Re: Diamond.... and the Agricultural sin
- For those interested in these issues..
So also: Against the Grain by Richard Manning...
a great book, despite being over-shadowed by Diamond's award wining
Diamond's new book, Collapse also provides threads related....
THere have been hunter-gather populations with deep class divisions:
Specifically, the acorn harvesters on coastal California and the
Salmon people of Coastal Washington. THese of course are two
hunter-gathering society that required storage of an overly abundant
seasonal food source. Perhaps it is the storage of primary food that
leads to class divisions.....
And interestingly, one of the pre-incan civilizations had a
agricultual mixed community with very weak class divisions, and the
anthropoligist credit it with an advanced society with no hunger.
At this point, above and beyond social divisions brought forth with
agriculture., I see the neo-coporate world as even more derisive.
CEO's who make more in a day than their underlings make in a year, and
salaries that are not linked to productivity or performance in any
way.. ie severance packages for fired executives.....
And their increasing control over minutia of everday life...
In the context of Joel Salatin's EVERYTHING I WANT TO DO IS ILLEGAL,
in many respects it's illegal to step outside of the corporate frame
work in the developed world....
while I support European Unions protections for artisan products, at
the same time it debilitates others from sealing similar products..
So if I have 'parmasean' style cheese and I don't live in Parma.. what
do I actually call my cheese>??.. While I respect and agree with the
protections granted to the Parma cheese makers, their must be an
alternative language for those selling a very similar product....
I've been thinking.... here in the US we could really benefit largely
from an ARTISAN label as well, ei small scale value added producers
that can't meet the rigorous demands of the usda, but can easily meet
scientific standards for cleanliness under alternative models of
Ihave a strong sense that local food will be the next "organic", a
system to encourage this would be helpful...
and more importantly, what have these consetious producers learned
from the organic label debacle....
> Besides malnutrition, starvation, and epidemic diseases, farming
> helped bring another curse upon humanity: deep class divisions. Hunter-
> gatherers have little or no stored food, and no concentrated food
> sources, like an orchard or a herd of cows: they live off the wild
> plants and animals they obtain each day. Therefore, there can be no
> kings, no class of social parasites who grow fat on food seized from
> It is true but is it going to happen ever?
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "macropneuma"
> <macropneuma@> wrote:
> > http://ecr.lausd.k12.ca.us/staff/fbeerstein/Diamond,%20The%20Worst%
> CEO's who make more in a day than their underlings ...This debate has been raging in Germany for years. It is more political
than real and primarily driven by a "culture of envy." Before an election,
political parties will suddenly, after 7 years in office, propose a special
tax for the rich without saying how much such a move would bring to the
public coffers. After the election, this is quickly forgotten since anybody
who understands anything knows full well that such a tax doesn't bring
any significant new tax income and is more likely than not to motivate
those who are in a position to do so to put their money elsewhere.
>In the context of Joel Salatin's EVERYTHING I WANT TO DO IS ILLEGAL,Ah, it's the corporate bad guys again!? From the piece by Joel that
>in many respects it's illegal to step outside of the corporate frame
>work in the developed world....
was circulated on the web under the same title I think it has more to
do with burocracies and our society's demand on politics to provide
for each and every mishap the can occur during our lifetime, which
invariably leads to a regulated society that prohibits everything I
want to do too.
>while I support European Unions protections for artisan products, atGerman beer, French wines, Italian cheese and many other local
>the same time it debilitates others from sealing similar products..
products have a tradition that reaches back hundreds of years.
Why destroy such traditions in the name of free trade?
Companies are known to have created new brands.
>Ihave a strong sense that local food will be the next "organic", aIt's been in the news for some time and protectionist politicians
>system to encourage this would be helpful...
are bound to jump on the bandwagon. There is no reason to
assume that it would be easier to regulate local than to certify
And as Confucius said, if there is a way around it the trickster
will find it in no time (The Banalects, Vol. 3, Chapter 5, Paragraph
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