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Re: Natural Farming for a Living

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  • Lee
    Linda and Kiko, I would like to thank both of you for replying to my post. I would also like to thank anyone else that read my long thread. Yes, it is too
    Message 1 of 92 , Jul 16, 2008
      Linda and Kiko, I would like to thank both of you for
      replying to my post. I would also like to thank anyone else that
      read my long thread. Yes, it is too long, sorry.

      Kiko, thanks for mentioning Joel Salatin. I've actually read one of
      his books, pastured poultry. I also have his other books saved on my
      wishlist. I'm also glad to hear from a guy that has the same dream.

      Linda, thanks for reminding me of the importance of waiting for a
      mate that has the same ideals concerning money and material things.
      You are right. I've been aware of the importance of this, but I've
      considered waivering and weakening on my dreams of simplicity for a
      slightly more mainstream life. I realize that I should not do that.
      I would be compromising my beliefs if I did so. Also, I do plan to
      read some books on permaculture. I have some of Toby Hemingway's
      books on my wishlist, as well as books by Bill Mollison and other
      authors. I am also interested in taking a permaculture course. It
      may be heresy here to promote permaculture, but if I remember
      correctly, in One Straw Revolution Fukuoka mentioned learning how to
      natural farm by going to communes in the desserts of the US that
      practice permaculture. Linda, I would also like to ad that it is
      encouraging to read a reply from a woman that is interested in simple
      living when I'm rarely seeing such women in my everyday life.
      Basically, thanks for encouraging me that there are some women that
      crave simple living. Also, I do like your advice to begin meeting
      people in the area where I plan to buy land. I'm currently trying to
      decide where I should buy. Originally, I planned to buy land outside
      of Austin, but it is quite expensive. Another thing is that while
      Austin has wonderful farmer's markets, and lots of people buying
      organic, it is too urban for me there. I feel out of place. On the
      other hand, I've spent some time in west Texas, and I do like the
      slower pace of life that people live in west Texas. Now, the far
      west is a bit too dry for my plans, but I'm going to go searching
      west of Forth Worth for sure. Oh, speaking of dry climates, I
      believe that I was first introduced to permaculture on the net when I
      watched a video clip called Greening the Desert. I searched the net
      for regreening the desert after reading what Fukuoka wrote about
      desertification, and I saw permaculture on the net for the first
      time. I do like the idea of fighting desertification.

      How about more talk on subsistence farming.

      --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Shewan"
      <linda_shewan@...> wrote:
      > Hi Lee,
      > First up - I chose a man who can give me pretty much whatever we
      need in
      > terms of comfort - but he can't be happy with the simplicity I
      crave meaning
      > there is a constant 'gap' in our relationship. We are looking
      forward to the
      > future where we may meet - where he feels financially secure enough
      > simplify - isn't that concept strange... Trust me, find yourself a
      > that will be happy with, indeed craves, the simple life. Believe
      me, there
      > are some of us out there...
      > Don't try and go all out in one go, keep the laptop and keep
      > online with people like us. If you grow excess and sell at a local
      > you will also stay connected that way. It doesn't take a lot. I
      have started
      > making a pesto with native spinach that grows like a weed (perfect
      > natural farming) and my local connections are slowly but surely
      growing with
      > it. I am still in the money economy but by the time that collapses
      I feel
      > comfortable that I will have a lot more connections in the
      community to
      > support my family through it - AND I can pay the lease on the land
      this way!
      > This statement is heresy on this list but you may feel more
      > starting from a permaculture perspective. There is a large social
      network in
      > permaculture and it encompasses many of Natural Farmings ideals - no
      > chemicals, working with nature, using handtools instead of
      powertools -
      > subsistence living to a large extent. But it also acknowledges our
      > cultural environment and the need to 'Obtain a Yield' (one of the 12
      > principles of permaculture) so that you can survive in this world.
      For me,
      > the pesto is my yield, then as people are opened to the idea of
      using the
      > native spinach, just the leaves will be and then ... we'll see.
      > also shows lots of options for heating, cooling etc outside the
      usual realm
      > so there is a raft of self education you can do in the meantime. I
      > Toby Hemingway's book Gaia's Garden seems to be the preferred one
      in the US
      > as a starting point - it should be in the local library.
      > Go for your goal. I believe you need a social network and online
      may not be
      > enough. Search out the area you want to buy land in and see if you
      > connect with people in the community by attending farmers markets
      > similar events. Talk to the locals - you will then find out if the
      > suits you before spending all your money on the land.
      > Good luck and all the best, Linda
      > From: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
      > [mailto:fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee
      > Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2008 1:31 PM
      > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Farming for a Living
      > Back in 2004 I discovered organic farming. At that time the higher
      > prices payed for organic produce restored my childhood hope to farm
      > for a living. I then went on to discover various methods of farming
      > on small organic farms. As my knowledge progressed, I began to
      > desire to farm with less and less technology, or farm equipment.
      > My first plans were to farm with a small used tractor and used
      > implements. Then, in December of 2005 in an issue of American Small
      > Farm I read an article about how one man still farmed with horses.
      > He was also a professor, and explained the economics of horse
      > farming, and all of the numerous benefits. I was excited to
      > that it was still profitable and functional, especially since I had
      > background of breaking colts. I felt like I could combine my love
      > for horses with a passion for organic farming, and everything would
      > be wonderful.
      > Well, in the coming months I subsicribed to a journal and a
      > about farming with horses and oxen. I learned a bit more and was
      > further encouraged. Then, during the spring of 2006 while digging
      > the internet for more organic farming information I read about
      > permaculture and no till gardening. Also, that spring in an issue
      > Acres USA I seen one of Masanobu Fukuoka's books the One Straw
      > Revolution mentioned. The title of the book and a few words
      > describing it stayed on my memmory. In the spring of 2007 I
      > purchased the book. I was taken away by the wisdom in Fukuoka's
      > methods, and his devotion for being in harmony with nature. At that
      > point I changed my mind about wanting to farm with animals and till
      > up the land.
      > Since then I've been working an average of 60 hours a week in order
      > to save money to purchase farmland. In about a years time I have
      > managed to save thousands. Not hundreds of thousands, but tens of
      > thousands, thanks to a career opportunity in construction.
      > Nevertheless, this is certainly not a career that I want to spend
      > life in. I am still working towards my goal of farming for a living.
      > I do have some concerns though. My biggest concern is whether or
      > I will be able to earn a sufficient income to meet my needs. Now, I
      > am aware that a living a life of natural farming is more than just
      > farming techniques, but a way of life that is more natural and
      > simplified. I welcome the idea of further simplifying my life, and
      > I am interested in voluntary simplicity. I currently live debt
      > and TV free, but the rest of my life is that of a typical "tight"
      > spend-thrift american. The problem arises for me when I consider
      > fact that I would like to provide finacially for a spouse. I'm
      > currently single, and have no prospect, but I do worry about this.
      > also worry that I will not be able to find a spouse that would be
      > happy living a life of great simplicity.
      > I can see that living without electricity and living car-free would
      > drastically reduce my expenses, but what about transporting my
      > produce to the market? What about my social needs (though I'm a bit
      > of an introvert), and what about the desires of a potential spouse?
      > I'm beggining to question at this point whether or not I must
      > between a life of natural farming, and providing financially for a
      > life partner. Choosing to live off-the-grid is not tough for me,
      > choosing to live without solar panels, a laptop, a cell phone, and
      > fridge is tough for me. I know that I can do without these things
      > I must, but will I meet a woman in America that desires to live
      > a life? Then, there's living car-free, transporting produce, and so
      > on.
      > I guess that I'm asking for some direction, and a bit of
      > encouragement.
      > I also need some hands-on experience with natural forming before
      > able to even subsist on it?
      > Which brings up a good point. Should I only expect/desire to live
      > a subsitance level, and not trasport produce? I see the benefits in
      > living such a life, but I fear being lonely and disconnected from
      > relatives.
      > I've considered joining a commune in order to meet my social needs,
      > but I feel that I will be limited in the amount of choices that I
      > will be able to make concerning the layout of the farm, and so on.
      > Maybe I'm being a bit selfish in that respect, and should see that
      > some trade-off must exist in order to share my life with others.
      > Back to the hands-on experience. I do need to learn. I have some
      > knowledge about plants and the soil, and a bit of experience with
      > livestock, but when it comes to real natural farming, I do not have
      > any experience. Aside from my fears concerning financial issues, I
      > know that I do not "yet" have enough knowledge and experience to
      > natural farm at even a subsistence level with any certainty.
      > Any advice would be much appreciated, even though some of my
      > questions go beyond the realm of natural farming in some ways.
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    • grannis04
      -No, the chicken layer pellets are poultry feed for laying hens. It is grain based feed but if you want complete ingredients maybe check the label on the bag
      Message 92 of 92 , Jun 22, 2009
        -No, the chicken layer pellets are poultry feed for laying hens. It is grain based feed but if you want complete ingredients maybe check the label on the bag at your feed store. Steve G.

        fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, yarrow@... wrote:
        > So are chicken layer pellets similar to Sluggo (iron phosphate
        > pellets), which is sold as a nontoxic (to pets and wildlife) snail
        > and slug remedy at about $5-10 (est.) a pound in the U.S.? What's in
        > them? Do birds eat them, or do you need to hide them (as with Sluggo)?
        > At 11:00 PM +0000 6/22/09, grannis04 wrote:
        > ---Micheal, I don't know what a chicken later pellet would be but
        > chicken layer pellets are fed to laying hens. This really works and
        > is very inexpensive. A 50lbs. bag is about $12.00 here. Good luck,
        > Steve G.
        > >
        > >
        > > Steve, what is a chicken later pellet?
        > > Michael
        > >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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