2126Re: [evworld] (fwd) (fwd) First day driving the ACPropulsion car
- May 5, 2004Thanks for this post. I am always particularly keen to get the
lowdown as to what is going on outside of the U.S. on this front. The
U.S. is very committed to Oil use, and I am always hopeful that other
areas will really show us a thing or two.
I'm sorry to hear of the stopping of that apparently successful EV
program you reference.
Please note that I agree that what I posted was very well-written, but
it was not written by me. I was passing it on from Doug Korthoff's
mailing list. His web page is here:
I believe you can join his mailing list and his yahoo group. He is
the first person who ever gave me a ride in an EV and is very ardent
about promoting EVs and discussing them and not letting the issue die,
as the opponents of EVs would have it.
On Wed, 5 May 2004 01:38:27 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>Well written MURDOCH,
>This is why I say lets get the bull by the horns...us the meek.
>Check out www.treffpunktzukunft.com
>Site in german but if you brouze a bit anyone can get the gist of the potential of this EV..
>Lead acid batteries can propell a small EV at 120kmh for 120km.
>Company had to refrain from production and now is selling EV as patent /under license to interested parties.
>The problem is that the car manufacturing companies keep promissing high tech (illusive) EV that they do not want to materialize for a number of reasons.
>Mainly because as long as they keep promissing they keep to benefit from governemental funding.
>So, please do not think that I am in any way biased as regards to the EV I refere to. It is simply that there are some 140 units on the road which I have tested personally.
>Lead acid batteries are here and cheap. NOW.
>The EV works and has been on the roads of Germany for more that 7 years.
>BUT production was halted some 3 years ago due to pressure from car makers there.
>murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote:
>On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:24:45 -0700, Doug Korthof <doug@...>
>Is it a time of "oil emergency" supposedly severe enough to
>justify environmental waivers and foreign wars? The need for
>oil is supposedly to keep our economy running, a national security
>issue. But is it really so?
>If it were a real emergency, as in WW-II, there would be a crash
>program of building Electric Cars. Mass production techniques
>would drive the cost of a 120 mile range EV down below $8000.
>But if it's really a way to avoid losing lives of our troops,
>and dis-entangling ourselves from the messy politics of the
>middle east, surely it would be cost-effective to give them away
>Powering such an EV can be done with off-peak electric; for those
>in sunny climes, a crash program of solar rooftop electric will
>enable people to live COST FREE as well as (essentially) OIL-FREE.
>80% of our gasoline is expended on round trips from our homes of
>80 miles or less. If just half of those "runabout" cars were
>replaced with "national emergency" Electric Cars, we would
>NOT NEED TO IMPORT OVERSEAS OIL. That's right, domestic and
>other North American supplies would suffice. How many Electric
>Cars would this take? Let's say 30 million. At a cost of $240B,
>that would be less than this year's bill for blowing up Iraq, not
>to mention all the other troops and expenses that protect foreign
>oil and cater to the whims of oil dictators.
>Basically, an EV1 electric car using simple lead-acid recyclable
>batteries goes 110 miles on the energy equivalent of a half-gallon
>of gasoline. The average gas car travels about 10 miles on
>the same quantity of gasoline.
>Hence, we would cut our energy bill by 90% by going to EVs.
>It would be no smog, and no foreign wars. All we have to
>do is show the will, the national commitment. It is possible,
>even necessary, but without leadership, it won't happen.
>First day driving the ACPropulsion car
>The AC-150 is the name of the motor-controller-charger unit which is
>the heart of the EV. Just add batteries and ergonomic controls, and
>you have an EV that rocks!
>I am fortunate enough to be driving a vehicle made by
>http://ACPropulsion.com This "AC-150" (until it gets a name) is the
>successor vehicle to the EV1 and uses even more advanced technology.
>But it is not as polished as you would expect from a production
>vehicle, it's more like a drag racer.
>There are 8 "bars of power", and a hefty reserve under that. I am
>trying to coddle the new batteries, which are about half as good as
>the Panasonic lead-acid batteries on the old 1997 EV1. This car is
>almost like being thrown back in time to the 1997 EV1 with the
>allegedly defective Delco batteries, which had only 60-70 miles
>range. An EV is no better than its batteries, and GM seems to have
>sabotaged the original EV1.
>Restraint lasts only up to the freeway entrance, as a big pickup
>truck starts eating my extension cord. Of course, it disappears in
>the electron cloud as I crank up the power just a tiny bit, swooping
>onto the freeway. Not easy to restrain the power, when there is so
>much. But these first few outing are just for cycling the batteries.
>One of the neatest features is a slide control for the regenerative
>braking. Push it up, you are all coast; pull it down, you are 100%
>regen. This brings the car to a stop very fast, so you don't need
>much brake; on the other hand, don't pull your foot off the pedal
>too fast! Other neat features including variable charging and cruise
>On the 57 fwy north, wave and beep at a Prius "hybrid" in lane 3.
>For some reason, he is only going 55. We want to encourage people to
>associate Prius with electric car. Some day, the oil companies will
>allow hybrids that can be plugged in. Meanwhile, this is the same
>tactic, in reverse, that was used by the Oilies: they put out
>hybrids, and when people saw our EV1, they thought it was a hybrid!
>Because that's all that was permitted to be advertised!
>The greatest thing about this AC-150 is the similarity to the
>vanished EV1, although it is a tad heavier. Is that why GM is
>carefully destroying all the light-weight EV1 bodies in a mass
>When GM destroyed ALL the EV1 they confiscated so far, they only
>pulled the batteries and tires. ALL the motors, controllers, and
>the light-weight, marvelously aerodynamic bodies were nibbled and
>destroyed. If they were interested in asset recovery, they would
>sell the parts for a profit, or let people buy the car for a
>souvenir: instead, they go to great lengths to make sure that all
>its parts are destroyed.
>At SCAQMD, one lone, scared EV1 was hunched over its charging
>cord, as if knowing that its days were numbered.
>A security guard came up and said, "...no one wants
>those, they don't make them any more...". I guess this copy would
>fetch $50,000 cash on the barrel head, if GM were not going to
>vindictively destroy it. I offered the guy $30k for the car, but he
>said he could not deliver it. Still, he'll probably continue to
>believe "nobody wants them".
>The fast charger yieds 4 bars of power (there are 8 total) in about
>20 minutes. The EV1 is limited to charging on the magnecharger.
>The "AC-150" can charge from the fast charging connector (50A) or
>the Avcon (29A) or normal 120 (29A).
>Making the transition to the 57 north, it was fun to swoop past a
>corvette, who shut down in despair. The AC-150 went about 60-65,
>with the cruise control, until the jam-up.
>We decide to head north to the source, AC Propulsion offices. I
>behave until hitting the 57 entrance on Sunset Crossing, zooming out
>in front of all slow traffic. This car reminds me of the EV1, when
>you always leave the pack in the dust. Even with the RAV4-EV, you
>can usually be in front. With this car, you can stay in front of
>any car, if you so choose, and not using too much power either. The
>slow mustang in front of me paused, confused by merging with a
>truck. Cars were crowding us, but the EV merged around it all,
>flowing smoothly into the lane 2 traffic pattern.
>Arriving at ACpropulsion with 3 bars of power (out of 8). Inside
>this building is the source of the most advanced EV technology in
>the world. No one can equal the power and convenience of the AC-150,
>which forms the heart of the EV, and certainly no once can equal its
>performance. They are rumored to be working on Lithium battery packs
>that contain almost 5 times the juice of the car I am driving, and
>weighs only half as much as the 28 cruddy batteries that are in it
>now. What performance this car would have, with that kind of
>batteries! ACP is also supposed to be converting a Scion to an EV. I
>wonder how much they have to cut out, where they put the batteries,
>how they hook it up to the transaxle. I hear the Scion transaxle is
>the transmission, so it probably takes some engineering.
>Then there is the legendary T-Zero. With the latest version of the
>AC-150 (reputedly called "gen II") and new batteries, it goes 0 to
>60 in 3.6 seconds and goes up to 300 miles on a charge.
>Total trip was 90 miles, using appx. 13-14 bars of power. This means
>about 6-7 miles per bar, or a range of 48-56 miles for the 8 bars of
>power on the dash. In addition, there is a big reserve, but I am
>keeping the batteries mostly full during the break-in period, and
>this was just the first freeway excursion.
>http://ev1.org/ac150 for pictures
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