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  • rajutitus lal
    close window No-till farming on the rise Farmers say method saves time, money By JENNIFER CHRISTOS jchristos@journalandcourier.com and RENI WINTER
    Message 1 of 24 , Sep 30, 2006
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      No-till farming on the rise Farmers say method saves time, money
      By JENNIFER CHRISTOS
      jchristos@...
      and RENI WINTER
      rwinter@...
      September 28, 2006
      Two-thirds of soybean fields in Tippecanoe County went untilled this year as a growing number of farmers forego traditional soil preparation for no-till methods.
      Some decided decades ago to stop tilling their land, while others are trying it out for the first time. But all are exploring it for the same reasons -- to test the technique that federal and state agencies claim is not only better for the environment but is easier, cheaper and more time-efficient for the farmer than traditional farming.
      "The yield potential is higher using no-till," said Barry Fisher, Indiana conservation tillage coordinator for the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Natural Resources Conservation Service.
      Fisher and other government and Purdue farming experts recently arranged a four-hour conference at Purdue's Throckmorton Agricultural Center in southern Tippecanoe County to support farmers using no-till and encourage others to try it. Tillage is the No. 1 reason for soil erosion, according to the USDA.
      In 1990, 11 percent of soybean farmers in Tippecanoe County used no-till methods. This year, about 67 percent of county farmers do so on their soybean fields, according to the 2006 county conservation tillage transect survey, a visual survey done in the county each spring.
      Josh Cox, 25, of Lafayette, uses no-till for most of the 650 acres he farms on six properties south of Lafayette and near Dayton and Mulberry. He does so because it's environmentally friendly and it is less expensive, which makes his overall profits higher, he said.
      "I don't have to spend money on depreciable assets like expensive tools and tilling equipment," he said. "It also conserves diesel fuel, requires less labor and uses fewer chemicals."
      While according to the survey only 16 percent of the corn in the county is grown using no-till methods, Cox is among farmers who apply no-till to both his corn and soybean crops. The only drawback is that no-till practices require more intense ground management in terms of sampling and testing for nutrients and temperature to ensure they're optimal.
      "Tilling warms up the soil, so the ground stays cooler longer with no-till," he said. "Since it takes heat and moisture to make seeds germinate, you have to use starter fertilizer and increase its exposure to the sun to get the plants off to a good start."
      He has heard conflicting reports from farmers about the effect the method has on the crop yield.
      "This is my first full year doing no-till with 100 percent of my crops, so I guess I'll find out what the yield is going to do myself," he said.
      Cox learned about no-till farming from his father, Carl, who owned land that the USDA required to be no-till because the soil was considered prone to erosion due to the degree of its slope.
      One financial benefit to the method is the potential for government grant money and other incentives to supplement farming costs.
      The USDA and the state have several programs in place to pay farmers to use no-till and other conservation farming practices. Among them are the federal Conservation Innovation Grants and Conservation Stewardship enhancement grants and the state Soil and Water Conservation District's Best Management Practices cost-share program.
      Chuck Shelby farms about 5,000 acres in Tippecanoe and Montgomery counties. During the past 25 years, he has converted about 80 percent of his crops -- corn, soybeans and wheat -- to no-till.
      "I still have to do a little tillage when I grow corn after corn, or if there are deep trenches in the ground left from tire tracks or animals from the year before," he said.
      He said almost all the farmers he knows have already begun to use no-till methods, at least to some extent.
      No-till farming is not just about not tilling, said Jerry Frankhauser, director of Purdue's Agricultural Centers.
      "The transition may take some time, and involves preparation not only of the soil but of the farm equipment and the farmer's planting calendar as well," Frankhauser said. "It involves a series of steps that start one year before harvest."
      Those steps include spreading the harvest residue evenly across the soil, testing the soil and using an environmentally safe weed-killer before planting in the spring.
      Soil management is a high priority in making no-till efforts successful, according to Steve Sprecher, USDA resource soil scientist.
      Soil that is not tilled may need less in the way of fertilizers because crop residue, including the roots from last year's crops, break down and help provide nutrients. Earthworms also help the process.
      "Earthworms do vertical tillage, allowing water and air to move down into the soil," Sprecher said.
      And while erosion removes nutrients from the soil, reduction in erosion reduces the amount of nutrient loss, which increases the productivity of the soil.
      There are no mandates requiring farmers to use no-till methods, except in areas with highly erodible soil, but many farmers are voluntary switching over, Frankhauser said.
      "A combination of good science and technological advancement in farming equipment," Frankhauser said, "has allowed no-till practices to become more widespread in the past decade." if (!window.print) { document.write('
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    • JSENT
      The farmer who rents the land adjacent to me has had his fields in corn for 3 years straight and plans to continue in corn as long as he can get away with
      Message 2 of 24 , Oct 2, 2006
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        The farmer who rents the land adjacent to me has had his fields in corn for 3 years straight and plans to continue in corn "as long as he can get away with it". He is doing no-till and surprised me to hear this tractor-driver talk about organic matter in the top layer and the benefit to microorganisms and worms. We didn't get to how the spraying may not be organism friendly. Still surprised me to hear such talk. I had read many of these principles in Ploughman's Folly published in the 1940's.


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      • Gloria C. Baikauskas
        I recently read a series of articles online about the MidWestern US states of Kansas and North Dakota...which are the #1 and #2 wheat producing
        Message 3 of 24 , Oct 2, 2006
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          I recently read a series of articles online about the MidWestern US
          states of Kansas and North Dakota...which are the #1 and #2 wheat
          producing states....switching to growing corn to get in on the ethanol
          profits. The problem is that corn needs/takes more water than wheat
          does. Kansas is running out of water in its acquifer...has maybe 20
          years left of water at the present rate of use. It is nearly as bad in
          North Dakota, but farmers are still determined to grow the corn instead
          of wheat which would cause them fewer irrigation problems. Also
          included in the more popular crops are soybeans for the same reason.

          Some of the Kansas farmers tried the old dryland method of farming
          their corn and lost all but about 20% of it. They have mostly gone
          back to irrigation for the corn.

          Foolhardy to me....my opinion...when other crops are more profitable
          and use less valuable water.

          The other thing in the articles was that countries like Argentina, as
          well as other countries around the globe are now growing more wheat of
          their own. I think that is a good thing because I believe in growing
          and consuming as close to home as possible.

          Then I saw an article about a place in Florida that was peddling some
          machines that take water from the air to use in emergencies....or in
          Third World countries where water is often scarce...and wondered why
          the farmers couldn't use something like that, or the old method we have
          discussed here years ago of using the stone pillar things from
          centuries ago that caught water from the vapor belt around the Earth
          instead of the water in the acquifers to irrigate thirsty crops.

          Gloria, Texas


          --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, JSENT <wegrow4@...> wrote:
          >
          > The farmer who rents the land adjacent to me has had his fields in
          corn for 3 years straight and plans to continue in corn "as long as he
          can get away with it". He is doing no-till and surprised me to hear
          this tractor-driver talk about organic matter in the top layer and the
          benefit to microorganisms and worms. We didn't get to how the
          spraying may not be organism friendly. Still surprised me to hear
          such talk. I had read many of these principles in Ploughman's Folly
          published in the 1940's.
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
        • Jeff
          ... US states of Kansas and North Dakota...which are the #1 and #2 wheat producing states....switching to growing corn to get in on the ethanol profits. The
          Message 4 of 24 , Oct 6, 2006
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            > I recently read a series of articles online about the MidWestern
            US states of Kansas and North Dakota...which are the #1 and #2
            wheat producing states....switching to growing corn to get in on the
            ethanol profits. The problem is that corn needs/takes more water
            than wheat does. It is nearly as bad in North Dakota, but farmers
            are still determined to grow the corn instead of wheat which would
            cause them fewer irrigation problems.
            in the more popular crops are soybeans for the same reason.
            >
            my opinion...when other crops are more profitable
            and use less valuable water.
            >
            > the farmers couldn't use something like that, or the old method
            we have discussed here years ago of using the stone pillar things

            HI All

            This is Jeff in North Dakota. I would like to suggest some of the
            complexities facing farmers caught in the industrial mode of
            operation.

            First, Kansas and Nebraska are sucking dry their groundwater in
            order to irrigate corn. This is an absurd practice that should be
            stopped immediately. Nebraska has been doing this for several
            decades, but they are the worst offenders. ANd yes, Kansas following
            suit is even more disturbing.

            That being said, I would like to point out that North Dakota has
            higher crop diversity than any other state in the nation. As far as
            number of crops and percentages of those crops. Second thing I would
            like to point out is that Kansas wheat is soft (winter) bread wheat,
            while North Dakota is red red spring and durum wheat (pasta) which
            have different milling properties. North Dakota wheat is forced to
            compete with subsidized Candian Wheat. Due to provisions in NAFTA.
            In North Dakota, it is no longer profitable for farmers to grow
            spring wheat three out of 5 years.
            Kansas wheat is being switch simply because corn is more
            economically valuable under high yielding conditions , with
            subsidized irrigation.
            In addition to Wheat, North Dakota ranks #1 or #2 in production of
            Sunflowers (oil and edible), flax, barley, and canola. Other
            important crops are soybeans, edible beans, and sugar beets and
            minor crops of potatoes and oats.
            The problem with many of the other crops is they each require
            special equipment to harvest and plant, and manage. Corn has always
            been in the rotation, so everyone has the equipment, but not all
            farmers have the equipment necessary for crops that have recently
            developed or have been of minor importance (flax, canola,
            and'sunflowers') Edible beans is limited by availablity of contract
            buyers as is the subsidized sugar beet industry. Barley is a gamble:
            on good years malting barley (for beer) pays good money, but if the
            barley is substandard it goes for an eighth of the price, and the
            farmers lose money. Malting barley is not always an easy standard to
            meet, and often involves luck of the draw.
            Soybeans, are highly profitable becuase of lowered herbicide and
            fertilizer costs. Corn is on the other end, high imput , high yield.
            Crop failure in corn is devastating. Hence the need for constant
            emergency aid to farmers who are forced by market factors into
            putting too many eggs in one basket.
            Another thing about North Dakota corn is LESS than 10% of the corn
            is irrigated. And the parts that are irrigated are irrigated largely
            from surface water, not ground water. So the corn situation in North
            Dakota is more more sustainable than else where: in part because of
            the diverse crop rotations on most farms.

            On a final note, researchers from U or Minnesota, North Dakota
            State, are working with drought resistant varieties from the New
            Mexico area (from the Zuni and HOpi tribes). With modern gene
            marking techniques they expect a highly drought resistant variety in
            6 to 10 years. They expect that this corn will only lose 10% in a
            drought year versus 50%+ now. Which if adopted could change the
            irrigation problem on its head....
            However many farmers are slow to adapt, and it may take a generation
            or better before they adapt new policies.
          • Gloria C. Baikauskas
            Thanks for all of that information, Jeff. I do hope it doesn t take a generation, or more, for those changes to occur. I do realize that farmers are
            Message 5 of 24 , Oct 7, 2006
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              Thanks for all of that information, Jeff. I do hope it doesn't take
              a generation, or more, for those changes to occur. I do realize that
              farmers are creatures of habit and do not like change.

              Have you seen the news stories on the Carbon Credit system in place
              in Wisconsin, as well as some other areas where farmers are given
              credits in return for not tilling? I am told Illinois uses it as
              well to help fund the reclamation of forest preserves <returning them
              to native only plants to promote better overall health, etc,>.

              Is North Dakota perhaps also looking into this program, or maybe has
              it already in operation?

              I finally have my hands on "Rainwater Harvesting for Drylands," by
              Brad Lancaster who wrote of the "Man Who Farms Water" in our archived
              messages from the U of ARizona website on Mr. Phirri in Zimbabwe. I
              have just Volume I so far and have only just started reading it. Mr.
              Lancaster took what he learned from Mr. Phirri and applied it to the
              Tuscon, Arizona, area where he lives. He is also a great advocate of
              Permaculture and mentions Fukuoka. Have you read this yet?

              I never really thought about how much the way we lay out our
              <especially urban> landscapes wastes water...particularly things like
              pavement and slope. I have dug swales before in the manner of Mr.
              Phirri with serpentine shapes, or in succession to collect rainwater
              as it moves down the property to slow it down. I have far more to
              do.

              Gloria, Texas

              --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <shultonus@...> wrote:
              > HI All
              >
              > This is Jeff in North Dakota. I would like to suggest some of the
              > complexities facing farmers caught in the industrial mode of
              > operation.
              >
              > First, Kansas and Nebraska are sucking dry their groundwater in
              > order to irrigate corn. This is an absurd practice that should be
              > stopped immediately. Nebraska has been doing this for several
              > decades, but they are the worst offenders. ANd yes, Kansas
              following
              > suit is even more disturbing.
              >
              > That being said, I would like to point out that North Dakota has
              > higher crop diversity than any other state in the nation. As far as
              > number of crops and percentages of those crops. Second thing I
              would
              > like to point out is that Kansas wheat is soft (winter) bread
              wheat,
              > while North Dakota is red red spring and durum wheat (pasta) which
              > have different milling properties. North Dakota wheat is forced to
              > compete with subsidized Candian Wheat. Due to provisions in NAFTA.
              > In North Dakota, it is no longer profitable for farmers to grow
              > spring wheat three out of 5 years.
              > Kansas wheat is being switch simply because corn is more
              > economically valuable under high yielding conditions , with
              > subsidized irrigation.
              > In addition to Wheat, North Dakota ranks #1 or #2 in production of
              > Sunflowers (oil and edible), flax, barley, and canola. Other
              > important crops are soybeans, edible beans, and sugar beets and
              > minor crops of potatoes and oats.
              > The problem with many of the other crops is they each require
              > special equipment to harvest and plant, and manage. Corn has always
              > been in the rotation, so everyone has the equipment, but not all
              > farmers have the equipment necessary for crops that have recently
              > developed or have been of minor importance (flax, canola,
              > and'sunflowers') Edible beans is limited by availablity of contract
              > buyers as is the subsidized sugar beet industry. Barley is a
              gamble:
              > on good years malting barley (for beer) pays good money, but if the
              > barley is substandard it goes for an eighth of the price, and the
              > farmers lose money. Malting barley is not always an easy standard
              to
              > meet, and often involves luck of the draw.
              > Soybeans, are highly profitable becuase of lowered herbicide and
              > fertilizer costs. Corn is on the other end, high imput , high
              yield.
              > Crop failure in corn is devastating. Hence the need for constant
              > emergency aid to farmers who are forced by market factors into
              > putting too many eggs in one basket.
              > Another thing about North Dakota corn is LESS than 10% of the corn
              > is irrigated. And the parts that are irrigated are irrigated
              largely
              > from surface water, not ground water. So the corn situation in
              North
              > Dakota is more more sustainable than else where: in part because of
              > the diverse crop rotations on most farms.
              >
              > On a final note, researchers from U or Minnesota, North Dakota
              > State, are working with drought resistant varieties from the New
              > Mexico area (from the Zuni and HOpi tribes). With modern gene
              > marking techniques they expect a highly drought resistant variety
              in
              > 6 to 10 years. They expect that this corn will only lose 10% in a
              > drought year versus 50%+ now. Which if adopted could change the
              > irrigation problem on its head....
              > However many farmers are slow to adapt, and it may take a
              generation
              > or better before they adapt new policies.
              >
            • Raju Titus
              Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas NPR A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone between harvest and planting,
              Message 6 of 24 , Jan 6, 2011
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                Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                NPR
                A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone
                between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
                greenhouse ...
                <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>

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              • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                That study results are encouraging for no till farmers. Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking machines sooner than later.
                Message 7 of 24 , Jan 6, 2011
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                  That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                  Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                  machines sooner than later.

                  Boovarahan S

                  On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                  >
                  >
                  > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                  > NPR
                  > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone
                  > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
                  > greenhouse ...
                  > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                  >
                  > --
                  > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                  > +919179738049.
                  > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                  > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                  > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                  >
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                • Nandan Palaparambil
                  Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily for each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done then only
                  Message 8 of 24 , Jan 6, 2011
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                    Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily for each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done then only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching has to be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear and cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.



                    Regards,
                    Nandan

                    --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...> wrote:

                    From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                    Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                    To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM

                    That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                    Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                    machines sooner than later.

                    Boovarahan S

                    On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                    >
                    >
                    > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                    > NPR
                    > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone
                    > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
                    > greenhouse ...
                    > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                    >
                    > --
                    > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                    > +919179738049.
                    > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                    > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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                  • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                    Hi ! When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me about the idea of non-tilling. People are hell bent on the notion that land must
                    Message 9 of 24 , Jan 7, 2011
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                      Hi !

                      When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                      about the idea of non-tilling.
                      People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything we
                      say against it falls on deaf ears.
                      That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till farming.
                      As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without use
                      of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my field
                      in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the rice
                      plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest which
                      could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                      It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old mental
                      block of tilling.
                      After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                      actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn up
                      to no till farming.

                      Boovarahan S


                      On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                      <p_k_nandanan@...>wrote:

                      >
                      >
                      > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily for
                      > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done then
                      > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching has to
                      > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear and
                      > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                      >
                      > Regards,
                      > Nandan
                      >
                      > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>>
                      > wrote:
                      >
                      > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                      > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                      > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                      >
                      >
                      > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                      > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                      > machines sooner than later.
                      >
                      > Boovarahan S
                      >
                      > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                      > wrote:
                      >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                      > > NPR
                      > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone
                      > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
                      > > greenhouse ...
                      > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
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                    • Nandan Palaparambil
                      Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the results. But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when you
                      Message 10 of 24 , Jan 7, 2011
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                        Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the results.

                        But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when you move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.


                        Regards,
                        Nandan

                        --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...> wrote:

                        From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                        Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                        To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM

                        Hi !

                        When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                        about the idea of non-tilling.
                        People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything we
                        say against it falls on deaf ears.
                        That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till farming.
                        As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without use
                        of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my field
                        in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the rice
                        plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest which
                        could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                        It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old mental
                        block of tilling.
                        After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                        actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn up
                        to no till farming.

                        Boovarahan S


                        On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                        <p_k_nandanan@...>wrote:

                        >
                        >
                        > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily for
                        > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done then
                        > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching has to
                        > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear and
                        > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                        >
                        > Regards,
                        > Nandan
                        >
                        > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>>
                        > wrote:
                        >
                        > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                        > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                        > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                        >
                        >
                        > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                        > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                        > machines sooner than later.
                        >
                        > Boovarahan S
                        >
                        > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                        > wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                        > > NPR
                        > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left alone
                        > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
                        > > greenhouse ...
                        > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                        > >
                        > > --
                        > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                        > > +919179738049.
                        > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                        > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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                      • Raju Titus
                        Dear Nandan, I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                        Message 11 of 24 , Jan 7, 2011
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                          Dear Nandan,
                          I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                          microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                          converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green cover
                          + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and fertile
                          quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                          land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of ground
                          cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                          fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
                          the soil.
                          Thanks
                          Raju

                          On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <p_k_nandanan@...
                          > wrote:

                          >
                          >
                          > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                          > results.
                          >
                          > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when you
                          > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
                          > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                          >
                          > Regards,
                          > Nandan
                          >
                          >
                          > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>>
                          > wrote:
                          >
                          > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                          > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                          > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi !
                          >
                          > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                          > about the idea of non-tilling.
                          > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything we
                          > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                          > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till farming.
                          > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without use
                          > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                          > field
                          > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the rice
                          > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest which
                          > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                          > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old mental
                          > block of tilling.
                          > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                          > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn up
                          > to no till farming.
                          >
                          > Boovarahan S
                          >
                          > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                          > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                          >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
                          > for
                          > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
                          > then
                          > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching has
                          > to
                          > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
                          > and
                          > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                          > >
                          > > Regards,
                          > > Nandan
                          > >
                          > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                          > > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                          > 40gmail.com>>
                          > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                          > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                          > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                          > > machines sooner than later.
                          > >
                          > > Boovarahan S
                          > >
                          > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                          > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                          > > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                          > > > NPR
                          > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                          > alone
                          > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
                          > > > greenhouse ...
                          > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                          > > >
                          > > > --
                          > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                          > > > +919179738049.
                          > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                          > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                          > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                          > > >
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                          +919179738049.
                          http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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                        • Nandan Palaparambil
                          Dear Raju sir, It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land
                          Message 12 of 24 , Jan 10, 2011
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                            Dear Raju sir,

                            It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution'  that initially we may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.

                            Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the failures..


                            Regards,
                            Nandan

                            --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                            From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
                            Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                            To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM

                            Dear Nandan,
                            I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                            microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                            converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green cover
                            + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and fertile
                            quickly better than  any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                            land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of ground
                            cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                            fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
                            the soil.
                            Thanks
                            Raju

                            On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <p_k_nandanan@...
                            > wrote:

                            >
                            >
                            > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                            > results.
                            >
                            > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when you
                            > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
                            > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                            >
                            > Regards,
                            > Nandan
                            >
                            >
                            > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>>
                            > wrote:
                            >
                            > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                            > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                            > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                            >
                            >
                            > Hi !
                            >
                            > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                            > about the idea of non-tilling.
                            > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything we
                            > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                            > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till farming.
                            > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without use
                            > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                            > field
                            > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the rice
                            > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest which
                            > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                            > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old mental
                            > block of tilling.
                            > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                            > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn up
                            > to no till farming.
                            >
                            > Boovarahan S
                            >
                            > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                            > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                            >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
                            > for
                            > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
                            > then
                            > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching has
                            > to
                            > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
                            > and
                            > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                            > >
                            > > Regards,
                            > > Nandan
                            > >
                            > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                            > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                            > > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                            > 40gmail.com>>
                            > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                            > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                            > 40yahoogroups.com>
                            > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                            > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                            > > machines sooner than later.
                            > >
                            > > Boovarahan S
                            > >
                            > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                            > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                            > > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                            > > > NPR
                            > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                            > alone
                            > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
                            > > > greenhouse ...
                            > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                            > > >
                            > > > --
                            > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                            > > > +919179738049.
                            > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                            > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                            > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                            > > >
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                            --
                            Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                            +919179738049.
                            http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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                          • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                            Hi All! The problem in converting a chemically growm farm into a natural farm is the absense of microbes and earthworms. Unless the harmful effects of the
                            Message 13 of 24 , Jan 10, 2011
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                              Hi All!

                              The problem in converting a chemically growm farm into a natural farm is the
                              absense of microbes and earthworms.
                              Unless the harmful effects of the residual chemicals are neutralised
                              microbial activity can not be enhanced.
                              This can be achieved by adopting some temporary methods.
                              First the farm has to be flooded to get rid off the soluble chemicals.
                              Secondly mulching with vegetative matter both green and brown must be done.
                              Thirdly a conducive micro climate for the microbes and earthworms should be
                              created by using natural manure of cow dung / cow's urine. The quantity of
                              organic manure can be reduced and the process simplified by using zero
                              budget farming methods / Amrit pani etc.

                              Once the microbial activity is induced there is no looking back and simple
                              mulching of vegetative matter will take care of the rest. No further
                              application of manure is necessary.

                              Even fukuoka used to apply chicken droppings once in a way.

                              Regards.

                              Boovarahan S

                              On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                              p_k_nandanan@...> wrote:

                              >
                              >
                              > Dear Raju sir,
                              >
                              > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
                              > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from
                              > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
                              > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some
                              > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly
                              > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember
                              > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that initially we
                              > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.
                              >
                              > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land
                              > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
                              > failures..
                              >
                              > Regards,
                              > Nandan
                              >
                              > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                              > wrote:
                              >
                              > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                              >
                              > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                              >
                              >
                              > Dear Nandan,
                              > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                              > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                              > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
                              > cover
                              > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                              > fertile
                              > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                              > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                              > ground
                              > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                              > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
                              > the soil.
                              > Thanks
                              > Raju
                              >
                              > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                              > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                              > > wrote:
                              >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                              > > results.
                              > >
                              > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
                              > you
                              > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
                              > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                              > >
                              > > Regards,
                              > > Nandan
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                              > > wrote:
                              > >
                              > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > 40gmail.com>>
                              > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Hi !
                              > >
                              > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                              > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                              > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything
                              > we
                              > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                              > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                              > farming.
                              > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
                              > use
                              > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                              > > field
                              > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
                              > rice
                              > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
                              > which
                              > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                              > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                              > mental
                              > > block of tilling.
                              > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                              > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn
                              > up
                              > > to no till farming.
                              > >
                              > > Boovarahan S
                              > >
                              > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                              > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
                              > > for
                              > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
                              > > then
                              > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
                              > has
                              > > to
                              > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
                              > > and
                              > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                              > > >
                              > > > Regards,
                              > > > Nandan
                              > > >
                              > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                              > > > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > > 40gmail.com>>
                              > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                              > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                              > > > machines sooner than later.
                              > > >
                              > > > Boovarahan S
                              > > >
                              > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                              > > > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                              > > > > NPR
                              > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                              > > alone
                              > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                              > potent
                              > > > > greenhouse ...
                              > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --
                              > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                              > > > > +919179738049.
                              > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                              > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                              > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                              > > > >
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                              > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                              > +919179738049.
                              > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                              > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                              > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                              >
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                            • Raju Titus
                              Dear friend, Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                              Message 14 of 24 , Jan 10, 2011
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                                Dear friend,
                                Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this
                                biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover of
                                green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This biodiversity
                                multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                Thanks
                                Raju


                                On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                p_k_nandanan@...> wrote:

                                >
                                >
                                > Dear Raju sir,
                                >
                                > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
                                > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from
                                > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
                                > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some
                                > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly
                                > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember
                                > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that initially we
                                > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.
                                >
                                > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land
                                > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
                                > failures..
                                >
                                > Regards,
                                > Nandan
                                >
                                > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                > wrote:
                                >
                                > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                >
                                > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                >
                                >
                                > Dear Nandan,
                                > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                                > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                                > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
                                > cover
                                > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                                > fertile
                                > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                                > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                                > ground
                                > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                                > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
                                > the soil.
                                > Thanks
                                > Raju
                                >
                                > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                                > > wrote:
                                >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                                > > results.
                                > >
                                > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
                                > you
                                > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
                                > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                                > >
                                > > Regards,
                                > > Nandan
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                >
                                > > wrote:
                                > >
                                > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                > 40gmail.com>>
                                > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Hi !
                                > >
                                > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                                > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything
                                > we
                                > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                                > farming.
                                > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
                                > use
                                > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                                > > field
                                > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
                                > rice
                                > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
                                > which
                                > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                                > mental
                                > > block of tilling.
                                > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                                > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn
                                > up
                                > > to no till farming.
                                > >
                                > > Boovarahan S
                                > >
                                > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
                                > > for
                                > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
                                > > then
                                > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
                                > has
                                > > to
                                > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
                                > > and
                                > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                > > >
                                > > > Regards,
                                > > > Nandan
                                > > >
                                > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                > > > wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                >
                                > > 40gmail.com>>
                                > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                >
                                > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                                > > > machines sooner than later.
                                > > >
                                > > > Boovarahan S
                                > > >
                                > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                > > > wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                > > > > NPR
                                > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                                > > alone
                                > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                                > potent
                                > > > > greenhouse ...
                                > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --
                                > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                                > > > > +919179738049.
                                > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                                > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                                > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                                > > > >
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                                > > > >
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                                > > >
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                                > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                                > +919179738049.
                                > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                                > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                                > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
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                                --
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                                +919179738049.
                                http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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                              • Sumant Joshi
                                Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil is very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.  Sent from
                                Message 15 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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                                  Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil is very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly. 

                                  Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone

                                  Warm regards,

                                  Sumant Joshi
                                  Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161

                                  --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                                  From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                  To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM

                                  Dear friend,
                                  Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this
                                  biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover of
                                  green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This biodiversity
                                  multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                  Thanks
                                  Raju


                                  On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                  p_k_nandanan@...> wrote:

                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Dear Raju sir,
                                  >
                                  > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
                                  > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from
                                  > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
                                  > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some
                                  > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly
                                  > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember
                                  > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution'  that initially we
                                  > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.
                                  >
                                  > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land
                                  > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
                                  > failures..
                                  >
                                  > Regards,
                                  > Nandan
                                  >
                                  > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                  > wrote:
                                  >
                                  > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                  >
                                  > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                  > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Dear Nandan,
                                  > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                                  > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                                  > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
                                  > cover
                                  > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                                  > fertile
                                  > quickly better than  any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                                  > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                                  > ground
                                  > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                                  > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
                                  > the soil.
                                  > Thanks
                                  > Raju
                                  >
                                  > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                  > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                                  > > wrote:
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                                  > > results.
                                  > >
                                  > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
                                  > you
                                  > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
                                  > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                                  > >
                                  > > Regards,
                                  > > Nandan
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                  > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                  >
                                  > > wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                  > 40gmail.com>>
                                  > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                  > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                  > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Hi !
                                  > >
                                  > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                                  > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                  > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything
                                  > we
                                  > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                  > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                                  > farming.
                                  > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
                                  > use
                                  > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                                  > > field
                                  > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
                                  > rice
                                  > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
                                  > which
                                  > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                  > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                                  > mental
                                  > > block of tilling.
                                  > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                                  > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn
                                  > up
                                  > > to no till farming.
                                  > >
                                  > > Boovarahan S
                                  > >
                                  > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                  > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                  > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
                                  > > for
                                  > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
                                  > > then
                                  > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
                                  > has
                                  > > to
                                  > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
                                  > > and
                                  > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Regards,
                                  > > > Nandan
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                  > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                  > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                  > > > wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                  > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                  >
                                  > > 40gmail.com>>
                                  > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                  > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                  > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                  >
                                  > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                  > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
                                  > > > machines sooner than later.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Boovarahan S
                                  > > >
                                  > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                  > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                  > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                  > > > wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                  > > > > NPR
                                  > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                                  > > alone
                                  > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                                  > potent
                                  > > > > greenhouse ...
                                  > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --
                                  > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                                  > > > > +919179738049.
                                  > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                                  > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                                  > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                                  > > > >
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                                  > > > >
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                                  > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                                  > +919179738049.
                                  > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                                  > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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                                  --
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                                  +919179738049.
                                  http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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                                • Raju Titus
                                  Dear friend, For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way. Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can solve
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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                                    Dear friend,
                                    For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                    Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
                                    solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not easy
                                    task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                    Thanks
                                    Raju

                                    On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:

                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil is
                                    > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
                                    >
                                    > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                    >
                                    > Warm regards,
                                    >
                                    > Sumant Joshi
                                    > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                    > wrote:
                                    >
                                    > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                    > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                    > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Dear friend,
                                    > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this
                                    > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover
                                    > of
                                    > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This biodiversity
                                    > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                    > Thanks
                                    > Raju
                                    >
                                    > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                    > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Dear Raju sir,
                                    > >
                                    > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
                                    > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land
                                    > from
                                    > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
                                    > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
                                    > some
                                    > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                                    > quickly
                                    > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                                    > remember
                                    > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that initially
                                    > we
                                    > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                                    > reduced.
                                    > >
                                    > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
                                    > land
                                    > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
                                    > > failures..
                                    > >
                                    > > Regards,
                                    > > Nandan
                                    > >
                                    > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                    > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                    > > wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                    > 40gmail.com>>
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                    > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                    > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Dear Nandan,
                                    > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                                    > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
                                    > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
                                    > > cover
                                    > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                                    > > fertile
                                    > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
                                    > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                                    > > ground
                                    > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                                    > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism
                                    > in
                                    > > the soil.
                                    > > Thanks
                                    > > Raju
                                    > >
                                    > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                    > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                    > 40yahoo.com>
                                    > > > wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
                                    > > > results.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
                                    > > you
                                    > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take
                                    > at
                                    > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Regards,
                                    > > > Nandan
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                    > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                    > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                    > >
                                    > > > wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                    > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                    > > 40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                    > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                    > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                    > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Hi !
                                    > > >
                                    > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
                                    > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                    > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                                    > anything
                                    > > we
                                    > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                    > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                                    > > farming.
                                    > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
                                    > > use
                                    > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
                                    > > > field
                                    > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
                                    > > rice
                                    > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
                                    > > which
                                    > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                    > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                                    > > mental
                                    > > > block of tilling.
                                    > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
                                    > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
                                    > ,turn
                                    > > up
                                    > > > to no till farming.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Boovarahan S
                                    > > >
                                    > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                    > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                    > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                    >
                                    > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
                                    > easily
                                    > > > for
                                    > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be
                                    > done
                                    > > > then
                                    > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
                                    > > has
                                    > > > to
                                    > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
                                    > clear
                                    > > > and
                                    > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Regards,
                                    > > > > Nandan
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                    > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                    > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                    > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > > wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                    > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                    > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                    > >
                                    > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                    > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                    > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                    > >
                                    > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                    > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                                    > breaking
                                    > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Boovarahan S
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                    > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                    > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                    > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                    > > > > wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                    > > > > > NPR
                                    > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
                                    > > > alone
                                    > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                                    > > potent
                                    > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                    > > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > --
                                    > > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                                    > > > > > +919179738049.
                                    > > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                                    > > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                                    > > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                                    > > > > >
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                                    > > > > >
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                                  • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                                    Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick mulching alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous chemical
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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                                      Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick mulching
                                      alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                                      chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /
                                      animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?

                                      Boovarahan S

                                      On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                                      > Dear friend,
                                      > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                      > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
                                      > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not easy
                                      > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                      > Thanks
                                      > Raju
                                      >
                                      > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil
                                      > is
                                      > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
                                      > >
                                      > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                      > >
                                      > > Warm regards,
                                      > >
                                      > > Sumant Joshi
                                      > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                      > 40gmail.com>>
                                      > > wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                      > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                      > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Dear friend,
                                      > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If
                                      > this
                                      > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover
                                      > > of
                                      > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                      > biodiversity
                                      > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                      > > Thanks
                                      > > Raju
                                      > >
                                      > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                      > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                      > > >
                                      > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
                                      > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land
                                      > > from
                                      > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
                                      > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
                                      > > some
                                      > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                                      > > quickly
                                      > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                                      > > remember
                                      > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                      > initially
                                      > > we
                                      > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                                      > > reduced.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
                                      > > land
                                      > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to
                                      > the
                                      > > > failures..
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Regards,
                                      > > > Nandan
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                      > 40gmail.com>
                                      > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                                      > ><rajuktitus%
                                      > > 40gmail.com>>
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                      > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com
                                      > ><fukuoka_farming%
                                      > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Dear Nandan,
                                      > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                                      > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can
                                      > be
                                      > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
                                      > > > cover
                                      > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                                      > > > fertile
                                      > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                      > therefore
                                      > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                                      > > > ground
                                      > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                                      > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                      > organism
                                      > > in
                                      > > > the soil.
                                      > > > Thanks
                                      > > > Raju
                                      > > >
                                      > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                      > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                      > > 40yahoo.com>
                                      > > > > wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing
                                      > the
                                      > > > > results.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly
                                      > when
                                      > > > you
                                      > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take
                                      > > at
                                      > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                      > farming.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Regards,
                                      > > > > Nandan
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                                      > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                      > > >
                                      > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com
                                      > ><offtown%
                                      > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                      > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                      > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                                      > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                      > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                      > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Hi !
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at
                                      > me
                                      > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                      > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                                      > > anything
                                      > > > we
                                      > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                      > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                                      > > > farming.
                                      > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                                      > without
                                      > > > use
                                      > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have
                                      > my
                                      > > > > field
                                      > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of
                                      > the
                                      > > > rice
                                      > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
                                      > > > which
                                      > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                      > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                                      > > > mental
                                      > > > > block of tilling.
                                      > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming
                                      > by
                                      > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
                                      > > ,turn
                                      > > > up
                                      > > > > to no till farming.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Boovarahan S
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                      > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                      > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                      > >
                                      > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
                                      > > easily
                                      > > > > for
                                      > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be
                                      > > done
                                      > > > > then
                                      > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                                      > mulching
                                      > > > has
                                      > > > > to
                                      > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
                                      > > clear
                                      > > > > and
                                      > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Regards,
                                      > > > > > Nandan
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                                      > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%
                                      > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                      > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                      > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                      > > >
                                      > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                      > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                                      > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                      > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                      > > >
                                      > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                      > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                                      > > breaking
                                      > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                                      > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                      > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                      > > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                      > > > > > > NPR
                                      > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are
                                      > left
                                      > > > > alone
                                      > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                                      > > > potent
                                      > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                      > > > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > --
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                                      > > > > > > +919179738049.
                                      > > > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                                      > > > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                                      > > > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
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                                    • Nandan Palaparambil
                                      True, I remember some statements in One Straw Revolution which recommends some composting,weeding or pruning in the transition from chemical to natural
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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                                        True, I remember some statements in 'One Straw Revolution' which recommends some composting,weeding or pruning in the transition from chemical to natural farming.

                                        Each statement by Fukuoka san in 'One Straw Revolution' is coming from experience and is important.


                                        I don't make any compost, but I don't live on farming. People who completely depend on farming for a living, speed with which the conversion happen also is important. Also if we pass on some information and they don't see that happening, they will never come back to natural farming.

                                        If we want to bring common farmers to natural farming we should have some good models for each region which they can directly follow.



                                        Regards,
                                        Nandan

                                        --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...> wrote:

                                        From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                        Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                        To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 8:38 AM







                                         









                                        Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick mulching

                                        alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous

                                        chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /

                                        animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?



                                        Boovarahan S



                                        On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:



                                        > Dear friend,

                                        > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.

                                        > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can

                                        > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not easy

                                        > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.

                                        > Thanks

                                        > Raju

                                        >

                                        > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:

                                        >

                                        > >

                                        > >

                                        > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil

                                        > is

                                        > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.

                                        > >

                                        > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone

                                        > >

                                        > > Warm regards,

                                        > >

                                        > > Sumant Joshi

                                        > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161

                                        > >

                                        > >

                                        > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%

                                        > 40gmail.com>>

                                        > > wrote:

                                        > >

                                        > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>

                                        > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming

                                        > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>

                                        > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM

                                        > >

                                        > >

                                        > > Dear friend,

                                        > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If

                                        > this

                                        > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover

                                        > > of

                                        > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This

                                        > biodiversity

                                        > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.

                                        > > Thanks

                                        > > Raju

                                        > >

                                        > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <

                                        > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>> wrote:

                                        > >

                                        > > >

                                        > > >

                                        > > > Dear Raju sir,

                                        > > >

                                        > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals

                                        > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land

                                        > > from

                                        > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the

                                        > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give

                                        > > some

                                        > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover

                                        > > quickly

                                        > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I

                                        > > remember

                                        > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that

                                        > initially

                                        > > we

                                        > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be

                                        > > reduced.

                                        > > >

                                        > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting

                                        > > land

                                        > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to

                                        > the

                                        > > > failures..

                                        > > >

                                        > > > Regards,

                                        > > > Nandan

                                        > > >

                                        > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%

                                        > 40gmail.com>

                                        > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>

                                        > > > wrote:

                                        > > >

                                        > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com

                                        > ><rajuktitus%

                                        > > 40gmail.com>>

                                        > >

                                        > > >

                                        > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming

                                        > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com

                                        > ><fukuoka_farming%

                                        > > 40yahoogroups.com>

                                        > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM

                                        > > >

                                        > > >

                                        > > > Dear Nandan,

                                        > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having

                                        > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can

                                        > be

                                        > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green

                                        > > > cover

                                        > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and

                                        > > > fertile

                                        > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things

                                        > therefore

                                        > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of

                                        > > > ground

                                        > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,

                                        > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of

                                        > organism

                                        > > in

                                        > > > the soil.

                                        > > > Thanks

                                        > > > Raju

                                        > > >

                                        > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <

                                        > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%

                                        > > 40yahoo.com>

                                        > > > > wrote:

                                        > > >

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing

                                        > the

                                        > > > > results.

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly

                                        > when

                                        > > > you

                                        > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take

                                        > > at

                                        > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural

                                        > farming.

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > > Regards,

                                        > > > > Nandan

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...

                                        > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                                        > > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                                        > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>

                                        > > >

                                        > > > > wrote:

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com

                                        > ><offtown%

                                        > > 40gmail.com><offtown%

                                        > > > 40gmail.com>>

                                        > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming

                                        > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%

                                        > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%

                                        > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%

                                        > > > 40yahoogroups.com>

                                        > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > > Hi !

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at

                                        > me

                                        > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.

                                        > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and

                                        > > anything

                                        > > > we

                                        > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.

                                        > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till

                                        > > > farming.

                                        > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants

                                        > without

                                        > > > use

                                        > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have

                                        > my

                                        > > > > field

                                        > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of

                                        > the

                                        > > > rice

                                        > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest

                                        > > > which

                                        > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .

                                        > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old

                                        > > > mental

                                        > > > > block of tilling.

                                        > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming

                                        > by

                                        > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all

                                        > > ,turn

                                        > > > up

                                        > > > > to no till farming.

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > > Boovarahan S

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil

                                        > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%

                                        > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%

                                        > >

                                        > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:

                                        > > >

                                        > > > >

                                        > > > > >

                                        > > > > >

                                        > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done

                                        > > easily

                                        > > > > for

                                        > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be

                                        > > done

                                        > > > > then

                                        > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional

                                        > mulching

                                        > > > has

                                        > > > > to

                                        > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very

                                        > > clear

                                        > > > > and

                                        > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.

                                        > > > > >

                                        > > > > > Regards,

                                        > > > > > Nandan

                                        > > > > >

                                        > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...

                                        > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                                        > > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                                        > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                                        > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>

                                        > > > > > wrote:

                                        > > > > >

                                        > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%

                                        > 40gmail.com><offtown%

                                        > > 40gmail.com><offtown%

                                        > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%

                                        > > >

                                        > > > > 40gmail.com>>

                                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming

                                        > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%

                                        > 40yahoogroups.com>

                                        > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%

                                        > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%

                                        > > >

                                        > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>

                                        > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM

                                        > > > > >

                                        > > > > >

                                        > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.

                                        > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land

                                        > > breaking

                                        > > > > > machines sooner than later.

                                        > > > > >

                                        > > > > > Boovarahan S

                                        > > > > >

                                        > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...

                                        > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>

                                        > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>

                                        > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>

                                        > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>

                                        > > > > > wrote:

                                        > > > > >

                                        > > > > > >

                                        > > > > > >

                                        > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas

                                        > > > > > > NPR

                                        > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are

                                        > left

                                        > > > > alone

                                        > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a

                                        > > > potent

                                        > > > > > > greenhouse ...

                                        > > > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>

                                        > > > > > >

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                                        > > > > > > +919179738049.

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                                        > > > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>

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                                      • Raju Titus
                                        Dear friend, Destructive effect is mainly by Tilling and killing and as soon as we stop killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result.
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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                                          Dear friend,
                                          Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we stop
                                          killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There is
                                          no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer. Both
                                          reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is harmless.
                                          It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture and
                                          provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                                          animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                          thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                                          tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills biodiversity
                                          of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                          animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                                          exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is against
                                          of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming and
                                          true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping trees
                                          for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine is
                                          naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and home
                                          waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                          Thanks
                                          Raju
                                          On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>wrote:

                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                          > mulching
                                          > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                                          > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /
                                          > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?
                                          >
                                          > Boovarahan S
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                          > wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > Dear friend,
                                          > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                          > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
                                          > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not
                                          > easy
                                          > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                          > > Thanks
                                          > > Raju
                                          > >
                                          > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                          > wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil
                                          > > is
                                          > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Warm regards,
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Sumant Joshi
                                          > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                          > <rajuktitus%
                                          >
                                          > > 40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                          > 40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                          > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Dear friend,
                                          > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If
                                          > > this
                                          > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                                          > cover
                                          > > > of
                                          > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                          > > biodiversity
                                          > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                          > > > Thanks
                                          > > > Raju
                                          > > >
                                          > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                          > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                          > chemicals
                                          > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert
                                          > land
                                          > > > from
                                          > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for
                                          > the
                                          > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
                                          > > > some
                                          > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                                          > > > quickly
                                          > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                                          > > > remember
                                          > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                          > > initially
                                          > > > we
                                          > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                                          > > > reduced.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
                                          > > > land
                                          > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to
                                          > > the
                                          > > > > failures..
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Regards,
                                          > > > > Nandan
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                          > <rajuktitus%
                                          > > 40gmail.com>
                                          > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                          > 40gmail.com
                                          > > ><rajuktitus%
                                          > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                          > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                          > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > 40yahoogroups.com
                                          > > ><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                          > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                                          > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can
                                          > > be
                                          > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                                          > green
                                          > > > > cover
                                          > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                                          > > > > fertile
                                          > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                          > > therefore
                                          > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                                          > > > > ground
                                          > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                                          > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                          > > organism
                                          > > > in
                                          > > > > the soil.
                                          > > > > Thanks
                                          > > > > Raju
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                          > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          >
                                          > > > 40yahoo.com>
                                          > > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing
                                          > > the
                                          > > > > > results.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly
                                          > > when
                                          > > > > you
                                          > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It
                                          > take
                                          > > > at
                                          > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                          > > farming.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Regards,
                                          > > > > > Nandan
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                          > 40gmail.com
                                          > > ><offtown%
                                          > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                          > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                          > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > <fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Hi !
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh
                                          > at
                                          > > me
                                          > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                          > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                                          > > > anything
                                          > > > > we
                                          > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                          > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                                          > > > > farming.
                                          > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                                          > > without
                                          > > > > use
                                          > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have
                                          > > my
                                          > > > > > field
                                          > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of
                                          > > the
                                          > > > > rice
                                          > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                                          > harvest
                                          > > > > which
                                          > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                          > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                                          > > > > mental
                                          > > > > > block of tilling.
                                          > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming
                                          > > by
                                          > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
                                          > > > ,turn
                                          > > > > up
                                          > > > > > to no till farming.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                          > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
                                          > > > easily
                                          > > > > > for
                                          > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to
                                          > be
                                          > > > done
                                          > > > > > then
                                          > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                                          > > mulching
                                          > > > > has
                                          > > > > > to
                                          > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
                                          > > > clear
                                          > > > > > and
                                          > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Regards,
                                          > > > > > > Nandan
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                          > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
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                                          > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                          > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                          > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                          > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                          > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                          > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > <fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                          > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                                          > > > breaking
                                          > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                          > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
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                                          > > > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                          > > > > > > > NPR
                                          > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are
                                          > > left
                                          > > > > > alone
                                          > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                                          > > > > potent
                                          > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                          > > > > > > > <
                                          > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                          > > > > > > >
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                                        • Nandan Palaparambil
                                          Dear Raju sir, I don t really get this.. There is no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer . Also I don t find any problem in
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                                            Dear Raju sir,

                                            I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer".

                                            Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to another.

                                            Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its true sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not possible.


                                            Regards,
                                            Nandan

                                            --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                                            From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
                                            Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                            To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                            Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM

                                            Dear friend,
                                            Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we stop
                                            killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There is
                                            no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer. Both
                                            reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is harmless.
                                            It allow rain water to go in side the land,  hold vapors for moisture and
                                            provide air,sun and shade  for biodiversity to work.  I am keeping milch
                                            animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                            thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                                            tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills biodiversity
                                            of the soil.  People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                            animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece  of land is
                                            exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is against
                                            of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming and
                                            true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping trees
                                            for  fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field  dung and urine is
                                            naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant  some dung and home
                                            waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                            Thanks
                                            Raju
                                            On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>wrote:

                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                            > mulching
                                            > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                                            > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /
                                            > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?
                                            >
                                            > Boovarahan S
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                            > wrote:
                                            >
                                            > > Dear friend,
                                            > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                            > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
                                            > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not
                                            > easy
                                            > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                            > > Thanks
                                            > > Raju
                                            > >
                                            > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                            > wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil
                                            > > is
                                            > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Warm regards,
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Sumant Joshi
                                            > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > <rajuktitus%
                                            >
                                            > > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                            > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                            > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Dear friend,
                                            > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If
                                            > > this
                                            > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                                            > cover
                                            > > > of
                                            > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                            > > biodiversity
                                            > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                            > > > Thanks
                                            > > > Raju
                                            > > >
                                            > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                            > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                            > chemicals
                                            > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert
                                            > land
                                            > > > from
                                            > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for
                                            > the
                                            > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
                                            > > > some
                                            > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                                            > > > quickly
                                            > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                                            > > > remember
                                            > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                            > > initially
                                            > > > we
                                            > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                                            > > > reduced.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
                                            > > > land
                                            > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to
                                            > > the
                                            > > > > failures..
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Regards,
                                            > > > > Nandan
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > <rajuktitus%
                                            > > 40gmail.com>
                                            > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                            > 40gmail.com
                                            > > ><rajuktitus%
                                            > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                            > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > 40yahoogroups.com
                                            > > ><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                            > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                                            > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can
                                            > > be
                                            > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                                            > green
                                            > > > > cover
                                            > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                                            > > > > fertile
                                            > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                            > > therefore
                                            > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                                            > > > > ground
                                            > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                                            > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                            > > organism
                                            > > > in
                                            > > > > the soil.
                                            > > > > Thanks
                                            > > > > Raju
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                            > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            >
                                            > > > 40yahoo.com>
                                            > > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing
                                            > > the
                                            > > > > > results.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly
                                            > > when
                                            > > > > you
                                            > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It
                                            > take
                                            > > > at
                                            > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                            > > farming.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Regards,
                                            > > > > > Nandan
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > 40gmail.com
                                            > > ><offtown%
                                            > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                            > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > <fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Hi !
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh
                                            > at
                                            > > me
                                            > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                            > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                                            > > > anything
                                            > > > > we
                                            > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                            > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                                            > > > > farming.
                                            > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                                            > > without
                                            > > > > use
                                            > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have
                                            > > my
                                            > > > > > field
                                            > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of
                                            > > the
                                            > > > > rice
                                            > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                                            > harvest
                                            > > > > which
                                            > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                            > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                                            > > > > mental
                                            > > > > > block of tilling.
                                            > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming
                                            > > by
                                            > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
                                            > > > ,turn
                                            > > > > up
                                            > > > > > to no till farming.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                            > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
                                            > > > easily
                                            > > > > > for
                                            > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to
                                            > be
                                            > > > done
                                            > > > > > then
                                            > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                                            > > mulching
                                            > > > > has
                                            > > > > > to
                                            > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
                                            > > > clear
                                            > > > > > and
                                            > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Regards,
                                            > > > > > > Nandan
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                            > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > <fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                            > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                                            > > > breaking
                                            > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                            > > > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > > >
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                                            Dear Nandan, I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit
                                            Message 21 of 24 , Jan 12, 2011
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                                              Dear Nandan,
                                              I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base
                                              fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit soil
                                              and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                                              killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base farming
                                              methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                                              Raju

                                              On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <p_k_nandanan@...
                                              > wrote:

                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Dear Raju sir,
                                              >
                                              > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea and
                                              > man made urine base fertilizer".
                                              >
                                              > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                                              > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                                              > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                                              > another.
                                              >
                                              > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                                              > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its true
                                              > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not
                                              > possible.
                                              >
                                              > Regards,
                                              > Nandan
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                              > wrote:
                                              >
                                              > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                              > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                              > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Dear friend,
                                              > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we
                                              > stop
                                              > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There is
                                              > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer.
                                              > Both
                                              > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is harmless.
                                              > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture and
                                              > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                                              > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                              > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                                              > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills biodiversity
                                              > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                              > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                                              > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is against
                                              > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming and
                                              > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping
                                              > trees
                                              > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine is
                                              > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and home
                                              > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                              > Thanks
                                              > Raju
                                              > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                              > >wrote:
                                              >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                              > > mulching
                                              > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                                              > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine
                                              > /
                                              > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?
                                              > >
                                              > > Boovarahan S
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                              >
                                              > > wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > > Dear friend,
                                              > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                              > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop
                                              > can
                                              > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not
                                              > > easy
                                              > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                              > > > Thanks
                                              > > > Raju
                                              > > >
                                              > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                              > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                              >
                                              > > wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the
                                              > soil
                                              > > > is
                                              > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                                              > quickly.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Warm regards,
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Sumant Joshi
                                              > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                              > > <rajuktitus%
                                              > >
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                                              > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                              > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                              > > 40gmail.com>>
                                              > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                              > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
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                                              > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Dear friend,
                                              > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects.
                                              > If
                                              > > > this
                                              > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                                              > > cover
                                              > > > > of
                                              > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                              > > > biodiversity
                                              > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                              > > > > Thanks
                                              > > > > Raju
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                              > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              >
                                              > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                              > > chemicals
                                              > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert
                                              > > land
                                              > > > > from
                                              > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for
                                              > > the
                                              > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to
                                              > give
                                              > > > > some
                                              > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                                              > > > > quickly
                                              > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                                              > > > > remember
                                              > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                              > > > initially
                                              > > > > we
                                              > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                                              > > > > reduced.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                                              > converting
                                              > > > > land
                                              > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress
                                              > to
                                              > > > the
                                              > > > > > failures..
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Regards,
                                              > > > > > Nandan
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
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                                              > > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                              > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                              > > 40gmail.com
                                              > > > ><rajuktitus%
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                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                              > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                              > > 40yahoogroups.com
                                              > > > ><fukuoka_farming%
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                                              > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                              > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                                              > having
                                              > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc.
                                              > can
                                              > > > be
                                              > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                                              > > green
                                              > > > > > cover
                                              > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist
                                              > and
                                              > > > > > fertile
                                              > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                              > > > therefore
                                              > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade
                                              > of
                                              > > > > > ground
                                              > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                                              > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                              > > > organism
                                              > > > > in
                                              > > > > > the soil.
                                              > > > > > Thanks
                                              > > > > > Raju
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                              > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > >
                                              > > > > 40yahoo.com>
                                              > > > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                                              > seeing
                                              > > > the
                                              > > > > > > results.
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                                              > suddenly
                                              > > > when
                                              > > > > > you
                                              > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It
                                              > > take
                                              > > > > at
                                              > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                              > > > farming.
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Regards,
                                              > > > > > > Nandan
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                              > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                              > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
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                                              > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                              > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                              > > 40gmail.com
                                              > > > ><offtown%
                                              > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
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                                              > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                              > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                              > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Hi !
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh
                                              > > at
                                              > > > me
                                              > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                              > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                                              > > > > anything
                                              > > > > > we
                                              > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                              > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no
                                              > till
                                              > > > > > farming.
                                              > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                                              > > > without
                                              > > > > > use
                                              > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I
                                              > have
                                              > > > my
                                              > > > > > > field
                                              > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth
                                              > of
                                              > > > the
                                              > > > > > rice
                                              > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                                              > > harvest
                                              > > > > > which
                                              > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                              > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries'
                                              > old
                                              > > > > > mental
                                              > > > > > > block of tilling.
                                              > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                                              > farming
                                              > > > by
                                              > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not
                                              > all
                                              > > > > ,turn
                                              > > > > > up
                                              > > > > > > to no till farming.
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                              > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com><p_k_nandanan%
                                              > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be
                                              > done
                                              > > > > easily
                                              > > > > > > for
                                              > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to
                                              > > be
                                              > > > > done
                                              > > > > > > then
                                              > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                                              > > > mulching
                                              > > > > > has
                                              > > > > > > to
                                              > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be
                                              > very
                                              > > > > clear
                                              > > > > > > and
                                              > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > Regards,
                                              > > > > > > > Nandan
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                              > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                              > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
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                                              > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                              > > > > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                              > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                              > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                              > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
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                                              > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                              > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                              > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                                              > > > > breaking
                                              > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <
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                                              > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
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                                              > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
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                                              > > > > > > > wrote:
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                              > > > > > > > > NPR
                                              > > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields
                                              > are
                                              > > > left
                                              > > > > > > alone
                                              > > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of
                                              > a
                                              > > > > > potent
                                              > > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                              > > > > > > > > <
                                              > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                                              > > > > > > > >
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                                            • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                                              Dear Raju sir, There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright. The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the speed
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                                                Dear Raju sir,

                                                There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright.
                                                The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the speed
                                                of establishing a healthy micro climate for the micro organisms to thrive
                                                in.
                                                As you have rightly said the low amount of cow dung available in the farms
                                                due to cattle grazing is enough to induce micro organisms to become active .
                                                I think that is what you are doing in your farm. Same is the case in forests
                                                where the cattle droppings serve the purpose. Of course there is no need of
                                                a catalyst in a forest.
                                                I think so much of fuss is made on making nitogen availability to the
                                                plants.
                                                After all more than 70 percent of air is occupied ny nitrogen and just a
                                                little of this is needed by the crops for their growth which is sufficiently
                                                provided by legume cover. The question is about the need of other nutrients
                                                besides nitrogen and the part of micro organisms in providing them to the
                                                plants.

                                                Hope I have understood right!.

                                                Regards.

                                                Boovarahan S

                                                On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                                                > Dear Nandan,
                                                > I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base
                                                > fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit soil
                                                > and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                                                > killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base
                                                > farming
                                                > methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                                                > Raju
                                                >
                                                > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                                > p_k_nandanan@...
                                                > > wrote:
                                                >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > Dear Raju sir,
                                                > >
                                                > > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea
                                                > and
                                                > > man made urine base fertilizer".
                                                > >
                                                > > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                                                > > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                                                > > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                                                > > another.
                                                > >
                                                > > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                                                > > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its true
                                                > > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not
                                                > > possible.
                                                > >
                                                > > Regards,
                                                > > Nandan
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                                > 40gmail.com>>
                                                > > wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                                > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                                > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > Dear friend,
                                                > > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we
                                                > > stop
                                                > > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There
                                                > is
                                                > > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer.
                                                > > Both
                                                > > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is
                                                > harmless.
                                                > > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture and
                                                > > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                                                > > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                                > > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                                                > > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills
                                                > biodiversity
                                                > > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                                > > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                                                > > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is
                                                > against
                                                > > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming
                                                > and
                                                > > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping
                                                > > trees
                                                > > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine
                                                > is
                                                > > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and
                                                > home
                                                > > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                                > > Thanks
                                                > > Raju
                                                > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                                                > offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                                > > >wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                                > > > mulching
                                                > > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of
                                                > previous
                                                > > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung /
                                                > urine
                                                > > /
                                                > > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process
                                                > ?
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Boovarahan S
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                                                > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                                > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                                > >
                                                > > > wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > > > Dear friend,
                                                > > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                                > > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop
                                                > > can
                                                > > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is
                                                > not
                                                > > > easy
                                                > > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                                > > > > Thanks
                                                > > > > Raju
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...
                                                > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                                > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                                > >
                                                > > > wrote:
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the
                                                > > soil
                                                > > > > is
                                                > > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                                                > > quickly.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Warm regards,
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Sumant Joshi
                                                > > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                                > 40gmail.com>
                                                > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                                > > > <rajuktitus%
                                                > > >
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                                                > > > > > wrote:
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                                                > ><rajuktitus%
                                                > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                                > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                                > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                                                > 40yahoogroups.com>
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                                                > > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Dear friend,
                                                > > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects.
                                                > > If
                                                > > > > this
                                                > > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                                                > > > cover
                                                > > > > > of
                                                > > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                                > > > > biodiversity
                                                > > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                                > > > > > Thanks
                                                > > > > > Raju
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                                > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                > >
                                                > > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                                > > > chemicals
                                                > > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to
                                                > convert
                                                > > > land
                                                > > > > > from
                                                > > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss
                                                > for
                                                > > > the
                                                > > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to
                                                > > give
                                                > > > > > some
                                                > > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land
                                                > recover
                                                > > > > > quickly
                                                > > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs.
                                                > I
                                                > > > > > remember
                                                > > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                                > > > > initially
                                                > > > > > we
                                                > > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                                                > > > > > reduced.
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                                                > > converting
                                                > > > > > land
                                                > > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a
                                                > stress
                                                > > to
                                                > > > > the
                                                > > > > > > failures..
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > Regards,
                                                > > > > > > Nandan
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                                > 40gmail.com>
                                                > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
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                                                > > > > > > wrote:
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                                                > ><rajuktitus%
                                                > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                                > > > 40gmail.com
                                                > > > > ><rajuktitus%
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                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                                > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
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                                                > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
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                                                > > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                                > > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                                                > > having
                                                > > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc.
                                                > > can
                                                > > > > be
                                                > > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                                                > > > green
                                                > > > > > > cover
                                                > > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist
                                                > > and
                                                > > > > > > fertile
                                                > > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                                > > > > therefore
                                                > > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide
                                                > shade
                                                > > of
                                                > > > > > > ground
                                                > > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding
                                                > capacity,
                                                > > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                                > > > > organism
                                                > > > > > in
                                                > > > > > > the soil.
                                                > > > > > > Thanks
                                                > > > > > > Raju
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                                > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                > > >
                                                > > > > > 40yahoo.com>
                                                > > > > > > > wrote:
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                                                > > seeing
                                                > > > > the
                                                > > > > > > > results.
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                                                > > suddenly
                                                > > > > when
                                                > > > > > > you
                                                > > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises.
                                                > It
                                                > > > take
                                                > > > > > at
                                                > > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                                > > > > farming.
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > Regards,
                                                > > > > > > > Nandan
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                                                > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                                > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
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                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > wrote:
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%
                                                > 40gmail.com>
                                                > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                                > > > 40gmail.com
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                                                > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
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                                                > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > Hi !
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to
                                                > laugh
                                                > > > at
                                                > > > > me
                                                > > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                                > > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                                                > > > > > anything
                                                > > > > > > we
                                                > > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                                > > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no
                                                > > till
                                                > > > > > > farming.
                                                > > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                                                > > > > without
                                                > > > > > > use
                                                > > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I
                                                > > have
                                                > > > > my
                                                > > > > > > > field
                                                > > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth
                                                > > of
                                                > > > > the
                                                > > > > > > rice
                                                > > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                                                > > > harvest
                                                > > > > > > which
                                                > > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                                > > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries'
                                                > > old
                                                > > > > > > mental
                                                > > > > > > > block of tilling.
                                                > > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                                                > > farming
                                                > > > > by
                                                > > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not
                                                > > all
                                                > > > > > ,turn
                                                > > > > > > up
                                                > > > > > > > to no till farming.
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                                > > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com
                                                > ><p_k_nandanan%
                                                > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be
                                                > > done
                                                > > > > > easily
                                                > > > > > > > for
                                                > > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has
                                                > to
                                                > > > be
                                                > > > > > done
                                                > > > > > > > then
                                                > > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                                                > > > > mulching
                                                > > > > > > has
                                                > > > > > > > to
                                                > > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be
                                                > > very
                                                > > > > > clear
                                                > > > > > > > and
                                                > > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                                > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                                                > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                                > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                                > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
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                                                > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                                                > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%
                                                > 40gmail.com>
                                                > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                                                > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                                                > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
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                                                > > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                                > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                                > > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
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                                                > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > > <fukuoka_farming%
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                                                > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                                > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                                > > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and
                                                > land
                                                > > > > > breaking
                                                > > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                                > > > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                                > > > > > > > >
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                                                http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/h7efnuDA3FPU671omOAjhA?feat=directlink Dear friend, Find answer in above link. Thanks Raju ... -- Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.
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                                                  Dear friend,
                                                  Find answer in above link.
                                                  Thanks
                                                  Raju

                                                  On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>wrote:

                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Dear Raju sir,
                                                  >
                                                  > There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright.
                                                  > The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the speed
                                                  > of establishing a healthy micro climate for the micro organisms to thrive
                                                  > in.
                                                  > As you have rightly said the low amount of cow dung available in the farms
                                                  > due to cattle grazing is enough to induce micro organisms to become active
                                                  > .
                                                  > I think that is what you are doing in your farm. Same is the case in
                                                  > forests
                                                  > where the cattle droppings serve the purpose. Of course there is no need of
                                                  > a catalyst in a forest.
                                                  > I think so much of fuss is made on making nitogen availability to the
                                                  > plants.
                                                  > After all more than 70 percent of air is occupied ny nitrogen and just a
                                                  > little of this is needed by the crops for their growth which is
                                                  > sufficiently
                                                  > provided by legume cover. The question is about the need of other nutrients
                                                  > besides nitrogen and the part of micro organisms in providing them to the
                                                  > plants.
                                                  >
                                                  > Hope I have understood right!.
                                                  >
                                                  > Regards.
                                                  >
                                                  > Boovarahan S
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                                  > wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > > Dear Nandan,
                                                  > > I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base
                                                  > > fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit
                                                  > soil
                                                  > > and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                                                  > > killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base
                                                  > > farming
                                                  > > methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                                                  > > Raju
                                                  > >
                                                  > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                                  > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                                                  > > > wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea
                                                  > > and
                                                  > > > man made urine base fertilizer".
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                                                  > > > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                                                  > > > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                                                  > > > another.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                                                  > > > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its
                                                  > true
                                                  > > > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not
                                                  > > > possible.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Regards,
                                                  > > > Nandan
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                                  > <rajuktitus%
                                                  >
                                                  > > 40gmail.com>>
                                                  > > > wrote:
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                                  > 40gmail.com>>
                                                  > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                                  > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                                  > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Dear friend,
                                                  > > > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we
                                                  > > > stop
                                                  > > > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There
                                                  > > is
                                                  > > > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer.
                                                  > > > Both
                                                  > > > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is
                                                  > > harmless.
                                                  > > > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture
                                                  > and
                                                  > > > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                                                  > > > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                                  > > > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                                                  > > > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills
                                                  > > biodiversity
                                                  > > > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                                  > > > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                                                  > > > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is
                                                  > > against
                                                  > > > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming
                                                  > > and
                                                  > > > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping
                                                  > > > trees
                                                  > > > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine
                                                  > > is
                                                  > > > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and
                                                  > > home
                                                  > > > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                                  > > > Thanks
                                                  > > > Raju
                                                  > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                                                  > > offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%40gmail.com>
                                                  >
                                                  > > > >wrote:
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                                  > > > > mulching
                                                  > > > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of
                                                  > > previous
                                                  > > > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung /
                                                  > > urine
                                                  > > > /
                                                  > > > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the
                                                  > process
                                                  > > ?
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Boovarahan S
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                                  > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                                  > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > > wrote:
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > > Dear friend,
                                                  > > > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                                  > > > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover
                                                  > crop
                                                  > > > can
                                                  > > > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is
                                                  > > not
                                                  > > > > easy
                                                  > > > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                                  > > > > > Thanks
                                                  > > > > > Raju
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                                  > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                                  > > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > > wrote:
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if
                                                  > the
                                                  > > > soil
                                                  > > > > > is
                                                  > > > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                                                  > > > quickly.
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > Warm regards,
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > Sumant Joshi
                                                  > > > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                                  > <rajuktitus%
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                                                  > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                                  > > > > <rajuktitus%
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                                  > > > > > > wrote:
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                                  > 40gmail.com
                                                  > > ><rajuktitus%
                                                  > > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                                  > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                                                  > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                                  > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > <fukuoka_farming%
                                                  > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                                                  > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > Dear friend,
                                                  > > > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many
                                                  > insects.
                                                  > > > If
                                                  > > > > > this
                                                  > > > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling,
                                                  > providing
                                                  > > > > cover
                                                  > > > > > > of
                                                  > > > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                                  > > > > > biodiversity
                                                  > > > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                                  > > > > > > Thanks
                                                  > > > > > > Raju
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                                  > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                  > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                  > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                                  > > > > chemicals
                                                  > > > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to
                                                  > > convert
                                                  > > > > land
                                                  > > > > > > from
                                                  > > > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss
                                                  > > for
                                                  > > > > the
                                                  > > > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have
                                                  > to
                                                  > > > give
                                                  > > > > > > some
                                                  > > > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land
                                                  > > recover
                                                  > > > > > > quickly
                                                  > > > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional
                                                  > inputs.
                                                  > > I
                                                  > > > > > > remember
                                                  > > > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                                  > > > > > initially
                                                  > > > > > > we
                                                  > > > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can
                                                  > be
                                                  > > > > > > reduced.
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                                                  > > > converting
                                                  > > > > > > land
                                                  > > > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a
                                                  > > stress
                                                  > > > to
                                                  > > > > > the
                                                  > > > > > > > failures..
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > Regards,
                                                  > > > > > > > Nandan
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
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                                                  > > > > > > > wrote:
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                                                  > > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                                  > 40gmail.com
                                                  > > ><rajuktitus%
                                                  > > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
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                                                  > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                                  > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > <fukuoka_farming%
                                                  > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
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                                                  > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                                  > > > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                                                  > > > having
                                                  > > > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles
                                                  > etc.
                                                  > > > can
                                                  > > > > > be
                                                  > > > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing
                                                  > sufficient
                                                  > > > > green
                                                  > > > > > > > cover
                                                  > > > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into
                                                  > pourus,moist
                                                  > > > and
                                                  > > > > > > > fertile
                                                  > > > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                                                  > > > > > therefore
                                                  > > > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide
                                                  > > shade
                                                  > > > of
                                                  > > > > > > > ground
                                                  > > > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding
                                                  > > capacity,
                                                  > > > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                                                  > > > > > organism
                                                  > > > > > > in
                                                  > > > > > > > the soil.
                                                  > > > > > > > Thanks
                                                  > > > > > > > Raju
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                                  > > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com><p_k_nandanan%
                                                  > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                  > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                  > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>
                                                  > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                                                  > > > seeing
                                                  > > > > > the
                                                  > > > > > > > > results.
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                                                  > > > suddenly
                                                  > > > > > when
                                                  > > > > > > > you
                                                  > > > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises.
                                                  > > It
                                                  > > > > take
                                                  > > > > > > at
                                                  > > > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                                                  > > > > > farming.
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                                  > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                                  > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                                                  > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
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                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > wrote:
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                                                  > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                                                  > <offtown%
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                                                  > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                                  > > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
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                                                  > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > Hi !
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to
                                                  > > laugh
                                                  > > > > at
                                                  > > > > > me
                                                  > > > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                                  > > > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled
                                                  > and
                                                  > > > > > > anything
                                                  > > > > > > > we
                                                  > > > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                                  > > > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no
                                                  > > > till
                                                  > > > > > > > farming.
                                                  > > > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of
                                                  > plants
                                                  > > > > > without
                                                  > > > > > > > use
                                                  > > > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season
                                                  > I
                                                  > > > have
                                                  > > > > > my
                                                  > > > > > > > > field
                                                  > > > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The
                                                  > growth
                                                  > > > of
                                                  > > > > > the
                                                  > > > > > > > rice
                                                  > > > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                                                  > > > > harvest
                                                  > > > > > > > which
                                                  > > > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                                  > > > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their
                                                  > centuries'
                                                  > > > old
                                                  > > > > > > > mental
                                                  > > > > > > > > block of tilling.
                                                  > > > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                                                  > > > farming
                                                  > > > > > by
                                                  > > > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if
                                                  > not
                                                  > > > all
                                                  > > > > > > ,turn
                                                  > > > > > > > up
                                                  > > > > > > > > to no till farming.
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                                  > > > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com><p_k_nandanan%
                                                  > 40yahoo.com
                                                  > > ><p_k_nandanan%
                                                  > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                  > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                  > > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
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                                                  > > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be
                                                  > > > done
                                                  > > > > > > easily
                                                  > > > > > > > > for
                                                  > > > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what
                                                  > has
                                                  > > to
                                                  > > > > be
                                                  > > > > > > done
                                                  > > > > > > > > then
                                                  > > > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially
                                                  > additional
                                                  > > > > > mulching
                                                  > > > > > > > has
                                                  > > > > > > > > to
                                                  > > > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should
                                                  > be
                                                  > > > very
                                                  > > > > > > clear
                                                  > > > > > > > > and
                                                  > > > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
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                                                  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
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                                                  > > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
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                                                  > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and
                                                  > > land
                                                  > > > > > > breaking
                                                  > > > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <
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                                                  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > NPR
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which
                                                  > fields
                                                  > > > are
                                                  > > > > > left
                                                  > > > > > > > > alone
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller
                                                  > amounts
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                                                  > > > a
                                                  > > > > > > > potent
                                                  > > > > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
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                                                • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                                                  That puts to rest all my doubts. However I am afraid of the ad effects of Parthenium and would go for some other alternate. Boovarahan S ... [Non-text portions
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                                                    That puts to rest all my doubts.
                                                    However I am afraid of the ad effects of Parthenium and would go for some
                                                    other alternate.

                                                    Boovarahan S

                                                    On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                                                    > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/h7efnuDA3FPU671omOAjhA?feat=directlink
                                                    > Dear friend,
                                                    > Find answer in above link.
                                                    > Thanks
                                                    > Raju
                                                    >
                                                    > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                                                    > >wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Dear Raju sir,
                                                    > >
                                                    > > There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright.
                                                    > > The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the
                                                    > speed
                                                    > > of establishing a healthy micro climate for the micro organisms to thrive
                                                    > > in.
                                                    > > As you have rightly said the low amount of cow dung available in the
                                                    > farms
                                                    > > due to cattle grazing is enough to induce micro organisms to become
                                                    > active
                                                    > > .
                                                    > > I think that is what you are doing in your farm. Same is the case in
                                                    > > forests
                                                    > > where the cattle droppings serve the purpose. Of course there is no need
                                                    > of
                                                    > > a catalyst in a forest.
                                                    > > I think so much of fuss is made on making nitogen availability to the
                                                    > > plants.
                                                    > > After all more than 70 percent of air is occupied ny nitrogen and just a
                                                    > > little of this is needed by the crops for their growth which is
                                                    > > sufficiently
                                                    > > provided by legume cover. The question is about the need of other
                                                    > nutrients
                                                    > > besides nitrogen and the part of micro organisms in providing them to the
                                                    > > plants.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Hope I have understood right!.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Regards.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Boovarahan S
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                                                    > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                                    > > wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > > Dear Nandan,
                                                    > > > I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine
                                                    > base
                                                    > > > fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit
                                                    > > soil
                                                    > > > and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                                                    > > > killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base
                                                    > > > farming
                                                    > > > methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                                                    > > > Raju
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                                    > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                                                    > > > > wrote:
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base
                                                    > urea
                                                    > > > and
                                                    > > > > man made urine base fertilizer".
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                                                    > > > > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                                                    > > > > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                                                    > > > > another.
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                                                    > > > > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its
                                                    > > true
                                                    > > > > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is
                                                    > not
                                                    > > > > possible.
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > Regards,
                                                    > > > > Nandan
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                                    > 40gmail.com>
                                                    > > <rajuktitus%
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                                                    > > > > wrote:
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                                                    > ><rajuktitus%
                                                    > > 40gmail.com>>
                                                    > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                                    > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
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                                                    > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > Dear friend,
                                                    > > > > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as
                                                    > we
                                                    > > > > stop
                                                    > > > > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result.
                                                    > There
                                                    > > > is
                                                    > > > > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base
                                                    > fertilizer.
                                                    > > > > Both
                                                    > > > > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is
                                                    > > > harmless.
                                                    > > > > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture
                                                    > > and
                                                    > > > > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping
                                                    > milch
                                                    > > > > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                                                    > > > > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic
                                                    > in
                                                    > > > > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills
                                                    > > > biodiversity
                                                    > > > > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                                                    > > > > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                                                    > > > > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is
                                                    > > > against
                                                    > > > > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic
                                                    > farming
                                                    > > > and
                                                    > > > > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am
                                                    > keeping
                                                    > > > > trees
                                                    > > > > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and
                                                    > urine
                                                    > > > is
                                                    > > > > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and
                                                    > > > home
                                                    > > > > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                                                    > > > > Thanks
                                                    > > > > Raju
                                                    > > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                                                    > > > offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%40gmail.com>
                                                    > >
                                                    > > > > >wrote:
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > >
                                                    > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                                                    > > > > > mulching
                                                    > > > > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of
                                                    > > > previous
                                                    > > > > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung /
                                                    > > > urine
                                                    > > > > /
                                                    > > > > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the
                                                    > > process
                                                    > > > ?
                                                    > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                                    > > > > >
                                                    > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                                                    > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                                    > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                                                    > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > > wrote:
                                                    > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > Dear friend,
                                                    > > > > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                                                    > > > > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover
                                                    > > crop
                                                    > > > > can
                                                    > > > > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost
                                                    > is
                                                    > > > not
                                                    > > > > > easy
                                                    > > > > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                                                    > > > > > > Thanks
                                                    > > > > > > Raju
                                                    > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <
                                                    > sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                                    > > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                                                    > > > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > > wrote:
                                                    > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if
                                                    > > the
                                                    > > > > soil
                                                    > > > > > > is
                                                    > > > > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                                                    > > > > quickly.
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > Warm regards,
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > Sumant Joshi
                                                    > > > > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
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                                                    > > > > > > > wrote:
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                                                    > ><rajuktitus%
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                                                    > > > ><rajuktitus%
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                                                    > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                                                    > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
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                                                    > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > Dear friend,
                                                    > > > > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many
                                                    > > insects.
                                                    > > > > If
                                                    > > > > > > this
                                                    > > > > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling,
                                                    > > providing
                                                    > > > > > cover
                                                    > > > > > > > of
                                                    > > > > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                                                    > > > > > > biodiversity
                                                    > > > > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                                                    > > > > > > > Thanks
                                                    > > > > > > > Raju
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                                    > > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                                                    > <p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                                                    > > > > > chemicals
                                                    > > > > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to
                                                    > > > convert
                                                    > > > > > land
                                                    > > > > > > > from
                                                    > > > > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much
                                                    > loss
                                                    > > > for
                                                    > > > > > the
                                                    > > > > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have
                                                    > > to
                                                    > > > > give
                                                    > > > > > > > some
                                                    > > > > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land
                                                    > > > recover
                                                    > > > > > > > quickly
                                                    > > > > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional
                                                    > > inputs.
                                                    > > > I
                                                    > > > > > > > remember
                                                    > > > > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                                                    > > > > > > initially
                                                    > > > > > > > we
                                                    > > > > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this
                                                    > can
                                                    > > be
                                                    > > > > > > > reduced.
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                                                    > > > > converting
                                                    > > > > > > > land
                                                    > > > > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a
                                                    > > > stress
                                                    > > > > to
                                                    > > > > > > the
                                                    > > > > > > > > failures..
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                                    > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
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                                                    > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                                                    > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                                                    > > 40gmail.com
                                                    > > > ><rajuktitus%
                                                    > > > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
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                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
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                                                    > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                                                    > > > > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                                                    > > > > having
                                                    > > > > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles
                                                    > > etc.
                                                    > > > > can
                                                    > > > > > > be
                                                    > > > > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing
                                                    > > sufficient
                                                    > > > > > green
                                                    > > > > > > > > cover
                                                    > > > > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into
                                                    > > pourus,moist
                                                    > > > > and
                                                    > > > > > > > > fertile
                                                    > > > > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these
                                                    > things
                                                    > > > > > > therefore
                                                    > > > > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide
                                                    > > > shade
                                                    > > > > of
                                                    > > > > > > > > ground
                                                    > > > > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding
                                                    > > > capacity,
                                                    > > > > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence
                                                    > of
                                                    > > > > > > organism
                                                    > > > > > > > in
                                                    > > > > > > > > the soil.
                                                    > > > > > > > > Thanks
                                                    > > > > > > > > Raju
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                                                    > > > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com
                                                    > ><p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>
                                                    > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                                                    > > > > seeing
                                                    > > > > > > the
                                                    > > > > > > > > > results.
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                                                    > > > > suddenly
                                                    > > > > > > when
                                                    > > > > > > > > you
                                                    > > > > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some
                                                    > surprises.
                                                    > > > It
                                                    > > > > > take
                                                    > > > > > > > at
                                                    > > > > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till
                                                    > natural
                                                    > > > > > > farming.
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                                    > > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
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                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%
                                                    > 40gmail.com>
                                                    > > <offtown%
                                                    > > > 40gmail.com>
                                                    > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
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                                                    > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
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                                                    > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                                    > > <fukuoka_farming%
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                                                    > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > Hi !
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to
                                                    > > > laugh
                                                    > > > > > at
                                                    > > > > > > me
                                                    > > > > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                                                    > > > > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled
                                                    > > and
                                                    > > > > > > > anything
                                                    > > > > > > > > we
                                                    > > > > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                                                    > > > > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating
                                                    > no
                                                    > > > > till
                                                    > > > > > > > > farming.
                                                    > > > > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of
                                                    > > plants
                                                    > > > > > > without
                                                    > > > > > > > > use
                                                    > > > > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current
                                                    > season
                                                    > > I
                                                    > > > > have
                                                    > > > > > > my
                                                    > > > > > > > > > field
                                                    > > > > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The
                                                    > > growth
                                                    > > > > of
                                                    > > > > > > the
                                                    > > > > > > > > rice
                                                    > > > > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for
                                                    > the
                                                    > > > > > harvest
                                                    > > > > > > > > which
                                                    > > > > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                                                    > > > > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their
                                                    > > centuries'
                                                    > > > > old
                                                    > > > > > > > > mental
                                                    > > > > > > > > > block of tilling.
                                                    > > > > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                                                    > > > > farming
                                                    > > > > > > by
                                                    > > > > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if
                                                    > > not
                                                    > > > > all
                                                    > > > > > > > ,turn
                                                    > > > > > > > > up
                                                    > > > > > > > > > to no till farming.
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                                                    > > > > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com
                                                    > ><p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > 40yahoo.com
                                                    > > > ><p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                                                    > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                                                    > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can
                                                    > be
                                                    > > > > done
                                                    > > > > > > > easily
                                                    > > > > > > > > > for
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what
                                                    > > has
                                                    > > > to
                                                    > > > > > be
                                                    > > > > > > > done
                                                    > > > > > > > > > then
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially
                                                    > > additional
                                                    > > > > > > mulching
                                                    > > > > > > > > has
                                                    > > > > > > > > > to
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should
                                                    > > be
                                                    > > > > very
                                                    > > > > > > > clear
                                                    > > > > > > > > > and
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                                                    > > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > Nandan
                                                    > > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
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                                                    > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                                                    > > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and
                                                    > > > land
                                                    > > > > > > > breaking
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                                                    > > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                                                    > > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <
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                                                    > > > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > > NPR
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which
                                                    > > fields
                                                    > > > > are
                                                    > > > > > > left
                                                    > > > > > > > > > alone
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller
                                                    > > amounts
                                                    > > > of
                                                    > > > > a
                                                    > > > > > > > > potent
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                                                    > > > > > > > > > > > <
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