Dear friend Raju,
Some understanding, some misunderstanding, you had of that post of mine.
Black Wattle Acacia mearnsii ≠ Subabul (Leucana leucocephala)
Subabul (Leucana leucocephala) seems Okay to me in your farm from all your
photos and your words i've seen.
I did not say nor quote any words about Subabul (Leucana leucocephala).
The word science (originally) means: to know - at it's most basic.
Great Spirit God understands knows much what we humans do not understand know.
Scientists took Acacia mearnsii Black Wattle to India, in Kerala state, creating
the problem, and then wrote up about that problem in that paper. There is no
reason to use it in India at all, or for Acacia mearnsii Black Wattle to grow in
India at all, Great Spirit God did not provide it in to India.
Of course, Mr. Fukuoka sensei was by the way an excellent botanist, using
correct names for plants throughout his books - correct common names - so that
we all people all around the world are enabled by him to communicate and
understand what he says and what he means in terms of plant names.
Separately and more generally from above,
A small quote from Mr. Fukuoka sensei
wara ippon no kakumei・sōkatsuhen 「kami to shizen to hito no kakumei」
Self-published by Shizenjuen (Shou Shin Sha) (自然樹園 (小心舎)?,
One of Mr. Fukuoka's own self-publishing-publisher-names) in 1992 Dec.,
230 pp., 26×26cm ISBN 978-4938743017; ISBN 4938743019.
--* 1996 "The Ultimatium [sic] of GOD NATURE The One-Straw Revolution A
-Mr. Fukuoka himself commissioned this English-retranslation and printing in an
extremely limited edition, less than 100 copies, no ISBN,
printed by the author hence the publisher name is, quote: "S h o u S h i n S h a
-from page 66:
Of course, the fundamental idea behind the natural farming method is the
*dharma* (natural law) of do-nothing nature.
" - It is Mr. Fukuoka sensei's emphasis using stars * where he writes it in
The same sentence quoting Mr. Fukuoka sensei, in his own Japanese from:
wara ippon no kakumei sōkatsuhen -nendo dango no tabi-
(わら一本の革命 総括編 —粘土団子の旅—?);
Self-published by Shizenjuen (Shou Shin Sha) (自然樹園 (小心舎)?, One of Mr. Fukuoka's
own self-publishing-publisher-names) in 2001 May,
hundreds of captioned photographs from his farm and travels all around Earth,
reproduced drawings & diagrams, and
a full book of text pages also,
271 pp., A4 30x21cm, ISBN 978-4938743024; ISBN 4938743027;
Re-published in 2010 April by Shunjūsha (春秋社?) ISBN 978-4393741511.
--* Title translation only: The One Straw Revolution Recapitulation -Journeying
[around Earth] with clay seed balls-. In Japanese only, not translated (yet).:
自然農法 - nature farming
無為自然 - in Dharma (natural law [buddhist terms]) meaning unconditioned nature or
Another parallel Japanese and translated-into-English-by-Mr.-Fukuoka-sensei
[Japanese (1992):] 私は西洋j人から “do nothingの男” と言われるが、ただ時計を捨てただけである。
[Mr. Fukuoka sensei's own commissioned translation to English (1996):]
Westerners call me a "do-nothing man", but I simply threw away my watch. In
fact, fool that I am, I even discarded the Buddha."
No one is a guru! No idols! Not any one of us! Idolatry! Most important to not
oneself let one's self get put up on a pedastal by those around us. Pedastal
means to stand above, higher, than people around us, eg. a guru. This compassion
for each of our true identities consisting of connections, continuities, of
identity as a part within nature, rather than of ego(s), makes major compassion
for all, including especially particularly for all around us who have been
trying to put us up on a pedastal, when i/we want them all to raise themselves
to no ego and identify with as a part of nature.
Mr. Fukuoka sensei himself in his genuine genius still steadfastly remained true
that he himself is not perfect, not a perfect example. His admission of this is
part of his genius!
This is also classic Japanese-cultural humility.
Also it is true in a dharma (natural law) sense that all of us humans however
enlightened, we are not, cannot be absolutely perfect.
The Dalai Lama comes even closer but still is not so by his own admission.
Mother Theresa comes closer but still is not. Sin if you like to call it that.
I'm critical friend Raju of your shrill comments toward scientists.
I don't like science either, but i want everyone to work with scientists.
i want yo to call it bad science, and to call bad scientists bad scientist, of
which there is much & many. Mr. Fukuoka sensei in the sense of the word science
meaning to know remained a Mu philosopher, natural-Buddhist, natural-Christian,
wrote some sympathetically of Islam, etcetera and a good scientist, and
Oriental-natural-philosophy based good scientist. Even if: to know - means to
recognise and know nothing.
Not a western philosophy based scientist. That's a good distinction to make for
all. For example Rene Descartes (Western philosophy originator) was wrong!
I'm not a western philosophy based scientist.
If i know that i have even better evidence regarding nature, than the
scientists, then what am I?
I'm a bushie -a bushman, here in south-eastern Oz, over all of my professional
career in nature-restoration, natural history, computing (GIS), etc..
So if i do actually have better evidence regarding nature than the scientists
then i should and i do work with the scientists to *help them* to understand
better -- most importantly to *help them* to appreciate the unknown, for example
dharma nothingness Mr. Fukuoka sensei called "無" (Mu), and the lesser the
uncertainties. The unknown and the uncertainties as information.
Dear friend Raju, if only i could reply for you in Hindi!
Biggest best wishes,
From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 23:52:07
Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Black Wattle, India! Botanical name: Acacia
mearnsii -Re: Morishima Acacia.
ये जानकारी भेजने के लिए धन्यवाद. ये जानकारी एक वैज्ञानिक के द्वारा दी गयी
है. हमारा ग्रुप कुदरत से संबधित है हम कुदरत की निगाह से देखते हैं जबकि एक
वैज्ञानिक विज्ञानं की निगाह से देखता है. फुकुओकाजी ने हमें धर्म और विज्ञानं
के बदले कुदरती निगाह से देखना सिखाया है. हमने ये पाया है की वीड नाम की कोई
भी चीज़ नहीं है. वीड और वीड किलर इन्सान ने बनाया है. हम इस बात से बिलकुल
इतफाक नहीं रखते हैं की सुबबूल एक वीड है. और भविष्य में इस से कोई खतरा है.
अनेक वैज्ञानिकों का अनुसन्धान फुकुओका की कुदरती खेती के बाद बेकार सिद्ध हो
गया है. जैसे जमीन की जुताई, खाद, दवाई और वीड नाशक उपायों का अब कोई मोल नहीं
रह गया है. इन उपायों के कारन ही आज हम कुदरती खान ,पान और हवा की कमी में मर
रहे हैं. गरमाती धरती, बदलता मोसम और पर्यावरण प्रदुषण के कारन अब जीना न
मुमकिन हो रहा है.
हमारे खेत पूरे सुबबूल से भरे हैं जिस से हमें कुदरती हवा,पानी और फसलों के
साथ साथ कुदरती आहार और भरपूर आमदनी है. अब भारत में अनेक लोग इस की खेती करने
लगे हैं. खरपतवार का भय उन्हें नहीं है. खरपतवारों का भय पैदा कर अनेक लोग उसे
मारने के जहरों का धंदा कर रहे हैं. ये बात उनके मतलब की है. फुकुओकाजी के सभी
दोस्त अहिंसा में विश्वाश रखते हैं. कान्स घास भी वीड नहीं है. वो तो जमीन की
जुताई के कारण पनपते रेगिस्थान को बचाने के लिए आती है. इसी प्रकार गाजर घास है
जो बहुत काम की है. इसे वीड बताकर इसे मारने की अनेक दवाइयों का बाजार गरम है.
हम इन वज्ञानिक जी के अनुसन्धान को बकवास मानते हैं.
Thanks for sharing this information. This report was published by a
scientist. Our group deals with nature and we look at things from nature’s
view point, whereas a scientist looks at things from science’s view point.
Fukuoka has taught us to look at things from nature’s view instead of
religious (Dharma) or scientific views. I found that there is no such thing
as a weed. Weed and weed killer are manufactured by man. I do not agree with
the view that Subabool(Acacia) is a weed and there is no harm from it in
future. The research of many scientists has been proven useless after
Fukuoka’s natural farming revelations. There is no more value in ideas of
tilling, fertilizers, pesticides and weed killers. It is precisely because
of these ‘killer’ ideas that we are living devoid of natural food, water and
air. Living has become impossible on this hotter earth, changing climate and
My farm is completely occupied by Subabool trees and provide me natural
air, water, crops and good income. Many farmers in India have taken up this
farming. They are not afraid of weeds. Many people and institutions have
created the fear of weeds in the farmer’s mind and are doing good business
by selling weed killers. This report pertains to them. Fukuoka’s friends
believe in non-violence. Kans grass is also not a weed. It came up to
protect my farms that were turning into deserts due to tilling. Same is the
case withGaajar grass (Parthenium)’ which is actually a useful plant. The
market is replete with chemicals to kill this plant. This research report by
this scientist is crap to me.
(Thank you very much Yugandher for quick translation)
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jason <macropneuma@...> wrote:
> I just discovered some information about:
> Black Wattle
> Botanical name: Acacia mearnsii
> growing in India! -- three years later i'm replying!!
> Quoting a 2002 paper:
> Black Wattle Problem Emerges in Indian Forests
> Black wattle (Acacia mearnsii) is a fast growing leguminous tree native to
> Australia. It is widely used as a source of tannin, fuel wood, charcoal,
> poles, green manure and windbreak. Suited to cooler tropics, this tree grows
> well in tropical areas where the annual rainfall is more than 1000 mm.
> Extensive areas of black wattle plantations have been established in South
> Africa, South America, southern Europe and Southeast Asia. The main purpose
> of introduction was for the commercial production of tannins, which is used
> for leather tanning and in products such as wood adhesive.
> In Kerala State in southern India, A. mearnsii was introduced in the 1980s
> and mainly grown in the high altitude areas (over 1000 m above sea level;
> masl). It was preferred over other candidate forestry species because of its
> fast growth rate and the minimum post-planting care required. However,
> attempts to grow A. mearnsii on a plantation scale were not successful in
> most places in Kerala owing to high seedling mortality, eco-climatic stress
> and other factors. Hence, it now occupies only a very small area in the
> State, and fresh planting is not undertaken because of recurrent failure in
> The experiment with black wattle plantations has left an ominous legacy,
> however, for A. mearnsii has not simply gone away. Recent surveys conducted
> by the Kerala Forest Research Institute (KFRI) indicate that in certain
> isolated pockets in the high altitude areas, some trees of A. mearnsii
> survived against the odds and are now growing luxuriantly, forming small
> scrub jungles. At Vattavada (1800 masl) in Idukki District, it was noticed
> that, within a period of 3 years, A. mearnsii has penetrated and spread over
> a 1 km2 area in the dense subtropical montane (shola) forests, suppressing
> the native vegetation. Spread of the trees into the core areas of the highly
> diverse shola forests at Kolukkumalai (2480 masl) in the same district was
> also observed. The high competitive ability and seed production, prolonged
> seed dormancy and high rate of seed viability of the species probably helped
> the tree to spread like a wildfire into these forests. Collection of
> branches and logs of A. mearnsii by the local people for firewood purposes
> will also have helped spread of the tree species. Wild animals such as bison
> and deer also aid in seed dispersal. The allelopathic properties of leaves
> and branches are other possible factors favouring the gregarious growth of
> the species.
> Needless to say, the biodiversity of the subtropical montane forests in
> Kerala is now under great threat owing to this unchallenged invasion by A.
> mearnsii. Control methods need to be considered urgently, and in this
> context it should be noted that this species is a serious weed in South
> Africa, where it was introduced much earlier than in Kerala.
> By: Dr K. V. Sankaran, Kerala Forest Research Institute, Peechi - 680 653,
> Kerala, India
> Email: sankaran@... <sankaran%40kfri.org>
> Found via the wikipedia Acacia mearnsii page at a bio-control web page
> (from 2002 writing, archived in 2005):
> The conclusion i make is:
> 1) be very very careful using this species Acacia mearnsii.
> It's a potent plant, and can damage our Mother Earth in those places where
> our Mother Earth is healthy already with healthy forests already, growing
> Mr. Fukuoka sensei did recognise seriously hazardous noxious weeds and
> pests as compared to everyday weeds and pests. Weeding in terms of
> eradication on a day-to-day-labour basis proves unnecessary, it really does,
> completely, after all.
> Over many years or even over decades the long-term and only-strategic
> approach of eradication of only the seriously hazardous *noxious* weeds and
> pests is in the purview of Mr. Fukuoka sensei's nature farming - caring for
> ourselves in Mother Earth.
> It's not a 'grey subject' for subjective decisions of the discriminating
> mind to choose this plant which i like and that plant which i don't like --
> weed eradication clearly is only a subject when there's
> patently-clear-evidence of dramatically hazardous noxious weediness. That
> (God) decides Mother Earth needs protection by us as Mother Earth's
> servants, not decided by human discriminating judgements, not intellectual
> judgements, not by make believe!
> And, the methods used for eradicating the noxious weed also must be not
> violent!, not damaging-to our Mother Earth.
> Friend & facilitator Raju's natural methods for overcoming Kans grass, he
> previously described in this group, are a good example of "do-nothing"
> strategic weed eradication over several years without damage of our Mother
> Earth, without violence, without tilling which really does kill, kill
> networks of roots between different plants in the soil, in which plants of
> different types fuse their roots together and share foods with each other
> (this in written science evidence not mystical-made-up raving stuff - tell
> me if you want the references, i will then prioritise it, compared with my
> busy work);
> Raju did, with in fact with healing Mother Earth. :
> -> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/message/8993
> -> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/message/7764
> -> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/message/5361
> Critically it would not have happened, would not have died out by Raju's
> ceasing tilling, by the soil & crops healing, and different plants and
> different weeds growing instead, if Raju had decided that Kans grass was a
> good weed, discriminatingly-good for making special efforts to keep
> propagating it, and to spread it around more and more, over and over again,
> not letting it die out by itself, with practices healing our Mother Earth.
> Mr. Fukuoka sensei gives very clear evidence in the example of Queensland
> Fruit Flies and Med-Flies, noxious fruit pests, threatening, in Japan, to
> effectively damage Mother Earth (at least by indirect effects on agriculture
> practices and threatening massively increased chemical use).
> 2) Don't, please, don't discriminate Acacia mearnsii Black Wattle as
> superior to any different plants, leguminous plants, which grow already in
> your own area of the world. It is not superior! Great spirit God would have
> put it there already many thousands of years ago if it was best for there.
> Acacia mearnsii Black Wattle grows indigenous here where i live in
> south-eastern Australia, and so as Great Spirit God decided, *it is* the
> best for here.
> There are indigenous legumes all over the world, naturally by Great Spirit
> God. Of course.
> A few common northern hemisphere names are:
> Clovers -many types
> Medics - Medicago - many types
> Lupins - various types
> Gorse or Furze - Ulex spp. - many types in Europe.
> Brooms (shrubs) - Genista spp., Cytisus spp., Chaemaecytistus spp.,
> Spartium spp.
> -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broom_(shrub)
> etcetera etcetera -- there are thousands more names of types of indigenous
> legumes, and potent ones of course, in of course USA, Canada, South America,
> Asia, Mediterranean Europe, Western Europe, Russia, Middle East, Africa and
> so on. Save them, please, your local indigenous legumes before
> desertification destroys them from their home which Great Spirit God gave
> them in.
> (Many of these northern-hemisphere-indigenous-only legumes have in
> plentiful-evidence over often massive geographic-areas here in Australia
> often been very damaging dramatic noxious weeds to our Oz indigenous forests
> made by Mother Earth, Great Spirit God, mainly because they too are very
> potent nitrogen fixing legumes, also growing very fast and also producing
> often tens of thousands of plants per year.)
> 3) Therefore please use your local indigenous plant species first and
> foremost, as Great Spirit God provided!
> Rather than discriminating-as-better some sort of plant types' species
> coming indigenously from different lands.
> It beats-me-why these northern hemisphere indigenous nitrogen fixing
> legumes, a small proportion of examples listed above, are not massively used
> in re-vegetating European & north American man-made deserts.
> It's really not that difficult, even if they've become scarce regionally
> from the desertification.
> They grow so easily from seed, and a small area in your various nature farm
> orchards will provide in a few years tens of thousands of additional seeds,
> which you can then sow across the man-made deserts. Dear friends Panos,
> Raju, Karoubas and all in Europe and North America, i say these
> critically-encouraging suggestions particularly for you. Thank you so much
> for your great works over so many years and so many decades, may more get
> accomplished going forward.
> Biggest best wishes to all,
> Jason - I'm a bushie above all (above careers and entertainments)
> south-eastern Oz (slang for Australia - as i'm not south of any other
> continent, just south & east of the centre of this continent. <smile>)
> --- In email@example.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>,
> edward barton <siliconvalley47@...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Thanks for very enlightening info.
> > What is the Hindi ,Marathi,Gujerati
> > name for Morishima Acacia.
> > Thanks for your help.
> > regards
> > edward
> > --- rajutitus lal <rajuktitus@...> wrote:
> > > Friends what Fukuoka is saying about this miracle
> > > tree.
> > > Natural way of farming (page no-199)
> > > Morishima Acacia:
> > > Although Morishima Acacia serves as a
> > > fertilizer tree, I would like to include it plays a
> > > role also in association with ground cover
> > > cultivation. Up to about ten of these trees should
> > > be planted per quarter-acre among the fruit trees. A
> > > member of the pea family, this tree is effective in
> > > the following ways:
> > >
> > > 1) rapid improvement of deep soil layers;
> > > 2) can be used to form a shelterbelt, but may
> > > serve also a wind break when planted between fruit
> > > trees;
> > > 3) serves as a shade tree during the summer
> > > in warm region and protects the soil from depletion
> > > .
> > > 4) effective in preventing the emergence of
> > > orchard pests, especially mites.
> > >
> > > Nor is this all .The bark of the tree is rich
> > > in tannin and can be sold for a good price. In
> > > addition, the wood is excellent as a material for
> > > making desks and chairs, and the nectar of the
> > > flower serves as a source of honey.
> > > No other evergreen tree of the pea family
> > > grows as quickly as Morishima Acacia. It grows five
> > > feet or more in a year, creating a shelterbelt in
> > > just three to four years, and becoming about the
> > > size of a telephone pole in seven to eight years.
> > > After five to six years of growth, I felled
> > > these and buried the trunks and tops in trenches
> > > within the orchard. Saplings do not take well, so it
> > > is better to plant the seed directly. All one has to
> > > do is scatter seed here and there through out the
> > > orchard, and in six year or so, it becomes hard to
> > > tell from afar whether one is looking at a citrus
> > > grove or a forest.
> > > Along with growing cover crops, I started
> > > early dig trenches and fill them with organic matter
> > > to speed up the process of soil enrichment. I tried
> > > using a variety of organic materials such as straw
> > > ,hay, twigs and small branches, ferns, wood and bark
> > > chips, and lumber. After comparing the results, I
> > > found that hay, straw and ferns which I would have
> > > expected to be the least expensive, were in fact
> > > quite costly, while wood chips were not .The only
> > > problem was hauling this material in. As it turned
> > > out, the best material was lumber, whish was
> > > relatively inexpensive, but this too was at times
> > > difficult to carry in. This when I first decided to
> > > produce right there in my orchard. Figuring that the
> > > easiest and most beneficial way was to return to the
> > > orchard what had been grown there, I tried planting
> > > various types of trees and found the best to be
> > > Morishima acacia.
> > > Five or six years after planting acacias, an
> > > area of more than 100 square yards of what had been
> > > hard, lean soil about each tree had become soft and
> > > porous. This was far easier than blasting with
> > > dynamite and burying organic matter, and much more
> > > effective. In addition, when cut, each tree gave as
> > > much as a half-ton of high quality organic material
> > > for burying. It was hard to feel enthusiastic about
> > > digging trenches when there was nothing to bury in
> > > them, but with organic material on hand, the
> > > trenches got dug.
> > > Acacia Protects Natural Predators: I recommend the
> > > use of Morishima acacia even when replanting an old,
> > > rundown orchard. For example, in the case of a
> > > 40-to50-year-old orchard ,one could plant a large
> > > number of these acacia among the fruit trees and
> > > five to six year later fell all the fruit trees and
> > > acacias at ones than re plant the entire orchard
> > > with three to four year saplings . Not only would
> > > this be a far better method of replanishing the soil
> > > than running a bulldozer through the orchard and
> > > replanting is also rejuvenate the land.
> > > The acacia grows constantly throughout the
> > > year, always sending out new shoots. These attract
> > > aphids and scales, which support a growing
> > > population of ladybugs. One important role of the
> > > acacia than is to serve a protective tree for
> > > beneficial insects. Planting five or so acacia per
> > > quarter- acre keeps scales and mites down to a
> > > minimum. In addition to acacia, other trees that
> > > support population of beneficial insects will
> > > certainly be developed in the future.
> > >
> > >
> > > Raju Titus
> > > Natural farmer of India
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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