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  • karoubas
    Hello Deiter, Thanks for all the valuable input on the faba beans and lupines - I will try them. Do you broadcast directly with no clay most of the time or do
    Message 1 of 37 , Oct 14, 2007
      Hello Deiter,
      Thanks for all the valuable input on the faba beans and lupines - I
      will try them.
      Do you broadcast directly with no clay most of the time or do u do
      both? How well is that going?

      The clover and alfalfa and your vegetables, do you grow them in raised
      beds - do you use extra organic matter - how is the soil in your area
      - rich or poor in organic matter?
      Sorry about all these questions - I adhere to the proverb attributed
      to Socrates - "the only thing I know is that I do not know anything"

      Pano's farm, after 17 or so years of work is close to the "do nothing"
      stage - the soil is covered with a thick layer of organic matter, and
      his trees are grown - pretty much all he needs to do is select the
      fruits and take them to the market - he only grows vegetables for his
      own use - everything he sows is covered with clay.

      I found a site that may be of interest to other members- its called
      arid zone trees http://www.aridzonetrees.com/

      I also found a NPR report concerning the carbon in the soil that our
      friend Raju Titus has been telling us about
      the web address is

      My own soil conditions are "poor" - after 60 years of plowing and
      fertilizers from the previous owner the soil was depleted - the soil
      is a white color with very little top soil, it varies from zero to 20
      cm - but for the last 6 - 7 years that I own it - its getting stronger
      each year - I adopted the thinking of Fukuoka San (it also suits my
      thinking) - that I will offer as much as I can to the land, and I
      expect nothing in return - whatever I get I am thank full. I do have
      raised beds for my vegetables - Its a learning experience - not being
      a farmer before - but is a pleasant experience.

      I am coming to the conclusion that most of the stuff should be sown in
      the middle or early August, and then covered with the dry grass and

      At this stage for me - this "do nothing" farming, is anything but do
      nothing - there is a lot of work involved - I have walked many
      kilometers looking around the farm, taking care of the young trees,
      and planting seeds.


      --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Dieter Brand <diebrand@...> wrote:
      > Kostas,
      > Your reply somehow didn't make to my email account. I only saw
      > it as quoted message in Kim's reply.
      > I haven't tried velvet beans, but I think it is probably for the
      > I tried a number of beans this summer, but found it difficult without
      > ploughing because they didn't compete very well with the grass
      > and the weeds. How does Panos grow his beans?
      > I don't know how different your climate is from ours, at present we
      > have day/night temperatures of around 28/14 C. This is going to drop
      > to around 14/0 C by December. That is enough to grow most small
      > grains and winter annual cover crops in the November/June period
      > before it gets too dry.
      > I checked the weather forecast, we are going to have some rain
      > on Sunday. So I will start sowing lupines and faba beans. (I think
      > they are also called broad beans.) If your climate is anything like
      > ours, I strongly recommend to grow faba beans during the winter.
      > Last year, I tried them for the first time on a larger scale and
      > that there is no other plant that grows as much as this bean during
      > the winter months. Most winter annuals can be sown now, but only
      > show good growth in spring. Faba beans also fix quite a bit of N.
      > You can then cut the beans between March and May for planting
      > a summer crop into, or you can wait until June for harvesting the
      > beans. You don't need to plough, they will even grow in an existing
      > stand of grass.
      > Next month, when the ants are less active, I will sow wheat, barley,
      > vetch, more lupines and field peas. I also like to sow rye, but it's
      > hard to get locally. I will at the same time sow sunflowers, corn
      > and sorghum for next year. I sow everything into the shrubs then
      > cut the shrubs on top of the seeds.
      > In the garden, I have already planted or sown most of our winter
      > vegetables: cabbages, salads, spinach, Swiss chard, all root
      > Now I'm sowing clover and alfa alfa for planting our summer
      > into next spring.
      > I find, one strategy of dealing with the lack of rain during the
      > is to grow as much as possible during the winter.
      > When I started, I had no idea about what to grow when because
      > conditions are so different from Germany. When starting, one of the
      > most important things to do is to establish a growing schedule,
      > even though many things can be grown all year round, most plants
      > have an optimal period when they show the best performance.
      > Wonder how you are getting along in Greece.
      > Dieter Brand
      > Portugal
      > Garth & Kim Travis <gartht@...> wrote:
      > Greetings,
      > If you want tree seed, I can send you seed for Acacia farnesiana next
      > spring. Yes, it does with stand fire, comes back stronger than ever.
      > As a matter of fact, it is hard to kill. It survives long term droughts
      > just fine, but doesn't die from flood either.
      > Bright Blessings,
      > Kim
      > karoubas wrote:
      > > Good Questions Dieter,
      > > I have looked at the ants when they try to pick vetch- they have a
      > > hard time because the seed is round and slippery - I will look at them
      > > again.
      > >
      > > I don't mind spending on seeds as long as I see progress from year to
      > > year on the amount of organic matter being formed. Panos has mentioned
      > > velvet beans as a good way to generate organic matter in dry regions -
      > > I will try that - I found a source in Florida US that will deliver to
      > > Europe. I will also try the seeds you mentioned.
      > >
      > > I would be interested in exchanging seeds of course - we need to look
      > > for trees that have many characteristics, including fast growth,
      > > ability to withstand drought and ability to survive after a fire. I
      > > noticed the acacia trees survived after a fire we hand here last year.
      > >
      > > Kostas
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Dieter Brand <diebrand@>
      > >> Kostas,
      > >>
      > >> Are you sure ants don't collect vetch? In my place, the ants are the
      > >> major impediment for the direct broadcasting of seeds. I usually wait
      > >> until November 15 for broadcasting most of my seeds, because ants
      > >> are not so active after that. This gives me about a month for sowing
      > >> small grains like wheat, barley and rye. As legume, I mostly use
      > >> lupines, I have seen ants carry them off, but mostly they don't touch
      > >> the lupine seeds. If you are interested in producing biomass, I would
      > >> go for rye in combination with vetch. Rye has a massive root system
      > >> which can compete with grass and vetch fixes N. Last year, I also
      > >> used field peas which did well but don't produce much biomass.
      > >>
      > >> Most trees and bushes from Australia will do well in a semi-arid
      > >> region, but you need keep them under control since they have
      > >> the tendency to become invasive and replace the native vegetation.
      > >>
      > >> If you are interested in a seed-swap, I can offer cork oak, carob
      > >> tree and Nespera (biwa no ki) seeds. They do well here in the South
      > >> of Portugal without a drop of water during the summer. But they
      > >> are of course not as fast growing as acacias or eucalyptus trees
      > >> from Australia.
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> Did you consider Jatropha? It is supposed to grow on poor land
      > >> without irrigation. Its cultivation is promoted in India for
      > > biodiesel
      > >> production. Apparently, the diesel can be obtained directly from
      > >> the nuts without any sophisticated processing. A problem may
      > >> be frost. I think it will freeze to death at around -5 C. It doesn't
      > >> usually get that cold here. But there can always be a cold year.
      > >>
      > >> Dieter Brand
      > >> Portugal
      > >>
      > >> karoubas <karoubas@> wrote:
      > >>
      > >> A while back someone asked about different ways of making seed
      > >>
      > >> Just to share my experience - this year I used extensively ice cube
      > >> trays - there trays on the market that can make seed balls about the
      > >> size we need (about 1/2 inch) - I bought enough flexible trays to
      > >> about 1100 seed balls at the time - I use a trowel to apply the
      > >> clay/seed mix and I press hard on the ice cube tray - I found this
      > >> easier and faster that making the seed balls by hand - on a hot
      > >> day I can make 2000 to 3000 clay balls this way - I hope this is help
      > >> full to someone.
      > >>
      > >> I am also experimenting with other types of forms - this summer I
      > >> forms with steel rings, enclosed in a steel frame, that were used by
      > >> the group in Edessa (with Panos Manikis) - but I still have not
      > >> settled on a final form that I like that is economical- I will try
      > >> wooden forms soon, and post photos on the site.
      > >>
      > >> I have been following closely the discussion on the Acacia mearnsii
      > >> (mollissima) - I am trying to create organic matter on my farm at a
      > >> fast pace as possible - I have been very pleased with vetch so far-
      > >> its a lazy man's seed - the ants cannot carry it of - when the rains
      > >> start I just throw it out as is (no clay) - last year it did well.
      > >>
      > >> I am also very pleased with alfalfa that Fukuoka San has mentioned in
      > >> his books - it is indeed very deep rooted - when I excavated for a
      > >> house on the farm - I saw its roots go down to more than a meter
      > >> It is very drought tolerant and produces a good amount of organic
      > >> mater - I broadcast a lot of it with clay this fall. I find alfalfa
      > >> amazing.
      > >>
      > >> Finally if some of our friends on this list from Australia, can help
      > >> me to obtain/buy seeds of Acacia mearnsii, I would like to try it to
      > >> see if it will do well in my area for my reforestation efforts
      and for
      > >> my farm.
      > >>
      > >> If our Australian friends know of a company that will ship it to
      > >> Greece or if someone is willing to mail them I will pay for it.
      > >>
      > >> On this issue, the same applies to any other members of this that are
      > >> from dry/dessert like climates - if you have any trees to recommend
      > >> that are fast growing and drought tolerant please let us know
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    • Jason Stewart
      Dear friend Raju, Some understanding, some misunderstanding, you had of that post of mine. Black Wattle Acacia mearnsii ≠ Subabul (Leucana leucocephala)
      Message 37 of 37 , Nov 3, 2010
        Dear friend Raju,

        Some understanding, some misunderstanding, you had of that post of mine.

        Black Wattle Acacia mearnsii ≠ Subabul (Leucana leucocephala)

        Subabul (Leucana leucocephala) seems Okay to me in your farm from all your
        photos and your words i've seen.

        I did not say nor quote any words about Subabul (Leucana leucocephala).

        The word science (originally) means: to know - at it's most basic.
        Great Spirit God understands knows much what we humans do not understand know.
        Scientists took Acacia mearnsii Black Wattle to India, in Kerala state, creating
        the problem, and then wrote up about that problem in that paper. There is no
        reason to use it in India at all, or for Acacia mearnsii Black Wattle to grow in
        India at all, Great Spirit God did not provide it in to India.


        Of course, Mr. Fukuoka sensei was by the way an excellent botanist, using
        correct names for plants throughout his books - correct common names - so that
        we all people all around the world are enabled by him to communicate and
        understand what he says and what he means in terms of plant names.



        Separately and more generally from above,
        A small quote from Mr. Fukuoka sensei
        * 1992
        wara ippon no kakumei・sōkatsuhen 「kami to shizen to hito no kakumei」
        (わら一本お革命・総括編 「神と自然と人と革命」?);
        Self-published by Shizenjuen (Shou Shin Sha) (自然樹園 (小心舎)?,
        One of Mr. Fukuoka's own self-publishing-publisher-names) in 1992 Dec.,
        230 pp., 26×26cm ISBN 978-4938743017; ISBN 4938743019.
        --* 1996 "The Ultimatium [sic] of GOD NATURE The One-Straw Revolution A
        -Mr. Fukuoka himself commissioned this English-retranslation and printing in an
        extremely limited edition, less than 100 copies, no ISBN,
        printed by the author hence the publisher name is, quote: "S h o u S h i n S h a
        -from page 66:
        Of course, the fundamental idea behind the natural farming method is the
        *dharma* (natural law) of do-nothing nature.
        " - It is Mr. Fukuoka sensei's emphasis using stars * where he writes it in

        The same sentence quoting Mr. Fukuoka sensei, in his own Japanese from:
        * 2001
        wara ippon no kakumei sōkatsuhen -nendo dango no tabi-
        (わら一本の革命 総括編 —粘土団子の旅—?);
        Self-published by Shizenjuen (Shou Shin Sha) (自然樹園 (小心舎)?, One of Mr. Fukuoka's
        own self-publishing-publisher-names) in 2001 May,
        hundreds of captioned photographs from his farm and travels all around Earth,
        reproduced drawings & diagrams, and
        a full book of text pages also,
        271 pp., A4 30x21cm, ISBN 978-4938743024; ISBN 4938743027;
        Re-published in 2010 April by Shunjūsha (春秋社?) ISBN 978-4393741511.
        --* Title translation only: The One Straw Revolution Recapitulation -Journeying
        [around Earth] with clay seed balls-. In Japanese only, not translated (yet).:

        自然農法 - nature farming
        無為自然 - in Dharma (natural law [buddhist terms]) meaning unconditioned nature or
        "do-nothing" nature.


        Another parallel Japanese and translated-into-English-by-Mr.-Fukuoka-sensei

        [Japanese (1992):] 私は西洋j人から “do nothingの男” と言われるが、ただ時計を捨てただけである。
        [Mr. Fukuoka sensei's own commissioned translation to English (1996):]
        Westerners call me a "do-nothing man", but I simply threw away my watch. In
        fact, fool that I am, I even discarded the Buddha."


        No one is a guru! No idols! Not any one of us! Idolatry! Most important to not
        oneself let one's self get put up on a pedastal by those around us. Pedastal
        means to stand above, higher, than people around us, eg. a guru. This compassion
        for each of our true identities consisting of connections, continuities, of
        identity as a part within nature, rather than of ego(s), makes major compassion
        for all, including especially particularly for all around us who have been
        trying to put us up on a pedastal, when i/we want them all to raise themselves
        to no ego and identify with as a part of nature.

        Mr. Fukuoka sensei himself in his genuine genius still steadfastly remained true
        that he himself is not perfect, not a perfect example. His admission of this is
        part of his genius!
        This is also classic Japanese-cultural humility.
        Also it is true in a dharma (natural law) sense that all of us humans however
        enlightened, we are not, cannot be absolutely perfect.
        The Dalai Lama comes even closer but still is not so by his own admission.
        Mother Theresa comes closer but still is not. Sin if you like to call it that.
        I'm critical friend Raju of your shrill comments toward scientists.
        I don't like science either, but i want everyone to work with scientists.
        i want yo to call it bad science, and to call bad scientists bad scientist, of
        which there is much & many. Mr. Fukuoka sensei in the sense of the word science
        meaning to know remained a Mu philosopher, natural-Buddhist, natural-Christian,
        wrote some sympathetically of Islam, etcetera and a good scientist, and
        Oriental-natural-philosophy based good scientist. Even if: to know - means to
        recognise and know nothing.
        Not a western philosophy based scientist. That's a good distinction to make for
        all. For example Rene Descartes (Western philosophy originator) was wrong!
        I'm not a western philosophy based scientist.
        If i know that i have even better evidence regarding nature, than the
        scientists, then what am I?
        I'm a bushie -a bushman, here in south-eastern Oz, over all of my professional
        career in nature-restoration, natural history, computing (GIS), etc..
        So if i do actually have better evidence regarding nature than the scientists
        then i should and i do work with the scientists to *help them* to understand
        better -- most importantly to *help them* to appreciate the unknown, for example
        dharma nothingness Mr. Fukuoka sensei called "無" (Mu), and the lesser the
        uncertainties. The unknown and the uncertainties as information.

        Dear friend Raju, if only i could reply for you in Hindi!

        Biggest best wishes,

        SE Oz

        From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
        To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 23:52:07
        Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Black Wattle, India! Botanical name: Acacia
        mearnsii -Re: Morishima Acacia.

        प्रिय मित्र,
        ये जानकारी भेजने के लिए धन्यवाद. ये जानकारी एक वैज्ञानिक के द्वारा दी गयी
        है. हमारा ग्रुप कुदरत से संबधित है हम कुदरत की निगाह से देखते हैं जबकि एक
        वैज्ञानिक विज्ञानं की निगाह से देखता है. फुकुओकाजी ने हमें धर्म और विज्ञानं
        के बदले कुदरती निगाह से देखना सिखाया है. हमने ये पाया है की वीड नाम की कोई
        भी चीज़ नहीं है. वीड और वीड किलर इन्सान ने बनाया है. हम इस बात से बिलकुल
        इतफाक नहीं रखते हैं की सुबबूल एक वीड है. और भविष्य में इस से कोई खतरा है.
        अनेक वैज्ञानिकों का अनुसन्धान फुकुओका की कुदरती खेती के बाद बेकार सिद्ध हो
        गया है. जैसे जमीन की जुताई, खाद, दवाई और वीड नाशक उपायों का अब कोई मोल नहीं
        रह गया है. इन उपायों के कारन ही आज हम कुदरती खान ,पान और हवा की कमी में मर
        रहे हैं. गरमाती धरती, बदलता मोसम और पर्यावरण प्रदुषण के कारन अब जीना न
        मुमकिन हो रहा है.
        हमारे खेत पूरे सुबबूल से भरे हैं जिस से हमें कुदरती हवा,पानी और फसलों के
        साथ साथ कुदरती आहार और भरपूर आमदनी है. अब भारत में अनेक लोग इस की खेती करने
        लगे हैं. खरपतवार का भय उन्हें नहीं है. खरपतवारों का भय पैदा कर अनेक लोग उसे
        मारने के जहरों का धंदा कर रहे हैं. ये बात उनके मतलब की है. फुकुओकाजी के सभी
        दोस्त अहिंसा में विश्वाश रखते हैं. कान्स घास भी वीड नहीं है. वो तो जमीन की
        जुताई के कारण पनपते रेगिस्थान को बचाने के लिए आती है. इसी प्रकार गाजर घास है
        जो बहुत काम की है. इसे वीड बताकर इसे मारने की अनेक दवाइयों का बाजार गरम है.
        हम इन वज्ञानिक जी के अनुसन्धान को बकवास मानते हैं.

        Dear Friend,

        Thanks for sharing this information. This report was published by a
        scientist. Our group deals with nature and we look at things from nature’s
        view point, whereas a scientist looks at things from science’s view point.
        Fukuoka has taught us to look at things from nature’s view instead of
        religious (Dharma) or scientific views. I found that there is no such thing
        as a weed. Weed and weed killer are manufactured by man. I do not agree with
        the view that Subabool(Acacia) is a weed and there is no harm from it in
        future. The research of many scientists has been proven useless after
        Fukuoka’s natural farming revelations. There is no more value in ideas of
        tilling, fertilizers, pesticides and weed killers. It is precisely because
        of these ‘killer’ ideas that we are living devoid of natural food, water and
        air. Living has become impossible on this hotter earth, changing climate and
        environmental pollution.

        My farm is completely occupied by Subabool trees and provide me natural
        air, water, crops and good income. Many farmers in India have taken up this
        farming. They are not afraid of weeds. Many people and institutions have
        created the fear of weeds in the farmer’s mind and are doing good business
        by selling weed killers. This report pertains to them. Fukuoka’s friends
        believe in non-violence. Kans grass is also not a weed. It came up to
        protect my farms that were turning into deserts due to tilling. Same is the
        case withGaajar grass (Parthenium)’ which is actually a useful plant. The
        market is replete with chemicals to kill this plant. This research report by
        this scientist is crap to me.

        (Thank you very much Yugandher for quick translation)


        On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jason <macropneuma@...> wrote:

        > I just discovered some information about:
        > Black Wattle
        > Botanical name: Acacia mearnsii
        > growing in India! -- three years later i'm replying!!
        > Quoting a 2002 paper:
        > "
        > Black Wattle Problem Emerges in Indian Forests
        > Black wattle (Acacia mearnsii) is a fast growing leguminous tree native to
        > Australia. It is widely used as a source of tannin, fuel wood, charcoal,
        > poles, green manure and windbreak. Suited to cooler tropics, this tree grows
        > well in tropical areas where the annual rainfall is more than 1000 mm.
        > Extensive areas of black wattle plantations have been established in South
        > Africa, South America, southern Europe and Southeast Asia. The main purpose
        > of introduction was for the commercial production of tannins, which is used
        > for leather tanning and in products such as wood adhesive.
        > In Kerala State in southern India, A. mearnsii was introduced in the 1980s
        > and mainly grown in the high altitude areas (over 1000 m above sea level;
        > masl). It was preferred over other candidate forestry species because of its
        > fast growth rate and the minimum post-planting care required. However,
        > attempts to grow A. mearnsii on a plantation scale were not successful in
        > most places in Kerala owing to high seedling mortality, eco-climatic stress
        > and other factors. Hence, it now occupies only a very small area in the
        > State, and fresh planting is not undertaken because of recurrent failure in
        > establishment.
        > The experiment with black wattle plantations has left an ominous legacy,
        > however, for A. mearnsii has not simply gone away. Recent surveys conducted
        > by the Kerala Forest Research Institute (KFRI) indicate that in certain
        > isolated pockets in the high altitude areas, some trees of A. mearnsii
        > survived against the odds and are now growing luxuriantly, forming small
        > scrub jungles. At Vattavada (1800 masl) in Idukki District, it was noticed
        > that, within a period of 3 years, A. mearnsii has penetrated and spread over
        > a 1 km2 area in the dense subtropical montane (shola) forests, suppressing
        > the native vegetation. Spread of the trees into the core areas of the highly
        > diverse shola forests at Kolukkumalai (2480 masl) in the same district was
        > also observed. The high competitive ability and seed production, prolonged
        > seed dormancy and high rate of seed viability of the species probably helped
        > the tree to spread like a wildfire into these forests. Collection of
        > branches and logs of A. mearnsii by the local people for firewood purposes
        > will also have helped spread of the tree species. Wild animals such as bison
        > and deer also aid in seed dispersal. The allelopathic properties of leaves
        > and branches are other possible factors favouring the gregarious growth of
        > the species.
        > Needless to say, the biodiversity of the subtropical montane forests in
        > Kerala is now under great threat owing to this unchallenged invasion by A.
        > mearnsii. Control methods need to be considered urgently, and in this
        > context it should be noted that this species is a serious weed in South
        > Africa, where it was introduced much earlier than in Kerala.
        > By: Dr K. V. Sankaran, Kerala Forest Research Institute, Peechi - 680 653,
        > Kerala, India
        > Email: sankaran@... <sankaran%40kfri.org>
        > "
        > Found via the wikipedia Acacia mearnsii page at a bio-control web page
        > (from 2002 writing, archived in 2005):
        > ->
        > The conclusion i make is:
        > 1) be very very careful using this species Acacia mearnsii.
        > It's a potent plant, and can damage our Mother Earth in those places where
        > our Mother Earth is healthy already with healthy forests already, growing
        > naturally.
        > Mr. Fukuoka sensei did recognise seriously hazardous noxious weeds and
        > pests as compared to everyday weeds and pests. Weeding in terms of
        > eradication on a day-to-day-labour basis proves unnecessary, it really does,
        > completely, after all.
        > Over many years or even over decades the long-term and only-strategic
        > approach of eradication of only the seriously hazardous *noxious* weeds and
        > pests is in the purview of Mr. Fukuoka sensei's nature farming - caring for
        > ourselves in Mother Earth.
        > It's not a 'grey subject' for subjective decisions of the discriminating
        > mind to choose this plant which i like and that plant which i don't like --
        > weed eradication clearly is only a subject when there's
        > patently-clear-evidence of dramatically hazardous noxious weediness. That
        > (God) decides Mother Earth needs protection by us as Mother Earth's
        > servants, not decided by human discriminating judgements, not intellectual
        > judgements, not by make believe!
        > And, the methods used for eradicating the noxious weed also must be not
        > violent!, not damaging-to our Mother Earth.
        > Friend & facilitator Raju's natural methods for overcoming Kans grass, he
        > previously described in this group, are a good example of "do-nothing"
        > strategic weed eradication over several years without damage of our Mother
        > Earth, without violence, without tilling which really does kill, kill
        > networks of roots between different plants in the soil, in which plants of
        > different types fuse their roots together and share foods with each other
        > (this in written science evidence not mystical-made-up raving stuff - tell
        > me if you want the references, i will then prioritise it, compared with my
        > busy work);
        > Raju did, with in fact with healing Mother Earth. :
        > -> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/message/8993
        > -> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/message/7764
        > -> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/message/5361
        > Critically it would not have happened, would not have died out by Raju's
        > ceasing tilling, by the soil & crops healing, and different plants and
        > different weeds growing instead, if Raju had decided that Kans grass was a
        > good weed, discriminatingly-good for making special efforts to keep
        > propagating it, and to spread it around more and more, over and over again,
        > not letting it die out by itself, with practices healing our Mother Earth.
        > Mr. Fukuoka sensei gives very clear evidence in the example of Queensland
        > Fruit Flies and Med-Flies, noxious fruit pests, threatening, in Japan, to
        > effectively damage Mother Earth (at least by indirect effects on agriculture
        > practices and threatening massively increased chemical use).
        > 2) Don't, please, don't discriminate Acacia mearnsii Black Wattle as
        > superior to any different plants, leguminous plants, which grow already in
        > your own area of the world. It is not superior! Great spirit God would have
        > put it there already many thousands of years ago if it was best for there.
        > Acacia mearnsii Black Wattle grows indigenous here where i live in
        > south-eastern Australia, and so as Great Spirit God decided, *it is* the
        > best for here.
        > There are indigenous legumes all over the world, naturally by Great Spirit
        > God. Of course.
        > A few common northern hemisphere names are:
        > Clovers -many types
        > Medics - Medicago - many types
        > Lupins - various types
        > Gorse or Furze - Ulex spp. - many types in Europe.
        > Brooms (shrubs) - Genista spp., Cytisus spp., Chaemaecytistus spp.,
        > Spartium spp.
        > -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broom_(shrub)
        > etcetera etcetera -- there are thousands more names of types of indigenous
        > legumes, and potent ones of course, in of course USA, Canada, South America,
        > Asia, Mediterranean Europe, Western Europe, Russia, Middle East, Africa and
        > so on. Save them, please, your local indigenous legumes before
        > desertification destroys them from their home which Great Spirit God gave
        > them in.
        > (Many of these northern-hemisphere-indigenous-only legumes have in
        > plentiful-evidence over often massive geographic-areas here in Australia
        > often been very damaging dramatic noxious weeds to our Oz indigenous forests
        > made by Mother Earth, Great Spirit God, mainly because they too are very
        > potent nitrogen fixing legumes, also growing very fast and also producing
        > often tens of thousands of plants per year.)
        > 3) Therefore please use your local indigenous plant species first and
        > foremost, as Great Spirit God provided!
        > Rather than discriminating-as-better some sort of plant types' species
        > coming indigenously from different lands.
        > It beats-me-why these northern hemisphere indigenous nitrogen fixing
        > legumes, a small proportion of examples listed above, are not massively used
        > in re-vegetating European & north American man-made deserts.
        > It's really not that difficult, even if they've become scarce regionally
        > from the desertification.
        > They grow so easily from seed, and a small area in your various nature farm
        > orchards will provide in a few years tens of thousands of additional seeds,
        > which you can then sow across the man-made deserts. Dear friends Panos,
        > Raju, Karoubas and all in Europe and North America, i say these
        > critically-encouraging suggestions particularly for you. Thank you so much
        > for your great works over so many years and so many decades, may more get
        > accomplished going forward.
        > Biggest best wishes to all,
        > Jason - I'm a bushie above all (above careers and entertainments)
        > south-eastern Oz (slang for Australia - as i'm not south of any other
        > continent, just south & east of the centre of this continent. <smile>)
        > --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>,
        > edward barton <siliconvalley47@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Hi,
        > > Thanks for very enlightening info.
        > > What is the Hindi ,Marathi,Gujerati
        > > name for Morishima Acacia.
        > > Thanks for your help.
        > > regards
        > > edward
        > > --- rajutitus lal <rajuktitus@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > > Friends what Fukuoka is saying about this miracle
        > > > tree.
        > > > Natural way of farming (page no-199)
        > > > Morishima Acacia:
        > > > Although Morishima Acacia serves as a
        > > > fertilizer tree, I would like to include it plays a
        > > > role also in association with ground cover
        > > > cultivation. Up to about ten of these trees should
        > > > be planted per quarter-acre among the fruit trees. A
        > > > member of the pea family, this tree is effective in
        > > > the following ways:
        > > >
        > > > 1) rapid improvement of deep soil layers;
        > > > 2) can be used to form a shelterbelt, but may
        > > > serve also a wind break when planted between fruit
        > > > trees;
        > > > 3) serves as a shade tree during the summer
        > > > in warm region and protects the soil from depletion
        > > > .
        > > > 4) effective in preventing the emergence of
        > > > orchard pests, especially mites.
        > > >
        > > > Nor is this all .The bark of the tree is rich
        > > > in tannin and can be sold for a good price. In
        > > > addition, the wood is excellent as a material for
        > > > making desks and chairs, and the nectar of the
        > > > flower serves as a source of honey.
        > > > No other evergreen tree of the pea family
        > > > grows as quickly as Morishima Acacia. It grows five
        > > > feet or more in a year, creating a shelterbelt in
        > > > just three to four years, and becoming about the
        > > > size of a telephone pole in seven to eight years.
        > > > After five to six years of growth, I felled
        > > > these and buried the trunks and tops in trenches
        > > > within the orchard. Saplings do not take well, so it
        > > > is better to plant the seed directly. All one has to
        > > > do is scatter seed here and there through out the
        > > > orchard, and in six year or so, it becomes hard to
        > > > tell from afar whether one is looking at a citrus
        > > > grove or a forest.
        > > > Along with growing cover crops, I started
        > > > early dig trenches and fill them with organic matter
        > > > to speed up the process of soil enrichment. I tried
        > > > using a variety of organic materials such as straw
        > > > ,hay, twigs and small branches, ferns, wood and bark
        > > > chips, and lumber. After comparing the results, I
        > > > found that hay, straw and ferns which I would have
        > > > expected to be the least expensive, were in fact
        > > > quite costly, while wood chips were not .The only
        > > > problem was hauling this material in. As it turned
        > > > out, the best material was lumber, whish was
        > > > relatively inexpensive, but this too was at times
        > > > difficult to carry in. This when I first decided to
        > > > produce right there in my orchard. Figuring that the
        > > > easiest and most beneficial way was to return to the
        > > > orchard what had been grown there, I tried planting
        > > > various types of trees and found the best to be
        > > > Morishima acacia.
        > > > Five or six years after planting acacias, an
        > > > area of more than 100 square yards of what had been
        > > > hard, lean soil about each tree had become soft and
        > > > porous. This was far easier than blasting with
        > > > dynamite and burying organic matter, and much more
        > > > effective. In addition, when cut, each tree gave as
        > > > much as a half-ton of high quality organic material
        > > > for burying. It was hard to feel enthusiastic about
        > > > digging trenches when there was nothing to bury in
        > > > them, but with organic material on hand, the
        > > > trenches got dug.
        > > > Acacia Protects Natural Predators: I recommend the
        > > > use of Morishima acacia even when replanting an old,
        > > > rundown orchard. For example, in the case of a
        > > > 40-to50-year-old orchard ,one could plant a large
        > > > number of these acacia among the fruit trees and
        > > > five to six year later fell all the fruit trees and
        > > > acacias at ones than re plant the entire orchard
        > > > with three to four year saplings . Not only would
        > > > this be a far better method of replanishing the soil
        > > > than running a bulldozer through the orchard and
        > > > replanting is also rejuvenate the land.
        > > > The acacia grows constantly throughout the
        > > > year, always sending out new shoots. These attract
        > > > aphids and scales, which support a growing
        > > > population of ladybugs. One important role of the
        > > > acacia than is to serve a protective tree for
        > > > beneficial insects. Planting five or so acacia per
        > > > quarter- acre keeps scales and mites down to a
        > > > minimum. In addition to acacia, other trees that
        > > > support population of beneficial insects will
        > > > certainly be developed in the future.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Raju Titus
        > > > Natural farmer of India
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
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