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  • animaphile
    The scientists having dialogue is down the page, but first some clarifications of the origins and therefore the emphasis of definitions of words in English:
    Message 1 of 2 , Dec 16, 2003
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      The scientists having dialogue is down the page, but first some
      clarifications of the origins and therefore the emphasis of
      definitions of words in English:

      from the

      Oxford English Dictionary

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      Agriculture

      agriculture [ægrkltjr], [-t(r)]. [ad. (prob. through Fr.
      agriculture, 17th c. in Littré), L. agricultra, i.e. agri cultra
      tillage of the land: see culture.] The science and art of
      cultivating the soil; including the allied pursuits of gathering in
      the crops and rearing live stock; tillage, husbandry, farming (in
      the widest sense).
      1603 Holland Plutarch's Mor. 9 Such tooles as pertaine to
      Agriculture and husbandrie.
      1650 J. Jones Judges Judged 35 Their sweet Farmhouses, large fields,
      and industrious Agricultures.
      1658 Sir T. Browne Gard. Cyrus II. 504 Future discovery in Botanical
      Agriculture.
      1751 Johnson Rambl. No. 145 p. 3 If we estimate dignity by immediate
      usefulness, agriculture is undoubtedly the first and noblest
      science.
      1831 Scott A. Geierst. iii. 45 A glance round the walls showed the
      implements of agriculture.
      b. restricted to, Tillage. rare.

      1862 Stanley Jew. Ch. (1877) I. xii. 228 The lands..were not fields
      for agriculture, but pastures for cattle.
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      Agrarian

      agrarian [grrn], a. and sb. [f. L. agrri-us pertaining to land (f.
      agr- field + -ri-us: see -ary) + -an. The L. was first adapted as
      agrarie (cf. contrary), or untranslated.]
      A. adj.

      1. Rom. Hist. Relating to the land: epithet of a law (Lex agraria)
      for the division of conquered lands.

      1533 Bellendene Livy iv. (1822) 379 The law Agrarie..put the Faderis
      fra the public landis, quhilkis was wranguislie possedit.
      1580 North Plutarch (1676) 647 Cæsar preferred the Law Agraria.
      1618 Bolton Florus i. xxvi. 71 Spurius Cassius, suspected of
      affecting Soveraignty, because hee had published the Agrarian Law.
      1838 Arnold Hist. Rome I. ix. 161 An agrarian law for the division
      of a certain proportion of the public land.
      2. gen. Relating to, or connected with, landed property. agrarian
      outrage, an act of violence originating in discord between landlords
      and tenants.

      17.. in Somers's Tracts II. 453 Whatever Reflections may be rais'd
      from the Agrarian Principles.
      1833 Gen. P. Thompson Exerc. (1842) II. 422 Have not your landlords
      brought you to the very eve of an agrarian war?
      1876 Rogers Pol. Econ. xiii. 23 The Irish land system familiarised
      the peasantry with agrarian outrages.
      3. Of, relating to, or connected with, cultivated land, or its
      cultivation.

      1792 A. Young Trav. France 197 Signore Giobert, academician, and of
      the agrarian society.
      1864 Burton Scot Abroad II. ii. 163 The heartless agrarian
      devastation accompanying the movements of the Russian troops.
      1867 J. Draper Amer. Civ. War I. xxvi. 445 The only bulwark..against
      the clamoring rule of agrarian majorities.
      4. Bot. Growing wild in the fields. Also, name proposed by H. C.
      Watson for the lowest of the altitudinal zones of vegetation, within
      the limits of the cultivation of corn.

      1843 H. C. Watson Distrib. Brit. Pl. 34 Agrarian region.
      1861 Buckman Rep. Brit. Assoc. (L.) We believe that the charlock is
      only an agrarian form of brassica.
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      Australian Aboriginal plant foods: a consideration of their
      nutritional composition and health implications
      Brand-Miller JC, Holt SHA
      NUTRITION RESEARCH REVIEWS
      11 (1): 5-23 JUN 1998
      Abstract:
      For at least 40-50 000 years, plants played an important but
      supplementary role in the animal-dominated diet of Australian
      Aboriginal (AA) hunter-gatherers, New knowledge of the nutrient
      composition and the special physiological effects of their foods
      provides another perspective in the current debate on the
      composition of the 'prudent' diet and the diet on which humans
      evolved. In the present paper we have calculated the average
      nutrient composition of over 800 Aboriginal plant foods tin total
      and by food group) and highlighted the differences between these and
      modem cultivated foods. The data enable us to calculate the absolute
      contribution of plant foods to total food and nutrient intake of
      traditional living AA. If plants provided 20-40 % of the energy in
      the diet (the most likely range!, then plants would have contributed
      22-44g protein, 18-36g fat, 101-202g carbohydrate, 40-80g fibre and
      90-180 mg vitamin C in a 12500kJ (3000kcal) diet. Since all the
      carbohydrate came from plant foods, the traditional AA diet would
      have been relatively low in carbohydrate (especially starch) but
      high in dietary fibre in comparison with current recommendations.
      Over half the carbohydrate could have been in the form of sugars
      derived from fruit and honey. The low glycaemic index of their
      carbohydrate foods, however, would generate a relatively low demand
      for insulin secretion and this characteristic may have protected Ak
      from a genetic predisposition to insulin resistance and its
      consequences (non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus, coronary
      heart disease, obesity). The dietary pattern and active lifestyle of
      recent hunter-gatherers such as AA may be a reference standard for
      modern human nutrition and a model for defence against diseases of
      affluence.

      Addresses:
      Brand-Miller JC, Univ Sydney, Dept Biochem, Human Nutr Unit, Sydney,
      NSW 2006, Australia
      Univ Sydney, Dept Biochem, Human Nutr Unit, Sydney, NSW 2006,
      Australia
      CSIRO, Div Human Nutr, Adelaide, SA 5000, Australia

      Publisher:
      C A B INTERNATIONAL, C/O PUBLISHING DIVISION, WALLINGFORD OX10 8DE,
      OXON, ENGLAND

      ISSN:
      0954-4224

      See the continuing discussion in the following files:
      (in the following order)

      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/O'dea-
      Ph_Trans_BioSci_RoySocLond-334-p233.pdf
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/O'dea-
      Ph_Trans_BioSci_RoySocLond-334-p240.pdf
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/Cordain-
      Amer_J_Clin_Nutr-71-3-p682.pdf
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/Milton-
      Amer_J_Clin_Nutr-71-3-p665.pdf
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/Reply_Letters-
      Amer_J_Clin_Nutr-72-6-p1589.pdf
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/Reply_Letters-
      Amer_J_Clin_Nutr-73-2-p353.pdf
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/Garden_Eden_Nutri
      tion-Asia_Pac_J_Clin_Nutr-2000-9S-p1.pdf

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      Beauty mate,
      Oz for Cheers,

      See Ya (Jyaa-ne),

      Jason
    • Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry
      could not get any of those files to work. jean-claude See the continuing discussion in the following files: (in the following order)
      Message 2 of 2 , Dec 20, 2003
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        could not get any of those files to work.
        jean-claude
        See the continuing discussion in the following files:
        (in the following order)

        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/O'dea-\
        Ph_Trans_BioSci_RoySocLond-334-p233.pdf
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/O'dea-\
        Ph_Trans_BioSci_RoySocLond-334-p240.pdf
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/Cordain-\
        Amer_J_Clin_Nutr-71-3-p682.pdf
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/Milton-\
        Amer_J_Clin_Nutr-71-3-p665.pdf
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/Reply_Letters-\
        Amer_J_Clin_Nutr-72-6-p1589.pdf
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/Reply_Letters-\
        Amer_J_Clin_Nutr-73-2-p353.pdf
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fukuoka_farming/files/Garden_Eden_\
        Nutrition-Asia_Pac_J_Clin_Nutr-2000-9S-p1.pdf

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        Beauty mates,
        Oz for Cheers,

        See Ya (Jyaa-ne),

        Jason







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