks who have nothing better
                      > to do with there
                      > time than to cause trouble.
                      >
                      > Rome was not built in a day nor will the GLK be
                      > built in a day,
                      > Israel declared its independence more than 50 years
                      > ago yet even
                      > today there are Arab states that refuse to recognise
                      > the Jewish
                      > State or its sovereignty we must not let negative
                      > sick people get to
                      > us and must focus on the positive.
                      >
                      > I hope the follow information will prove how
                      > incorrect the ATTORNEY-
                      > GENERAL THE HON PHIUP RUDDOCK MP's letter is
                      >
                      > Issues relative to The Gay Kingdoms of the Coral Sea
                      > Islands
                      > Secession and the letter of ATTORNEY-GENERAL THE HON
                      > PHIUP RUDDOCK MP
                      >
                      >
                      > NOTE & COMMENT: THE GAY KINGDOMS SECESSION ISSUE and
                      > recent history
                      > the last 10 years of the Australian Governments
                      > discrimination
                      > against the Gay Tribe.
                      >
                      >
                      > In the past 10 years no comprehensive reforms have
                      > been advanced by
                      > the Australian Government and same sex couples
                      > continue to be denied
                      > rights afforded to heterosexual couples in areas
                      > such as medicare,
                      > taxation, immigration, defence forces and
                      > superannuation. Gay
                      > families aren't recognised under Australian Law and
                      > gay and lesbian
                      > people do not have adequate government protection
                      > from
                      > discrimination. Recently the government used gay
                      > rights as a
                      > political wedge by introducing amendments to the
                      > Marriage Act, over
                      > the past 10 years the Australian government has
                      > repeatedly attacked
                      > the gay community and has confirmed there status as
                      > the most
                      > homophobic government in Australian history. They
                      > have cut
                      > immigration for same sex partners, tried to ban IVF
                      > treatment to
                      > lesbians, falsely accused the openly gay Chief
                      > Justice Michael Kirby
                      > of being a paedophile and stood silently by when
                      > this proved false,
                      > attacked gay families on TV, threatened to overturn
                      > the State same
                      > sex couple adoption laws, and declared marriage as
                      > being about the
                      > survival of the species. The Australian government
                      > is tearing gay
                      > people and families apart, the new marriage bill now
                      > prohibits gay
                      > marriage and has been passed in both houses of
                      > parliament. The
                      > implications are far reaching, gay people are now
                      > denied hospital
                      > visits (when only family or spouse are allowed),
                      > housing rights, tax
                      > benefits, superannuation, invalidation of overseas
                      > marriages, and so
                      > on.
                      >
                      > 1994: Australian Gay activists take Australia to the
                      > United Nations
                      > and win there case that forces the Australian
                      > government to
                      > introduce the Commonwealth Human Rights (Sexual
                      > Conduct) Bill that
                      > gives gay people in states like Tasmania the right
                      > to have sex in
                      > their own home.
                      >
                      > 1996: The Australian Government slashes the number
                      > of "Interdependency visas", making migration for
                      > same sex couples
                      > far more difficult.
                      >
                      > 1997: In response to the discrimination claim of a
                      > lesbian, the
                      > government threatens to remove Medicare rebates for
                      > lesbians who
                      > access fertility services. In response to the case
                      > the Australian
                      > attorney general first threatens to amend the sex
                      > discrimination
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                    • So Lo
                      I ve retired to believe that the world won t ever be fit for me, as I am to be considered a second-hand citizen in most nations. If my life/death will have a
                      Message 10 of 10 , Jul 26, 2005
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                        I've retired to believe that the world won't ever be fit for me, as I
                        am to be considered a second-hand citizen in most nations. If my
                        life/death will have a semblance of meaning by contributing to change
                        the world for future generations of the LGBT Community, then sobeit.
                        I'd give my life gladly.

                        --- In gaykingdom@yahoogroups.com, Donald Kirby <kndmgck@y...> wrote:
                        > This is the paramount question before us. Are the
                        > Citizens prepared to answer a call to arms if issued
                        > by HIM Dale. Is the GLK prepared to fight for it's
                        > right to survive, indeed to even exist? Is His Majesty
                        > prepared to issue such a call? Yes we would face
                        > certain genocide, but were not the founding Fathers of
                        > AUS, The US, and France prepared to face the same. If
                        > weare not ready to do so, then we need to call this
                        > what it is: a child's game.
                        > Please note that I do not condone a War of
                        > Independance except as a last resort, but are We the
                        > Oppressed ready to do so should all else fail?
                        > I am.
                        >
                        > --- Dale Parker Anderson <gaysovereign@y...>
                        > wrote:
                        >
                        > > LETTER IS NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT IS WRITTEN ON!
                        > >
                        > > I know of this letter and it is not worth the paper
                        > > it is written
                        > > on. Mr Jaix Brooks a former member of the GLK
                        > > Government is behind
                        > > the letter. Some months back we gave Mr Brooks the
                        > > option of
                        > > resigning his government post or being sacked, to
                        > > save face he
                        > > resigned. The reason for this decision was because
                        > > Mr Brooks was not
                        > > a team player, he continued to promote his own
                        > > agenda resulting in
                        > > conflict, infighting and his presence had a
                        > > destabilising effect on
                        > > the Kingdom and its government. Since his removal
                        > > from public office
                        > > the government of the GLK has made most excellent
                        > > progress.
                        > >
                        > > The Attorney Generals letter posted is incorrect,
                        > > Australia does
                        > > discriminate
                        > > against gay and lesbian people and all same sex
                        > > couples and I have
                        > > set out bellow the areas of discrimination.
                        > >
                        > > The letter also states Australia rejects the Gay
                        > > Kingdoms
                        > > sovereignty over the Coral Sea Island Territory, and
                        > > I wish to make
                        > > it very clear that the Gay Kingdom rejects
                        > > Australian sovereignty
                        > > over the Coral Sea Island Territory, this is not a
                        > > matter for
                        > > Australia to decide, but a matter for the
                        > > International Court of
                        > > Justice to decide, under the United Nations charter
                        > > of which
                        > > Australia is a founding member, it clearly states
                        > > that oppressed
                        > > people of all overseas territories have a right to
                        > > self-
                        > > determination and self-government. Under
                        > > International Law, gay and
                        > > Lesbian people of Australia are oppressed and
                        > > discriminated against
                        > > and under the United Nations Charter the Coral Sea
                        > > Islands are
                        > > listed as an external overseas territory of
                        > > Australia. We therefore
                        > > have the legal right to self determination and self
                        > > government.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > General Comment No. 12: The right to
                        > > self-determination of peoples
                        > > (Art. 1) : . 13/03/84.
                        > > CCPR General Comment No. 12. (General Comments)
                        > >
                        > > Convention Abbreviation: CCPR
                        > > GENERAL COMMENT 12
                        > >
                        > > The right to self-determination of peoples
                        > >
                        > > (Article 1)
                        > >
                        > > (Twenty-first session, 1984)
                        > >
                        > > 1. In accordance with the purposes and principles of
                        > > the Charter of
                        > > the United Nations, article 1 of the International
                        > > Covenant on Civil
                        > > and Political Rights recognizes that all peoples of
                        > > overseas
                        > > territories have the right of self-determination.
                        > > The right of self-
                        > > determination is of particular importance because
                        > > its realization is
                        > > an essential condition for the effective guarantee
                        > > and observance of
                        > > individual human rights and for the promotion and
                        > > strengthening of
                        > > those rights. It is for that reason that States set
                        > > forth the right
                        > > of self-determination in a provision of positive law
                        > > in both
                        > > Covenants and placed this provision as article 1
                        > > apart from and
                        > > before all of the other rights in the two Covenants.
                        > >
                        > > This is the reason the Coral Sea Island Territory
                        > > was chosen because
                        > > it fits the United Nations charter for self
                        > > government and self
                        > > determination as the Coral Sea Islands are an
                        > > external overseas
                        > > territory of Australia.
                        > >
                        > > My view as Sovereign is to ignore such letters and
                        > > to ignore those
                        > > people like Mr Jaix Brooks who have nothing better
                        > > to do with there
                        > > time than to cause trouble.
                        > >
                        > > Rome was not built in a day nor will the GLK be
                        > > built in a day,
                        > > Israel declared its independence more than 50 years
                        > > ago yet even
                        > > today there are Arab states that refuse to recognise
                        > > the Jewish
                        > > State or its sovereignty we must not let negative
                        > > sick people get to
                        > > us and must focus on the positive.
                        > >
                        > > I hope the follow information will prove how
                        > > incorrect the ATTORNEY-
                        > > GENERAL THE HON PHIUP RUDDOCK MP's letter is
                        > >
                        > > Issues relative to The Gay Kingdoms of the Coral Sea
                        > > Islands
                        > > Secession and the letter of ATTORNEY-GENERAL THE HON
                        > > PHIUP RUDDOCK MP
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > NOTE & COMMENT: THE GAY KINGDOMS SECESSION ISSUE and
                        > > recent history
                        > > the last 10 years of the Australian Governments
                        > > discrimination
                        > > against the Gay Tribe.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > In the past 10 years no comprehensive reforms have
                        > > been advanced by
                        > > the Australian Government and same sex couples
                        > > continue to be denied
                        > > rights afforded to heterosexual couples in areas
                        > > such as medicare,
                        > > taxation, immigration, defence forces and
                        > > superannuation. Gay
                        > > families aren't recognised under Australian Law and
                        > > gay and lesbian
                        > > people do not have adequate government protection
                        > > from
                        > > discrimination. Recently the government used gay
                        > > rights as a
                        > > political wedge by introducing amendments to the
                        > > Marriage Act, over
                        > > the past 10 years the Australian government has
                        > > repeatedly attacked
                        > > the gay community and has confirmed there status as
                        > > the most
                        > > homophobic government in Australian history. They
                        > > have cut
                        > > immigration for same sex partners, tried to ban IVF
                        > > treatment to
                        > > lesbians, falsely accused the openly gay Chief
                        > > Justice Michael Kirby
                        > > of being a paedophile and stood silently by when
                        > > this proved false,
                        > > attacked gay families on TV, threatened to overturn
                        > > the State same
                        > > sex couple adoption laws, and declared marriage as
                        > > being about the
                        > > survival of the species. The Australian government
                        > > is tearing gay
                        > > people and families apart, the new marriage bill now
                        > > prohibits gay
                        > > marriage and has been passed in both houses of
                        > > parliament. The
                        > > implications are far reaching, gay people are now
                        > > denied hospital
                        > > visits (when only family or spouse are allowed),
                        > > housing rights, tax
                        > > benefits, superannuation, invalidation of overseas
                        > > marriages, and so
                        > > on.
                        > >
                        > > 1994: Australian Gay activists take Australia to the
                        > > United Nations
                        > > and win there case that forces the Australian
                        > > government to
                        > > introduce the Commonwealth Human Rights (Sexual
                        > > Conduct) Bill that
                        > > gives gay people in states like Tasmania the right
                        > > to have sex in
                        > > their own home.
                        > >
                        > > 1996: The Australian Government slashes the number
                        > > of "Interdependency visas", making migration for
                        > > same sex couples
                        > > far more difficult.
                        > >
                        > > 1997: In response to the discrimination claim of a
                        > > lesbian, the
                        > > government threatens to remove Medicare rebates for
                        > > lesbians who
                        > > access fertility services. In response to the case
                        > > the Australian
                        > > attorney general first threatens to amend the sex
                        > > discrimination
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