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  • Vernon Sinclair
    Hi there, A friend of mine just told me about a German made, award winning, cone shaped, portable, solar water distiller/desalinator. It distilled about 3
    Message 1 of 19 , Jul 1 9:26 PM
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      Hi there,

      A friend of mine just told me about a German made, award winning, cone
      shaped, portable, solar water distiller/desalinator. It distilled about 3
      gallons a day, was made out of molded plastic, black on the bottom to hold
      heat... It cost about $50.00 US.

      Does that sound like anything anyone here might have heard of? I have
      Googled the heck out of it and I can't find anything like it. I tried the
      Real Goods site too.

      thanks in advance,

      Melanie
    • Sergio Montinola
      Dear Vernon, We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please send more info or the party who is able to sell and supply our need. Thanks, Sergio J.
      Message 2 of 19 , Jul 2 3:05 PM
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        Dear Vernon,

        We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please
        send more info or the party who is able to sell and
        supply our need. Thanks,

        Sergio J. Montinola

        -






        -- Vernon Sinclair <vernon.sinclair@...> wrote:
        > Hi there,
        >
        > A friend of mine just told me about a German made,
        > award winning, cone
        > shaped, portable, solar water distiller/desalinator.
        > It distilled about 3
        > gallons a day, was made out of molded plastic, black
        > on the bottom to hold
        > heat... It cost about $50.00 US.
        >
        > Does that sound like anything anyone here might have
        > heard of? I have
        > Googled the heck out of it and I can't find anything
        > like it. I tried the
        > Real Goods site too.
        >
        > thanks in advance,
        >
        > Melanie
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >





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      • Mary Jo Terry
        I d like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They
        Message 3 of 19 , Jul 4 1:39 AM
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          I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
          Jo_Al
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Vijay Wilankar
          Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
          To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
          Cc: vijaywilankar@...
          Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach

          > Dear All,
          >
          > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
          >
          > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
          >
          > Regards,
          >
          > Vijay
          >
          > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
          > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
          > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
          > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
          > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
          > > takes me and my right livelihood.
          > >
          > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
          > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
          > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
          > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
          > >
          > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
          > > home garden?
          > >
          > > Benjamin
          >
          > are you the one who started this web site ?
          > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop about
          > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally in
          > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on the
          > north west those last 10 years ).
          > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i emphasis a
          > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested in
          > giving "recipes ".
          > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
          > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans forest
          > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible garden
          > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
          > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
          > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2 or 3
          > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was almost
          > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
          > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
          > lush now .
          > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
          > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to not
          > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process that
          > tilling promote .
          >
          > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if it
          > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are free
          > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
          >
          > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
          >
          > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
          > august .
          >
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        • les landeck
          -- Hi Mary Jo last year i sent in a number of responses talking about the use of used office carpet as a step to no till farming, John contributed his use and
          Message 4 of 19 , Jul 4 5:48 PM
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            --
            Hi Mary Jo

            last year i sent in a number of responses talking
            about the use of used office carpet as a step to no
            till farming, John contributed his use and perspective
            as did Stephen showing to problems that will develop
            when the carpet is not lifted or moved from time to
            time it's not a set it and forget it solution nor is a
            final answer to our needs but it is a learning tool
            that could help many move in a no till direction, it
            will weaken the bermuda grass while improving your
            soil structure to a natural state. depending on your
            soil type it will take 1 to 6 months. some where in
            that time the soil will become hand workable so
            removal of any die hard roots will come out quite
            easy. do lift or move around the carpet from time to
            time and monitor the changes keep the soil moist to
            support the other life forms that will be helping you,
            and maybe remove all together and water to germinate
            any seed in the soil than recover i would expand out
            from the center of the garden. when the carpet is
            removed the soil will be loose from worm and soil
            insect activity and any stray runners will not have a
            firm grip as they do now. solarizing with clear or
            black plastic will work to kill all life were the
            carpet only effects plant life in a more passive way,
            while providing habitat in a beneficial way for many
            others.
            johnson grass is more of a seed problem that when you
            stop turning the soil and bringing seed to the surface
            were it can germinate will be greatly reduced. some
            layer composting or as some call sheet mulching or
            just returning straw or other plant material to cover
            the soil and provide food to the soil life will help a
            great deal.

            Les







            - Mary Jo Terry <meme@...> wrote:
            > I'd like to know more about gardening without
            > tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson
            > grasses here. How do I get rid of them without
            > tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't
            > till.
            > Jo_Al >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            >
            >
            >






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          • Vernon Sinclair
            Hi Sergio, I m sorry to disappoint you, but I m looking for it myself. If I track down the manufacturer I ll post it to the list so that you can know too. take
            Message 5 of 19 , Jul 4 11:27 PM
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              Hi Sergio,

              I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm looking for it myself. If I track down
              the manufacturer I'll post it to the list so that you can know too.

              take care,

              Melanie (Vernon)

              At 03:05 PM 7/2/2004 -0700, you wrote:
              >Dear Vernon,
              >
              >We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please
              >send more info or the party who is able to sell and
              >supply our need. Thanks,
              >
              >Sergio J. Montinola
            • Judy Hayes
              I know that here in Az I have the bermuda problem also... tilling broke up the roots for the grass so it would always grow back, I had to take and bake the
              Message 6 of 19 , Jul 5 2:01 PM
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                I know that here in Az I have the bermuda problem also... tilling broke up
                the roots for the grass so it would always grow back, I had to take and bake
                the grass by covering it in plastic and allowing it to heat up for a month
                or two... that killed off most of it for me... I havent had a chance to do
                that in my front yard yet since there was so many veggies growing... but the
                basil choked out the bermuda in one area lol.. so that was nice.
                Judy Lynn
                http://www.tomatothyme.com
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Mary Jo Terry" <meme@...>
                To: <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 1:39 AM
                Subject: Re: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach


                > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of
                bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling?
                They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
                > Jo_Al
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Vijay Wilankar
                > Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
                > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                > Cc: vijaywilankar@...
                > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
                >
                > > Dear All,
                > >
                > > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying
                the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
                > >
                > > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
                > >
                > > Regards,
                > >
                > > Vijay
                > >
                > > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
                > > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
                > > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
                > > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
                > > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
                > > > takes me and my right livelihood.
                > > >
                > > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
                > > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
                > > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
                > > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
                > > >
                > > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
                > > > home garden?
                > > >
                > > > Benjamin
                > >
                > > are you the one who started this web site ?
                > > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop
                about
                > > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally
                in
                > > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on
                the
                > > north west those last 10 years ).
                > > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i
                emphasis a
                > > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested
                in
                > > giving "recipes ".
                > > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
                > > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans
                forest
                > > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible
                garden
                > > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
                > > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
                > > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2
                or 3
                > > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was
                almost
                > > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
                > > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
                > > lush now .
                > > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
                > > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to
                not
                > > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process
                that
                > > tilling promote .
                > >
                > > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if
                it
                > > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are
                free
                > > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
                > >
                > > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
                > >
                > > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
                > > august .
                > >
                > > jean-claude
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              • Peggy James
                Hi Mary Jo, I have noticed that wherever I ve planted sweet potatoes there are far fewer weeds the next year than before. Sweet potatoes are easy to grow and
                Message 7 of 19 , Jul 5 3:17 PM
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                  Hi Mary Jo,

                  I have noticed that wherever I've planted sweet potatoes there are
                  far fewer weeds the next year than before. Sweet potatoes are easy to
                  grow and they're drought-tolerant. Even if you're not growing them for
                  the sweet potatoes, they make an attractive ground cover (which is
                  unfortunately killed by frost). They take very little care once they're
                  established. Trim the vines back with clippers wherever you don't want
                  them to grow.

                  Miss Puffman
                  32N 96W

                  Mary Jo Terry wrote:

                  > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot
                  > of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without
                  > tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
                  > Jo_Al
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Vijay Wilankar
                  > Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
                  > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                  > Cc: vijaywilankar@...
                  > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
                  >
                  > > Dear All,
                  > >
                  > > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit....
                  > applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
                  > >
                  > > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
                  > >
                  > > Regards,
                  > >
                  > > Vijay
                  > >
                  > > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
                  > > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
                  > > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home
                  > garden. I
                  > > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
                  > > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where
                  > it
                  > > > takes me and my right livelihood.
                  > > >
                  > > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
                  > > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about
                  > putting
                  > > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
                  > > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
                  > > >
                  > > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
                  > > > home garden?
                  > > >
                  > > > Benjamin
                  > >
                  > > are you the one who started this web site ?
                  > > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my
                  > workshop about
                  > > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it
                  > locally in
                  > > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering
                  > on the
                  > > north west those last 10 years ).
                  > > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i
                  > emphasis a
                  > > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not
                  > interested in
                  > > giving "recipes ".
                  > > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the
                  > process
                  > > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans
                  > forest
                  > > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an
                  > edible garden
                  > > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate,
                  > artichokes,
                  > > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas
                  > ,
                  > > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus
                  > ,2 or 3
                  > > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there
                  > was almost
                  > > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer
                  > of
                  > > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and
                  > more
                  > > lush now .
                  > > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of
                  > not
                  > > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at
                  > least to not
                  > > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process
                  > that
                  > > tilling promote .
                  > >
                  > > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching
                  > especially if it
                  > > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops
                  > are free
                  > > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
                  > >
                  > > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
                  > >
                  > > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the
                  > end of
                  > > august .
                  > >
                  > > jean-claude
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                • benonthenet
                  ... lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don t till. Mary Joy, If you have
                  Message 8 of 19 , Jul 5 9:27 PM
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                    > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a
                    lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them
                    without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.

                    Mary Joy,

                    If you have grasses that form root mats like bermuda grass, you'll
                    have to do an initial digging to dig them out. If they are pretty
                    established, you'll wind up digging out a foot of roots and top soil.
                    I would not suggest sifting the the roots to get some of that soil
                    back into the ground. If any little pieces of root end back in the
                    ground, you'll be stuck with the grass again.

                    I had to dig out my community garden plot I recently started. The
                    good thing is that once you dig out the grass, it's so much easier to
                    control. Part of the solution to dealing with grasses after getting
                    the garden started is working with plants that can survive with some
                    grass. It may be helpful to also plant the border with something that
                    will keep the grass at bay like sweet potato or a variety of clumping
                    bamboo. If you use bamboo (they come in dwarf varieties too), you
                    don't want a bamboo that reproduces by runners. Bamboo is a grass and
                    the running types will produce a root mat that is virtually
                    impregnable.

                    Another part of the solution is to plant so that very little to no
                    light reaches the ground. Grass are sun lovers. Exposed and desturbed
                    ground or open stretches of land is where they naturally thrive.
                    Deprive them of light and you eliminate them.

                    Benjamin
                  • Mary Jo Terry
                    Thanks Les, I will try this on a small scale to start. Sounds workable for a small veg. garden or flowers either. Jo_Al ... From: les landeck Sent: 7/4/2004
                    Message 9 of 19 , Jul 7 11:33 PM
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                      Thanks Les,
                      I will try this on a small scale to start. Sounds workable for a small veg. garden or flowers either.
                      Jo_Al
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: les landeck
                      Sent: 7/4/2004 6:48:47 PM
                      To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
                    • Mary Jo Terry
                      Miss Puffman Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year? Jo_Al
                      Message 10 of 19 , Jul 8 12:04 AM
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                        Miss Puffman
                        Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year?
                        Jo_Al
                      • Peggy James
                        I plant the sweet potato slips in round depressions in the ground. These depressions are called hills. The hills are about the same dimension across as a
                        Message 11 of 19 , Jul 8 7:36 AM
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                          I plant the sweet potato slips in round depressions in the ground. These
                          depressions are called "hills." The hills are about the same dimension
                          across as a large salad bowl, and about as deep. The idea is to catch
                          water for the newly-planted slips until they are established. Once
                          they're established, you don't have to water.

                          You don't have to pile soil up around sweet potatoes. Sweet potato vines
                          grow along the ground like ivy. They don't stand up like white potato
                          vines (which do have to be earthed-up).

                          No, it's not to late to plant.

                          You can start slips in compost and have them in about six weeks. You can
                          start them in a glass of water, too, and have some in about 10 days. Put
                          the pointed end down in the water, and cut slips off as wanted.

                          The slips I planted this year were started in sand on March 1 of this
                          year. They came from sweet potatoes harvested on Thanksgiving day last
                          year. Holding sweet potatoes from the previous year's harvest in a box
                          of dry sand is a way to have slips ready to go when I want them.

                          Actually, if you don't want to mess with slips and all you need is weed
                          control, you can bury the sweet potatoes wherever you want and let them
                          take over. It may take a week or two for slips to emerge. Make sure you
                          get organic potatoes--others might have been sprayed with a sprout
                          inhibitor.

                          Happy Farming!

                          Miss Puffman
                          32N 96W

                          Mary Jo Terry wrote:

                          > Miss Puffman
                          > Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new
                          > potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year?
                          > Jo_Al
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                        • benonthenet
                          Once you have some sweet potato vines, you can just take cuttings push them into the ground. Keep them moist until they root (about a week or two).
                          Message 12 of 19 , Jul 8 4:59 PM
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                            Once you have some sweet potato vines, you can just take cuttings
                            push them into the ground. Keep them moist until they root (about a
                            week or two).
                          • Mary Jo Terry
                            Thanks for the info. Now I have to get to the garden! Jo_Al
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                              Thanks for the info. Now I have to get to the garden!
                              Jo_Al
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