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  • benonthenet
    I m starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka s principles to the home garden. I live in an arid climate, I
    Message 1 of 19 , Jun 28, 2004
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      I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
      interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
      live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
      gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
      takes me and my right livelihood.

      Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
      someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
      together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
      farming/gardening. All I need is the land.

      Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
      home garden?

      Benjamin
    • Vernon Sinclair
      Hi Benjamin, I would be interested in learning more about your workshops. I m in Long Beach too. Do you know about the Long Beach Community Garden? You must.
      Message 2 of 19 , Jun 28, 2004
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        Hi Benjamin,

        I would be interested in learning more about your workshops. I'm in Long
        Beach too. Do you know about the Long Beach Community Garden? You must. At
        any rate, feel free to email me with information.

        take care,

        Melanie
        vs@...

        At 10:00 PM 6/28/2004 +0000, you wrote:
        >I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
        >interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden.
      • Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry
        ... are you the one who started this web site ? yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop about natural way of farming , it is only
        Message 3 of 19 , Jun 29, 2004
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          > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
          > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
          > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
          > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
          > takes me and my right livelihood.
          >
          > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
          > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
          > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
          > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
          >
          > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
          > home garden?
          >
          > Benjamin

          are you the one who started this web site ?
          yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop about
          natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally in
          over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on the
          north west those last 10 years ).
          i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i emphasis a
          lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested in
          giving "recipes ".
          we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
          going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans forest
          .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible garden
          ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
          greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
          yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2 or 3
          bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was almost
          no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
          earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
          lush now .
          i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
          tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to not
          till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process that
          tilling promote .

          i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if it
          is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are free
          ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .

          if you are interested to share we can do it off line .

          ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
          august .

          jean-claude
        • Vijay Wilankar
          I am Vijay from India. Am interested to know more about it. Keen to learn and practice. I have a small garden, where I can experiment. Regards, Vijay
          Message 4 of 19 , Jun 30, 2004
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            I am Vijay from India. Am interested to know more about it. Keen to learn and practice. I have a small garden, where I can experiment. Regards,

            Vijay

            benonthenet <benonthenet@...> wrote:
            I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
            interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
            live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
            gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
            takes me and my right livelihood.

            Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
            someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
            together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
            farming/gardening. All I need is the land.

            Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
            home garden?

            Benjamin




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          • Vijay Wilankar
            Dear All, Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka s to the home Garden. Can you suggest some
            Message 5 of 19 , Jul 1, 2004
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              Dear All,

              Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.

              Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.

              Regards,

              Vijay

              Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
              > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
              > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
              > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
              > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
              > takes me and my right livelihood.
              >
              > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
              > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
              > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
              > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
              >
              > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
              > home garden?
              >
              > Benjamin

              are you the one who started this web site ?
              yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop about
              natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally in
              over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on the
              north west those last 10 years ).
              i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i emphasis a
              lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested in
              giving "recipes ".
              we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
              going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans forest
              .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible garden
              ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
              greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
              yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2 or 3
              bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was almost
              no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
              earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
              lush now .
              i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
              tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to not
              till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process that
              tilling promote .

              i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if it
              is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are free
              ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .

              if you are interested to share we can do it off line .

              ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
              august .

              jean-claude




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            • benonthenet
              Hi, Vijay! Are you living in India now? If so, what part? What is the climate there like? Natural gardening is gardening in tune with the climate and natural
              Message 6 of 19 , Jul 1, 2004
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                Hi, Vijay!

                Are you living in India now? If so, what part? What is the climate
                there like? Natural gardening is gardening in tune with the climate
                and natural life cycle of plants. So, observing the patterns of your
                general climate the micro-climate of your garden is step one.

                Feel free to email me at benonthenet@yahoo, and I'll share what I
                know.

                Benjamin

                --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Vijay Wilankar
                <vijaywilankar@y...> wrote:
                > I am Vijay from India. Am interested to know more about it. Keen to
                learn and practice. I have a small garden, where I can experiment.
                Regards,
                >
                > Vijay
                >
                > benonthenet <benonthenet@y...> wrote:
                > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
                > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden.
                I
                > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
                > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where
                it
                > takes me and my right livelihood.
                >
                > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
                > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about
                putting
                > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
                > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
                >
                > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
                > home garden?
                >
                > Benjamin
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Vernon Sinclair
                Hi there, A friend of mine just told me about a German made, award winning, cone shaped, portable, solar water distiller/desalinator. It distilled about 3
                Message 7 of 19 , Jul 1, 2004
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                  Hi there,

                  A friend of mine just told me about a German made, award winning, cone
                  shaped, portable, solar water distiller/desalinator. It distilled about 3
                  gallons a day, was made out of molded plastic, black on the bottom to hold
                  heat... It cost about $50.00 US.

                  Does that sound like anything anyone here might have heard of? I have
                  Googled the heck out of it and I can't find anything like it. I tried the
                  Real Goods site too.

                  thanks in advance,

                  Melanie
                • Sergio Montinola
                  Dear Vernon, We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please send more info or the party who is able to sell and supply our need. Thanks, Sergio J.
                  Message 8 of 19 , Jul 2, 2004
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                    Dear Vernon,

                    We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please
                    send more info or the party who is able to sell and
                    supply our need. Thanks,

                    Sergio J. Montinola

                    -






                    -- Vernon Sinclair <vernon.sinclair@...> wrote:
                    > Hi there,
                    >
                    > A friend of mine just told me about a German made,
                    > award winning, cone
                    > shaped, portable, solar water distiller/desalinator.
                    > It distilled about 3
                    > gallons a day, was made out of molded plastic, black
                    > on the bottom to hold
                    > heat... It cost about $50.00 US.
                    >
                    > Does that sound like anything anyone here might have
                    > heard of? I have
                    > Googled the heck out of it and I can't find anything
                    > like it. I tried the
                    > Real Goods site too.
                    >
                    > thanks in advance,
                    >
                    > Melanie
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >





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                  • Mary Jo Terry
                    I d like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They
                    Message 9 of 19 , Jul 4, 2004
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                      I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
                      Jo_Al
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Vijay Wilankar
                      Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
                      To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                      Cc: vijaywilankar@...
                      Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach

                      > Dear All,
                      >
                      > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
                      >
                      > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
                      >
                      > Regards,
                      >
                      > Vijay
                      >
                      > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
                      > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
                      > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
                      > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
                      > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
                      > > takes me and my right livelihood.
                      > >
                      > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
                      > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
                      > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
                      > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
                      > >
                      > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
                      > > home garden?
                      > >
                      > > Benjamin
                      >
                      > are you the one who started this web site ?
                      > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop about
                      > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally in
                      > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on the
                      > north west those last 10 years ).
                      > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i emphasis a
                      > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested in
                      > giving "recipes ".
                      > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
                      > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans forest
                      > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible garden
                      > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
                      > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
                      > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2 or 3
                      > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was almost
                      > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
                      > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
                      > lush now .
                      > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
                      > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to not
                      > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process that
                      > tilling promote .
                      >
                      > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if it
                      > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are free
                      > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
                      >
                      > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
                      >
                      > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
                      > august .
                      >
                      > jean-claude
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                      >
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                    • les landeck
                      -- Hi Mary Jo last year i sent in a number of responses talking about the use of used office carpet as a step to no till farming, John contributed his use and
                      Message 10 of 19 , Jul 4, 2004
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                        --
                        Hi Mary Jo

                        last year i sent in a number of responses talking
                        about the use of used office carpet as a step to no
                        till farming, John contributed his use and perspective
                        as did Stephen showing to problems that will develop
                        when the carpet is not lifted or moved from time to
                        time it's not a set it and forget it solution nor is a
                        final answer to our needs but it is a learning tool
                        that could help many move in a no till direction, it
                        will weaken the bermuda grass while improving your
                        soil structure to a natural state. depending on your
                        soil type it will take 1 to 6 months. some where in
                        that time the soil will become hand workable so
                        removal of any die hard roots will come out quite
                        easy. do lift or move around the carpet from time to
                        time and monitor the changes keep the soil moist to
                        support the other life forms that will be helping you,
                        and maybe remove all together and water to germinate
                        any seed in the soil than recover i would expand out
                        from the center of the garden. when the carpet is
                        removed the soil will be loose from worm and soil
                        insect activity and any stray runners will not have a
                        firm grip as they do now. solarizing with clear or
                        black plastic will work to kill all life were the
                        carpet only effects plant life in a more passive way,
                        while providing habitat in a beneficial way for many
                        others.
                        johnson grass is more of a seed problem that when you
                        stop turning the soil and bringing seed to the surface
                        were it can germinate will be greatly reduced. some
                        layer composting or as some call sheet mulching or
                        just returning straw or other plant material to cover
                        the soil and provide food to the soil life will help a
                        great deal.

                        Les







                        - Mary Jo Terry <meme@...> wrote:
                        > I'd like to know more about gardening without
                        > tilling. We have a lot of bermuda and johnson
                        > grasses here. How do I get rid of them without
                        > tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't
                        > till.
                        > Jo_Al >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                        >
                        >






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                      • Vernon Sinclair
                        Hi Sergio, I m sorry to disappoint you, but I m looking for it myself. If I track down the manufacturer I ll post it to the list so that you can know too. take
                        Message 11 of 19 , Jul 4, 2004
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                          Hi Sergio,

                          I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm looking for it myself. If I track down
                          the manufacturer I'll post it to the list so that you can know too.

                          take care,

                          Melanie (Vernon)

                          At 03:05 PM 7/2/2004 -0700, you wrote:
                          >Dear Vernon,
                          >
                          >We, in the Philippines will be very interested. Please
                          >send more info or the party who is able to sell and
                          >supply our need. Thanks,
                          >
                          >Sergio J. Montinola
                        • Judy Hayes
                          I know that here in Az I have the bermuda problem also... tilling broke up the roots for the grass so it would always grow back, I had to take and bake the
                          Message 12 of 19 , Jul 5, 2004
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                            I know that here in Az I have the bermuda problem also... tilling broke up
                            the roots for the grass so it would always grow back, I had to take and bake
                            the grass by covering it in plastic and allowing it to heat up for a month
                            or two... that killed off most of it for me... I havent had a chance to do
                            that in my front yard yet since there was so many veggies growing... but the
                            basil choked out the bermuda in one area lol.. so that was nice.
                            Judy Lynn
                            http://www.tomatothyme.com
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Mary Jo Terry" <meme@...>
                            To: <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 1:39 AM
                            Subject: Re: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach


                            > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot of
                            bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling?
                            They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
                            > Jo_Al
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Vijay Wilankar
                            > Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
                            > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                            > Cc: vijaywilankar@...
                            > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
                            >
                            > > Dear All,
                            > >
                            > > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit.... applying
                            the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
                            > >
                            > > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
                            > >
                            > > Regards,
                            > >
                            > > Vijay
                            > >
                            > > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
                            > > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
                            > > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home garden. I
                            > > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
                            > > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where it
                            > > > takes me and my right livelihood.
                            > > >
                            > > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
                            > > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about putting
                            > > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
                            > > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
                            > > >
                            > > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
                            > > > home garden?
                            > > >
                            > > > Benjamin
                            > >
                            > > are you the one who started this web site ?
                            > > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my workshop
                            about
                            > > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it locally
                            in
                            > > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering on
                            the
                            > > north west those last 10 years ).
                            > > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i
                            emphasis a
                            > > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not interested
                            in
                            > > giving "recipes ".
                            > > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the process
                            > > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans
                            forest
                            > > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an edible
                            garden
                            > > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate, artichokes,
                            > > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas ,
                            > > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus ,2
                            or 3
                            > > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there was
                            almost
                            > > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer of
                            > > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and more
                            > > lush now .
                            > > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of not
                            > > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at least to
                            not
                            > > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process
                            that
                            > > tilling promote .
                            > >
                            > > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching especially if
                            it
                            > > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops are
                            free
                            > > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
                            > >
                            > > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
                            > >
                            > > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the end of
                            > > august .
                            > >
                            > > jean-claude
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
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                            > >
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                            > >
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                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
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                            > >
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                            > >
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                          • Peggy James
                            Hi Mary Jo, I have noticed that wherever I ve planted sweet potatoes there are far fewer weeds the next year than before. Sweet potatoes are easy to grow and
                            Message 13 of 19 , Jul 5, 2004
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                              Hi Mary Jo,

                              I have noticed that wherever I've planted sweet potatoes there are
                              far fewer weeds the next year than before. Sweet potatoes are easy to
                              grow and they're drought-tolerant. Even if you're not growing them for
                              the sweet potatoes, they make an attractive ground cover (which is
                              unfortunately killed by frost). They take very little care once they're
                              established. Trim the vines back with clippers wherever you don't want
                              them to grow.

                              Miss Puffman
                              32N 96W

                              Mary Jo Terry wrote:

                              > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a lot
                              > of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without
                              > tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.
                              > Jo_Al
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: Vijay Wilankar
                              > Sent: 7/1/2004 2:31:37 AM
                              > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                              > Cc: vijaywilankar@...
                              > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
                              >
                              > > Dear All,
                              > >
                              > > Can you share with your experiences for us all to benefit....
                              > applying the principle of Mr. Fukuaka's to the home Garden.
                              > >
                              > > Can you suggest some reading material or the web site.
                              > >
                              > > Regards,
                              > >
                              > > Vijay
                              > >
                              > > Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry <instinct@...> wrote:
                              > > > I'm starting workshops in my home (Long Beach, CA) for people
                              > > > interested in applying Mr. Fukuoka's principles to the home
                              > garden. I
                              > > > live in an arid climate, I specialist in dryland edible natural
                              > > > gardening. I'm so excited to share what I've learned and see where
                              > it
                              > > > takes me and my right livelihood.
                              > > >
                              > > > Take a look http://www.naturalfarming.org/ . Isn't is great that
                              > > > someone is putting this website together. I'm thinking about
                              > putting
                              > > > together a botanic garden to demonstrate arid natural
                              > > > farming/gardening. All I need is the land.
                              > > >
                              > > > Are there any others here who are applying natural farming to the
                              > > > home garden?
                              > > >
                              > > > Benjamin
                              > >
                              > > are you the one who started this web site ?
                              > > yesterday i had 15 persons coming to my home to listen to my
                              > workshop about
                              > > natural way of farming , it is only the 2 nd time i present it
                              > locally in
                              > > over 10 years ( i did it many times at primitive skills gathering
                              > on the
                              > > north west those last 10 years ).
                              > > i got one feed back that they will have prefered more hand on ( i
                              > emphasis a
                              > > lot in my teatching about attitude , principles ) and am not
                              > interested in
                              > > giving "recipes ".
                              > > we did some seed balls and did a tour of my place explaining the
                              > process
                              > > going on of transforming a native forest into an edible for humans
                              > forest
                              > > .i also show the process of transforming a rock bluff into an
                              > edible garden
                              > > ( i have 4 fig tress 1currant , 1saskatoon , 1 pomegranate,
                              > artichokes,
                              > > greens of all kind , tomatoes , jerusalem artichokes ,herbs , , ocas
                              > ,
                              > > yacoon , 1 dew berry etc ... that complemente 1 pine , 1 arbutus
                              > ,2 or 3
                              > > bonsai firs some sparse grass and moss ( originally there ) there
                              > was almost
                              > > no soils ,i brought little organic matter recovered with fine layer
                              > of
                              > > earth and sow , twice a year i do the same , it is become more and
                              > more
                              > > lush now .
                              > > i also presented some scientific datas showing the importance of
                              > not
                              > > tilling as i don't expect peoples to do natural; farming but at
                              > least to not
                              > > till anymore . my big concern is to stop the desertification process
                              > that
                              > > tilling promote .
                              > >
                              > > i will be interested to know the content of your teatching
                              > especially if it
                              > > is hand on to help me to pass the message better . all my workshops
                              > are free
                              > > ( in primitive skills gathering ) or by donations like here .
                              > >
                              > > if you are interested to share we can do it off line .
                              > >
                              > > ps i am in british colombia but might come down california at the
                              > end of
                              > > august .
                              > >
                              > > jean-claude
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                            • benonthenet
                              ... lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don t till. Mary Joy, If you have
                              Message 14 of 19 , Jul 5, 2004
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                                > I'd like to know more about gardening without tilling. We have a
                                lot of bermuda and johnson grasses here. How do I get rid of them
                                without tilling? They kill everything we plant if we don't till.

                                Mary Joy,

                                If you have grasses that form root mats like bermuda grass, you'll
                                have to do an initial digging to dig them out. If they are pretty
                                established, you'll wind up digging out a foot of roots and top soil.
                                I would not suggest sifting the the roots to get some of that soil
                                back into the ground. If any little pieces of root end back in the
                                ground, you'll be stuck with the grass again.

                                I had to dig out my community garden plot I recently started. The
                                good thing is that once you dig out the grass, it's so much easier to
                                control. Part of the solution to dealing with grasses after getting
                                the garden started is working with plants that can survive with some
                                grass. It may be helpful to also plant the border with something that
                                will keep the grass at bay like sweet potato or a variety of clumping
                                bamboo. If you use bamboo (they come in dwarf varieties too), you
                                don't want a bamboo that reproduces by runners. Bamboo is a grass and
                                the running types will produce a root mat that is virtually
                                impregnable.

                                Another part of the solution is to plant so that very little to no
                                light reaches the ground. Grass are sun lovers. Exposed and desturbed
                                ground or open stretches of land is where they naturally thrive.
                                Deprive them of light and you eliminate them.

                                Benjamin
                              • Mary Jo Terry
                                Thanks Les, I will try this on a small scale to start. Sounds workable for a small veg. garden or flowers either. Jo_Al ... From: les landeck Sent: 7/4/2004
                                Message 15 of 19 , Jul 7, 2004
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                                  Thanks Les,
                                  I will try this on a small scale to start. Sounds workable for a small veg. garden or flowers either.
                                  Jo_Al
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: les landeck
                                  Sent: 7/4/2004 6:48:47 PM
                                  To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Natural Gardening in Long Beach
                                • Mary Jo Terry
                                  Miss Puffman Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year? Jo_Al
                                  Message 16 of 19 , Jul 8, 2004
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                                    Miss Puffman
                                    Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year?
                                    Jo_Al
                                  • Peggy James
                                    I plant the sweet potato slips in round depressions in the ground. These depressions are called hills. The hills are about the same dimension across as a
                                    Message 17 of 19 , Jul 8, 2004
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                                      I plant the sweet potato slips in round depressions in the ground. These
                                      depressions are called "hills." The hills are about the same dimension
                                      across as a large salad bowl, and about as deep. The idea is to catch
                                      water for the newly-planted slips until they are established. Once
                                      they're established, you don't have to water.

                                      You don't have to pile soil up around sweet potatoes. Sweet potato vines
                                      grow along the ground like ivy. They don't stand up like white potato
                                      vines (which do have to be earthed-up).

                                      No, it's not to late to plant.

                                      You can start slips in compost and have them in about six weeks. You can
                                      start them in a glass of water, too, and have some in about 10 days. Put
                                      the pointed end down in the water, and cut slips off as wanted.

                                      The slips I planted this year were started in sand on March 1 of this
                                      year. They came from sweet potatoes harvested on Thanksgiving day last
                                      year. Holding sweet potatoes from the previous year's harvest in a box
                                      of dry sand is a way to have slips ready to go when I want them.

                                      Actually, if you don't want to mess with slips and all you need is weed
                                      control, you can bury the sweet potatoes wherever you want and let them
                                      take over. It may take a week or two for slips to emerge. Make sure you
                                      get organic potatoes--others might have been sprayed with a sprout
                                      inhibitor.

                                      Happy Farming!

                                      Miss Puffman
                                      32N 96W

                                      Mary Jo Terry wrote:

                                      > Miss Puffman
                                      > Do you pile the soil up sroung the sweet potatoes like you do the new
                                      > potatoes? Is it too late to plant them this year?
                                      > Jo_Al
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                                    • benonthenet
                                      Once you have some sweet potato vines, you can just take cuttings push them into the ground. Keep them moist until they root (about a week or two).
                                      Message 18 of 19 , Jul 8, 2004
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                                        Once you have some sweet potato vines, you can just take cuttings
                                        push them into the ground. Keep them moist until they root (about a
                                        week or two).
                                      • Mary Jo Terry
                                        Thanks for the info. Now I have to get to the garden! Jo_Al
                                        Message 19 of 19 , Jul 9, 2004
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                                          Thanks for the info. Now I have to get to the garden!
                                          Jo_Al
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