Re: [fukuoka_farming] Organic mentality
- <i being a hard firm believer in passive growing
systems (selective organic choices)that cause me much
stress when i look at what has been done to our
overwhelming abundance of resources here. Your point
of the mentality and understanding is well taken. Need
to provide in some manor is also understood. Knowledge
and improving choices over time is what brings change.>
could you explain what you mean by passive growing system and selective organic choices ?
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- Lucia wrote:
I'm not clear about this. you use the branch for a support for the bottle, but you still have to tap the tree somehow, right?
No I don't tap the tree. I just hang bottles up on the trees branches. It is hard to explain, I tried to draw some picture of it in Paint: http://www.hot.ee/andre66/sap.jpg
1. I cut or brake two branches, which form V (or Y).
2. I press these two branches together, so they can go through bottle's throttle.
3. I push branch into bottle and before pressed branches go wider, so bottle won't fall of branch.
4. Finally the bottle hangs on trees branch and every morning I collect sap into bigger container.
I wonder if there are any health benefits to drinking this sap, or is it just a sugar high?
The sap has health benefits, but I don't know excactly what are these benefits. I have heard that it is good for immunity. In Karri Varpio's mail is link about birch sap produce, on that page there are writen some ingredients of this sap.
Thanks to Karri Varpio and EinuIf about interesting information.
ITV - Sinu lemmiksaated internetis!
- Good Morning,
i'll start at the end and go back to the beginning.
selective organic to me is to only use items from the
list of whats allowed under the organic standards that
do not compromise the beliefs of those who i provide
for. so no blood meal, bone meal, feather meal,fish
emulsion,,killing sprays of any form including soap
sprays. in the past i used two or three hundred pounds
of rock power but found my heart was not in it, as for
the destruction caused in mining. over the past twenty
years this has been a slow learning.
i do use chicken and horse manure mixed with rice
hauls or fur shavings. but i have been concern the
past six or eight years as to the things that may have
been done to these resources like with mushroom
compost,from 1986 into the early 90's i worked with
this layering it on top the soil blocking the grasses
and this stopped the need to turn the soil (tilling)
it was a great help and a waste produce that i didn't
want to see go to the dump. many times i questioned
the people at the source as to how they handled and
prepared this material, feeling that part of their
story was missing i want down to their operation. they
explained the steam process that seemed fine but when
i questioned any other sprays that they might have
been used their body language revealed something was
not being told, i asked the same question three times
each time the same reaction. i find it the same with
many sources of composting supplies. before cars a
market grower could take a load of produce to town and
return with a load of horse manure. not sure how they
cleaned the wagon? when we are concerned with the
quality of the produce we provide to the children, the
choices become very hard to sort out.
as Fukuoka's system of returning the rice and barley
straw to the field that is a form of layer composting.
using small amounts over a number of years plus the
clover in combination with the passive system of
flooding the field thus causing the clover and other
wild plants to giveway, he had a control system that
modeled nature,no soil disruption (passive).
i grow very few 120 day crops and no three acre fields
of rice, nor do i have the water to flood the fields,
they are sloped and full of golfer runs. just won't
so the question was how can i extract Fukuoka's main
points no till, passive and apply it in another form
that would meet the needs of a market garden that
required three to four rotations per bed per year. if
the land did not cost so much we could make it on one
or two rotations that would allow crop rotations of
green manure plantings. But without the use of flood
irrigation how could i cause the green manure crop to
giveway into a clean seed bed as a tilled bed would
look? so along comes the straw, it takes a lot of
light straw to get old growth to giveway. mushroom and
later horse manure with fur and pine shavings came
later. this was put down on the first application in a
six inch layer, that on the next rotation a wheel
barrow of chicken manure per 400 square foot bed
(4X100) and maybe two inches of mushroom compost over
and ready to reseed. we need to note seed if we worked
with large transplanting machines all of this might be
with this we had a system that worked, the cost of
importing was off set due to the lack of maintenance
no hand weeding or hoeing. good trade. the problem
came in finding stable, quality sources of compost
supplies in the volume necessary to sustain our needs.
i think this covers your two questions Jean-Claude.
it's just how can we grow food for the children
without offending the requirements of a vegan life
style. i do this in respect for others i'm a bit more
open in my eating habits but very narrow to many, are
not we all?
That last lap was quite a trip 589,000,000 miles, can
you believe 18.51 miles per second. in only one year
to get around the Sun. All of us riding together on
this little ball of water, rock, soil, and Life.
buckle up and enjoy the view. as we become aware of
our traveling companions it's good to note our Solar
systems speed of some 155 miles per second in our
travels around the Milky Way. seems to be helping me
bring things into perspective.
Happy New Year All Les
--- Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry
> <i being a hard firm believer in passive growing__________________________________
> systems (selective organic choices)that cause me
> stress when i look at what has been done to our
> overwhelming abundance of resources here. Your point
> of the mentality and understanding is well taken.
> to provide in some manor is also understood.
> and improving choices over time is what brings
> could you explain what you mean by passive growing
> system and selective organic choices ?
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
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> No I don't tap the tree. I just hang bottles up on the trees branches.ahhh. I understand now. great picture!
> It is hard to explain, I tried to draw some picture of it in Paint:
> The sap has health benefits, but I don't know excactly what are theselooks like an interesting enterprise, but I couldn't find anything
> benefits. I have heard that it is good for immunity. In Karri Varpio's
> mail is link about birch sap produce, on that page there are writen
> some ingredients of this sap.
concrete on the website about the health benefits. they've written a book
but it looks like it's only in Finnish. I'll search for something in
- --- In email@example.com, "Karri Varpio"
>store [birch sap]
> http://www.aurinkolehto.fi/eng/index.htm has developed a method to
> without heating, but they keep their method as a secret.I suspect that they sterilize the sap using ultraviolet light, ozone,
or both -- the same way that chlorine-free tap-water treatment is done.
- ok. I've done some research on the net and some books such as Steve
Brill's "Edible and Medicinal Plants" and found out that Black Birch/Sweet
Birch/Betula Lenta has alot of nutrients. the barch provides beta
carotene, calcium, vitamins B1 and B2, calcium, copper, iron, manganese,
phosphorus, potassium, sodium, and silicon, xylithol, betulinal and
glucoside. the inner bark can be eaten raw, ground into flour, or added to
soups. I haven't found out what nutrients the sap contains, but drinking
it raw is better than boiling it down into a highly concentrated sugar.
several people mention making a tea by infusing the twigs but warn against
boiling which would drive off the volatile wintergreen oils.
has anyone done this? do you just let it sit in cold water? or pour warm
water over it and let it sit? or gently heat to warm?