Re: [fukuoka_farming] Re: White Clover Seeds
- You seem to have come to the same conclusion as I did concerning the three plants to grow the Fukoka style- wheat-sesame-clover. As you have probably noticed, he waters the field once to weaken the clover and let the summer crop come up. I could not find a solution to this problem since with so much watering sesame seeds would have rotten as well . But your experience shows that with some manual work it can be done.
Thank you for sharing your experience with us and please continue to do so. Good luck with winter wheat! (using more wheat seeds than you normally would might help)
----- Original Message ----
From: sydehill <sydehill@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:17:57 PM
Subject: [fukuoka_farming] Re: White Clover Seeds
Hi, I am trying some interplanting with white clover for the first
time - it's been almost two months now and as I didn't get a good
seed distribution and was a little light in some areas I don't have
as complete a coverage as I'd like. I've been doing a lot of hand
pulling of grass seedlings and horsetail fern to allow the clover to
establish itself. I think it's paying off, I have pretty good
coverage now and the clover is starting to develop more complex roots
with the nodules indicating the nitrogen fixing thing is happening,
The clover seed I used was some commercial stuff from Australia (I'm
in Japan) and I don't know if it was inoculated or not so was worried
whether the appropriate bacteria would be there to get the process
going, but it looks like they were.
Plan A was to start cotton seeds in containers and transplant
seedlings into the clover area and to plant sesame directly. None of
my cotton seedlings came up, though, so that part is derailed for
For the sesame I just dug some shallow trenches about 2-3 centimeters
deep through the young clover and planted seeds. I did only minimal
disturbance to the clover. The sesame came up, but maybe due to cool
weather didn't do much else for about a month - clover, on the other
hand was growing well and I ended up having to pull up clover around
the seedlings to keep the from being overwhelmed (some were anyway).
I did a further planting of sesame a couple weeks ago and cleared
back the clover a bit more aggressively - that batch is almost as
well developed as the stuff planted several weeks earlier - by the
time the clover grows back up to the sesame, hopefully the sesame
will be tall and well established enough to be co-existing well.
The intention is to do winter wheat on the same ground, retaining the
clover. I'm not sure I will have that Fukuoka style system of
covering the seeds in clay coatings down by then - if I don't, how
would people recommend planting wheat into the clover?? (it's not a
large area - can do everything by hand)
cywgcyyc2005 - what kind of veggies/cereals are you growing & how do
you plant them with the clover?
BTW - seems to me a good source of clover seed would be from whatever
kind of clover seems to be growing well in your particular area
already - there's some time of giant(?) white clover that grows well
around here on pretty infertile looking soil - I'm going to try
collecting and using some seed from it..
--- In fukuoka_farming@ yahoogroups. com, "cywgcyyc2005" <
cywgcyyc2005@ ...> wrote:
> I think Fukuoka would suggest that you don't get bogged down in
> details. White dutch clover is a good cover because it covers thesee
> ground quickly, adds nitrogen, and yet does not interefere with
> cereal crops and vegetables as they climb above it. I suggest you
> what works well in your area by experimenting and have fun with it.I
> use the clover in my garden. I am not a hardcore gardener, but a[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> practical one. The continuous cover with a scattering of vegetable
> seeds in the spring produce a fantastic garden. Also, it keeps the
> dirt out of my pool. I am continuously amazed with what can be done
> in nature when you don't interefere, but gently guide your goals.
> Good luck