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  • Sergio Montinola
    Dear Vernon, We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please send more info or the party who is able to sell and supply our need. Thanks, Sergio J.
    Message 1 of 19 , Jul 2, 2004
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      Dear Vernon,

      We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please
      send more info or the party who is able to sell and
      supply our need. Thanks,

      Sergio J. Montinola

      -






      -- Vernon Sinclair <vernon.sinclair@...> wrote:
      > Hi there,
      >
      > A friend of mine just told me about a German made,
      > award winning, cone
      > shaped, portable, solar water distiller/desalinator.
      > It distilled about 3
      > gallons a day, was made out of molded plastic, black
      > on the bottom to hold
      > heat... It cost about $50.00 US.
      >
      > Does that sound like anything anyone here might have
      > heard of? I have
      > Googled the heck out of it and I can't find anything
      > like it. I tried the
      > Real Goods site too.
      >
      > thanks in advance,
      >
      > Melanie
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >





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    • Mary Jo Terry
      I d like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They
      Message 2 of 19 , Jul 4, 2004
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        I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
        Jo_Al
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Vijay Wilankar
        Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
        To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
        Cc: vijaywilankar@...
        Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach

        > Dear All,
        >
        > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
        >
        > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
        >
        > Regards,
        >
        > Vijay
        >
        > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
        > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
        > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
        > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
        > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
        > > takes me and my right livelihood.
        > >
        > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
        > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
        > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
        > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
        > >
        > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
        > > home garden?
        > >
        > > Benjamin
        >
        > are you the one who started this web site ?
        > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop about
        > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally in
        > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on the
        > north west those last 10 years ).
        > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i emphasis a
        > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested in
        > giving "recipes ".
        > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
        > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans forest
        > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible garden
        > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
        > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
        > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2 or 3
        > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was almost
        > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
        > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
        > lush now .
        > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
        > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to not
        > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process that
        > tilling promote .
        >
        > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if it
        > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are free
        > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
        >
        > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
        >
        > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
        > august .
        >
        > jean-claude
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      • les landeck
        -- Hi Mary Jo last year i sent in a number of responses talking about the use of used office carpet as a step to no till farming, John contributed his use and
        Message 3 of 19 , Jul 4, 2004
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          --
          Hi Mary Jo

          last year i sent in a number of responses talking
          about the use of used office carpet as a step to no
          till farming, John contributed his use and perspective
          as did Stephen showing to problems that will develop
          when the carpet is not lifted or moved from time to
          time it's not a set it and forget it solution nor is a
          final answer to our needs but it is a learning tool
          that could help many move in a no till direction, it
          will weaken the bermuda grass while improving your
          soil structure to a natural state. depending on your
          soil type it will take 1 to 6 months. some where in
          that time the soil will become hand workable so
          removal of any die hard roots will come out quite
          easy. do lift or move around the carpet from time to
          time and monitor the changes keep the soil moist to
          support the other life forms that will be helping you,
          and maybe remove all together and water to germinate
          any seed in the soil than recover i would expand out
          from the center of the garden. when the carpet is
          removed the soil will be loose from worm and soil
          insect activity and any stray runners will not have a
          firm grip as they do now. solarizing with clear or
          black plastic will work to kill all life were the
          carpet only effects plant life in a more passive way,
          while providing habitat in a beneficial way for many
          others.
          johnson grass is more of a seed problem that when you
          stop turning the soil and bringing seed to the surface
          were it can germinate will be greatly reduced. some
          layer composting or as some call sheet mulching or
          just returning straw or other plant material to cover
          the soil and provide food to the soil life will help a
          great deal.

          Les







          - Mary Jo Terry <meme@...> wrote:
          > I'd like to know more about gardening without
          > tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson
          > grasses here. How do I get rid of them without
          > tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't
          > till.
          > Jo_Al >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          >
          >






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        • Vernon Sinclair
          Hi Sergio, I m sorry to disappoint you, but I m looking for it myself. If I track down the manufacturer I ll post it to the list so that you can know too. take
          Message 4 of 19 , Jul 4, 2004
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            Hi Sergio,

            I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm looking for it myself. If I track down
            the manufacturer I'll post it to the list so that you can know too.

            take care,

            Melanie (Vernon)

            At 03:05 PM 7/2/2004 -0700, you wrote:
            >Dear Vernon,
            >
            >We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please
            >send more info or the party who is able to sell and
            >supply our need. Thanks,
            >
            >Sergio J. Montinola
          • Judy Hayes
            I know that here in Az I have the bermuda problem also... tilling broke up the roots for the grass so it would always grow back, I had to take and bake the
            Message 5 of 19 , Jul 5, 2004
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              I know that here in Az I have the bermuda problem also... tilling broke up
              the roots for the grass so it would always grow back, I had to take and bake
              the grass by covering it in plastic and allowing it to heat up for a month
              or two... that killed off most of it for me... I havent had a chance to do
              that in my front yard yet since there was so many veggies growing... but the
              basil choked out the bermuda in one area lol.. so that was nice.
              Judy Lynn
              http://www.tomatothyme.com
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Mary Jo Terry" <meme@...>
              To: <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 1:39 AM
              Subject: Re: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach


              > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of
              bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling?
              They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
              > Jo_Al
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Vijay Wilankar
              > Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
              > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
              > Cc: vijaywilankar@...
              > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
              >
              > > Dear All,
              > >
              > > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying
              the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
              > >
              > > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
              > >
              > > Regards,
              > >
              > > Vijay
              > >
              > > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
              > > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
              > > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
              > > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
              > > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
              > > > takes me and my right livelihood.
              > > >
              > > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
              > > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
              > > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
              > > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
              > > >
              > > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
              > > > home garden?
              > > >
              > > > Benjamin
              > >
              > > are you the one who started this web site ?
              > > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop
              about
              > > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally
              in
              > > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on
              the
              > > north west those last 10 years ).
              > > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i
              emphasis a
              > > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested
              in
              > > giving "recipes ".
              > > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
              > > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans
              forest
              > > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible
              garden
              > > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
              > > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
              > > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2
              or 3
              > > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was
              almost
              > > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
              > > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
              > > lush now .
              > > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
              > > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to
              not
              > > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process
              that
              > > tilling promote .
              > >
              > > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if
              it
              > > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are
              free
              > > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
              > >
              > > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
              > >
              > > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
              > > august .
              > >
              > > jean-claude
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            • Peggy James
              Hi Mary Jo, I have noticed that wherever I ve planted sweet potatoes there are far fewer weeds the next year than before. Sweet potatoes are easy to grow and
              Message 6 of 19 , Jul 5, 2004
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                Hi Mary Jo,

                I have noticed that wherever I've planted sweet potatoes there are
                far fewer weeds the next year than before. Sweet potatoes are easy to
                grow and they're drought-tolerant. Even if you're not growing them for
                the sweet potatoes, they make an attractive ground cover (which is
                unfortunately killed by frost). They take very little care once they're
                established. Trim the vines back with clippers wherever you don't want
                them to grow.

                Miss Puffman
                32N 96W

                Mary Jo Terry wrote:

                > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot
                > of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without
                > tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
                > Jo_Al
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Vijay Wilankar
                > Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
                > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                > Cc: vijaywilankar@...
                > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
                >
                > > Dear All,
                > >
                > > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit....
                > applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
                > >
                > > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
                > >
                > > Regards,
                > >
                > > Vijay
                > >
                > > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
                > > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
                > > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home
                > garden. I
                > > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
                > > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where
                > it
                > > > takes me and my right livelihood.
                > > >
                > > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
                > > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about
                > putting
                > > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
                > > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
                > > >
                > > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
                > > > home garden?
                > > >
                > > > Benjamin
                > >
                > > are you the one who started this web site ?
                > > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my
                > workshop about
                > > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it
                > locally in
                > > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering
                > on the
                > > north west those last 10 years ).
                > > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i
                > emphasis a
                > > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not
                > interested in
                > > giving "recipes ".
                > > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the
                > process
                > > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans
                > forest
                > > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an
                > edible garden
                > > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate,
                > artichokes,
                > > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas
                > ,
                > > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus
                > ,2 or 3
                > > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there
                > was almost
                > > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer
                > of
                > > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and
                > more
                > > lush now .
                > > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of
                > not
                > > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at
                > least to not
                > > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process
                > that
                > > tilling promote .
                > >
                > > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching
                > especially if it
                > > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops
                > are free
                > > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
                > >
                > > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
                > >
                > > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the
                > end of
                > > august .
                > >
                > > jean-claude
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              • benonthenet
                ... lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don t till. Mary Joy, If you have
                Message 7 of 19 , Jul 5, 2004
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                  > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a
                  lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them
                  without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.

                  Mary Joy,

                  If you have grasses that form root mats like bermuda grass, you'll
                  have to do an initial digging to dig them out. If they are pretty
                  established, you'll wind up digging out a foot of roots and top soil.
                  I would not suggest sifting the the roots to get some of that soil
                  back into the ground. If any little pieces of root end back in the
                  ground, you'll be stuck with the grass again.

                  I had to dig out my community garden plot I recently started. The
                  good thing is that once you dig out the grass, it's so much easier to
                  control. Part of the solution to dealing with grasses after getting
                  the garden started is working with plants that can survive with some
                  grass. It may be helpful to also plant the border with something that
                  will keep the grass at bay like sweet potato or a variety of clumping
                  bamboo. If you use bamboo (they come in dwarf varieties too), you
                  don't want a bamboo that reproduces by runners. Bamboo is a grass and
                  the running types will produce a root mat that is virtually
                  impregnable.

                  Another part of the solution is to plant so that very little to no
                  light reaches the ground. Grass are sun lovers. Exposed and desturbed
                  ground or open stretches of land is where they naturally thrive.
                  Deprive them of light and you eliminate them.

                  Benjamin
                • Mary Jo Terry
                  Thanks Les, I will try this on a small scale to start. Sounds workable for a small veg. garden or flowers either. Jo_Al ... From: les landeck Sent: 7/4/2004
                  Message 8 of 19 , Jul 7, 2004
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                    Thanks Les,
                    I will try this on a small scale to start. Sounds workable for a small veg. garden or flowers either.
                    Jo_Al
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: les landeck
                    Sent: 7/4/2004 6:48:47 PM
                    To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
                  • Mary Jo Terry
                    Miss Puffman Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year? Jo_Al
                    Message 9 of 19 , Jul 8, 2004
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                      Miss Puffman
                      Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year?
                      Jo_Al
                    • Peggy James
                      I plant the sweet potato slips in round depressions in the ground. These depressions are called hills. The hills are about the same dimension across as a
                      Message 10 of 19 , Jul 8, 2004
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                        I plant the sweet potato slips in round depressions in the ground. These
                        depressions are called "hills." The hills are about the same dimension
                        across as a large salad bowl, and about as deep. The idea is to catch
                        water for the newly-planted slips until they are established. Once
                        they're established, you don't have to water.

                        You don't have to pile soil up around sweet potatoes. Sweet potato vines
                        grow along the ground like ivy. They don't stand up like white potato
                        vines (which do have to be earthed-up).

                        No, it's not to late to plant.

                        You can start slips in compost and have them in about six weeks. You can
                        start them in a glass of water, too, and have some in about 10 days. Put
                        the pointed end down in the water, and cut slips off as wanted.

                        The slips I planted this year were started in sand on March 1 of this
                        year. They came from sweet potatoes harvested on Thanksgiving day last
                        year. Holding sweet potatoes from the previous year's harvest in a box
                        of dry sand is a way to have slips ready to go when I want them.

                        Actually, if you don't want to mess with slips and all you need is weed
                        control, you can bury the sweet potatoes wherever you want and let them
                        take over. It may take a week or two for slips to emerge. Make sure you
                        get organic potatoes--others might have been sprayed with a sprout
                        inhibitor.

                        Happy Farming!

                        Miss Puffman
                        32N 96W

                        Mary Jo Terry wrote:

                        > Miss Puffman
                        > Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new
                        > potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year?
                        > Jo_Al
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                      • benonthenet
                        Once you have some sweet potato vines, you can just take cuttings push them into the ground. Keep them moist until they root (about a week or two).
                        Message 11 of 19 , Jul 8, 2004
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                          Once you have some sweet potato vines, you can just take cuttings
                          push them into the ground. Keep them moist until they root (about a
                          week or two).
                        • Mary Jo Terry
                          Thanks for the info. Now I have to get to the garden! Jo_Al
                          Message 12 of 19 , Jul 9, 2004
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                            Thanks for the info. Now I have to get to the garden!
                            Jo_Al
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