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  • Rex Teague
    ... Thanks for the link but again the real reason for the website is marketing his books and services. Admittedly that s from a brief visit however after the
    Message 1 of 10 , Aug 9, 2002
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      On 6 Aug 02, souscayrous wrote:

      > I'm also in the process of researching reedbeds (amongst other
      > things) and would mention Art Ludwig's website
      > http://www.oasisdesign.net/index.htm for much excellent information
      > on greywater and its use.

      Thanks for the link but again the real reason for the website is
      marketing his books and services. Admittedly that's from a brief visit
      however after the amount of information I've sifted through my
      antenna for the essence is fairly well tuned. 8-)

      > Have you heard of Tom Watson's 'Watson Wick' system? It is simply a
      > gravel filled trench (sand is also possible) through which the
      > greywater and blackwater passes, feeding the trees you plant upon
      > this medium - which I think from your post is your ultimate
      > intention. I've seen a 'Watson Wick' working and it seemed to be
      > coping with the small domestic flows it was designed for,
      > certainly the trees were flourishing.

      Yes... my osier bed proposal will have a similar purpose.

      > Have you tried web searches using 'constructed wetland' (well, you
      > might not of thought of it! - though considering your usual
      > thoroughness when it comes to web links I doubt it). There have
      > also been email threads on the pc list about reed beds, you might
      > want to search their archives (I remember Robyn Francis has a
      > couple at her place).

      I have directed questions to Robyn on the [permaculture] list... they
      weren't answered. Lawrence London has one of his large compilation
      files specifically on "constructed wetlands".

      > Good Luck and let me know if you happen upon a particularly fruitful
      > source of information.

      Will do... Rex
    • Robert Monie
      Hello Rex, John Todd, who wrote the foreword to Toby Hemenway s Gaia s Garden, is an acknowledged master at using plants and microorganisms to break down
      Message 2 of 10 , Aug 10, 2002
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        Hello Rex,
        John Todd, who wrote the foreword to Toby Hemenway's "Gaia's Garden," is an acknowledged master at using plants and microorganisms to break down sewage and purify water. He and his wife Nancy have developed a system called "The Living Machine" that runs sewage and other wastes through a series of mini-ecospheres (housed in tubs) that eventually produces water clean enough for irrigation.
        Todd's methods are presented in two older books (now out of print): "Bioshelters, Ocean Arks, City Farming: Ecology as the Basis of Design," and "What Do We Use for Lifeboats when the Ship Goes Down? Conversations with Robert Reines, John Todd, Ian McHarg, Paolo Soleri, and Richard Saul Wurtman."
        His most recent book (still in print), co-authored with Nancy, is ""From Eco-Cities to Living Machines."
        Todd's approach works well enough to handle the entire Municipal Sewage Treatment Plant for city of Burlington, Vermont. He manages the citys sewage load without using chlorine or any other chemicals.
        His two web sites are http://www.oceanarks.org/ and http://www.livingmachines.com/ and he is amply represented on google.com under "John Todd, living machines."
        Todd has worked with several architects and designers, including Paolo Soleri and Maya Linn. Todd is an eloquent advocate of hydroponics systems, but, from his introduction to Gaia's Garden, one must conclude that he has some interest in permaculture/forest farming/ natural farming as well.
        Are you already familiar with Tood's Living Machines, Rex? I'd be interested in your opinion.
        Bob Monie
        Rex Teague wrote:On 6 Aug 02, souscayrous wrote:

        > I'm also in the process of researching reedbeds (amongst other
        > things) and would mention Art Ludwig's website
        > http://www.oasisdesign.net/index.htm for much excellent information
        > on greywater and its use.

        Thanks for the link but again the real reason for the website is
        marketing his books and services. Admittedly that's from a brief visit
        however after the amount of information I've sifted through my
        antenna for the essence is fairly well tuned. 8-)

        > Have you heard of Tom Watson's 'Watson Wick' system? It is simply a
        > gravel filled trench (sand is also possible) through which the
        > greywater and blackwater passes, feeding the trees you plant upon
        > this medium - which I think from your post is your ultimate
        > intention. I've seen a 'Watson Wick' working and it seemed to be
        > coping with the small domestic flows it was designed for,
        > certainly the trees were flourishing.

        Yes... my osier bed proposal will have a similar purpose.

        > Have you tried web searches using 'constructed wetland' (well, you
        > might not of thought of it! - though considering your usual
        > thoroughness when it comes to web links I doubt it). There have
        > also been email threads on the pc list about reed beds, you might
        > want to search their archives (I remember Robyn Francis has a
        > couple at her place).

        I have directed questions to Robyn on the [permaculture] list... they
        weren't answered. Lawrence London has one of his large compilation
        files specifically on "constructed wetlands".

        > Good Luck and let me know if you happen upon a particularly fruitful
        > source of information.

        Will do... Rex

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      • Tookie
        Hi Bob and Rex, There is also Dean Cameron who invented the Dowmus system widely used in Australia. He has taken that abit further and called it the Biolytix
        Message 3 of 10 , Aug 10, 2002
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          Hi Bob and Rex,

          There is also Dean Cameron who invented the Dowmus system widely used in
          Australia. He has taken that abit further and called it the Biolytix system
          http://www.biolytix.com/index.htm that is being used very successfully in
          many large develpments etc. We are bringing them on as consultants in our
          eco-village project and it is likely that we will use this entire system
          should our project get through council. In any case - their website is
          interesting as well.

          Tookie

          -----Original Message-----
          From: Robert Monie [mailto:bobm20001@...]
          Sent: Sunday, 11 August 2002 04:07
          To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [fukuoka_farming] Greywater Greenhouse



          Hello Rex,
          John Todd, who wrote the foreword to Toby Hemenway's "Gaia's Garden," is an
          acknowledged master at using plants and microorganisms to break down sewage
          and purify water. He and his wife Nancy have developed a system called "The
          Living Machine" that runs sewage and other wastes through a series of
          mini-ecospheres (housed in tubs) that eventually produces water clean enough
          for irrigation.
          Todd's methods are presented in two older books (now out of print):
          "Bioshelters, Ocean Arks, City Farming: Ecology as the Basis of Design," and
          "What Do We Use for Lifeboats when the Ship Goes Down? Conversations with
          Robert Reines, John Todd, Ian McHarg, Paolo Soleri, and Richard Saul
          Wurtman."
          His most recent book (still in print), co-authored with Nancy, is ""From
          Eco-Cities to Living Machines."
          Todd's approach works well enough to handle the entire Municipal Sewage
          Treatment Plant for city of Burlington, Vermont. He manages the citys
          sewage load without using chlorine or any other chemicals.
          His two web sites are http://www.oceanarks.org/ and
          http://www.livingmachines.com/ and he is amply represented on google.com
          under "John Todd, living machines."
          Todd has worked with several architects and designers, including Paolo
          Soleri and Maya Linn. Todd is an eloquent advocate of hydroponics systems,
          but, from his introduction to Gaia's Garden, one must conclude that he has
          some interest in permaculture/forest farming/ natural farming as well.
          Are you already familiar with Tood's Living Machines, Rex? I'd be
          interested in your opinion.
          Bob Monie
          Rex Teague wrote:On 6 Aug 02, souscayrous wrote:

          > I'm also in the process of researching reedbeds (amongst other
          > things) and would mention Art Ludwig's website
          > http://www.oasisdesign.net/index.htm for much excellent information
          > on greywater and its use.

          Thanks for the link but again the real reason for the website is
          marketing his books and services. Admittedly that's from a brief visit
          however after the amount of information I've sifted through my
          antenna for the essence is fairly well tuned. 8-)

          > Have you heard of Tom Watson's 'Watson Wick' system? It is simply a
          > gravel filled trench (sand is also possible) through which the
          > greywater and blackwater passes, feeding the trees you plant upon
          > this medium - which I think from your post is your ultimate
          > intention. I've seen a 'Watson Wick' working and it seemed to be
          > coping with the small domestic flows it was designed for,
          > certainly the trees were flourishing.

          Yes... my osier bed proposal will have a similar purpose.

          > Have you tried web searches using 'constructed wetland' (well, you
          > might not of thought of it! - though considering your usual
          > thoroughness when it comes to web links I doubt it). There have
          > also been email threads on the pc list about reed beds, you might
          > want to search their archives (I remember Robyn Francis has a
          > couple at her place).

          I have directed questions to Robyn on the [permaculture] list... they
          weren't answered. Lawrence London has one of his large compilation
          files specifically on "constructed wetlands".

          > Good Luck and let me know if you happen upon a particularly fruitful
          > source of information.

          Will do... Rex

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        • Wendy
          Hi Robert, I ve only glancing at the Todds work, but with the little I did felt, for me, that it might be a bit elaborate with machines and all. I m always
          Message 4 of 10 , Aug 24, 2002
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            Hi Robert,

            I've only glancing at the Todds' work, but with the little I did felt, for
            me, that it might be a bit elaborate with machines and all. I'm always
            looking toward simple, local, earth-based working with nature and its' laws
            but simple vs. elaborate. What do you think knowing their work better?
            take care,
            wendy
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            From: "Robert Monie" <bobm20001@...>
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            Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:06 AM
            Subject: RE: [fukuoka_farming] Greywater Greenhouse


            >
            > Hello Rex,
            > John Todd, who wrote the foreword to Toby Hemenway's "Gaia's Garden," is
            an acknowledged master at using plants and microorganisms to break down
            sewage and purify water. He and his wife Nancy have developed a system
            called "The Living Machine" that runs sewage and other wastes through a
            series of mini-ecospheres (housed in tubs) that eventually produces water
            clean enough for irrigation.
            > Todd's methods are presented in two older books (now out of print):
            "Bioshelters, Ocean Arks, City Farming: Ecology as the Basis of Design," and
            "What Do We Use for Lifeboats when the Ship Goes Down? Conversations with
            Robert Reines, John Todd, Ian McHarg, Paolo Soleri, and Richard Saul
            Wurtman."
            > His most recent book (still in print), co-authored with Nancy, is ""From
            Eco-Cities to Living Machines."
            > Todd's approach works well enough to handle the entire Municipal Sewage
            Treatment Plant for city of Burlington, Vermont. He manages the citys
            sewage load without using chlorine or any other chemicals.
            > His two web sites are http://www.oceanarks.org/ and
            http://www.livingmachines.com/ and he is amply represented on google.com
            under "John Todd, living machines."
            > Todd has worked with several architects and designers, including Paolo
            Soleri and Maya Linn. Todd is an eloquent advocate of hydroponics systems,
            but, from his introduction to Gaia's Garden, one must conclude that he has
            some interest in permaculture/forest farming/ natural farming as well.
            > Are you already familiar with Tood's Living Machines, Rex? I'd be
            interested in your opinion.
            > Bob Monie
            > Rex Teague wrote:On 6 Aug 02, souscayrous wrote:
            >
            > > I'm also in the process of researching reedbeds (amongst other
            > > things) and would mention Art Ludwig's website
            > > http://www.oasisdesign.net/index.htm for much excellent information
            > > on greywater and its use.
            >
            > Thanks for the link but again the real reason for the website is
            > marketing his books and services. Admittedly that's from a brief visit
            > however after the amount of information I've sifted through my
            > antenna for the essence is fairly well tuned. 8-)
            >
            > > Have you heard of Tom Watson's 'Watson Wick' system? It is simply a
            > > gravel filled trench (sand is also possible) through which the
            > > greywater and blackwater passes, feeding the trees you plant upon
            > > this medium - which I think from your post is your ultimate
            > > intention. I've seen a 'Watson Wick' working and it seemed to be
            > > coping with the small domestic flows it was designed for,
            > > certainly the trees were flourishing.
            >
            > Yes... my osier bed proposal will have a similar purpose.
            >
            > > Have you tried web searches using 'constructed wetland' (well, you
            > > might not of thought of it! - though considering your usual
            > > thoroughness when it comes to web links I doubt it). There have
            > > also been email threads on the pc list about reed beds, you might
            > > want to search their archives (I remember Robyn Francis has a
            > > couple at her place).
            >
            > I have directed questions to Robyn on the [permaculture] list... they
            > weren't answered. Lawrence London has one of his large compilation
            > files specifically on "constructed wetlands".
            >
            > > Good Luck and let me know if you happen upon a particularly fruitful
            > > source of information.
            >
            > Will do... Rex
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