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  • Jeff
    ... US states of Kansas and North Dakota...which are the #1 and #2 wheat producing states....switching to growing corn to get in on the ethanol profits. The
    Message 1 of 24 , Oct 6, 2006
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      > I recently read a series of articles online about the MidWestern
      US states of Kansas and North Dakota...which are the #1 and #2
      wheat producing states....switching to growing corn to get in on the
      ethanol profits. The problem is that corn needs/takes more water
      than wheat does. It is nearly as bad in North Dakota, but farmers
      are still determined to grow the corn instead of wheat which would
      cause them fewer irrigation problems.
      in the more popular crops are soybeans for the same reason.
      >
      my opinion...when other crops are more profitable
      and use less valuable water.
      >
      > the farmers couldn't use something like that, or the old method
      we have discussed here years ago of using the stone pillar things

      HI All

      This is Jeff in North Dakota. I would like to suggest some of the
      complexities facing farmers caught in the industrial mode of
      operation.

      First, Kansas and Nebraska are sucking dry their groundwater in
      order to irrigate corn. This is an absurd practice that should be
      stopped immediately. Nebraska has been doing this for several
      decades, but they are the worst offenders. ANd yes, Kansas following
      suit is even more disturbing.

      That being said, I would like to point out that North Dakota has
      higher crop diversity than any other state in the nation. As far as
      number of crops and percentages of those crops. Second thing I would
      like to point out is that Kansas wheat is soft (winter) bread wheat,
      while North Dakota is red red spring and durum wheat (pasta) which
      have different milling properties. North Dakota wheat is forced to
      compete with subsidized Candian Wheat. Due to provisions in NAFTA.
      In North Dakota, it is no longer profitable for farmers to grow
      spring wheat three out of 5 years.
      Kansas wheat is being switch simply because corn is more
      economically valuable under high yielding conditions , with
      subsidized irrigation.
      In addition to Wheat, North Dakota ranks #1 or #2 in production of
      Sunflowers (oil and edible), flax, barley, and canola. Other
      important crops are soybeans, edible beans, and sugar beets and
      minor crops of potatoes and oats.
      The problem with many of the other crops is they each require
      special equipment to harvest and plant, and manage. Corn has always
      been in the rotation, so everyone has the equipment, but not all
      farmers have the equipment necessary for crops that have recently
      developed or have been of minor importance (flax, canola,
      and'sunflowers') Edible beans is limited by availablity of contract
      buyers as is the subsidized sugar beet industry. Barley is a gamble:
      on good years malting barley (for beer) pays good money, but if the
      barley is substandard it goes for an eighth of the price, and the
      farmers lose money. Malting barley is not always an easy standard to
      meet, and often involves luck of the draw.
      Soybeans, are highly profitable becuase of lowered herbicide and
      fertilizer costs. Corn is on the other end, high imput , high yield.
      Crop failure in corn is devastating. Hence the need for constant
      emergency aid to farmers who are forced by market factors into
      putting too many eggs in one basket.
      Another thing about North Dakota corn is LESS than 10% of the corn
      is irrigated. And the parts that are irrigated are irrigated largely
      from surface water, not ground water. So the corn situation in North
      Dakota is more more sustainable than else where: in part because of
      the diverse crop rotations on most farms.

      On a final note, researchers from U or Minnesota, North Dakota
      State, are working with drought resistant varieties from the New
      Mexico area (from the Zuni and HOpi tribes). With modern gene
      marking techniques they expect a highly drought resistant variety in
      6 to 10 years. They expect that this corn will only lose 10% in a
      drought year versus 50%+ now. Which if adopted could change the
      irrigation problem on its head....
      However many farmers are slow to adapt, and it may take a generation
      or better before they adapt new policies.
    • Gloria C. Baikauskas
      Thanks for all of that information, Jeff. I do hope it doesn t take a generation, or more, for those changes to occur. I do realize that farmers are
      Message 2 of 24 , Oct 7, 2006
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        Thanks for all of that information, Jeff. I do hope it doesn't take
        a generation, or more, for those changes to occur. I do realize that
        farmers are creatures of habit and do not like change.

        Have you seen the news stories on the Carbon Credit system in place
        in Wisconsin, as well as some other areas where farmers are given
        credits in return for not tilling? I am told Illinois uses it as
        well to help fund the reclamation of forest preserves <returning them
        to native only plants to promote better overall health, etc,>.

        Is North Dakota perhaps also looking into this program, or maybe has
        it already in operation?

        I finally have my hands on "Rainwater Harvesting for Drylands," by
        Brad Lancaster who wrote of the "Man Who Farms Water" in our archived
        messages from the U of ARizona website on Mr. Phirri in Zimbabwe. I
        have just Volume I so far and have only just started reading it. Mr.
        Lancaster took what he learned from Mr. Phirri and applied it to the
        Tuscon, Arizona, area where he lives. He is also a great advocate of
        Permaculture and mentions Fukuoka. Have you read this yet?

        I never really thought about how much the way we lay out our
        <especially urban> landscapes wastes water...particularly things like
        pavement and slope. I have dug swales before in the manner of Mr.
        Phirri with serpentine shapes, or in succession to collect rainwater
        as it moves down the property to slow it down. I have far more to
        do.

        Gloria, Texas

        --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <shultonus@...> wrote:
        > HI All
        >
        > This is Jeff in North Dakota. I would like to suggest some of the
        > complexities facing farmers caught in the industrial mode of
        > operation.
        >
        > First, Kansas and Nebraska are sucking dry their groundwater in
        > order to irrigate corn. This is an absurd practice that should be
        > stopped immediately. Nebraska has been doing this for several
        > decades, but they are the worst offenders. ANd yes, Kansas
        following
        > suit is even more disturbing.
        >
        > That being said, I would like to point out that North Dakota has
        > higher crop diversity than any other state in the nation. As far as
        > number of crops and percentages of those crops. Second thing I
        would
        > like to point out is that Kansas wheat is soft (winter) bread
        wheat,
        > while North Dakota is red red spring and durum wheat (pasta) which
        > have different milling properties. North Dakota wheat is forced to
        > compete with subsidized Candian Wheat. Due to provisions in NAFTA.
        > In North Dakota, it is no longer profitable for farmers to grow
        > spring wheat three out of 5 years.
        > Kansas wheat is being switch simply because corn is more
        > economically valuable under high yielding conditions , with
        > subsidized irrigation.
        > In addition to Wheat, North Dakota ranks #1 or #2 in production of
        > Sunflowers (oil and edible), flax, barley, and canola. Other
        > important crops are soybeans, edible beans, and sugar beets and
        > minor crops of potatoes and oats.
        > The problem with many of the other crops is they each require
        > special equipment to harvest and plant, and manage. Corn has always
        > been in the rotation, so everyone has the equipment, but not all
        > farmers have the equipment necessary for crops that have recently
        > developed or have been of minor importance (flax, canola,
        > and'sunflowers') Edible beans is limited by availablity of contract
        > buyers as is the subsidized sugar beet industry. Barley is a
        gamble:
        > on good years malting barley (for beer) pays good money, but if the
        > barley is substandard it goes for an eighth of the price, and the
        > farmers lose money. Malting barley is not always an easy standard
        to
        > meet, and often involves luck of the draw.
        > Soybeans, are highly profitable becuase of lowered herbicide and
        > fertilizer costs. Corn is on the other end, high imput , high
        yield.
        > Crop failure in corn is devastating. Hence the need for constant
        > emergency aid to farmers who are forced by market factors into
        > putting too many eggs in one basket.
        > Another thing about North Dakota corn is LESS than 10% of the corn
        > is irrigated. And the parts that are irrigated are irrigated
        largely
        > from surface water, not ground water. So the corn situation in
        North
        > Dakota is more more sustainable than else where: in part because of
        > the diverse crop rotations on most farms.
        >
        > On a final note, researchers from U or Minnesota, North Dakota
        > State, are working with drought resistant varieties from the New
        > Mexico area (from the Zuni and HOpi tribes). With modern gene
        > marking techniques they expect a highly drought resistant variety
        in
        > 6 to 10 years. They expect that this corn will only lose 10% in a
        > drought year versus 50%+ now. Which if adopted could change the
        > irrigation problem on its head....
        > However many farmers are slow to adapt, and it may take a
        generation
        > or better before they adapt new policies.
        >
      • Raju Titus
        Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas NPR A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone between harvest and planting,
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          Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
          NPR
          A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone
          between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
          greenhouse ...
          <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>

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        • Boovarahan Srinivasan
          That study results are encouraging for no till farmers. Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking machines sooner than later.
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            That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
            Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
            machines sooner than later.

            Boovarahan S

            On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

            >
            >
            > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
            > NPR
            > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone
            > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
            > greenhouse ...
            > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
            >
            > --
            > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
            > +919179738049.
            > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
            > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
            > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
            >
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            >
            >
            >


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          • Nandan Palaparambil
            Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily for each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done then only
            Message 5 of 24 , Jan 6, 2011
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              Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily for each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done then only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching has to be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear and cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.



              Regards,
              Nandan

              --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...> wrote:

              From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
              Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
              To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM

              That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
              Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
              machines sooner than later.

              Boovarahan S

              On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

              >
              >
              > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
              > NPR
              > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone
              > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
              > greenhouse ...
              > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
              >
              > --
              > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
              > +919179738049.
              > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
              > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
              > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
              >
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              >

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            • Boovarahan Srinivasan
              Hi ! When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me about the idea of non-tilling. People are hell bent on the notion that land must
              Message 6 of 24 , Jan 7, 2011
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                Hi !

                When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                about the idea of non-tilling.
                People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything we
                say against it falls on deaf ears.
                That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till farming.
                As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without use
                of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my field
                in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the rice
                plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest which
                could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old mental
                block of tilling.
                After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn up
                to no till farming.

                Boovarahan S


                On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                <p_k_nandanan@...>wrote:

                >
                >
                > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily for
                > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done then
                > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching has to
                > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear and
                > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                >
                > Regards,
                > Nandan
                >
                > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>>
                > wrote:
                >
                > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                >
                >
                > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                > machines sooner than later.
                >
                > Boovarahan S
                >
                > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                > wrote:
                >
                > >
                > >
                > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                > > NPR
                > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone
                > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
                > > greenhouse ...
                > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                > >
                > > --
                > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                > > +919179738049.
                > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                > >
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                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
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              • Nandan Palaparambil
                Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the results. But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when you
                Message 7 of 24 , Jan 7, 2011
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                  Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the results.

                  But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when you move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.


                  Regards,
                  Nandan

                  --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...> wrote:

                  From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                  Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                  To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM

                  Hi !

                  When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                  about the idea of non-tilling.
                  People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything we
                  say against it falls on deaf ears.
                  That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till farming.
                  As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without use
                  of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my field
                  in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the rice
                  plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest which
                  could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                  It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old mental
                  block of tilling.
                  After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                  actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn up
                  to no till farming.

                  Boovarahan S


                  On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                  <p_k_nandanan@...>wrote:

                  >
                  >
                  > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily for
                  > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done then
                  > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching has to
                  > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear and
                  > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                  >
                  > Regards,
                  > Nandan
                  >
                  > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>>
                  > wrote:
                  >
                  > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                  > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                  > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                  >
                  >
                  > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                  > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                  > machines sooner than later.
                  >
                  > Boovarahan S
                  >
                  > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                  > wrote:
                  >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                  > > NPR
                  > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone
                  > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
                  > > greenhouse ...
                  > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                  > >
                  > > --
                  > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                  > > +919179738049.
                  > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                  > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                  > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                  > >
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                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
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                • Raju Titus
                  Dear Nandan, I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
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                    Dear Nandan,
                    I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                    microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                    converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green cover
                    + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and fertile
                    quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                    land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of ground
                    cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                    fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
                    the soil.
                    Thanks
                    Raju

                    On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <p_k_nandanan@...
                    > wrote:

                    >
                    >
                    > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                    > results.
                    >
                    > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when you
                    > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
                    > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                    >
                    > Regards,
                    > Nandan
                    >
                    >
                    > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>>
                    > wrote:
                    >
                    > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                    > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                    > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                    >
                    >
                    > Hi !
                    >
                    > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                    > about the idea of non-tilling.
                    > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything we
                    > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                    > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till farming.
                    > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without use
                    > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                    > field
                    > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the rice
                    > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest which
                    > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                    > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old mental
                    > block of tilling.
                    > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                    > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn up
                    > to no till farming.
                    >
                    > Boovarahan S
                    >
                    > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                    > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                    >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
                    > for
                    > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
                    > then
                    > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching has
                    > to
                    > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
                    > and
                    > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                    > >
                    > > Regards,
                    > > Nandan
                    > >
                    > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                    > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                    > > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                    > 40gmail.com>>
                    > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                    > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                    > 40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                    > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                    > > machines sooner than later.
                    > >
                    > > Boovarahan S
                    > >
                    > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                    > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                    > > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                    > > > NPR
                    > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                    > alone
                    > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
                    > > > greenhouse ...
                    > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                    > > >
                    > > > --
                    > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                    > > > +919179738049.
                    > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                    > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                    > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                    > > >
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                    > > >
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                    +919179738049.
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                  • Nandan Palaparambil
                    Dear Raju sir, It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land
                    Message 9 of 24 , Jan 10, 2011
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                      Dear Raju sir,

                      It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution'  that initially we may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.

                      Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the failures..


                      Regards,
                      Nandan

                      --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                      From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
                      Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                      To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM

                      Dear Nandan,
                      I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                      microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                      converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green cover
                      + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and fertile
                      quickly better than  any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                      land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of ground
                      cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                      fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
                      the soil.
                      Thanks
                      Raju

                      On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <p_k_nandanan@...
                      > wrote:

                      >
                      >
                      > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                      > results.
                      >
                      > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when you
                      > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
                      > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                      >
                      > Regards,
                      > Nandan
                      >
                      >
                      > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>>
                      > wrote:
                      >
                      > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                      > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                      > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi !
                      >
                      > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                      > about the idea of non-tilling.
                      > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything we
                      > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                      > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till farming.
                      > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without use
                      > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                      > field
                      > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the rice
                      > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest which
                      > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                      > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old mental
                      > block of tilling.
                      > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                      > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn up
                      > to no till farming.
                      >
                      > Boovarahan S
                      >
                      > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                      > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                      >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
                      > for
                      > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
                      > then
                      > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching has
                      > to
                      > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
                      > and
                      > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                      > >
                      > > Regards,
                      > > Nandan
                      > >
                      > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                      > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                      > > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                      > 40gmail.com>>
                      > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                      > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                      > 40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                      > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                      > > machines sooner than later.
                      > >
                      > > Boovarahan S
                      > >
                      > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                      > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                      > > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                      > > > NPR
                      > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                      > alone
                      > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
                      > > > greenhouse ...
                      > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                      > > >
                      > > > --
                      > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                      > > > +919179738049.
                      > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                      > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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                      > > >
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                    • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                      Hi All! The problem in converting a chemically growm farm into a natural farm is the absense of microbes and earthworms. Unless the harmful effects of the
                      Message 10 of 24 , Jan 10, 2011
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                        Hi All!

                        The problem in converting a chemically growm farm into a natural farm is the
                        absense of microbes and earthworms.
                        Unless the harmful effects of the residual chemicals are neutralised
                        microbial activity can not be enhanced.
                        This can be achieved by adopting some temporary methods.
                        First the farm has to be flooded to get rid off the soluble chemicals.
                        Secondly mulching with vegetative matter both green and brown must be done.
                        Thirdly a conducive micro climate for the microbes and earthworms should be
                        created by using natural manure of cow dung / cow's urine. The quantity of
                        organic manure can be reduced and the process simplified by using zero
                        budget farming methods / Amrit pani etc.

                        Once the microbial activity is induced there is no looking back and simple
                        mulching of vegetative matter will take care of the rest. No further
                        application of manure is necessary.

                        Even fukuoka used to apply chicken droppings once in a way.

                        Regards.

                        Boovarahan S

                        On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                        p_k_nandanan@...> wrote:

                        >
                        >
                        > Dear Raju sir,
                        >
                        > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
                        > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from
                        > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
                        > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some
                        > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly
                        > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember
                        > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that initially we
                        > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.
                        >
                        > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land
                        > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
                        > failures..
                        >
                        > Regards,
                        > Nandan
                        >
                        > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                        > wrote:
                        >
                        > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                        >
                        > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                        > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                        >
                        >
                        > Dear Nandan,
                        > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                        > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                        > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
                        > cover
                        > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                        > fertile
                        > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                        > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                        > ground
                        > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                        > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
                        > the soil.
                        > Thanks
                        > Raju
                        >
                        > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                        > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                        > > wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                        > > results.
                        > >
                        > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
                        > you
                        > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
                        > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                        > >
                        > > Regards,
                        > > Nandan
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                        > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                        > > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                        > 40gmail.com>>
                        > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                        > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                        > 40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Hi !
                        > >
                        > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                        > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                        > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything
                        > we
                        > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                        > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                        > farming.
                        > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
                        > use
                        > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                        > > field
                        > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
                        > rice
                        > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
                        > which
                        > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                        > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                        > mental
                        > > block of tilling.
                        > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                        > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn
                        > up
                        > > to no till farming.
                        > >
                        > > Boovarahan S
                        > >
                        > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                        > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                        > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
                        > > for
                        > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
                        > > then
                        > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
                        > has
                        > > to
                        > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
                        > > and
                        > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                        > > >
                        > > > Regards,
                        > > > Nandan
                        > > >
                        > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                        > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                        > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                        > > > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                        > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                        > > 40gmail.com>>
                        > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                        > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                        > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                        > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                        > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                        > > > machines sooner than later.
                        > > >
                        > > > Boovarahan S
                        > > >
                        > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                        > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                        > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                        > > > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                        > > > > NPR
                        > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                        > > alone
                        > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                        > potent
                        > > > > greenhouse ...
                        > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --
                        > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                        > > > > +919179738049.
                        > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                        > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                        > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                        > > > >
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                        > > > >
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                        > +919179738049.
                        > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                        > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                        > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
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                      • Raju Titus
                        Dear friend, Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                        Message 11 of 24 , Jan 10, 2011
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                          Dear friend,
                          Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this
                          biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover of
                          green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This biodiversity
                          multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                          Thanks
                          Raju


                          On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                          p_k_nandanan@...> wrote:

                          >
                          >
                          > Dear Raju sir,
                          >
                          > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
                          > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from
                          > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
                          > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some
                          > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly
                          > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember
                          > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that initially we
                          > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.
                          >
                          > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land
                          > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
                          > failures..
                          >
                          > Regards,
                          > Nandan
                          >
                          > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                          > wrote:
                          >
                          > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                          >
                          > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                          > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                          >
                          >
                          > Dear Nandan,
                          > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                          > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                          > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
                          > cover
                          > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                          > fertile
                          > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                          > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                          > ground
                          > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                          > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
                          > the soil.
                          > Thanks
                          > Raju
                          >
                          > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                          > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                          > > wrote:
                          >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                          > > results.
                          > >
                          > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
                          > you
                          > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
                          > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                          > >
                          > > Regards,
                          > > Nandan
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                          >
                          > > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                          > 40gmail.com>>
                          > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                          > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Hi !
                          > >
                          > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                          > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                          > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything
                          > we
                          > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                          > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                          > farming.
                          > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
                          > use
                          > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                          > > field
                          > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
                          > rice
                          > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
                          > which
                          > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                          > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                          > mental
                          > > block of tilling.
                          > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                          > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn
                          > up
                          > > to no till farming.
                          > >
                          > > Boovarahan S
                          > >
                          > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                          > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                          > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                          >
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
                          > > for
                          > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
                          > > then
                          > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
                          > has
                          > > to
                          > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
                          > > and
                          > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                          > > >
                          > > > Regards,
                          > > > Nandan
                          > > >
                          > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                          > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                          >
                          > > 40gmail.com>>
                          > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                          > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                          > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                          >
                          > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                          > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                          > > > machines sooner than later.
                          > > >
                          > > > Boovarahan S
                          > > >
                          > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                          > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                          > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                          > > > > NPR
                          > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                          > > alone
                          > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                          > potent
                          > > > > greenhouse ...
                          > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --
                          > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                          > > > > +919179738049.
                          > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                          > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                          > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
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                        • Sumant Joshi
                          Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil is very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.  Sent from
                          Message 12 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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                            Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil is very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly. 

                            Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone

                            Warm regards,

                            Sumant Joshi
                            Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161

                            --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                            From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
                            Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                            To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM

                            Dear friend,
                            Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this
                            biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover of
                            green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This biodiversity
                            multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                            Thanks
                            Raju


                            On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                            p_k_nandanan@...> wrote:

                            >
                            >
                            > Dear Raju sir,
                            >
                            > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
                            > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from
                            > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
                            > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some
                            > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly
                            > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember
                            > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution'  that initially we
                            > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.
                            >
                            > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land
                            > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
                            > failures..
                            >
                            > Regards,
                            > Nandan
                            >
                            > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                            > wrote:
                            >
                            > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                            >
                            > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                            > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                            >
                            >
                            > Dear Nandan,
                            > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                            > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                            > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
                            > cover
                            > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                            > fertile
                            > quickly better than  any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                            > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                            > ground
                            > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                            > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
                            > the soil.
                            > Thanks
                            > Raju
                            >
                            > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                            > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                            > > wrote:
                            >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                            > > results.
                            > >
                            > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
                            > you
                            > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
                            > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                            > >
                            > > Regards,
                            > > Nandan
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                            > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                            >
                            > > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                            > 40gmail.com>>
                            > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                            > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                            > 40yahoogroups.com>
                            > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Hi !
                            > >
                            > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                            > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                            > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything
                            > we
                            > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                            > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                            > farming.
                            > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
                            > use
                            > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                            > > field
                            > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
                            > rice
                            > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
                            > which
                            > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                            > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                            > mental
                            > > block of tilling.
                            > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                            > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn
                            > up
                            > > to no till farming.
                            > >
                            > > Boovarahan S
                            > >
                            > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                            > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                            > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                            >
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
                            > > for
                            > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
                            > > then
                            > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
                            > has
                            > > to
                            > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
                            > > and
                            > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                            > > >
                            > > > Regards,
                            > > > Nandan
                            > > >
                            > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                            > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                            > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                            > > > wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                            > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                            >
                            > > 40gmail.com>>
                            > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                            > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                            > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                            >
                            > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                            > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                            > > > machines sooner than later.
                            > > >
                            > > > Boovarahan S
                            > > >
                            > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                            > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                            > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                            > > > wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                            > > > > NPR
                            > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                            > > alone
                            > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                            > potent
                            > > > > greenhouse ...
                            > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                            > > > >
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                            > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                            > > > > +919179738049.
                            > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
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                          • Raju Titus
                            Dear friend, For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way. Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can solve
                            Message 13 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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                              Dear friend,
                              For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                              Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
                              solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not easy
                              task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                              Thanks
                              Raju

                              On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:

                              >
                              >
                              > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil is
                              > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
                              >
                              > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                              >
                              > Warm regards,
                              >
                              > Sumant Joshi
                              > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                              >
                              >
                              > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                              > wrote:
                              >
                              > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                              > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                              >
                              >
                              > Dear friend,
                              > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this
                              > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover
                              > of
                              > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This biodiversity
                              > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                              > Thanks
                              > Raju
                              >
                              > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                              > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                              >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Dear Raju sir,
                              > >
                              > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
                              > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land
                              > from
                              > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
                              > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
                              > some
                              > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                              > quickly
                              > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                              > remember
                              > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that initially
                              > we
                              > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                              > reduced.
                              > >
                              > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
                              > land
                              > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
                              > > failures..
                              > >
                              > > Regards,
                              > > Nandan
                              > >
                              > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                              > > wrote:
                              > >
                              > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                              > 40gmail.com>>
                              >
                              > >
                              > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Dear Nandan,
                              > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                              > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                              > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
                              > > cover
                              > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                              > > fertile
                              > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                              > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                              > > ground
                              > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                              > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism
                              > in
                              > > the soil.
                              > > Thanks
                              > > Raju
                              > >
                              > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                              > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              > 40yahoo.com>
                              > > > wrote:
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                              > > > results.
                              > > >
                              > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
                              > > you
                              > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take
                              > at
                              > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                              > > >
                              > > > Regards,
                              > > > Nandan
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                              > >
                              > > > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > > 40gmail.com>>
                              > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Hi !
                              > > >
                              > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                              > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                              > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                              > anything
                              > > we
                              > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                              > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                              > > farming.
                              > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
                              > > use
                              > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                              > > > field
                              > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
                              > > rice
                              > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
                              > > which
                              > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                              > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                              > > mental
                              > > > block of tilling.
                              > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                              > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
                              > ,turn
                              > > up
                              > > > to no till farming.
                              > > >
                              > > > Boovarahan S
                              > > >
                              > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                              > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              >
                              > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
                              > easily
                              > > > for
                              > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be
                              > done
                              > > > then
                              > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
                              > > has
                              > > > to
                              > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
                              > clear
                              > > > and
                              > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Regards,
                              > > > > Nandan
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > >
                              > > > 40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > >
                              > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                              > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                              > breaking
                              > > > > machines sooner than later.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Boovarahan S
                              > > > >
                              > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                              > > > > > NPR
                              > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                              > > > alone
                              > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                              > > potent
                              > > > > > greenhouse ...
                              > > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > --
                              > > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                              > > > > > +919179738049.
                              > > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                              > > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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                            • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                              Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick mulching alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous chemical
                              Message 14 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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                                Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick mulching
                                alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                                chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /
                                animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?

                                Boovarahan S

                                On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                                > Dear friend,
                                > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
                                > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not easy
                                > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                > Thanks
                                > Raju
                                >
                                > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil
                                > is
                                > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
                                > >
                                > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                > >
                                > > Warm regards,
                                > >
                                > > Sumant Joshi
                                > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                > 40gmail.com>>
                                > > wrote:
                                > >
                                > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Dear friend,
                                > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If
                                > this
                                > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover
                                > > of
                                > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                > biodiversity
                                > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                > > Thanks
                                > > Raju
                                > >
                                > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                > > >
                                > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
                                > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land
                                > > from
                                > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
                                > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
                                > > some
                                > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                                > > quickly
                                > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                                > > remember
                                > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                > initially
                                > > we
                                > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                                > > reduced.
                                > > >
                                > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
                                > > land
                                > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to
                                > the
                                > > > failures..
                                > > >
                                > > > Regards,
                                > > > Nandan
                                > > >
                                > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                > 40gmail.com>
                                > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                > > > wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                                > ><rajuktitus%
                                > > 40gmail.com>>
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com
                                > ><fukuoka_farming%
                                > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Dear Nandan,
                                > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                                > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can
                                > be
                                > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
                                > > > cover
                                > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                                > > > fertile
                                > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                > therefore
                                > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                                > > > ground
                                > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                                > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                > organism
                                > > in
                                > > > the soil.
                                > > > Thanks
                                > > > Raju
                                > > >
                                > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                > > 40yahoo.com>
                                > > > > wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing
                                > the
                                > > > > results.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly
                                > when
                                > > > you
                                > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take
                                > > at
                                > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                > farming.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Regards,
                                > > > > Nandan
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                                > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                > > >
                                > > > > wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com
                                > ><offtown%
                                > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                                > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Hi !
                                > > > >
                                > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at
                                > me
                                > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                                > > anything
                                > > > we
                                > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                                > > > farming.
                                > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                                > without
                                > > > use
                                > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have
                                > my
                                > > > > field
                                > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of
                                > the
                                > > > rice
                                > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
                                > > > which
                                > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                                > > > mental
                                > > > > block of tilling.
                                > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming
                                > by
                                > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
                                > > ,turn
                                > > > up
                                > > > > to no till farming.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Boovarahan S
                                > > > >
                                > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                > >
                                > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
                                > > easily
                                > > > > for
                                > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be
                                > > done
                                > > > > then
                                > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                                > mulching
                                > > > has
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
                                > > clear
                                > > > > and
                                > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Regards,
                                > > > > > Nandan
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                                > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                > > > > > wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%
                                > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                > > >
                                > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                                > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                > > >
                                > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                                > > breaking
                                > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                                > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                > > > > > wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                > > > > > > NPR
                                > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are
                                > left
                                > > > > alone
                                > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                                > > > potent
                                > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                > > > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > --
                                > > > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                                > > > > > > +919179738049.
                                > > > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                                > > > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                                > > > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                                > > > > > >
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                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > >
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                              • Nandan Palaparambil
                                True, I remember some statements in One Straw Revolution which recommends some composting,weeding or pruning in the transition from chemical to natural
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                                  True, I remember some statements in 'One Straw Revolution' which recommends some composting,weeding or pruning in the transition from chemical to natural farming.

                                  Each statement by Fukuoka san in 'One Straw Revolution' is coming from experience and is important.


                                  I don't make any compost, but I don't live on farming. People who completely depend on farming for a living, speed with which the conversion happen also is important. Also if we pass on some information and they don't see that happening, they will never come back to natural farming.

                                  If we want to bring common farmers to natural farming we should have some good models for each region which they can directly follow.



                                  Regards,
                                  Nandan

                                  --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...> wrote:

                                  From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                  To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 8:38 AM







                                   









                                  Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick mulching

                                  alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous

                                  chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /

                                  animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?



                                  Boovarahan S



                                  On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:



                                  > Dear friend,

                                  > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.

                                  > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can

                                  > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not easy

                                  > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.

                                  > Thanks

                                  > Raju

                                  >

                                  > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:

                                  >

                                  > >

                                  > >

                                  > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil

                                  > is

                                  > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.

                                  > >

                                  > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone

                                  > >

                                  > > Warm regards,

                                  > >

                                  > > Sumant Joshi

                                  > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161

                                  > >

                                  > >

                                  > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%

                                  > 40gmail.com>>

                                  > > wrote:

                                  > >

                                  > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>

                                  > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming

                                  > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>

                                  > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM

                                  > >

                                  > >

                                  > > Dear friend,

                                  > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If

                                  > this

                                  > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover

                                  > > of

                                  > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This

                                  > biodiversity

                                  > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.

                                  > > Thanks

                                  > > Raju

                                  > >

                                  > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <

                                  > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>> wrote:

                                  > >

                                  > > >

                                  > > >

                                  > > > Dear Raju sir,

                                  > > >

                                  > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals

                                  > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land

                                  > > from

                                  > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the

                                  > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give

                                  > > some

                                  > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover

                                  > > quickly

                                  > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I

                                  > > remember

                                  > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that

                                  > initially

                                  > > we

                                  > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be

                                  > > reduced.

                                  > > >

                                  > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting

                                  > > land

                                  > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to

                                  > the

                                  > > > failures..

                                  > > >

                                  > > > Regards,

                                  > > > Nandan

                                  > > >

                                  > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%

                                  > 40gmail.com>

                                  > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>

                                  > > > wrote:

                                  > > >

                                  > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com

                                  > ><rajuktitus%

                                  > > 40gmail.com>>

                                  > >

                                  > > >

                                  > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming

                                  > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com

                                  > ><fukuoka_farming%

                                  > > 40yahoogroups.com>

                                  > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM

                                  > > >

                                  > > >

                                  > > > Dear Nandan,

                                  > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having

                                  > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can

                                  > be

                                  > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green

                                  > > > cover

                                  > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and

                                  > > > fertile

                                  > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things

                                  > therefore

                                  > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of

                                  > > > ground

                                  > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,

                                  > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of

                                  > organism

                                  > > in

                                  > > > the soil.

                                  > > > Thanks

                                  > > > Raju

                                  > > >

                                  > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <

                                  > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%

                                  > > 40yahoo.com>

                                  > > > > wrote:

                                  > > >

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing

                                  > the

                                  > > > > results.

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly

                                  > when

                                  > > > you

                                  > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take

                                  > > at

                                  > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural

                                  > farming.

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > > Regards,

                                  > > > > Nandan

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...

                                  > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                                  > > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                                  > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>

                                  > > >

                                  > > > > wrote:

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com

                                  > ><offtown%

                                  > > 40gmail.com><offtown%

                                  > > > 40gmail.com>>

                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming

                                  > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%

                                  > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%

                                  > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%

                                  > > > 40yahoogroups.com>

                                  > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > > Hi !

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at

                                  > me

                                  > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.

                                  > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and

                                  > > anything

                                  > > > we

                                  > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.

                                  > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till

                                  > > > farming.

                                  > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants

                                  > without

                                  > > > use

                                  > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have

                                  > my

                                  > > > > field

                                  > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of

                                  > the

                                  > > > rice

                                  > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest

                                  > > > which

                                  > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .

                                  > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old

                                  > > > mental

                                  > > > > block of tilling.

                                  > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming

                                  > by

                                  > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all

                                  > > ,turn

                                  > > > up

                                  > > > > to no till farming.

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > > Boovarahan S

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil

                                  > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%

                                  > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%

                                  > >

                                  > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:

                                  > > >

                                  > > > >

                                  > > > > >

                                  > > > > >

                                  > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done

                                  > > easily

                                  > > > > for

                                  > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be

                                  > > done

                                  > > > > then

                                  > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional

                                  > mulching

                                  > > > has

                                  > > > > to

                                  > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very

                                  > > clear

                                  > > > > and

                                  > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.

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                                  > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM

                                  > > > > >

                                  > > > > >

                                  > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.

                                  > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land

                                  > > breaking

                                  > > > > > machines sooner than later.

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                                  > > > > > >

                                  > > > > > >

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                                  > > > > > > NPR

                                  > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are

                                  > left

                                  > > > > alone

                                  > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a

                                  > > > potent

                                  > > > > > > greenhouse ...

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                                • Raju Titus
                                  Dear friend, Destructive effect is mainly by Tilling and killing and as soon as we stop killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result.
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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                                    Dear friend,
                                    Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we stop
                                    killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There is
                                    no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer. Both
                                    reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is harmless.
                                    It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture and
                                    provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                                    animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                    thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                                    tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills biodiversity
                                    of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                    animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                                    exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is against
                                    of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming and
                                    true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping trees
                                    for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine is
                                    naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and home
                                    waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                    Thanks
                                    Raju
                                    On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>wrote:

                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                    > mulching
                                    > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                                    > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /
                                    > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?
                                    >
                                    > Boovarahan S
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                    > wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > Dear friend,
                                    > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                    > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
                                    > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not
                                    > easy
                                    > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                    > > Thanks
                                    > > Raju
                                    > >
                                    > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil
                                    > > is
                                    > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Warm regards,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Sumant Joshi
                                    > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                    > <rajuktitus%
                                    >
                                    > > 40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                    > 40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                    > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                    > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Dear friend,
                                    > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If
                                    > > this
                                    > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                                    > cover
                                    > > > of
                                    > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                    > > biodiversity
                                    > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                    > > > Thanks
                                    > > > Raju
                                    > > >
                                    > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                    > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                    > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                    > chemicals
                                    > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert
                                    > land
                                    > > > from
                                    > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for
                                    > the
                                    > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
                                    > > > some
                                    > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                                    > > > quickly
                                    > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                                    > > > remember
                                    > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                    > > initially
                                    > > > we
                                    > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                                    > > > reduced.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
                                    > > > land
                                    > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to
                                    > > the
                                    > > > > failures..
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Regards,
                                    > > > > Nandan
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                    > <rajuktitus%
                                    > > 40gmail.com>
                                    > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > > wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                    > 40gmail.com
                                    > > ><rajuktitus%
                                    > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                    > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                    > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                    > 40yahoogroups.com
                                    > > ><fukuoka_farming%
                                    > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                    > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                                    > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can
                                    > > be
                                    > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                                    > green
                                    > > > > cover
                                    > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                                    > > > > fertile
                                    > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                    > > therefore
                                    > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                                    > > > > ground
                                    > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                                    > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                    > > organism
                                    > > > in
                                    > > > > the soil.
                                    > > > > Thanks
                                    > > > > Raju
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                    > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                    > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                    >
                                    > > > 40yahoo.com>
                                    > > > > > wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing
                                    > > the
                                    > > > > > results.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly
                                    > > when
                                    > > > > you
                                    > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It
                                    > take
                                    > > > at
                                    > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                    > > farming.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Regards,
                                    > > > > > Nandan
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                    > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                    > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                    > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > wrote:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                    > 40gmail.com
                                    > > ><offtown%
                                    > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                    > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                    > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > <fukuoka_farming%
                                    > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
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                                    > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Hi !
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh
                                    > at
                                    > > me
                                    > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                    > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                                    > > > anything
                                    > > > > we
                                    > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                    > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                                    > > > > farming.
                                    > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                                    > > without
                                    > > > > use
                                    > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have
                                    > > my
                                    > > > > > field
                                    > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of
                                    > > the
                                    > > > > rice
                                    > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                                    > harvest
                                    > > > > which
                                    > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                    > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                                    > > > > mental
                                    > > > > > block of tilling.
                                    > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming
                                    > > by
                                    > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
                                    > > > ,turn
                                    > > > > up
                                    > > > > > to no till farming.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                    > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                    > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                    > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                    > > >
                                    > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
                                    > > > easily
                                    > > > > > for
                                    > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to
                                    > be
                                    > > > done
                                    > > > > > then
                                    > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                                    > > mulching
                                    > > > > has
                                    > > > > > to
                                    > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
                                    > > > clear
                                    > > > > > and
                                    > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Regards,
                                    > > > > > > Nandan
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                    > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
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                                    > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > > > > wrote:
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                    > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                    > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                    > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
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                                    > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                    > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                    > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                    > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                                    > > > breaking
                                    > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                    > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                    > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                    > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                    > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > > > > wrote:
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                    > > > > > > > NPR
                                    > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are
                                    > > left
                                    > > > > > alone
                                    > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                                    > > > > potent
                                    > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                    > > > > > > > <
                                    > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                    > > > > > > >
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                                  • Nandan Palaparambil
                                    Dear Raju sir, I don t really get this.. There is no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer . Also I don t find any problem in
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Jan 12, 2011
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                                      Dear Raju sir,

                                      I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer".

                                      Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to another.

                                      Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its true sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not possible.


                                      Regards,
                                      Nandan

                                      --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                                      From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                      To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM

                                      Dear friend,
                                      Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we stop
                                      killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There is
                                      no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer. Both
                                      reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is harmless.
                                      It allow rain water to go in side the land,  hold vapors for moisture and
                                      provide air,sun and shade  for biodiversity to work.  I am keeping milch
                                      animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                      thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                                      tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills biodiversity
                                      of the soil.  People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                      animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece  of land is
                                      exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is against
                                      of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming and
                                      true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping trees
                                      for  fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field  dung and urine is
                                      naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant  some dung and home
                                      waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                      Thanks
                                      Raju
                                      On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>wrote:

                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                      > mulching
                                      > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                                      > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /
                                      > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?
                                      >
                                      > Boovarahan S
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                      > wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > Dear friend,
                                      > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                      > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
                                      > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not
                                      > easy
                                      > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                      > > Thanks
                                      > > Raju
                                      > >
                                      > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                      > wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil
                                      > > is
                                      > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Warm regards,
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Sumant Joshi
                                      > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                      > <rajuktitus%
                                      >
                                      > > 40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                      > 40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                      > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                      > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Dear friend,
                                      > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If
                                      > > this
                                      > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                                      > cover
                                      > > > of
                                      > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                      > > biodiversity
                                      > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                      > > > Thanks
                                      > > > Raju
                                      > > >
                                      > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                      > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                      > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                      > chemicals
                                      > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert
                                      > land
                                      > > > from
                                      > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for
                                      > the
                                      > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
                                      > > > some
                                      > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                                      > > > quickly
                                      > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                                      > > > remember
                                      > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                      > > initially
                                      > > > we
                                      > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                                      > > > reduced.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
                                      > > > land
                                      > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to
                                      > > the
                                      > > > > failures..
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Regards,
                                      > > > > Nandan
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                      > <rajuktitus%
                                      > > 40gmail.com>
                                      > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                      > 40gmail.com
                                      > > ><rajuktitus%
                                      > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                      > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                      > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                      > 40yahoogroups.com
                                      > > ><fukuoka_farming%
                                      > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                      > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                                      > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can
                                      > > be
                                      > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                                      > green
                                      > > > > cover
                                      > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                                      > > > > fertile
                                      > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                      > > therefore
                                      > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                                      > > > > ground
                                      > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                                      > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                      > > organism
                                      > > > in
                                      > > > > the soil.
                                      > > > > Thanks
                                      > > > > Raju
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                      > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                      > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                      >
                                      > > > 40yahoo.com>
                                      > > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing
                                      > > the
                                      > > > > > results.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly
                                      > > when
                                      > > > > you
                                      > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It
                                      > take
                                      > > > at
                                      > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                      > > farming.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Regards,
                                      > > > > > Nandan
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                      > 40gmail.com
                                      > > ><offtown%
                                      > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                      > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                      > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > <fukuoka_farming%
                                      > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
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                                      > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Hi !
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh
                                      > at
                                      > > me
                                      > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                      > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                                      > > > anything
                                      > > > > we
                                      > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                      > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                                      > > > > farming.
                                      > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                                      > > without
                                      > > > > use
                                      > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have
                                      > > my
                                      > > > > > field
                                      > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of
                                      > > the
                                      > > > > rice
                                      > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                                      > harvest
                                      > > > > which
                                      > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                      > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                                      > > > > mental
                                      > > > > > block of tilling.
                                      > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming
                                      > > by
                                      > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
                                      > > > ,turn
                                      > > > > up
                                      > > > > > to no till farming.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                      > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                      > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                      > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                      > > >
                                      > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
                                      > > > easily
                                      > > > > > for
                                      > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to
                                      > be
                                      > > > done
                                      > > > > > then
                                      > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                                      > > mulching
                                      > > > > has
                                      > > > > > to
                                      > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
                                      > > > clear
                                      > > > > > and
                                      > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Regards,
                                      > > > > > > Nandan
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                      > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                      > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                      > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                      > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > <fukuoka_farming%
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                                      > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                      > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
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                                      > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                      > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                                      > > > breaking
                                      > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                      > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
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                                      > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                      > > > > > > > NPR
                                      > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are
                                      > > left
                                      > > > > > alone
                                      > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                                      > > > > potent
                                      > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                      > > > > > > > <
                                      > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                      > > > > > > >
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                                    • Raju Titus
                                      Dear Nandan, I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Jan 12, 2011
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                                        Dear Nandan,
                                        I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base
                                        fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit soil
                                        and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                                        killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base farming
                                        methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                                        Raju

                                        On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <p_k_nandanan@...
                                        > wrote:

                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Dear Raju sir,
                                        >
                                        > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea and
                                        > man made urine base fertilizer".
                                        >
                                        > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                                        > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                                        > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                                        > another.
                                        >
                                        > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                                        > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its true
                                        > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not
                                        > possible.
                                        >
                                        > Regards,
                                        > Nandan
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                        > wrote:
                                        >
                                        > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                        > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                        > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Dear friend,
                                        > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we
                                        > stop
                                        > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There is
                                        > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer.
                                        > Both
                                        > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is harmless.
                                        > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture and
                                        > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                                        > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                        > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                                        > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills biodiversity
                                        > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                        > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                                        > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is against
                                        > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming and
                                        > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping
                                        > trees
                                        > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine is
                                        > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and home
                                        > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                        > Thanks
                                        > Raju
                                        > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                        > >wrote:
                                        >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                        > > mulching
                                        > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                                        > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine
                                        > /
                                        > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?
                                        > >
                                        > > Boovarahan S
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                        > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                        >
                                        > > wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > Dear friend,
                                        > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                        > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop
                                        > can
                                        > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not
                                        > > easy
                                        > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                        > > > Thanks
                                        > > > Raju
                                        > > >
                                        > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                        > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                        >
                                        > > wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the
                                        > soil
                                        > > > is
                                        > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                                        > quickly.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Warm regards,
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Sumant Joshi
                                        > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                        > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                        > > <rajuktitus%
                                        > >
                                        > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                        > > > > wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                        > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                        > > 40gmail.com>>
                                        > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                        > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                        > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Dear friend,
                                        > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects.
                                        > If
                                        > > > this
                                        > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                                        > > cover
                                        > > > > of
                                        > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                        > > > biodiversity
                                        > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                        > > > > Thanks
                                        > > > > Raju
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                        > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                        > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                        >
                                        > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                        > > chemicals
                                        > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert
                                        > > land
                                        > > > > from
                                        > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for
                                        > > the
                                        > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to
                                        > give
                                        > > > > some
                                        > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                                        > > > > quickly
                                        > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                                        > > > > remember
                                        > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                        > > > initially
                                        > > > > we
                                        > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                                        > > > > reduced.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                                        > converting
                                        > > > > land
                                        > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress
                                        > to
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > > failures..
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Regards,
                                        > > > > > Nandan
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                        > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                        > > <rajuktitus%
                                        > > > 40gmail.com>
                                        > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                        > > > > > wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                        > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                        > > 40gmail.com
                                        > > > ><rajuktitus%
                                        > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                        > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                        > > 40yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > ><fukuoka_farming%
                                        > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                        > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                                        > having
                                        > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc.
                                        > can
                                        > > > be
                                        > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                                        > > green
                                        > > > > > cover
                                        > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist
                                        > and
                                        > > > > > fertile
                                        > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                        > > > therefore
                                        > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade
                                        > of
                                        > > > > > ground
                                        > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                                        > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                        > > > organism
                                        > > > > in
                                        > > > > > the soil.
                                        > > > > > Thanks
                                        > > > > > Raju
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                        > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                        > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                        > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                        > >
                                        > > > > 40yahoo.com>
                                        > > > > > > wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                                        > seeing
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > > > results.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                                        > suddenly
                                        > > > when
                                        > > > > > you
                                        > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It
                                        > > take
                                        > > > > at
                                        > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                        > > > farming.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Regards,
                                        > > > > > > Nandan
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                        > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                        > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                        > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                        > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > wrote:
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                        > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                        > > 40gmail.com
                                        > > > ><offtown%
                                        > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                        > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                        > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                        > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > <fukuoka_farming%
                                        > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                        > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                        > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Hi !
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh
                                        > > at
                                        > > > me
                                        > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                        > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                                        > > > > anything
                                        > > > > > we
                                        > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                        > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no
                                        > till
                                        > > > > > farming.
                                        > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                                        > > > without
                                        > > > > > use
                                        > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I
                                        > have
                                        > > > my
                                        > > > > > > field
                                        > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth
                                        > of
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > > rice
                                        > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                                        > > harvest
                                        > > > > > which
                                        > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                        > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries'
                                        > old
                                        > > > > > mental
                                        > > > > > > block of tilling.
                                        > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                                        > farming
                                        > > > by
                                        > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not
                                        > all
                                        > > > > ,turn
                                        > > > > > up
                                        > > > > > > to no till farming.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                        > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com><p_k_nandanan%
                                        > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                        > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                        > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be
                                        > done
                                        > > > > easily
                                        > > > > > > for
                                        > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to
                                        > > be
                                        > > > > done
                                        > > > > > > then
                                        > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                                        > > > mulching
                                        > > > > > has
                                        > > > > > > to
                                        > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be
                                        > very
                                        > > > > clear
                                        > > > > > > and
                                        > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > Regards,
                                        > > > > > > > Nandan
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                        > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                        > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
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                                        > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                        > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                        > > > > > > > wrote:
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                        > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                        > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                        > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
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                                        > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                        > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                        > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                        > > <fukuoka_farming%
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                                        > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                        > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                                        > > > > breaking
                                        > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <
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                                        > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                        > > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                        > > > > > > > wrote:
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                        > > > > > > > > NPR
                                        > > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields
                                        > are
                                        > > > left
                                        > > > > > > alone
                                        > > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of
                                        > a
                                        > > > > > potent
                                        > > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                        > > > > > > > > <
                                        > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                        > > > > > > > >
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                                      • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                                        Dear Raju sir, There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright. The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the speed
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Jan 12, 2011
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                                          Dear Raju sir,

                                          There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright.
                                          The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the speed
                                          of establishing a healthy micro climate for the micro organisms to thrive
                                          in.
                                          As you have rightly said the low amount of cow dung available in the farms
                                          due to cattle grazing is enough to induce micro organisms to become active .
                                          I think that is what you are doing in your farm. Same is the case in forests
                                          where the cattle droppings serve the purpose. Of course there is no need of
                                          a catalyst in a forest.
                                          I think so much of fuss is made on making nitogen availability to the
                                          plants.
                                          After all more than 70 percent of air is occupied ny nitrogen and just a
                                          little of this is needed by the crops for their growth which is sufficiently
                                          provided by legume cover. The question is about the need of other nutrients
                                          besides nitrogen and the part of micro organisms in providing them to the
                                          plants.

                                          Hope I have understood right!.

                                          Regards.

                                          Boovarahan S

                                          On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                                          > Dear Nandan,
                                          > I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base
                                          > fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit soil
                                          > and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                                          > killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base
                                          > farming
                                          > methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                                          > Raju
                                          >
                                          > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                          > p_k_nandanan@...
                                          > > wrote:
                                          >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > Dear Raju sir,
                                          > >
                                          > > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea
                                          > and
                                          > > man made urine base fertilizer".
                                          > >
                                          > > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                                          > > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                                          > > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                                          > > another.
                                          > >
                                          > > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                                          > > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its true
                                          > > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not
                                          > > possible.
                                          > >
                                          > > Regards,
                                          > > Nandan
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                          > 40gmail.com>>
                                          > > wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                          > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                          > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > Dear friend,
                                          > > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we
                                          > > stop
                                          > > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There
                                          > is
                                          > > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer.
                                          > > Both
                                          > > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is
                                          > harmless.
                                          > > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture and
                                          > > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                                          > > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                          > > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                                          > > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills
                                          > biodiversity
                                          > > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                          > > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                                          > > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is
                                          > against
                                          > > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming
                                          > and
                                          > > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping
                                          > > trees
                                          > > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine
                                          > is
                                          > > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and
                                          > home
                                          > > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                          > > Thanks
                                          > > Raju
                                          > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                                          > offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > >wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                          > > > mulching
                                          > > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of
                                          > previous
                                          > > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung /
                                          > urine
                                          > > /
                                          > > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process
                                          > ?
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Boovarahan S
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                                          > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                          > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                          > >
                                          > > > wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > Dear friend,
                                          > > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                          > > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop
                                          > > can
                                          > > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is
                                          > not
                                          > > > easy
                                          > > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                          > > > > Thanks
                                          > > > > Raju
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...
                                          > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                          > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                          > >
                                          > > > wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the
                                          > > soil
                                          > > > > is
                                          > > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                                          > > quickly.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Warm regards,
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Sumant Joshi
                                          > > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                          > 40gmail.com>
                                          > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                          > > > <rajuktitus%
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                                          > ><rajuktitus%
                                          > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                          > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                          > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Dear friend,
                                          > > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects.
                                          > > If
                                          > > > > this
                                          > > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                                          > > > cover
                                          > > > > > of
                                          > > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                          > > > > biodiversity
                                          > > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                          > > > > > Thanks
                                          > > > > > Raju
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                          > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > >
                                          > > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                          > > > chemicals
                                          > > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to
                                          > convert
                                          > > > land
                                          > > > > > from
                                          > > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss
                                          > for
                                          > > > the
                                          > > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to
                                          > > give
                                          > > > > > some
                                          > > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land
                                          > recover
                                          > > > > > quickly
                                          > > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs.
                                          > I
                                          > > > > > remember
                                          > > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                          > > > > initially
                                          > > > > > we
                                          > > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                                          > > > > > reduced.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                                          > > converting
                                          > > > > > land
                                          > > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a
                                          > stress
                                          > > to
                                          > > > > the
                                          > > > > > > failures..
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Regards,
                                          > > > > > > Nandan
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                          > 40gmail.com>
                                          > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                          > > > <rajuktitus%
                                          > > > > 40gmail.com>
                                          > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                                          > ><rajuktitus%
                                          > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                          > > > 40gmail.com
                                          > > > > ><rajuktitus%
                                          > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                          > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > > 40yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > > ><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                          > > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                                          > > having
                                          > > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc.
                                          > > can
                                          > > > > be
                                          > > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                                          > > > green
                                          > > > > > > cover
                                          > > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist
                                          > > and
                                          > > > > > > fertile
                                          > > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                          > > > > therefore
                                          > > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide
                                          > shade
                                          > > of
                                          > > > > > > ground
                                          > > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding
                                          > capacity,
                                          > > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                          > > > > organism
                                          > > > > > in
                                          > > > > > > the soil.
                                          > > > > > > Thanks
                                          > > > > > > Raju
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                          > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > > 40yahoo.com>
                                          > > > > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                                          > > seeing
                                          > > > > the
                                          > > > > > > > results.
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                                          > > suddenly
                                          > > > > when
                                          > > > > > > you
                                          > > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises.
                                          > It
                                          > > > take
                                          > > > > > at
                                          > > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                          > > > > farming.
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > Regards,
                                          > > > > > > > Nandan
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                                          > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%
                                          > 40gmail.com>
                                          > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                          > > > 40gmail.com
                                          > > > > ><offtown%
                                          > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                          > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                          > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > <fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > Hi !
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to
                                          > laugh
                                          > > > at
                                          > > > > me
                                          > > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                          > > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                                          > > > > > anything
                                          > > > > > > we
                                          > > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                          > > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no
                                          > > till
                                          > > > > > > farming.
                                          > > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                                          > > > > without
                                          > > > > > > use
                                          > > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I
                                          > > have
                                          > > > > my
                                          > > > > > > > field
                                          > > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth
                                          > > of
                                          > > > > the
                                          > > > > > > rice
                                          > > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                                          > > > harvest
                                          > > > > > > which
                                          > > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                          > > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries'
                                          > > old
                                          > > > > > > mental
                                          > > > > > > > block of tilling.
                                          > > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                                          > > farming
                                          > > > > by
                                          > > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not
                                          > > all
                                          > > > > > ,turn
                                          > > > > > > up
                                          > > > > > > > to no till farming.
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                          > > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com
                                          > ><p_k_nandanan%
                                          > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be
                                          > > done
                                          > > > > > easily
                                          > > > > > > > for
                                          > > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has
                                          > to
                                          > > > be
                                          > > > > > done
                                          > > > > > > > then
                                          > > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                                          > > > > mulching
                                          > > > > > > has
                                          > > > > > > > to
                                          > > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be
                                          > > very
                                          > > > > > clear
                                          > > > > > > > and
                                          > > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                          > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                                          > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
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                                          > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%
                                          > 40gmail.com>
                                          > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                          > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
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                                          > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                          > > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and
                                          > land
                                          > > > > > breaking
                                          > > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <
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                                          > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                          > > > > > > > > > NPR
                                          > > > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields
                                          > > are
                                          > > > > left
                                          > > > > > > > alone
                                          > > > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts
                                          > of
                                          > > a
                                          > > > > > > potent
                                          > > > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                          > > > > > > > > > <
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                                          > > > > > > > > >
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                                          http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/h7efnuDA3FPU671omOAjhA?feat=directlink Dear friend, Find answer in above link. Thanks Raju ... -- Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.
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                                            http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/h7efnuDA3FPU671omOAjhA?feat=directlink
                                            Dear friend,
                                            Find answer in above link.
                                            Thanks
                                            Raju

                                            On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>wrote:

                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Dear Raju sir,
                                            >
                                            > There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright.
                                            > The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the speed
                                            > of establishing a healthy micro climate for the micro organisms to thrive
                                            > in.
                                            > As you have rightly said the low amount of cow dung available in the farms
                                            > due to cattle grazing is enough to induce micro organisms to become active
                                            > .
                                            > I think that is what you are doing in your farm. Same is the case in
                                            > forests
                                            > where the cattle droppings serve the purpose. Of course there is no need of
                                            > a catalyst in a forest.
                                            > I think so much of fuss is made on making nitogen availability to the
                                            > plants.
                                            > After all more than 70 percent of air is occupied ny nitrogen and just a
                                            > little of this is needed by the crops for their growth which is
                                            > sufficiently
                                            > provided by legume cover. The question is about the need of other nutrients
                                            > besides nitrogen and the part of micro organisms in providing them to the
                                            > plants.
                                            >
                                            > Hope I have understood right!.
                                            >
                                            > Regards.
                                            >
                                            > Boovarahan S
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                            > wrote:
                                            >
                                            > > Dear Nandan,
                                            > > I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base
                                            > > fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit
                                            > soil
                                            > > and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                                            > > killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base
                                            > > farming
                                            > > methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                                            > > Raju
                                            > >
                                            > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                            > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                                            > > > wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                            > > >
                                            > > > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea
                                            > > and
                                            > > > man made urine base fertilizer".
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                                            > > > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                                            > > > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                                            > > > another.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                                            > > > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its
                                            > true
                                            > > > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not
                                            > > > possible.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Regards,
                                            > > > Nandan
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > <rajuktitus%
                                            >
                                            > > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                            > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                            > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Dear friend,
                                            > > > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we
                                            > > > stop
                                            > > > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There
                                            > > is
                                            > > > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer.
                                            > > > Both
                                            > > > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is
                                            > > harmless.
                                            > > > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture
                                            > and
                                            > > > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                                            > > > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                            > > > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                                            > > > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills
                                            > > biodiversity
                                            > > > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                            > > > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                                            > > > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is
                                            > > against
                                            > > > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming
                                            > > and
                                            > > > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping
                                            > > > trees
                                            > > > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine
                                            > > is
                                            > > > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and
                                            > > home
                                            > > > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                            > > > Thanks
                                            > > > Raju
                                            > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                                            > > offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            >
                                            > > > >wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                            > > > > mulching
                                            > > > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of
                                            > > previous
                                            > > > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung /
                                            > > urine
                                            > > > /
                                            > > > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the
                                            > process
                                            > > ?
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Boovarahan S
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > > Dear friend,
                                            > > > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                            > > > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover
                                            > crop
                                            > > > can
                                            > > > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is
                                            > > not
                                            > > > > easy
                                            > > > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                            > > > > > Thanks
                                            > > > > > Raju
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                            > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                            > > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if
                                            > the
                                            > > > soil
                                            > > > > > is
                                            > > > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                                            > > > quickly.
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Warm regards,
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Sumant Joshi
                                            > > > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > <rajuktitus%
                                            > > 40gmail.com>
                                            > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > <rajuktitus%
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                            > 40gmail.com
                                            > > ><rajuktitus%
                                            > > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                            > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                            > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > <fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Dear friend,
                                            > > > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many
                                            > insects.
                                            > > > If
                                            > > > > > this
                                            > > > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling,
                                            > providing
                                            > > > > cover
                                            > > > > > > of
                                            > > > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                            > > > > > biodiversity
                                            > > > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                            > > > > > > Thanks
                                            > > > > > > Raju
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                            > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                            > > > > chemicals
                                            > > > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to
                                            > > convert
                                            > > > > land
                                            > > > > > > from
                                            > > > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss
                                            > > for
                                            > > > > the
                                            > > > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have
                                            > to
                                            > > > give
                                            > > > > > > some
                                            > > > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land
                                            > > recover
                                            > > > > > > quickly
                                            > > > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional
                                            > inputs.
                                            > > I
                                            > > > > > > remember
                                            > > > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                            > > > > > initially
                                            > > > > > > we
                                            > > > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can
                                            > be
                                            > > > > > > reduced.
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                                            > > > converting
                                            > > > > > > land
                                            > > > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a
                                            > > stress
                                            > > > to
                                            > > > > > the
                                            > > > > > > > failures..
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > Regards,
                                            > > > > > > > Nandan
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > <rajuktitus%
                                            > > 40gmail.com>
                                            > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > <rajuktitus%
                                            > > > > > 40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                            > 40gmail.com
                                            > > ><rajuktitus%
                                            > > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                            > > > > 40gmail.com
                                            > > > > > ><rajuktitus%
                                            > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                            > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > <fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > > 40yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > > > ><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                            > > > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                                            > > > having
                                            > > > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles
                                            > etc.
                                            > > > can
                                            > > > > > be
                                            > > > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing
                                            > sufficient
                                            > > > > green
                                            > > > > > > > cover
                                            > > > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into
                                            > pourus,moist
                                            > > > and
                                            > > > > > > > fertile
                                            > > > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                            > > > > > therefore
                                            > > > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide
                                            > > shade
                                            > > > of
                                            > > > > > > > ground
                                            > > > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding
                                            > > capacity,
                                            > > > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                            > > > > > organism
                                            > > > > > > in
                                            > > > > > > > the soil.
                                            > > > > > > > Thanks
                                            > > > > > > > Raju
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                            > > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com><p_k_nandanan%
                                            > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>
                                            > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                                            > > > seeing
                                            > > > > > the
                                            > > > > > > > > results.
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                                            > > > suddenly
                                            > > > > > when
                                            > > > > > > > you
                                            > > > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises.
                                            > > It
                                            > > > > take
                                            > > > > > > at
                                            > > > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                            > > > > > farming.
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                            > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > <offtown%
                                            > > 40gmail.com>
                                            > > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > > > > 40gmail.com
                                            > > > > > ><offtown%
                                            > > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                            > > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > <fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > <fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > Hi !
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to
                                            > > laugh
                                            > > > > at
                                            > > > > > me
                                            > > > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                            > > > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled
                                            > and
                                            > > > > > > anything
                                            > > > > > > > we
                                            > > > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                            > > > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no
                                            > > > till
                                            > > > > > > > farming.
                                            > > > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of
                                            > plants
                                            > > > > > without
                                            > > > > > > > use
                                            > > > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season
                                            > I
                                            > > > have
                                            > > > > > my
                                            > > > > > > > > field
                                            > > > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The
                                            > growth
                                            > > > of
                                            > > > > > the
                                            > > > > > > > rice
                                            > > > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                                            > > > > harvest
                                            > > > > > > > which
                                            > > > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                            > > > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their
                                            > centuries'
                                            > > > old
                                            > > > > > > > mental
                                            > > > > > > > > block of tilling.
                                            > > > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                                            > > > farming
                                            > > > > > by
                                            > > > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if
                                            > not
                                            > > > all
                                            > > > > > > ,turn
                                            > > > > > > > up
                                            > > > > > > > > to no till farming.
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                            > > > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com><p_k_nandanan%
                                            > 40yahoo.com
                                            > > ><p_k_nandanan%
                                            > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be
                                            > > > done
                                            > > > > > > easily
                                            > > > > > > > > for
                                            > > > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what
                                            > has
                                            > > to
                                            > > > > be
                                            > > > > > > done
                                            > > > > > > > > then
                                            > > > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially
                                            > additional
                                            > > > > > mulching
                                            > > > > > > > has
                                            > > > > > > > > to
                                            > > > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should
                                            > be
                                            > > > very
                                            > > > > > > clear
                                            > > > > > > > > and
                                            > > > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                            > > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                                            > offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > <offtown%
                                            > > 40gmail.com>
                                            > > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > > > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                            > > > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > <fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > <fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                            > > > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and
                                            > > land
                                            > > > > > > breaking
                                            > > > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <
                                            > > > rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com> <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                                            > ><rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                            > > > > > > > > > > NPR
                                            > > > > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which
                                            > fields
                                            > > > are
                                            > > > > > left
                                            > > > > > > > > alone
                                            > > > > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller
                                            > amounts
                                            > > of
                                            > > > a
                                            > > > > > > > potent
                                            > > > > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                            > > > > > > > > > > <
                                            > > > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                            > > > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > > > --
                                            > > > > > > > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                                            > > > > > > > > > > +919179738049.
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                                          • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                                            That puts to rest all my doubts. However I am afraid of the ad effects of Parthenium and would go for some other alternate. Boovarahan S ... [Non-text portions
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                                              That puts to rest all my doubts.
                                              However I am afraid of the ad effects of Parthenium and would go for some
                                              other alternate.

                                              Boovarahan S

                                              On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                                              > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/h7efnuDA3FPU671omOAjhA?feat=directlink
                                              > Dear friend,
                                              > Find answer in above link.
                                              > Thanks
                                              > Raju
                                              >
                                              > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                                              > >wrote:
                                              >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > Dear Raju sir,
                                              > >
                                              > > There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright.
                                              > > The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the
                                              > speed
                                              > > of establishing a healthy micro climate for the micro organisms to thrive
                                              > > in.
                                              > > As you have rightly said the low amount of cow dung available in the
                                              > farms
                                              > > due to cattle grazing is enough to induce micro organisms to become
                                              > active
                                              > > .
                                              > > I think that is what you are doing in your farm. Same is the case in
                                              > > forests
                                              > > where the cattle droppings serve the purpose. Of course there is no need
                                              > of
                                              > > a catalyst in a forest.
                                              > > I think so much of fuss is made on making nitogen availability to the
                                              > > plants.
                                              > > After all more than 70 percent of air is occupied ny nitrogen and just a
                                              > > little of this is needed by the crops for their growth which is
                                              > > sufficiently
                                              > > provided by legume cover. The question is about the need of other
                                              > nutrients
                                              > > besides nitrogen and the part of micro organisms in providing them to the
                                              > > plants.
                                              > >
                                              > > Hope I have understood right!.
                                              > >
                                              > > Regards.
                                              > >
                                              > > Boovarahan S
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                              > > wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > > Dear Nandan,
                                              > > > I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine
                                              > base
                                              > > > fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit
                                              > > soil
                                              > > > and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                                              > > > killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base
                                              > > > farming
                                              > > > methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                                              > > > Raju
                                              > > >
                                              > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                              > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                                              > > > > wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base
                                              > urea
                                              > > > and
                                              > > > > man made urine base fertilizer".
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                                              > > > > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                                              > > > > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                                              > > > > another.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                                              > > > > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its
                                              > > true
                                              > > > > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is
                                              > not
                                              > > > > possible.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Regards,
                                              > > > > Nandan
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                              > 40gmail.com>
                                              > > <rajuktitus%
                                              > >
                                              > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                              > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                                              > ><rajuktitus%
                                              > > 40gmail.com>>
                                              > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                              > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                                              > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                              > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                              > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Dear friend,
                                              > > > > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as
                                              > we
                                              > > > > stop
                                              > > > > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result.
                                              > There
                                              > > > is
                                              > > > > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base
                                              > fertilizer.
                                              > > > > Both
                                              > > > > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is
                                              > > > harmless.
                                              > > > > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture
                                              > > and
                                              > > > > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping
                                              > milch
                                              > > > > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                              > > > > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic
                                              > in
                                              > > > > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills
                                              > > > biodiversity
                                              > > > > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                              > > > > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                                              > > > > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is
                                              > > > against
                                              > > > > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic
                                              > farming
                                              > > > and
                                              > > > > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am
                                              > keeping
                                              > > > > trees
                                              > > > > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and
                                              > urine
                                              > > > is
                                              > > > > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and
                                              > > > home
                                              > > > > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                              > > > > Thanks
                                              > > > > Raju
                                              > > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                                              > > > offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%40gmail.com>
                                              > >
                                              > > > > >wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                              > > > > > mulching
                                              > > > > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of
                                              > > > previous
                                              > > > > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung /
                                              > > > urine
                                              > > > > /
                                              > > > > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the
                                              > > process
                                              > > > ?
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                              > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                              > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Dear friend,
                                              > > > > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                              > > > > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover
                                              > > crop
                                              > > > > can
                                              > > > > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost
                                              > is
                                              > > > not
                                              > > > > > easy
                                              > > > > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                              > > > > > > Thanks
                                              > > > > > > Raju
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <
                                              > sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                              > > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                              > > > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if
                                              > > the
                                              > > > > soil
                                              > > > > > > is
                                              > > > > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                                              > > > > quickly.
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > Warm regards,
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > Sumant Joshi
                                              > > > > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
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                                              > > > > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                                              > ><rajuktitus%
                                              > > 40gmail.com
                                              > > > ><rajuktitus%
                                              > > > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
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                                              > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                              > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                                              > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                              > > <fukuoka_farming%
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                                              > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > Dear friend,
                                              > > > > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many
                                              > > insects.
                                              > > > > If
                                              > > > > > > this
                                              > > > > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling,
                                              > > providing
                                              > > > > > cover
                                              > > > > > > > of
                                              > > > > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                              > > > > > > biodiversity
                                              > > > > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                              > > > > > > > Thanks
                                              > > > > > > > Raju
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                              > > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                                              > <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                              > > > > > chemicals
                                              > > > > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to
                                              > > > convert
                                              > > > > > land
                                              > > > > > > > from
                                              > > > > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much
                                              > loss
                                              > > > for
                                              > > > > > the
                                              > > > > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have
                                              > > to
                                              > > > > give
                                              > > > > > > > some
                                              > > > > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land
                                              > > > recover
                                              > > > > > > > quickly
                                              > > > > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional
                                              > > inputs.
                                              > > > I
                                              > > > > > > > remember
                                              > > > > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                              > > > > > > initially
                                              > > > > > > > we
                                              > > > > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this
                                              > can
                                              > > be
                                              > > > > > > > reduced.
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                                              > > > > converting
                                              > > > > > > > land
                                              > > > > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a
                                              > > > stress
                                              > > > > to
                                              > > > > > > the
                                              > > > > > > > > failures..
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                              > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
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                                              > > > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                              > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                              > > 40gmail.com
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                                              > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                              > > > > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                                              > > > > having
                                              > > > > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles
                                              > > etc.
                                              > > > > can
                                              > > > > > > be
                                              > > > > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing
                                              > > sufficient
                                              > > > > > green
                                              > > > > > > > > cover
                                              > > > > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into
                                              > > pourus,moist
                                              > > > > and
                                              > > > > > > > > fertile
                                              > > > > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these
                                              > things
                                              > > > > > > therefore
                                              > > > > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide
                                              > > > shade
                                              > > > > of
                                              > > > > > > > > ground
                                              > > > > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding
                                              > > > capacity,
                                              > > > > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence
                                              > of
                                              > > > > > > organism
                                              > > > > > > > in
                                              > > > > > > > > the soil.
                                              > > > > > > > > Thanks
                                              > > > > > > > > Raju
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                              > > > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com
                                              > ><p_k_nandanan%
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                                              > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
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                                              > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                                              > > > > seeing
                                              > > > > > > the
                                              > > > > > > > > > results.
                                              > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                                              > > > > suddenly
                                              > > > > > > when
                                              > > > > > > > > you
                                              > > > > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some
                                              > surprises.
                                              > > > It
                                              > > > > > take
                                              > > > > > > > at
                                              > > > > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till
                                              > natural
                                              > > > > > > farming.
                                              > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                              > > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                              > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > >
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                                              > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                              > > > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                                              > 40yahoogroups.com>
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                                              > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                              > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > Hi !
                                              > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to
                                              > > > laugh
                                              > > > > > at
                                              > > > > > > me
                                              > > > > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                              > > > > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled
                                              > > and
                                              > > > > > > > anything
                                              > > > > > > > > we
                                              > > > > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                              > > > > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating
                                              > no
                                              > > > > till
                                              > > > > > > > > farming.
                                              > > > > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of
                                              > > plants
                                              > > > > > > without
                                              > > > > > > > > use
                                              > > > > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current
                                              > season
                                              > > I
                                              > > > > have
                                              > > > > > > my
                                              > > > > > > > > > field
                                              > > > > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The
                                              > > growth
                                              > > > > of
                                              > > > > > > the
                                              > > > > > > > > rice
                                              > > > > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for
                                              > the
                                              > > > > > harvest
                                              > > > > > > > > which
                                              > > > > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                              > > > > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their
                                              > > centuries'
                                              > > > > old
                                              > > > > > > > > mental
                                              > > > > > > > > > block of tilling.
                                              > > > > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                                              > > > > farming
                                              > > > > > > by
                                              > > > > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if
                                              > > not
                                              > > > > all
                                              > > > > > > > ,turn
                                              > > > > > > > > up
                                              > > > > > > > > > to no till farming.
                                              > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                              > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                              > > > > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com
                                              > ><p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > 40yahoo.com
                                              > > > ><p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can
                                              > be
                                              > > > > done
                                              > > > > > > > easily
                                              > > > > > > > > > for
                                              > > > > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what
                                              > > has
                                              > > > to
                                              > > > > > be
                                              > > > > > > > done
                                              > > > > > > > > > then
                                              > > > > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially
                                              > > additional
                                              > > > > > > mulching
                                              > > > > > > > > has
                                              > > > > > > > > > to
                                              > > > > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should
                                              > > be
                                              > > > > very
                                              > > > > > > > clear
                                              > > > > > > > > > and
                                              > > > > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                              > > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                              > > > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                              > > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
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                                              > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
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                                              > > > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%
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                                              > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
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                                              > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                              > > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                              > > > > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and
                                              > > > land
                                              > > > > > > > breaking
                                              > > > > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                              > > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                              > > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <
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                                              > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                              > > > > > > > > > > > NPR
                                              > > > > > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which
                                              > > fields
                                              > > > > are
                                              > > > > > > left
                                              > > > > > > > > > alone
                                              > > > > > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller
                                              > > amounts
                                              > > > of
                                              > > > > a
                                              > > > > > > > > potent
                                              > > > > > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                              > > > > > > > > > > > <
                                              > > > > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                              > > > > > > > > > > >
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