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2126Re: [evworld] (fwd) (fwd) First day driving the ACPropulsion car

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  • murdoch
    May 5, 2004
      Thanks for this post. I am always particularly keen to get the
      lowdown as to what is going on outside of the U.S. on this front. The
      U.S. is very committed to Oil use, and I am always hopeful that other
      areas will really show us a thing or two.

      I'm sorry to hear of the stopping of that apparently successful EV
      program you reference.

      Please note that I agree that what I posted was very well-written, but
      it was not written by me. I was passing it on from Doug Korthoff's
      mailing list. His web page is here:


      I believe you can join his mailing list and his yahoo group. He is
      the first person who ever gave me a ride in an EV and is very ardent
      about promoting EVs and discussing them and not letting the issue die,
      as the opponents of EVs would have it.

      On Wed, 5 May 2004 01:38:27 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

      >Well written MURDOCH,
      >This is why I say lets get the bull by the horns...us the meek.
      >Check out www.treffpunktzukunft.com
      >Site in german but if you brouze a bit anyone can get the gist of the potential of this EV..
      >Lead acid batteries can propell a small EV at 120kmh for 120km.
      >Company had to refrain from production and now is selling EV as patent /under license to interested parties.
      >The problem is that the car manufacturing companies keep promissing high tech (illusive) EV that they do not want to materialize for a number of reasons.
      >Mainly because as long as they keep promissing they keep to benefit from governemental funding.
      >So, please do not think that I am in any way biased as regards to the EV I refere to. It is simply that there are some 140 units on the road which I have tested personally.
      >Lead acid batteries are here and cheap. NOW.
      >The EV works and has been on the roads of Germany for more that 7 years.
      >BUT production was halted some 3 years ago due to pressure from car makers there.
      >Thank you
      >murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote:
      >On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:24:45 -0700, Doug Korthof <doug@...>
      >Is it a time of "oil emergency" supposedly severe enough to
      >justify environmental waivers and foreign wars? The need for
      >oil is supposedly to keep our economy running, a national security
      >issue. But is it really so?
      >If it were a real emergency, as in WW-II, there would be a crash
      >program of building Electric Cars. Mass production techniques
      >would drive the cost of a 120 mile range EV down below $8000.
      >But if it's really a way to avoid losing lives of our troops,
      >and dis-entangling ourselves from the messy politics of the
      >middle east, surely it would be cost-effective to give them away
      >for free.
      >Powering such an EV can be done with off-peak electric; for those
      >in sunny climes, a crash program of solar rooftop electric will
      >enable people to live COST FREE as well as (essentially) OIL-FREE.
      >80% of our gasoline is expended on round trips from our homes of
      >80 miles or less. If just half of those "runabout" cars were
      >replaced with "national emergency" Electric Cars, we would
      >NOT NEED TO IMPORT OVERSEAS OIL. That's right, domestic and
      >other North American supplies would suffice. How many Electric
      >Cars would this take? Let's say 30 million. At a cost of $240B,
      >that would be less than this year's bill for blowing up Iraq, not
      >to mention all the other troops and expenses that protect foreign
      >oil and cater to the whims of oil dictators.
      >Basically, an EV1 electric car using simple lead-acid recyclable
      >batteries goes 110 miles on the energy equivalent of a half-gallon
      >of gasoline. The average gas car travels about 10 miles on
      >the same quantity of gasoline.
      >Hence, we would cut our energy bill by 90% by going to EVs.
      >It would be no smog, and no foreign wars. All we have to
      >do is show the will, the national commitment. It is possible,
      >even necessary, but without leadership, it won't happen.
      >First day driving the ACPropulsion car
      >The AC-150 is the name of the motor-controller-charger unit which is
      >the heart of the EV. Just add batteries and ergonomic controls, and
      >you have an EV that rocks!
      >I am fortunate enough to be driving a vehicle made by
      >http://ACPropulsion.com This "AC-150" (until it gets a name) is the
      >successor vehicle to the EV1 and uses even more advanced technology.
      >But it is not as polished as you would expect from a production
      >vehicle, it's more like a drag racer.
      >There are 8 "bars of power", and a hefty reserve under that. I am
      >trying to coddle the new batteries, which are about half as good as
      >the Panasonic lead-acid batteries on the old 1997 EV1. This car is
      >almost like being thrown back in time to the 1997 EV1 with the
      >allegedly defective Delco batteries, which had only 60-70 miles
      >range. An EV is no better than its batteries, and GM seems to have
      >sabotaged the original EV1.
      >Restraint lasts only up to the freeway entrance, as a big pickup
      >truck starts eating my extension cord. Of course, it disappears in
      >the electron cloud as I crank up the power just a tiny bit, swooping
      >onto the freeway. Not easy to restrain the power, when there is so
      >much. But these first few outing are just for cycling the batteries.
      >One of the neatest features is a slide control for the regenerative
      >braking. Push it up, you are all coast; pull it down, you are 100%
      >regen. This brings the car to a stop very fast, so you don't need
      >much brake; on the other hand, don't pull your foot off the pedal
      >too fast! Other neat features including variable charging and cruise
      >On the 57 fwy north, wave and beep at a Prius "hybrid" in lane 3.
      >For some reason, he is only going 55. We want to encourage people to
      >associate Prius with electric car. Some day, the oil companies will
      >allow hybrids that can be plugged in. Meanwhile, this is the same
      >tactic, in reverse, that was used by the Oilies: they put out
      >hybrids, and when people saw our EV1, they thought it was a hybrid!
      >Because that's all that was permitted to be advertised!
      >The greatest thing about this AC-150 is the similarity to the
      >vanished EV1, although it is a tad heavier. Is that why GM is
      >carefully destroying all the light-weight EV1 bodies in a mass
      >grave somewhere?
      >When GM destroyed ALL the EV1 they confiscated so far, they only
      >pulled the batteries and tires. ALL the motors, controllers, and
      >the light-weight, marvelously aerodynamic bodies were nibbled and
      >destroyed. If they were interested in asset recovery, they would
      >sell the parts for a profit, or let people buy the car for a
      >souvenir: instead, they go to great lengths to make sure that all
      >its parts are destroyed.
      >At SCAQMD, one lone, scared EV1 was hunched over its charging
      >cord, as if knowing that its days were numbered.
      >A security guard came up and said, "...no one wants
      >those, they don't make them any more...". I guess this copy would
      >fetch $50,000 cash on the barrel head, if GM were not going to
      >vindictively destroy it. I offered the guy $30k for the car, but he
      >said he could not deliver it. Still, he'll probably continue to
      >believe "nobody wants them".
      >The fast charger yieds 4 bars of power (there are 8 total) in about
      >20 minutes. The EV1 is limited to charging on the magnecharger.
      >The "AC-150" can charge from the fast charging connector (50A) or
      >the Avcon (29A) or normal 120 (29A).
      >Making the transition to the 57 north, it was fun to swoop past a
      >corvette, who shut down in despair. The AC-150 went about 60-65,
      >with the cruise control, until the jam-up.
      >We decide to head north to the source, AC Propulsion offices. I
      >behave until hitting the 57 entrance on Sunset Crossing, zooming out
      >in front of all slow traffic. This car reminds me of the EV1, when
      >you always leave the pack in the dust. Even with the RAV4-EV, you
      >can usually be in front. With this car, you can stay in front of
      >any car, if you so choose, and not using too much power either. The
      >slow mustang in front of me paused, confused by merging with a
      >truck. Cars were crowding us, but the EV merged around it all,
      >flowing smoothly into the lane 2 traffic pattern.
      >Arriving at ACpropulsion with 3 bars of power (out of 8). Inside
      >this building is the source of the most advanced EV technology in
      >the world. No one can equal the power and convenience of the AC-150,
      >which forms the heart of the EV, and certainly no once can equal its
      >performance. They are rumored to be working on Lithium battery packs
      >that contain almost 5 times the juice of the car I am driving, and
      >weighs only half as much as the 28 cruddy batteries that are in it
      >now. What performance this car would have, with that kind of
      >batteries! ACP is also supposed to be converting a Scion to an EV. I
      >wonder how much they have to cut out, where they put the batteries,
      >how they hook it up to the transaxle. I hear the Scion transaxle is
      >the transmission, so it probably takes some engineering.
      >Then there is the legendary T-Zero. With the latest version of the
      >AC-150 (reputedly called "gen II") and new batteries, it goes 0 to
      >60 in 3.6 seconds and goes up to 300 miles on a charge.
      >Total trip was 90 miles, using appx. 13-14 bars of power. This means
      >about 6-7 miles per bar, or a range of 48-56 miles for the 8 bars of
      >power on the dash. In addition, there is a big reserve, but I am
      >keeping the batteries mostly full during the break-in period, and
      >this was just the first freeway excursion.
      >http://ev1.org/ac150 for pictures
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