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  • murdoch
    On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:24:45 -0700, Doug Korthof wrote: Hi, Is it a time of oil emergency supposedly severe enough to justify
    Message 1 of 5 , May 1, 2004
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      On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:24:45 -0700, Doug Korthof <doug@...>
      wrote:

      Hi,
      Is it a time of "oil emergency" supposedly severe enough to
      justify environmental waivers and foreign wars? The need for
      oil is supposedly to keep our economy running, a national security
      issue. But is it really so?

      If it were a real emergency, as in WW-II, there would be a crash
      program of building Electric Cars. Mass production techniques
      would drive the cost of a 120 mile range EV down below $8000.

      But if it's really a way to avoid losing lives of our troops,
      and dis-entangling ourselves from the messy politics of the
      middle east, surely it would be cost-effective to give them away
      for free.

      Powering such an EV can be done with off-peak electric; for those
      in sunny climes, a crash program of solar rooftop electric will
      enable people to live COST FREE as well as (essentially) OIL-FREE.

      80% of our gasoline is expended on round trips from our homes of
      80 miles or less. If just half of those "runabout" cars were
      replaced with "national emergency" Electric Cars, we would
      NOT NEED TO IMPORT OVERSEAS OIL. That's right, domestic and
      other North American supplies would suffice. How many Electric
      Cars would this take? Let's say 30 million. At a cost of $240B,
      that would be less than this year's bill for blowing up Iraq, not
      to mention all the other troops and expenses that protect foreign
      oil and cater to the whims of oil dictators.

      Basically, an EV1 electric car using simple lead-acid recyclable
      batteries goes 110 miles on the energy equivalent of a half-gallon
      of gasoline. The average gas car travels about 10 miles on
      the same quantity of gasoline.

      Hence, we would cut our energy bill by 90% by going to EVs.
      It would be no smog, and no foreign wars. All we have to
      do is show the will, the national commitment. It is possible,
      even necessary, but without leadership, it won't happen.

      ---------------------------------------------------------

      First day driving the ACPropulsion car

      The AC-150 is the name of the motor-controller-charger unit which is
      the heart of the EV. Just add batteries and ergonomic controls, and
      you have an EV that rocks!

      I am fortunate enough to be driving a vehicle made by
      http://ACPropulsion.com This "AC-150" (until it gets a name) is the
      successor vehicle to the EV1 and uses even more advanced technology.

      But it is not as polished as you would expect from a production
      vehicle, it's more like a drag racer.

      There are 8 "bars of power", and a hefty reserve under that. I am
      trying to coddle the new batteries, which are about half as good as
      the Panasonic lead-acid batteries on the old 1997 EV1. This car is
      almost like being thrown back in time to the 1997 EV1 with the
      allegedly defective Delco batteries, which had only 60-70 miles
      range. An EV is no better than its batteries, and GM seems to have
      sabotaged the original EV1.

      Restraint lasts only up to the freeway entrance, as a big pickup
      truck starts eating my extension cord. Of course, it disappears in
      the electron cloud as I crank up the power just a tiny bit, swooping
      onto the freeway. Not easy to restrain the power, when there is so
      much. But these first few outing are just for cycling the batteries.

      One of the neatest features is a slide control for the regenerative
      braking. Push it up, you are all coast; pull it down, you are 100%
      regen. This brings the car to a stop very fast, so you don't need
      much brake; on the other hand, don't pull your foot off the pedal
      too fast! Other neat features including variable charging and cruise
      control.

      On the 57 fwy north, wave and beep at a Prius "hybrid" in lane 3.
      For some reason, he is only going 55. We want to encourage people to
      associate Prius with electric car. Some day, the oil companies will
      allow hybrids that can be plugged in. Meanwhile, this is the same
      tactic, in reverse, that was used by the Oilies: they put out
      hybrids, and when people saw our EV1, they thought it was a hybrid!
      Because that's all that was permitted to be advertised!

      The greatest thing about this AC-150 is the similarity to the
      vanished EV1, although it is a tad heavier. Is that why GM is
      carefully destroying all the light-weight EV1 bodies in a mass
      grave somewhere?

      When GM destroyed ALL the EV1 they confiscated so far, they only
      pulled the batteries and tires. ALL the motors, controllers, and
      the light-weight, marvelously aerodynamic bodies were nibbled and
      destroyed. If they were interested in asset recovery, they would
      sell the parts for a profit, or let people buy the car for a
      souvenir: instead, they go to great lengths to make sure that all
      its parts are destroyed.

      At SCAQMD, one lone, scared EV1 was hunched over its charging
      cord, as if knowing that its days were numbered.

      A security guard came up and said, "...no one wants
      those, they don't make them any more...". I guess this copy would
      fetch $50,000 cash on the barrel head, if GM were not going to
      vindictively destroy it. I offered the guy $30k for the car, but he
      said he could not deliver it. Still, he'll probably continue to
      believe "nobody wants them".

      The fast charger yieds 4 bars of power (there are 8 total) in about
      20 minutes. The EV1 is limited to charging on the magnecharger.
      The "AC-150" can charge from the fast charging connector (50A) or
      the Avcon (29A) or normal 120 (29A).

      Making the transition to the 57 north, it was fun to swoop past a
      corvette, who shut down in despair. The AC-150 went about 60-65,
      with the cruise control, until the jam-up.

      We decide to head north to the source, AC Propulsion offices. I
      behave until hitting the 57 entrance on Sunset Crossing, zooming out
      in front of all slow traffic. This car reminds me of the EV1, when
      you always leave the pack in the dust. Even with the RAV4-EV, you
      can usually be in front. With this car, you can stay in front of
      any car, if you so choose, and not using too much power either. The
      slow mustang in front of me paused, confused by merging with a
      truck. Cars were crowding us, but the EV merged around it all,
      flowing smoothly into the lane 2 traffic pattern.

      Arriving at ACpropulsion with 3 bars of power (out of 8). Inside
      this building is the source of the most advanced EV technology in
      the world. No one can equal the power and convenience of the AC-150,
      which forms the heart of the EV, and certainly no once can equal its
      performance. They are rumored to be working on Lithium battery packs
      that contain almost 5 times the juice of the car I am driving, and
      weighs only half as much as the 28 cruddy batteries that are in it
      now. What performance this car would have, with that kind of
      batteries! ACP is also supposed to be converting a Scion to an EV. I
      wonder how much they have to cut out, where they put the batteries,
      how they hook it up to the transaxle. I hear the Scion transaxle is
      the transmission, so it probably takes some engineering.

      Then there is the legendary T-Zero. With the latest version of the
      AC-150 (reputedly called "gen II") and new batteries, it goes 0 to
      60 in 3.6 seconds and goes up to 300 miles on a charge.

      Total trip was 90 miles, using appx. 13-14 bars of power. This means
      about 6-7 miles per bar, or a range of 48-56 miles for the 8 bars of
      power on the dash. In addition, there is a big reserve, but I am
      keeping the batteries mostly full during the break-in period, and
      this was just the first freeway excursion.

      http://ev1.org/ac150 for pictures

      first posted to
      http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/electric_vehicles_for_sale


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    • Bret Squire
      I wish they had something like that here in the Detroit area. As far as I know everyone here is pushing for fuel cells.
      Message 2 of 5 , May 4, 2004
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        I wish they had something like that here in the Detroit area. As far
        as I know everyone here is pushing for fuel cells.
      • manuel grimaud
        Well written MURDOCH, This is why I say lets get the bull by the horns...us the meek. Check out www.treffpunktzukunft.com Site in german but if you brouze a
        Message 3 of 5 , May 5, 2004
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          Well written MURDOCH,

          This is why I say lets get the bull by the horns...us the meek.

          Check out www.treffpunktzukunft.com

          Site in german but if you brouze a bit anyone can get the gist of the potential of this EV..
          Lead acid batteries can propell a small EV at 120kmh for 120km.
          Company had to refrain from production and now is selling EV as patent /under license to interested parties.

          The problem is that the car manufacturing companies keep promissing high tech (illusive) EV that they do not want to materialize for a number of reasons.
          Mainly because as long as they keep promissing they keep to benefit from governemental funding.

          So, please do not think that I am in any way biased as regards to the EV I refere to. It is simply that there are some 140 units on the road which I have tested personally.
          Lead acid batteries are here and cheap. NOW.
          The EV works and has been on the roads of Germany for more that 7 years.

          BUT production was halted some 3 years ago due to pressure from car makers there.

          Thank you
          MG


          murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote:
          On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:24:45 -0700, Doug Korthof <doug@...>
          wrote:

          Hi,
          Is it a time of "oil emergency" supposedly severe enough to
          justify environmental waivers and foreign wars? The need for
          oil is supposedly to keep our economy running, a national security
          issue. But is it really so?

          If it were a real emergency, as in WW-II, there would be a crash
          program of building Electric Cars. Mass production techniques
          would drive the cost of a 120 mile range EV down below $8000.

          But if it's really a way to avoid losing lives of our troops,
          and dis-entangling ourselves from the messy politics of the
          middle east, surely it would be cost-effective to give them away
          for free.

          Powering such an EV can be done with off-peak electric; for those
          in sunny climes, a crash program of solar rooftop electric will
          enable people to live COST FREE as well as (essentially) OIL-FREE.

          80% of our gasoline is expended on round trips from our homes of
          80 miles or less. If just half of those "runabout" cars were
          replaced with "national emergency" Electric Cars, we would
          NOT NEED TO IMPORT OVERSEAS OIL. That's right, domestic and
          other North American supplies would suffice. How many Electric
          Cars would this take? Let's say 30 million. At a cost of $240B,
          that would be less than this year's bill for blowing up Iraq, not
          to mention all the other troops and expenses that protect foreign
          oil and cater to the whims of oil dictators.

          Basically, an EV1 electric car using simple lead-acid recyclable
          batteries goes 110 miles on the energy equivalent of a half-gallon
          of gasoline. The average gas car travels about 10 miles on
          the same quantity of gasoline.

          Hence, we would cut our energy bill by 90% by going to EVs.
          It would be no smog, and no foreign wars. All we have to
          do is show the will, the national commitment. It is possible,
          even necessary, but without leadership, it won't happen.

          ---------------------------------------------------------

          First day driving the ACPropulsion car

          The AC-150 is the name of the motor-controller-charger unit which is
          the heart of the EV. Just add batteries and ergonomic controls, and
          you have an EV that rocks!

          I am fortunate enough to be driving a vehicle made by
          http://ACPropulsion.com This "AC-150" (until it gets a name) is the
          successor vehicle to the EV1 and uses even more advanced technology.

          But it is not as polished as you would expect from a production
          vehicle, it's more like a drag racer.

          There are 8 "bars of power", and a hefty reserve under that. I am
          trying to coddle the new batteries, which are about half as good as
          the Panasonic lead-acid batteries on the old 1997 EV1. This car is
          almost like being thrown back in time to the 1997 EV1 with the
          allegedly defective Delco batteries, which had only 60-70 miles
          range. An EV is no better than its batteries, and GM seems to have
          sabotaged the original EV1.

          Restraint lasts only up to the freeway entrance, as a big pickup
          truck starts eating my extension cord. Of course, it disappears in
          the electron cloud as I crank up the power just a tiny bit, swooping
          onto the freeway. Not easy to restrain the power, when there is so
          much. But these first few outing are just for cycling the batteries.

          One of the neatest features is a slide control for the regenerative
          braking. Push it up, you are all coast; pull it down, you are 100%
          regen. This brings the car to a stop very fast, so you don't need
          much brake; on the other hand, don't pull your foot off the pedal
          too fast! Other neat features including variable charging and cruise
          control.

          On the 57 fwy north, wave and beep at a Prius "hybrid" in lane 3.
          For some reason, he is only going 55. We want to encourage people to
          associate Prius with electric car. Some day, the oil companies will
          allow hybrids that can be plugged in. Meanwhile, this is the same
          tactic, in reverse, that was used by the Oilies: they put out
          hybrids, and when people saw our EV1, they thought it was a hybrid!
          Because that's all that was permitted to be advertised!

          The greatest thing about this AC-150 is the similarity to the
          vanished EV1, although it is a tad heavier. Is that why GM is
          carefully destroying all the light-weight EV1 bodies in a mass
          grave somewhere?

          When GM destroyed ALL the EV1 they confiscated so far, they only
          pulled the batteries and tires. ALL the motors, controllers, and
          the light-weight, marvelously aerodynamic bodies were nibbled and
          destroyed. If they were interested in asset recovery, they would
          sell the parts for a profit, or let people buy the car for a
          souvenir: instead, they go to great lengths to make sure that all
          its parts are destroyed.

          At SCAQMD, one lone, scared EV1 was hunched over its charging
          cord, as if knowing that its days were numbered.

          A security guard came up and said, "...no one wants
          those, they don't make them any more...". I guess this copy would
          fetch $50,000 cash on the barrel head, if GM were not going to
          vindictively destroy it. I offered the guy $30k for the car, but he
          said he could not deliver it. Still, he'll probably continue to
          believe "nobody wants them".

          The fast charger yieds 4 bars of power (there are 8 total) in about
          20 minutes. The EV1 is limited to charging on the magnecharger.
          The "AC-150" can charge from the fast charging connector (50A) or
          the Avcon (29A) or normal 120 (29A).

          Making the transition to the 57 north, it was fun to swoop past a
          corvette, who shut down in despair. The AC-150 went about 60-65,
          with the cruise control, until the jam-up.

          We decide to head north to the source, AC Propulsion offices. I
          behave until hitting the 57 entrance on Sunset Crossing, zooming out
          in front of all slow traffic. This car reminds me of the EV1, when
          you always leave the pack in the dust. Even with the RAV4-EV, you
          can usually be in front. With this car, you can stay in front of
          any car, if you so choose, and not using too much power either. The
          slow mustang in front of me paused, confused by merging with a
          truck. Cars were crowding us, but the EV merged around it all,
          flowing smoothly into the lane 2 traffic pattern.

          Arriving at ACpropulsion with 3 bars of power (out of 8). Inside
          this building is the source of the most advanced EV technology in
          the world. No one can equal the power and convenience of the AC-150,
          which forms the heart of the EV, and certainly no once can equal its
          performance. They are rumored to be working on Lithium battery packs
          that contain almost 5 times the juice of the car I am driving, and
          weighs only half as much as the 28 cruddy batteries that are in it
          now. What performance this car would have, with that kind of
          batteries! ACP is also supposed to be converting a Scion to an EV. I
          wonder how much they have to cut out, where they put the batteries,
          how they hook it up to the transaxle. I hear the Scion transaxle is
          the transmission, so it probably takes some engineering.

          Then there is the legendary T-Zero. With the latest version of the
          AC-150 (reputedly called "gen II") and new batteries, it goes 0 to
          60 in 3.6 seconds and goes up to 300 miles on a charge.

          Total trip was 90 miles, using appx. 13-14 bars of power. This means
          about 6-7 miles per bar, or a range of 48-56 miles for the 8 bars of
          power on the dash. In addition, there is a big reserve, but I am
          keeping the batteries mostly full during the break-in period, and
          this was just the first freeway excursion.

          http://ev1.org/ac150 for pictures

          first posted to
          http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/electric_vehicles_for_sale


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        • murdoch
          Thanks for this post. I am always particularly keen to get the lowdown as to what is going on outside of the U.S. on this front. The U.S. is very committed
          Message 4 of 5 , May 5, 2004
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            Thanks for this post. I am always particularly keen to get the
            lowdown as to what is going on outside of the U.S. on this front. The
            U.S. is very committed to Oil use, and I am always hopeful that other
            areas will really show us a thing or two.

            I'm sorry to hear of the stopping of that apparently successful EV
            program you reference.

            Please note that I agree that what I posted was very well-written, but
            it was not written by me. I was passing it on from Doug Korthoff's
            mailing list. His web page is here:

            http://www.drivingthefuture.com/

            I believe you can join his mailing list and his yahoo group. He is
            the first person who ever gave me a ride in an EV and is very ardent
            about promoting EVs and discussing them and not letting the issue die,
            as the opponents of EVs would have it.




            On Wed, 5 May 2004 01:38:27 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

            >Well written MURDOCH,
            >
            >This is why I say lets get the bull by the horns...us the meek.
            >
            >Check out www.treffpunktzukunft.com
            >
            >Site in german but if you brouze a bit anyone can get the gist of the potential of this EV..
            >Lead acid batteries can propell a small EV at 120kmh for 120km.
            >Company had to refrain from production and now is selling EV as patent /under license to interested parties.
            >
            >The problem is that the car manufacturing companies keep promissing high tech (illusive) EV that they do not want to materialize for a number of reasons.
            >Mainly because as long as they keep promissing they keep to benefit from governemental funding.
            >
            >So, please do not think that I am in any way biased as regards to the EV I refere to. It is simply that there are some 140 units on the road which I have tested personally.
            >Lead acid batteries are here and cheap. NOW.
            >The EV works and has been on the roads of Germany for more that 7 years.
            >
            >BUT production was halted some 3 years ago due to pressure from car makers there.
            >
            >Thank you
            >MG
            >
            >
            >murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote:
            >On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:24:45 -0700, Doug Korthof <doug@...>
            >wrote:
            >
            >Hi,
            >Is it a time of "oil emergency" supposedly severe enough to
            >justify environmental waivers and foreign wars? The need for
            >oil is supposedly to keep our economy running, a national security
            >issue. But is it really so?
            >
            >If it were a real emergency, as in WW-II, there would be a crash
            >program of building Electric Cars. Mass production techniques
            >would drive the cost of a 120 mile range EV down below $8000.
            >
            >But if it's really a way to avoid losing lives of our troops,
            >and dis-entangling ourselves from the messy politics of the
            >middle east, surely it would be cost-effective to give them away
            >for free.
            >
            >Powering such an EV can be done with off-peak electric; for those
            >in sunny climes, a crash program of solar rooftop electric will
            >enable people to live COST FREE as well as (essentially) OIL-FREE.
            >
            >80% of our gasoline is expended on round trips from our homes of
            >80 miles or less. If just half of those "runabout" cars were
            >replaced with "national emergency" Electric Cars, we would
            >NOT NEED TO IMPORT OVERSEAS OIL. That's right, domestic and
            >other North American supplies would suffice. How many Electric
            >Cars would this take? Let's say 30 million. At a cost of $240B,
            >that would be less than this year's bill for blowing up Iraq, not
            >to mention all the other troops and expenses that protect foreign
            >oil and cater to the whims of oil dictators.
            >
            >Basically, an EV1 electric car using simple lead-acid recyclable
            >batteries goes 110 miles on the energy equivalent of a half-gallon
            >of gasoline. The average gas car travels about 10 miles on
            >the same quantity of gasoline.
            >
            >Hence, we would cut our energy bill by 90% by going to EVs.
            >It would be no smog, and no foreign wars. All we have to
            >do is show the will, the national commitment. It is possible,
            >even necessary, but without leadership, it won't happen.
            >
            >---------------------------------------------------------
            >
            >First day driving the ACPropulsion car
            >
            >The AC-150 is the name of the motor-controller-charger unit which is
            >the heart of the EV. Just add batteries and ergonomic controls, and
            >you have an EV that rocks!
            >
            >I am fortunate enough to be driving a vehicle made by
            >http://ACPropulsion.com This "AC-150" (until it gets a name) is the
            >successor vehicle to the EV1 and uses even more advanced technology.
            >
            >But it is not as polished as you would expect from a production
            >vehicle, it's more like a drag racer.
            >
            >There are 8 "bars of power", and a hefty reserve under that. I am
            >trying to coddle the new batteries, which are about half as good as
            >the Panasonic lead-acid batteries on the old 1997 EV1. This car is
            >almost like being thrown back in time to the 1997 EV1 with the
            >allegedly defective Delco batteries, which had only 60-70 miles
            >range. An EV is no better than its batteries, and GM seems to have
            >sabotaged the original EV1.
            >
            >Restraint lasts only up to the freeway entrance, as a big pickup
            >truck starts eating my extension cord. Of course, it disappears in
            >the electron cloud as I crank up the power just a tiny bit, swooping
            >onto the freeway. Not easy to restrain the power, when there is so
            >much. But these first few outing are just for cycling the batteries.
            >
            >One of the neatest features is a slide control for the regenerative
            >braking. Push it up, you are all coast; pull it down, you are 100%
            >regen. This brings the car to a stop very fast, so you don't need
            >much brake; on the other hand, don't pull your foot off the pedal
            >too fast! Other neat features including variable charging and cruise
            >control.
            >
            >On the 57 fwy north, wave and beep at a Prius "hybrid" in lane 3.
            >For some reason, he is only going 55. We want to encourage people to
            >associate Prius with electric car. Some day, the oil companies will
            >allow hybrids that can be plugged in. Meanwhile, this is the same
            >tactic, in reverse, that was used by the Oilies: they put out
            >hybrids, and when people saw our EV1, they thought it was a hybrid!
            >Because that's all that was permitted to be advertised!
            >
            >The greatest thing about this AC-150 is the similarity to the
            >vanished EV1, although it is a tad heavier. Is that why GM is
            >carefully destroying all the light-weight EV1 bodies in a mass
            >grave somewhere?
            >
            >When GM destroyed ALL the EV1 they confiscated so far, they only
            >pulled the batteries and tires. ALL the motors, controllers, and
            >the light-weight, marvelously aerodynamic bodies were nibbled and
            >destroyed. If they were interested in asset recovery, they would
            >sell the parts for a profit, or let people buy the car for a
            >souvenir: instead, they go to great lengths to make sure that all
            >its parts are destroyed.
            >
            >At SCAQMD, one lone, scared EV1 was hunched over its charging
            >cord, as if knowing that its days were numbered.
            >
            >A security guard came up and said, "...no one wants
            >those, they don't make them any more...". I guess this copy would
            >fetch $50,000 cash on the barrel head, if GM were not going to
            >vindictively destroy it. I offered the guy $30k for the car, but he
            >said he could not deliver it. Still, he'll probably continue to
            >believe "nobody wants them".
            >
            >The fast charger yieds 4 bars of power (there are 8 total) in about
            >20 minutes. The EV1 is limited to charging on the magnecharger.
            >The "AC-150" can charge from the fast charging connector (50A) or
            >the Avcon (29A) or normal 120 (29A).
            >
            >Making the transition to the 57 north, it was fun to swoop past a
            >corvette, who shut down in despair. The AC-150 went about 60-65,
            >with the cruise control, until the jam-up.
            >
            >We decide to head north to the source, AC Propulsion offices. I
            >behave until hitting the 57 entrance on Sunset Crossing, zooming out
            >in front of all slow traffic. This car reminds me of the EV1, when
            >you always leave the pack in the dust. Even with the RAV4-EV, you
            >can usually be in front. With this car, you can stay in front of
            >any car, if you so choose, and not using too much power either. The
            >slow mustang in front of me paused, confused by merging with a
            >truck. Cars were crowding us, but the EV merged around it all,
            >flowing smoothly into the lane 2 traffic pattern.
            >
            >Arriving at ACpropulsion with 3 bars of power (out of 8). Inside
            >this building is the source of the most advanced EV technology in
            >the world. No one can equal the power and convenience of the AC-150,
            >which forms the heart of the EV, and certainly no once can equal its
            >performance. They are rumored to be working on Lithium battery packs
            >that contain almost 5 times the juice of the car I am driving, and
            >weighs only half as much as the 28 cruddy batteries that are in it
            >now. What performance this car would have, with that kind of
            >batteries! ACP is also supposed to be converting a Scion to an EV. I
            >wonder how much they have to cut out, where they put the batteries,
            >how they hook it up to the transaxle. I hear the Scion transaxle is
            >the transmission, so it probably takes some engineering.
            >
            >Then there is the legendary T-Zero. With the latest version of the
            >AC-150 (reputedly called "gen II") and new batteries, it goes 0 to
            >60 in 3.6 seconds and goes up to 300 miles on a charge.
            >
            >Total trip was 90 miles, using appx. 13-14 bars of power. This means
            >about 6-7 miles per bar, or a range of 48-56 miles for the 8 bars of
            >power on the dash. In addition, there is a big reserve, but I am
            >keeping the batteries mostly full during the break-in period, and
            >this was just the first freeway excursion.
            >
            >http://ev1.org/ac150 for pictures
            >
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            >http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/electric_vehicles_for_sale
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          • James Wilson
            Well said. This world will be using something besides gasoline engines in under or at most 30years, If I did my figures correct,& the amount of known crede
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              Well said. This world will be using something besides
              gasoline engines in under or at most 30years, If I did
              my figures correct,& the amount of known crede
              reported is correct. I'm only 63,so I might live to
              see mostly EV's on the road.I have read, that Roudolpy
              Diesel,was working on a way for the farmer's,to raise
              thier own fuel,when he invented the Diesel Cycle
              Engine. I recall a talk that my brother in law,& I had
              in the 60's, about Front Wheel Drive. I said it would
              be the way the auto industry would go,for the large
              part. He didn't think so. We had very few Radial tires
              at the time,that made a big difference. Regards to
              all. JW

              --- manuel grimaud <medman9it@...> wrote:
              > Well written MURDOCH,
              >
              > This is why I say lets get the bull by the
              > horns...us the meek.
              >
              > Check out www.treffpunktzukunft.com
              >
              > Site in german but if you brouze a bit anyone can
              > get the gist of the potential of this EV..
              > Lead acid batteries can propell a small EV at 120kmh
              > for 120km.
              > Company had to refrain from production and now is
              > selling EV as patent /under license to interested
              > parties.
              >
              > The problem is that the car manufacturing companies
              > keep promissing high tech (illusive) EV that they do
              > not want to materialize for a number of reasons.
              > Mainly because as long as they keep promissing they
              > keep to benefit from governemental funding.
              >
              > So, please do not think that I am in any way biased
              > as regards to the EV I refere to. It is simply that
              > there are some 140 units on the road which I have
              > tested personally.
              > Lead acid batteries are here and cheap. NOW.
              > The EV works and has been on the roads of Germany
              > for more that 7 years.
              >
              > BUT production was halted some 3 years ago due to
              > pressure from car makers there.
              >
              > Thank you
              > MG
              >
              >
              >




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