RE: [gaykingdom] Re: MAKE A CHANGE
- And I would have to agree with Bill on this one. I am a half-Puerto Rican Gay Jewish man. The word tolerance just doesn't sit right with me. I want acceptance, and not tolerance for who I am as a human being. If someone had to tolerate me, what does that really mean. We tolerate a toothache, but we accept a mole. I don't want to be tolerated like a toothache (something we wish we didn't have to do) and be accepted like a mole (hey it made that one model famous!)I think a more appropriate campaign would be one of Diversity Acceptance and not Tolerance.
Just my 2 cents as well ;0)
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From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf Of Jesse Judice
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:59 AM
Subject: [gaykingdom] Re: MAKE A CHANGE<BETOLERANT.COM < To whom it may concern
I'm astonished at the level of maturity that was put in to the recent
post that I'm replying to.
First of all lets take a look into this Betolerant.com they have a
simple mission whish is as follows "to promote tolerance and respect
for diversity. Diverse life styles. Diverse religions. Diverse race
and ethnicities. Diverse opinions. Even the diverse eccentricities
that make each of us unique."
Ok now lets all take a look at the definition of Tolerance,
Tolerance: The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and
respecting the beliefs or practices of others.
It's extremely simple as Betolerant's mission describes. Now as for
the poster of the post I am replying to... You are currently
supporting the GLK movement am I correct? Yes I am. Now I would like
everyone to take a look at what The Poster is supporting, I'll quote
from the gaykingdom.com website which states as follows, "We reflect
upon the extreme sadness, because while our great diversity should be
received by others outside of our Tribe as a great gift, we are
shunned and excluded on the basis of our belonging to our Unified Gay
Let's outline something in that statement for a moment. "Because while
our great diversity should be received by others outside of our Tribe"
The poster of the post I'm replying to is clearly contradicting their
involvements in the GLK.
Also lets read and I'll quote "Both children and adults must be taught
to embrace diversity, not tolerate it."
Now lets all take a look at these definitions,
To clasp or hold close with the arms, usually as an expression
1. The fact or quality of being diverse; difference.
2. A point or respect in which things differ.
So I suppose I'll re sum up what the poster might have been saying is
that, Adults and Children need to be taught to respect the that that
people are different and as being a human being they should have
respect for these different Diversities.
People, humans... Make choices every day. To be tolerant of things is
something that should be carried out mostly because we all deserve to
be respected, who doesn't want respect? I applaud the BETOLERANT.COM
site for its efforts in bringing people together and making a stand.
If you really think about it... If America and people in there
diversities and what not were Tolerant we in our diversity wouldn't
need the GLK now would we? No because America and American Politicians
would "Tolerate" us, they would "tolerate" gay marriage... And it's
not just the gay issue... If people would tolerate other people's
beliefs and preferences more, then there would be hardly any conflicts
that we are all facing now.
The Tolerance mission seems to me as being on the lines of gaining
acceptance from the public of not only the gay diversity issue but
others as well... These things are already in progress... There are
several other organizations making progress with these issues. The
tolerance site is just another way to do this and is actually a smart
way to go about it... Now as for the Purple wrist band... well with it
being pride season and all good job, I don't think they are saying
"Hey everyone who wants to put up with us wear this `year round' `out
in public everywhere'." There are humans out there that already
tolerate and accept different diversities... And this is a one way
that is being made available for them to let people know they accept,
respect, possibly support, and understand diversity.... You can rattle
you brain over and over all night long to come up with more criticism
on an idea of unity and acceptance and Tolerance and what not but it
all leads to one thing... RESPECT. And there is so many other things
that follow that notion as well. Every thing is worth a try. I hope
that the Tolerance Site is successful and makes some changes, Changes
are as we can all see needed. If Tolerance fails, try a different way
of doing things... As everyone knows the world needs refurbishing
lol... Criticism of peoples efforts get no one anywhere, and is truly
a waste of breath and time. So everyone keep trying and don't give up!
Best of wishes to all.
Note to Betolerant.com It seems to me as though your in your begging
stages. Best of luck in your efforts. If there is anything I can do to
help in the efforts don't hesitate to contact me.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, <wjf@b...> wrote:
> Dear Lucky Boy,
> I find the idea that others should TOLERATE me, my gender identity
or my sexual orientation to be
> utterly offensive.
> I am a human being and no one should think they are doing me a favor
by TOLERATING me.
> I am not a nuisance to be quietly endured, and if someone feels they
need to TOLERATE me,
> perhaps that person needs to wear a purple wristband so that we can
easily identify them for re-
> education and sensitivity enhancement.
> Both children and adults must be taught to embrace diversity, not
tolerate it. Those that feel they must
> tolerate diversity in other human beings are not complete human
beings. If they hold such beliefs,
> they have a flaw in their character which no purple wristband will
> I'll be eager to see someone wearing one of these purple wristbands.
> -Bill Freeman
> > From: LuckyBoyFLA@a...
> > Date: 2005/06/06 Mon PM 06:11:11 EDT
> > To: email@example.com
> > Subject: [gaykingdom] MAKE A CHANGE - START TODAY -
www.BETOLERANT.COM - WATCH IT
> GROW & SHOW YOUR SUP
> > MAKE A CHANGE - START TODAY - _www.BETOLERANT.COM_
> > (http://www.betolerant.com/) - WATCH IT GROW & SHOW YOUR SUPPORT
> > CELEBRATE GAY PRIDE AND BETOLERANT
> > Specially Designed Purple Tolerance Bands
> > to Support Gay & Lesbian Rights, Charities & Community
> > In recognition of Gay and Lesbian Pride Month, _www.Betolerant.com_
> > (http://www.betolerant.com/) has launched, kicking off with a
> > Tolerance. To embrace diverse lifestyles. Diverse religions.
Diverse race and
> > ethnicities. Diverse opinions. Even the diverse eccentricities
that make each of
> > us unique.
> > What a better way for people to show their support and
> > wearing a simple wristband.
> > Although glancing at the Tolerance wristband may cause the
> > urge to: give up your seat on the train; say thank you; open your
> > the elevator door for a stranger; smile; and maybe open your mind.
> > BeTolerants.com's mission is simple - to promote and reinforce
> > a way of life. To provide a place for people to come together
and show their
> > support, not only for the Gay and Lesbian community, but for every
> > community.
> > So spread the word. Show your support & do your part to BeTolerant.
> > luckyboyfla@a...
- sorry for the confusion...check out the site.. you'll see our GOAL is acceptance of everyone...thanks...In a message dated 6/7/2005 2:57:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, neonjase@... writes:And I would have to agree with Bill on this one. I am a half-Puerto Rican Gay Jewish man. The word tolerance just doesn't sit right with me. I want acceptance, and not tolerance for who I am as a human being. If someone had to tolerate me, what does that really mean. We tolerate a toothache, but we accept a mole. I don't want to be tolerated like a toothache (something we wish we didn't have to do) and be accepted like a mole (hey it made that one model famous!)I think a more appropriate campaign would be one of Diversity Acceptance and not Tolerance.
Just my 2 cents as well ;0)luckyboyfla@...