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Re: [fukuoka_farming] Re: What Should be in Seedballs?-fungi and others

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  • Dieter Brand
    Having planted or sown hundreds of different species in the last ten years, I have never used any inoculation whatsoever, certainly not for lupines or fabas,
    Message 1 of 7 , Dec 3, 2008
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      Having planted or sown hundreds of different species in the last ten
      years, I have never used any inoculation whatsoever, certainly not for
      lupines or fabas, even though these haven't been grown on this site
      for at least 40 years and the next garden is more than a mile away.

      Dieter


      On 12/3/08, Jeff <shultonus@...> wrote:
      >
      >> Inoculation with fungi is used in reforestation projects and
      >> inoculation with microbes is used in conventional agriculture. It
      >> stands to reason that inoculation with microbes or fungi may be
      > useful when the soil biology is being systematically destroyed by
      >> agrochemicals or when trees are to be planted on a parking lot. But
      >> that is normally not the case in Natural Farming. I'm not a
      >> biologist, but the way I understand it is that, in a biologically
      >> active soil, the necessary organisms (including microbes and fungi)
      >> will occur spontaneously when needed and that these organisms will
      >> multiply and thrive when conditions are right: sufficient humidity,
      >> air, the right temperature range and most importantly stuff to feed
      >> on. From which I conclude that rather than inoculating my soil (or
      >> seedballs) with fungi or microbes produced under laboratory
      > conditions at great expense it is preferable to create the right
      > environment for organisms to live in. Basically this means the return
      > of organic matter in whichever form proves to be most effective.
      >>
      > While it is true that a wide variety of fungus and other beneficial
      > microbes can and due appear spontaneously under the right conditions,
      > it is also true that some never will.....
      >
      > IE..
      > Most VAM fungus and ecto-mycorhyzal fungus will appear spontaneous--
      > this is actually due to pre innoculation of seeds via natural
      > dispersement, and the fact that these spores are long lived under
      > natural conditions and generally resilient to most chemicals being
      > applied (they stay dormant as spores instead of getting killed off)
      > the chemicals that absolutely will kill this off is of course
      > fungicides..... wine anyone?
      > this is basically true of beneficial bacterias as well...
      >
      > the best way to promote VAM btw is to simply grow plants that increase
      > VAM..
      >
      > However, most species specific symbiotic organisms fall into another
      > category....
      > they are typically short lived, and not wide spread, and may not be in
      > the local area, or even the bioregion.
      >
      > A couple of examples,
      > while peas and beans and garbanzos and soy have long histories of
      > cultivation, and basically any farm area will have the right bacteria
      > for innoculation...
      > other more rare ones like lupin, or lablab or faba (outside of
      > Asia)... may require intial site innocultion...
      > different groups of legumes actually have different species of
      > bacteria (something alot of people don't know)
      > .. typically infection drops 10%-20% per year without that crop being
      > used,, and bottoms out at about 10%...... innoiculation insures 100%
      > infection in most cases
      >
      > new to the area.. accacias and leucana (sp) would also require
      > innoculation ....
      >
      > pines, oaks (truffels anyone?), beeches... all have specific
      > beneficial microbes that don't exist outside of there habitat...
      >
      > in that case.. usually the best innoculant is simply using soil from
      > the area with this trees naturally, rather than being some laboratory
      > mix....
      > as many of this species aren't able be cultured in laboratory
      > conditions....
      > some of the innoculation are actualy harvest in the wild,, in a
      > damaging way (ie dig the plant up and scrape off the roots)....
      > caveat emptor.
      >
      > j
      >
      >
      >
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