Re: [fukuoka_farming] veg and sust
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:51:40 -0400 (EDT)Pretty much dead-on except for the fish. Vegetarians simply don't eat
> Subject: Re: Re: vegetarian or vegan
> vegans do not eat any animal products at all, including eggs, cheese,
> dairy, etc. whereas vegetarians do eat animal products as long as it's not
> their flesh and they don't have to kill the animal, and some include fish
> in their diet. that's my understanding.
animal flesh...fish being animals, are not included in vegetarianism.
It has been a fad over the last 3-5 years or so for people to claim to
be vegetarians while they continue to eat fish, shellfish, etc. While
these folks have admirably given up the more heavy resource-depleting
meats, they've really just given up red meats...and maybe birds.
> I was vegetarien for about twoI've been a vegetarian for 22 years. I've been watching the thread with
> years and found it a wonderful cleansing routine, and vegetarian cuisine
> is great, the recipes. but in the long run, for long term, maintenance,
> maturation, and pregnancy, I don't think it's right. after a few years I
> began to crave meat again, I explored raw foods, and that's how I came to
> understand the Weston Price approach and the value of traditional food
> preparation which includes raw dairy and other animal products,
interest. I reply here out of convenience...not necessarily in answer
to this poster's reply. I feel like everyone makes their own choices
whether it be out of availability, desire to have less of a resource
impact, ethical rationale, or fad diets (and I include pretty much all
of the popular diet regimes here). The wild card is how one practices
their chosen diet. I have come to the point where I crave certain foods
(not meats) when I feel like I need them. Like most folks that long
ago, I unfortunately succumbed to Francis Lamore-Lappe's Diet for a
Small planet and the now debunked "protein complimentation" issues and
was miserably planning every single meal and snack for the 1st year or
two. Thankfully, much of the science caught up with it and protein
complimentation was dead...or so we thought. All of the dieticians who
were practicing or educated by folks through that time period still
cling on to the unfortunate practice. Even Lamore-Lappe has come out in
print in the last 10 or more years debunking her own system.
Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent. What I'm really trying to get at,
is that the spectrum of vegetarians is fairly wide. Vegs...like meat
eaters, can also be pretty finicky and not have a diverse palate. I've
known a good number of Vegs fail because they thought they had to eat
beans all the time. Add to this the fact that everyone metabolizes
differently, has differing tolerances of some foods, etc, etc...
It is safe to say that people *can* be healthy within most dietary
regimes. It is also safe to say that many will not fare well on dietary
regimes. Whatever the plan, eating a wide variety of foods and getting
exercise is paramount. I don't think I'm saying anything y'all don't
already know. I think I just wanted to caution about blanket
assumptions especially where peoples' diets are concerned.