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Re: [furt-l] 1943 Beethoven Ninth

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  • Lee Schipper
    Ill let othes take this. I still have my Soviet-era MK black vinyl disks! ... * POSTED to furt-l - the Furtwangler Mailing List * Send new posts to
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      Ill let othes take this. I still have my Soviet-era MK black vinyl disks!

      danel sibota wrote:

      > I made one of my usual illogical jumps from one thing to another. I do
      > mean the '42 Berlin.
      > Thanks for the tip on a reliable Stockholm performance.
      > DS
      >
      >
      >> From: Lee Schipper <schipper@...>
      >> Reply-To: furt-l@...
      >> To: furt-l@...
      >> Subject: Re: [furt-l] 1943 Beethoven Ninth
      >> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:03:15 +0800
      >>
      >> do you meabn '42 Berlin or '43 Stockholm. Music and Arts had the
      >> '43 Stockholm a while ago.
      >>
      >> danel sibota wrote:
      >>
      >>> Lee and Jon,
      >>> Thanks for your responses. I listened to the "1943" performance
      >>> again, comparing it with the 1951 Bayreuth; the bass soloist in both
      >>> is Edelmann; he sings "O Freunde, nicht diese tone" (sorry for
      >>> missing umlaut) almost exactly the same. He is also nicely balanced
      >>> at the end, unlike the Stockholm balancing mentioned by Jon.
      >>> I also listened more carefully to the "Froh, wie seine Sonnen
      >>> fliegen..." and the voice is definitely Patzak's. I had assumed
      >>> that the date was correct and the soloits wrong,so I wasn't
      >>> listening for the Patzak sound.
      >>> Although I'm not a Seefried expert, the soprano is certainly
      >>> characterful enough to be her.
      >>> So the "Aura" performance has the correct soloists, but wrong date;
      >>> it's most likely the Vienna, 1951 perfornance.
      >>> While I'm at it, does anyone know the best label on which to
      >>> purchase the 1942 performance of the 9th?
      >>> Thanks,
      >>> DS
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>> From: Lee Schipper <schipper@...>
      >>>> Reply-To: furt-l@...
      >>>> To: furt-l@...
      >>>> Subject: Re: [furt-l] 1943 Beethoven Ninth
      >>>> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:01:51 +0800
      >>>>
      >>>> Swedeish radio provided me a 15 ips copy for broadcast 30 years
      >>>> ago, so I can check for lacunae. The Music and Arts issue is
      >>>> genuine....
      >>>>
      >>>> Jon Krueger wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>>> Hi-
      >>>>>
      >>>>> The 1943 Beethoven 9th from Stockholm was recorded
      >>>>> onto acetate disks. There should be occasional disk
      >>>>> noise. Also, the bass soloist, Sigurd Boerling, if my
      >>>>> memory serves, sounds like he is right on top of the
      >>>>> mike in some editions during the closing 5 minutes.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Hope this helps!
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Jon Krueger
      >>>>>
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