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  • Vernon Sinclair
    Hi Benjamin, I would be interested in learning more about your workshops. I m in Long Beach too. Do you know about the Long Beach Community Garden? You must.
    Message 1 of 19 , Jun 28, 2004
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      Hi Benjamin,

      I would be interested in learning more about your workshops. I'm in Long
      Beach too. Do you know about the Long Beach Community Garden? You must. At
      any rate, feel free to email me with information.

      take care,

      Melanie
      vs@...

      At 10:00 PM 6/28/2004 +0000, you wrote:
      >I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
      >interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden.
    • Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry
      ... are you the one who started this web site ? yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop about natural way of farming , it is only
      Message 2 of 19 , Jun 29, 2004
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        > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
        > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
        > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
        > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
        > takes me and my right livelihood.
        >
        > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
        > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
        > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
        > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
        >
        > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
        > home garden?
        >
        > Benjamin

        are you the one who started this web site ?
        yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop about
        natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally in
        over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on the
        north west those last 10 years ).
        i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i emphasis a
        lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested in
        giving "recipes ".
        we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
        going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans forest
        .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible garden
        ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
        greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
        yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2 or 3
        bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was almost
        no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
        earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
        lush now .
        i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
        tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to not
        till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process that
        tilling promote .

        i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if it
        is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are free
        ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .

        if you are interested to share we can do it off line .

        ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
        august .

        jean-claude
      • Vijay Wilankar
        I am Vijay from India. Am interested to know more about it. Keen to learn and practice. I have a small garden, where I can experiment. Regards, Vijay
        Message 3 of 19 , Jun 30, 2004
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          I am Vijay from India. Am interested to know more about it. Keen to learn and practice. I have a small garden, where I can experiment. Regards,

          Vijay

          benonthenet <benonthenet@...> wrote:
          I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
          interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
          live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
          gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
          takes me and my right livelihood.

          Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
          someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
          together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
          farming/gardening. All I need is the land.

          Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
          home garden?

          Benjamin




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        • Vijay Wilankar
          Dear All, Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka s to the home Garden. Can you suggest some
          Message 4 of 19 , Jul 1, 2004
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            Dear All,

            Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.

            Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.

            Regards,

            Vijay

            Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
            > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
            > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
            > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
            > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
            > takes me and my right livelihood.
            >
            > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
            > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
            > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
            > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
            >
            > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
            > home garden?
            >
            > Benjamin

            are you the one who started this web site ?
            yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop about
            natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally in
            over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on the
            north west those last 10 years ).
            i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i emphasis a
            lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested in
            giving "recipes ".
            we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
            going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans forest
            .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible garden
            ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
            greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
            yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2 or 3
            bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was almost
            no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
            earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
            lush now .
            i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
            tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to not
            till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process that
            tilling promote .

            i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if it
            is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are free
            ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .

            if you are interested to share we can do it off line .

            ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
            august .

            jean-claude




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          • benonthenet
            Hi, Vijay! Are you living in India now? If so, what part? What is the climate there like? Natural gardening is gardening in tune with the climate and natural
            Message 5 of 19 , Jul 1, 2004
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              Hi, Vijay!

              Are you living in India now? If so, what part? What is the climate
              there like? Natural gardening is gardening in tune with the climate
              and natural life cycle of plants. So, observing the patterns of your
              general climate the micro-climate of your garden is step one.

              Feel free to email me at benonthenet@yahoo, and I'll share what I
              know.

              Benjamin

              --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Vijay Wilankar
              <vijaywilankar@y...> wrote:
              > I am Vijay from India. Am interested to know more about it. Keen to
              learn and practice. I have a small garden, where I can experiment.
              Regards,
              >
              > Vijay
              >
              > benonthenet <benonthenet@y...> wrote:
              > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
              > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden.
              I
              > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
              > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where
              it
              > takes me and my right livelihood.
              >
              > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
              > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about
              putting
              > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
              > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
              >
              > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
              > home garden?
              >
              > Benjamin
              >
              >
              >
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            • Vernon Sinclair
              Hi there, A friend of mine just told me about a German made, award winning, cone shaped, portable, solar water distiller/desalinator. It distilled about 3
              Message 6 of 19 , Jul 1, 2004
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                Hi there,

                A friend of mine just told me about a German made, award winning, cone
                shaped, portable, solar water distiller/desalinator. It distilled about 3
                gallons a day, was made out of molded plastic, black on the bottom to hold
                heat... It cost about $50.00 US.

                Does that sound like anything anyone here might have heard of? I have
                Googled the heck out of it and I can't find anything like it. I tried the
                Real Goods site too.

                thanks in advance,

                Melanie
              • Sergio Montinola
                Dear Vernon, We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please send more info or the party who is able to sell and supply our need. Thanks, Sergio J.
                Message 7 of 19 , Jul 2, 2004
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                  Dear Vernon,

                  We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please
                  send more info or the party who is able to sell and
                  supply our need. Thanks,

                  Sergio J. Montinola

                  -






                  -- Vernon Sinclair <vernon.sinclair@...> wrote:
                  > Hi there,
                  >
                  > A friend of mine just told me about a German made,
                  > award winning, cone
                  > shaped, portable, solar water distiller/desalinator.
                  > It distilled about 3
                  > gallons a day, was made out of molded plastic, black
                  > on the bottom to hold
                  > heat... It cost about $50.00 US.
                  >
                  > Does that sound like anything anyone here might have
                  > heard of? I have
                  > Googled the heck out of it and I can't find anything
                  > like it. I tried the
                  > Real Goods site too.
                  >
                  > thanks in advance,
                  >
                  > Melanie
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >





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                • Mary Jo Terry
                  I d like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They
                  Message 8 of 19 , Jul 4, 2004
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                    I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
                    Jo_Al
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Vijay Wilankar
                    Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
                    To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                    Cc: vijaywilankar@...
                    Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach

                    > Dear All,
                    >
                    > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
                    >
                    > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
                    >
                    > Regards,
                    >
                    > Vijay
                    >
                    > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
                    > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
                    > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
                    > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
                    > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
                    > > takes me and my right livelihood.
                    > >
                    > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
                    > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
                    > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
                    > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
                    > >
                    > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
                    > > home garden?
                    > >
                    > > Benjamin
                    >
                    > are you the one who started this web site ?
                    > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop about
                    > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally in
                    > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on the
                    > north west those last 10 years ).
                    > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i emphasis a
                    > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested in
                    > giving "recipes ".
                    > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
                    > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans forest
                    > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible garden
                    > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
                    > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
                    > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2 or 3
                    > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was almost
                    > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
                    > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
                    > lush now .
                    > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
                    > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to not
                    > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process that
                    > tilling promote .
                    >
                    > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if it
                    > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are free
                    > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
                    >
                    > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
                    >
                    > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
                    > august .
                    >
                    > jean-claude
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
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                  • les landeck
                    -- Hi Mary Jo last year i sent in a number of responses talking about the use of used office carpet as a step to no till farming, John contributed his use and
                    Message 9 of 19 , Jul 4, 2004
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                      --
                      Hi Mary Jo

                      last year i sent in a number of responses talking
                      about the use of used office carpet as a step to no
                      till farming, John contributed his use and perspective
                      as did Stephen showing to problems that will develop
                      when the carpet is not lifted or moved from time to
                      time it's not a set it and forget it solution nor is a
                      final answer to our needs but it is a learning tool
                      that could help many move in a no till direction, it
                      will weaken the bermuda grass while improving your
                      soil structure to a natural state. depending on your
                      soil type it will take 1 to 6 months. some where in
                      that time the soil will become hand workable so
                      removal of any die hard roots will come out quite
                      easy. do lift or move around the carpet from time to
                      time and monitor the changes keep the soil moist to
                      support the other life forms that will be helping you,
                      and maybe remove all together and water to germinate
                      any seed in the soil than recover i would expand out
                      from the center of the garden. when the carpet is
                      removed the soil will be loose from worm and soil
                      insect activity and any stray runners will not have a
                      firm grip as they do now. solarizing with clear or
                      black plastic will work to kill all life were the
                      carpet only effects plant life in a more passive way,
                      while providing habitat in a beneficial way for many
                      others.
                      johnson grass is more of a seed problem that when you
                      stop turning the soil and bringing seed to the surface
                      were it can germinate will be greatly reduced. some
                      layer composting or as some call sheet mulching or
                      just returning straw or other plant material to cover
                      the soil and provide food to the soil life will help a
                      great deal.

                      Les







                      - Mary Jo Terry <meme@...> wrote:
                      > I'd like to know more about gardening without
                      > tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson
                      > grasses here. How do I get rid of them without
                      > tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't
                      > till.
                      > Jo_Al >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      >
                      >






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                    • Vernon Sinclair
                      Hi Sergio, I m sorry to disappoint you, but I m looking for it myself. If I track down the manufacturer I ll post it to the list so that you can know too. take
                      Message 10 of 19 , Jul 4, 2004
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                        Hi Sergio,

                        I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm looking for it myself. If I track down
                        the manufacturer I'll post it to the list so that you can know too.

                        take care,

                        Melanie (Vernon)

                        At 03:05 PM 7/2/2004 -0700, you wrote:
                        >Dear Vernon,
                        >
                        >We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please
                        >send more info or the party who is able to sell and
                        >supply our need. Thanks,
                        >
                        >Sergio J. Montinola
                      • Judy Hayes
                        I know that here in Az I have the bermuda problem also... tilling broke up the roots for the grass so it would always grow back, I had to take and bake the
                        Message 11 of 19 , Jul 5, 2004
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                          I know that here in Az I have the bermuda problem also... tilling broke up
                          the roots for the grass so it would always grow back, I had to take and bake
                          the grass by covering it in plastic and allowing it to heat up for a month
                          or two... that killed off most of it for me... I havent had a chance to do
                          that in my front yard yet since there was so many veggies growing... but the
                          basil choked out the bermuda in one area lol.. so that was nice.
                          Judy Lynn
                          http://www.tomatothyme.com
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Mary Jo Terry" <meme@...>
                          To: <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 1:39 AM
                          Subject: Re: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach


                          > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of
                          bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling?
                          They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
                          > Jo_Al
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: Vijay Wilankar
                          > Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
                          > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                          > Cc: vijaywilankar@...
                          > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
                          >
                          > > Dear All,
                          > >
                          > > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying
                          the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
                          > >
                          > > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
                          > >
                          > > Regards,
                          > >
                          > > Vijay
                          > >
                          > > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
                          > > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
                          > > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
                          > > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
                          > > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
                          > > > takes me and my right livelihood.
                          > > >
                          > > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
                          > > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
                          > > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
                          > > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
                          > > >
                          > > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
                          > > > home garden?
                          > > >
                          > > > Benjamin
                          > >
                          > > are you the one who started this web site ?
                          > > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop
                          about
                          > > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally
                          in
                          > > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on
                          the
                          > > north west those last 10 years ).
                          > > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i
                          emphasis a
                          > > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested
                          in
                          > > giving "recipes ".
                          > > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
                          > > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans
                          forest
                          > > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible
                          garden
                          > > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
                          > > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
                          > > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2
                          or 3
                          > > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was
                          almost
                          > > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
                          > > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
                          > > lush now .
                          > > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
                          > > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to
                          not
                          > > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process
                          that
                          > > tilling promote .
                          > >
                          > > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if
                          it
                          > > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are
                          free
                          > > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
                          > >
                          > > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
                          > >
                          > > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
                          > > august .
                          > >
                          > > jean-claude
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
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                        • Peggy James
                          Hi Mary Jo, I have noticed that wherever I ve planted sweet potatoes there are far fewer weeds the next year than before. Sweet potatoes are easy to grow and
                          Message 12 of 19 , Jul 5, 2004
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                            Hi Mary Jo,

                            I have noticed that wherever I've planted sweet potatoes there are
                            far fewer weeds the next year than before. Sweet potatoes are easy to
                            grow and they're drought-tolerant. Even if you're not growing them for
                            the sweet potatoes, they make an attractive ground cover (which is
                            unfortunately killed by frost). They take very little care once they're
                            established. Trim the vines back with clippers wherever you don't want
                            them to grow.

                            Miss Puffman
                            32N 96W

                            Mary Jo Terry wrote:

                            > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot
                            > of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without
                            > tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
                            > Jo_Al
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                            > From: Vijay Wilankar
                            > Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
                            > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                            > Cc: vijaywilankar@...
                            > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
                            >
                            > > Dear All,
                            > >
                            > > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit....
                            > applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
                            > >
                            > > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
                            > >
                            > > Regards,
                            > >
                            > > Vijay
                            > >
                            > > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
                            > > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
                            > > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home
                            > garden. I
                            > > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
                            > > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where
                            > it
                            > > > takes me and my right livelihood.
                            > > >
                            > > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
                            > > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about
                            > putting
                            > > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
                            > > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
                            > > >
                            > > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
                            > > > home garden?
                            > > >
                            > > > Benjamin
                            > >
                            > > are you the one who started this web site ?
                            > > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my
                            > workshop about
                            > > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it
                            > locally in
                            > > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering
                            > on the
                            > > north west those last 10 years ).
                            > > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i
                            > emphasis a
                            > > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not
                            > interested in
                            > > giving "recipes ".
                            > > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the
                            > process
                            > > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans
                            > forest
                            > > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an
                            > edible garden
                            > > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate,
                            > artichokes,
                            > > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas
                            > ,
                            > > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus
                            > ,2 or 3
                            > > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there
                            > was almost
                            > > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer
                            > of
                            > > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and
                            > more
                            > > lush now .
                            > > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of
                            > not
                            > > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at
                            > least to not
                            > > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process
                            > that
                            > > tilling promote .
                            > >
                            > > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching
                            > especially if it
                            > > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops
                            > are free
                            > > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
                            > >
                            > > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
                            > >
                            > > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the
                            > end of
                            > > august .
                            > >
                            > > jean-claude
                            > >
                            > >
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                          • benonthenet
                            ... lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don t till. Mary Joy, If you have
                            Message 13 of 19 , Jul 5, 2004
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                              > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a
                              lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them
                              without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.

                              Mary Joy,

                              If you have grasses that form root mats like bermuda grass, you'll
                              have to do an initial digging to dig them out. If they are pretty
                              established, you'll wind up digging out a foot of roots and top soil.
                              I would not suggest sifting the the roots to get some of that soil
                              back into the ground. If any little pieces of root end back in the
                              ground, you'll be stuck with the grass again.

                              I had to dig out my community garden plot I recently started. The
                              good thing is that once you dig out the grass, it's so much easier to
                              control. Part of the solution to dealing with grasses after getting
                              the garden started is working with plants that can survive with some
                              grass. It may be helpful to also plant the border with something that
                              will keep the grass at bay like sweet potato or a variety of clumping
                              bamboo. If you use bamboo (they come in dwarf varieties too), you
                              don't want a bamboo that reproduces by runners. Bamboo is a grass and
                              the running types will produce a root mat that is virtually
                              impregnable.

                              Another part of the solution is to plant so that very little to no
                              light reaches the ground. Grass are sun lovers. Exposed and desturbed
                              ground or open stretches of land is where they naturally thrive.
                              Deprive them of light and you eliminate them.

                              Benjamin
                            • Mary Jo Terry
                              Thanks Les, I will try this on a small scale to start. Sounds workable for a small veg. garden or flowers either. Jo_Al ... From: les landeck Sent: 7/4/2004
                              Message 14 of 19 , Jul 7, 2004
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                                Thanks Les,
                                I will try this on a small scale to start. Sounds workable for a small veg. garden or flowers either.
                                Jo_Al
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: les landeck
                                Sent: 7/4/2004 6:48:47 PM
                                To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
                              • Mary Jo Terry
                                Miss Puffman Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year? Jo_Al
                                Message 15 of 19 , Jul 8, 2004
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                                  Miss Puffman
                                  Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year?
                                  Jo_Al
                                • Peggy James
                                  I plant the sweet potato slips in round depressions in the ground. These depressions are called hills. The hills are about the same dimension across as a
                                  Message 16 of 19 , Jul 8, 2004
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                                    I plant the sweet potato slips in round depressions in the ground. These
                                    depressions are called "hills." The hills are about the same dimension
                                    across as a large salad bowl, and about as deep. The idea is to catch
                                    water for the newly-planted slips until they are established. Once
                                    they're established, you don't have to water.

                                    You don't have to pile soil up around sweet potatoes. Sweet potato vines
                                    grow along the ground like ivy. They don't stand up like white potato
                                    vines (which do have to be earthed-up).

                                    No, it's not to late to plant.

                                    You can start slips in compost and have them in about six weeks. You can
                                    start them in a glass of water, too, and have some in about 10 days. Put
                                    the pointed end down in the water, and cut slips off as wanted.

                                    The slips I planted this year were started in sand on March 1 of this
                                    year. They came from sweet potatoes harvested on Thanksgiving day last
                                    year. Holding sweet potatoes from the previous year's harvest in a box
                                    of dry sand is a way to have slips ready to go when I want them.

                                    Actually, if you don't want to mess with slips and all you need is weed
                                    control, you can bury the sweet potatoes wherever you want and let them
                                    take over. It may take a week or two for slips to emerge. Make sure you
                                    get organic potatoes--others might have been sprayed with a sprout
                                    inhibitor.

                                    Happy Farming!

                                    Miss Puffman
                                    32N 96W

                                    Mary Jo Terry wrote:

                                    > Miss Puffman
                                    > Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new
                                    > potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year?
                                    > Jo_Al
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                                  • benonthenet
                                    Once you have some sweet potato vines, you can just take cuttings push them into the ground. Keep them moist until they root (about a week or two).
                                    Message 17 of 19 , Jul 8, 2004
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                                      Once you have some sweet potato vines, you can just take cuttings
                                      push them into the ground. Keep them moist until they root (about a
                                      week or two).
                                    • Mary Jo Terry
                                      Thanks for the info. Now I have to get to the garden! Jo_Al
                                      Message 18 of 19 , Jul 9, 2004
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                                        Thanks for the info. Now I have to get to the garden!
                                        Jo_Al
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