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  • Hue Walker Bumgarner-Kirby
    yes yes yes! Our domes are story telling (I use the term VERY loosely... just because we include a temporal element) spaces which, in a way, predate the
    Message 1 of 15 , Aug 31, 2006
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      yes yes yes!

      Our domes are"story telling" (I use the term VERY loosely... just because we
      include a temporal element) spaces which, in a way, predate the frame...
      these spaces relate more to the campfire... and the dream... and what
      happens in our heads when we "hear" a story or an idea or a description of a
      place or an experience... the way we build ourselves into such a mental
      image...

      I like to think of our domes as magical cauldrons... or as the outer
      extension of our craniums... I look up into my empty dome and in a very
      visceral way I "feel" the underside of the top of my skull filling with the
      ideas I want to see on the dome...

      and I really believe that we are not just inventing... but RE-inventing how
      to tell a story (or poem, or idea, or exeprience)... getting back in touch
      with the pre-frame imagination...

      hue

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      Hue Walker Bumgarner-Kirby
      Multi Media Development Specialist
      ARTS Lab
      University of New Mexico
    • Erik Roberts
      ... Hi Hue, so helpful to have these glimpses of how you think about designing / producing for the dome - these are wonderful analogies and your idea that
      Message 2 of 15 , Aug 31, 2006
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        > .. getting back in touch
        > with the pre-frame imagination...

        > domes as magical cauldrons... or as the outer
        > extension of our craniums...

        > spaces which, in a way, predate the frame..

        > the campfire... and the dream

        > .. I look up into my empty dome and in a very visceral
        > way I "feel" the underside of the top of my skull filling
        > with the ideas

        Hi Hue, so helpful to have these glimpses of how you think
        about designing / producing for the dome - these are
        wonderful analogies and your idea that painting, theatre,
        photography, and cinema have taught us to see and think
        within the box frame is brilliant - can I please quote you?
        This raises very interesting theoretical issues, doesn't
        it, as well as pointing to a uniquely intimate way of
        working that you, Pip, Don and others are pioneering -
        almost like listening to the dome and letting it tell you
        what it wants. Using this "visceral" approach of yours
        there is every likelihood that people who see your work
        will feel that connection you have with the medium and be
        transported just as you want them to be - does this make
        sense? It's all about empathy, (with the medium's form -
        it's distinctive nature) is that what you are saying?

        It's interesting because what you are hinting at is that
        the planetarium theatre is like a giant "brain-womb" and
        full-dome experience can engage / evoke ancestral memories
        - affinities with nature we have forgotten that we have???
        Could you correct me here, or say a little more - you have
        me most intrigued... (also, the analogy between the dome
        and the brain suggests that it would make a natural subject
        for a full-dome show - sure to be some funding somewhere.
        Has it already been done? The prelude to Astronaut suggest
        how exciting it could be.) I'm sure it would help everyone
        to understand how the creative mind conceives, immersively
        speaking, for this fertile new medium.

        Thanks, Hue.

        cameraderie
      • Hue Walker Bumgarner-Kirby
        can I please quote you? ... I d be honored... thanks erik pioneering - almost like listening to the dome and letting it tell you what it wants. Using this
        Message 3 of 15 , Sep 1, 2006
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          "can I please quote you?"... I'd be honored... thanks erik

          "pioneering - almost like listening to the dome and letting it tell you what
          it wants. Using this "visceral" approach of yours there is every likelihood
          that people who see your work will feel that connection you have with the
          medium and be transported just as you want them to be - does this make
          sense? It's all about empathy, "

          absolutely... I always start with an idea... but the dome very quickly takes
          over and leads the project in and through... suggesting, surprising,
          refusing, rolling around to a different view... (paper and canvas do the
          same thing...;-)

          and my only hope is that the viewers will connect on a visceral level and
          find their own stories within the images I present...

          "brain-womb"... I really like that...

          in fact... as I was walking to work this morning, I passed a garden I have
          been walking by for 20 years... and admiring... she has something I've never
          seen before this year... Hyacinth Beans... lovely, fragrant, stunningly
          beautiful vines covered with deep purple maroon pods and tendrils, and tiny
          violet pea flowers... as I walked on, I was imagining a dome piece... dark
          and dream-like, shimmering subtle colors, lots of transparency, glass-like
          surfaces... (think diatoms... gems... smoke tendrils)... a stylized human,
          head and hands, semi transparent, shimmering... the hands cup a Hyacinth
          bean tendril, sniffing the flowers, observing the pods, the shapes and
          colors and scents... and the brain, now visible thru the transparent skin,
          begins to collect the information...

          we then show, both thru brain activity (shimmering colors indicating degree
          of activity in the proper brain areas) and images (within the brain?
          surrounding the person? slipping over corresponding areas of the dome?)...

          the idea being to present the interior experience of encounter, association
          and memory... how when one encounters something like this plant, with it's
          scent and colors and shapes, and all the associations these can present in a
          human mind, there is a sequence set off in the brain... certain areas become
          active in certain orders as we experience the encounter.... areas to do with
          color, scent and shape recognition... memories, emotions, curiosity,
          learning....

          hiho... it was an interesting walk... glad I didn't encounter too much
          traffic in the next couple of crossings while I was away in dome land!...;-)

          yes... I'd love to see a "brain" -"dome" correlation...;-)

          --
          Hue Walker Bumgarner-Kirby
          Multi Media Development Specialist
          ARTS Lab
          University of New Mexico
        • Erik Roberts
          ... This is how (I m sure) most of the great directors - Sergei Eisenstein, Dziga Vertov, Orson Wells, Andrei Tarkovsky, Fellini (et al) worked - allowing the
          Message 4 of 15 , Sep 1, 2006
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            > absolutely... I always start with an idea... but the dome very
            > quickly takes over and leads the project in and through...
            > suggesting, surprising, refusing, rolling around to a different
            > view... (paper and canvas do the same thing...;-)

            This is how (I'm sure) most of the great directors - Sergei Eisenstein,
            Dziga Vertov, Orson Wells, Andrei Tarkovsky, Fellini (et al) worked -
            allowing the medium to dictate its own terms (rather than the cookie-
            cutter feature film production process of script to screen in the
            quickest possible time. The concept has to grow organically, as it were,
            if it's going to "entrain" (is that the right word?) the audience -
            entrancement is not "falling asleep" or a state of involuntary hypnosis
            but a state of being gripped by the enigmatic - it is a state of feeling
            most alive - wouldn't you agree? Like when you saw those vines.

            > as I walked on, I was imagining a dome piece... dark
            > and dream-like,

            The darkness (artificial night) corresponds to that primordial state
            you referred to in your previous post...

            > shimmering subtle colors, lots of transparency, glass-like
            > surfaces... (think diatoms... gems... smoke tendrils)...

            this translucency would work well as a method of shifting (gradually)
            between inner and outer p.o.v.... because that is the central problem -
            how to represent / depict two coexistent realities on the dome at the
            same time... it this correct?

            > a stylized human, head and hands, semi transparent, shimmering...
            > the hands cup a Hyacinth bean tendril, sniffing the flowers, observing
            > the pods, the shapes and colors and scents... and the brain, now
            > visible thru the transparent skin, begins to collect the information...

            Wow! The entire psycho-biological phenomenon of an ordinary event.
            This is what full-dome was invented for (as well as astronomy, of
            course, although, having said that, if it's true that we are all stardust,
            everything is astronomy-related - what is the human brian but the
            crowning achievement of the universe?)

            > we then show, both thru brain activity (shimmering colors indicating
            > degree of activity in the proper brain areas) and images (within the
            > brain? surrounding the person? slipping over corresponding areas
            > of the dome?)...

            There is a lot of good research data on brain behaviour during sleeping
            and dreaming - perhaps this could come into the story somehow - you
            could actually see the changing brain patterns over the 90 minute sleep
            cycle. The "plot" could be either a walk down the street or "a day in
            the life of a brain"... or you could do two short pieces - the brain
            awake and the brain asleep - like bookends.

            > the idea being to present the interior experience of encounter,
            > association and memory... how when one encounters something like this
            > plant, with it's scent and colors and shapes, and all the associations
            > these can present in a human mind, there is a sequence set off in the
            > brain... certain areas become active in certain orders as we
            > experience the encounter.... areas to do with color, scent and shape
            > recognition... memories, emotions, curiosity, learning....

            Apologies in advance if I wander off-topic... I guess I want to just say
            here that such an important topic requires us to ask - what does the
            average person want to know about themselves - about how their brain
            works - if this theme was handled well enough it could "fast-track"
            human potential in people who are predisposed to a deeper understanding
            of how life works. I'm thinking that if you got it right, Hue, it could
            be very enlightening - it would give people a new perception of
            themselves - like "Passport" did for me when I first saw it. You've hit
            on a full-dome subject that is screaming out to be done - even if it was
            only 5 - 10 minutes duration.

            Thank you for a stimulating reply.

            This link was recently sent to the iota forum - it is a well-written
            paper on "live cinema" and may have relevance to full-dome
            practitioners.
            http://www.rupture-online.net/04citaoic01.htm

            cameraderie
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