- Hi all, As an ecologist, I definitely do not advocate planting non-native species. They can have many different neg. effects on the natural envioronment, someMessage 1 of 33 , Jul 1, 2002View SourceHi all,
As an ecologist, I definitely do not advocate planting non-native species.
They can have many different neg. effects on the natural envioronment, some
of which J.P. mentioned. One example is that more hardy generalist species
can encroach on more sensitive specialists-- many non-natives take over
because they have no "natural predators" in their new enviro... As far as
growing own vegies etc.-- I believe in local, native for many reasons--need
to think more though about non-native vegi/grain growing for food.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. P." <jpoy@...>
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 8:10 AM
Subject: [fukuoka_farming] natives/non-natives
> >>>This brings up the whole discussion of natives and the import of other
> non-native species. I assumed that the Fukoka techniques support the
> establisment of native species and avoiding introduction of
> non-native. However I do realize that in my little home garden which
> is the only place I get to try out Fukoka's ideas I am using
> non-native vegetables and fruits.
> Hi, I've been lurking for a while here. I'm reading Natural Way of
> and asked so many Fukuoka questions on another email list that a member
> pointed out this list.
> in fact, your question is one of the ones I ponder. I live in Southern
> California, where "natives" is an entirely different category than
> "vegetables", most of our vegetable varieties having their origins in far
> wetter climates. I got interested in Calif native edibles and have been
> doing a lot of research on this. Fukuoka's seedball technique sounded so
> cool, yet so many Calif native edibles would not tolerate this treatment.
> for one thing, many of the calif native edibles that the native americans
> foraged here require fire to germinate or to refresh the edible growth. I
> can just see burning my yard annually, here in the middle of Los Angeles!
> ha! I am wading thru his book, "converting" his plant recommendations to
> more appropriate ones for our climate (for instance the black wattle he
> keeps bringing up!) and I have learned a lot about nitrogen-fixing
> only thing is, so far my list is not edible nitrogen-fixing natives,
> ornamentals. so pieces of this don't really come together in my mind, for
> my climate.
> I read an article online about Fukuoka wanting to scatter seedballs in the
> deserts of Africa etc, and I sure wonder what he would put in those
> seedballs. again, I think he mentioned only the black wattle, didn't
> mention anything else. but then isn't that a non-native tree in those
> climates, so aren't you facing either (1) watering or (2) invasion of
> non-natives. I recently watched Bill Moyers' program Earth on Edge which
> had a segment about non-native trees in South Africa soaking up all the
> water. when they began chainsawing the non-native forests, the streams
> again. so I think the idea of widescale scattering of non-native
> is really off the mark, environmentally. I think you'd *have* to research
> local plant cycles and harmonies as I have begun to do for our climate, to
> find the nitro fixers, to find the native edibles, to find the shade
> and the understory shrubs, etc.
> I'll have to research the exact source of the quote, but I read (either
> online or in Natural Way of Farming) that Fukuoka said something to the
> effect of "what's a native", as in, it's a bunch of humbug, we could mix
> all up. let nature take care of it. I would almost begin to go along
> that idea, for instance if a plant will survive in my xeriscape, then let
> stay here, regardless of whether it's from South Africa, Australia,
> wherever. but then I turn to the abovementioned Bill Moyers/South African
> trees example and I see that is so wrong on a large scale. these
> are doing things to the ecosystems that we can't see right away. also
> been doing a lot of research about native wildlife, from birds, to
> pollinators,etc , and some are so specialized in what few plant species
> eat, that the "mix em all up, and see what survives" concept is contrary
> maintenance of that aspect of ecosystem as well.
> enough tirade for my first post
> Los Angeles, Calif
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- Hi all, I just need to briefly interject one point. While yes I agree there are too many people in the world, a bigger problem is overconsumption by the fewMessage 33 of 33 , Jul 4, 2002View SourceHi all,
I just need to briefly interject one point. While yes I agree there are too
many people in the world, a bigger problem is overconsumption by the few in
the so-called developed world, many of whom actually believe all this stuff
is what they need and are used to, and our push to have the rest of the
world desire and also be dependant on lots of our junk vs. meeting basic
needs naturally and locally without destruction and disrespect.
It is an important note, because it actually places blame and belittles the
rest of the world and is usually us white folks or other from the "developed
world" who focus it that way. Meanwhile we consume 40% of the world's
resources and cause major environmental destruction, depletion, etc. etc.
Someone told me that every one American born is equivalent to 10 individuals
in terms of consumption, etc. I believe it.
I find it important daily to question that which us privileged and spoiled
believe to be reality in terms of needs, actions, thoughts, etc.