Re: [fukuoka_farming] our brother is backwith us!
- Hi Beatrice,
Finally got rid of the thousands of viagra, debt elimination, porn
offerings, and get-rich schemes emails, so now I'm going through the 900+
FukuokaFarming messages. Saving all the links you people have been
mentioning to add to the website and making some notes on some of the
threads for later comment.
Loved the stuff on the mango seed, and while fire can be an effective tool
in vegetation management I would hesitate to recommend it to anyone who has
not done it before. There have been a lot of homes lost over the years to
escaped controlled burns. I've used it and may use it this fall, but then
I've been trained to do it and have some experience with it. I also admit to
having a LOT of fun doing it as well.
Getting the rest of Emilia's and Alex Weir's stuff up on the website is a
high priority. Would love to add profiles of some of the new people on the
list to the projects section. And if anyone has any other neat ideas I'm
totally open to seeing what can be done to increase the value of the
information on the website.
Again, I apologize for not seeing the addressing problem sooner. I'd like to
blame it all on the great drugs I got for the back stuff, but that would not
be fair to my doctor. I should have been periodically checking the site to
make sure it was available.
One thought that kept coming to me while I watched the weeds take over my
yard is that I don't belive Fukuoka's methods will work unless you first
break the growing cycle of what is already growing there. Planting a cover
crop to smother weeds does not seem to work unless you somehow nuke the
weeds hard enough to give the cover crop seeds a fighting chance. The three
methods for doing this that come to mind are cultivation, fire, and a deep,
smothering mulch of some sort. And a problem with the deep mulch is that it
will suppress what's there, but forms a great place for all the airborne
weed seeds to find a home. So you end up with weeds the next season anyway.
Personally I'm thinking of fire next month, but then I'm still not thinking
all that clearly yet (but getting back to the computer sure seems to be
- Ah! Larry! Isn't being greeted with such warmth truly heartwarming?
*g* We are all glad you are back with us.
On the weeds thing.......Larry......do yourself a favor and see what
weeds are growing first..before you try to erradicate them with any
method. It has been something I have worked with this year a bit. I
have found that weeds may not be the enemy. It is known that the
weeds will bring up nutrients beyond the intended plants' reach for
one thing. I had weeds I left around my strawberries and grapes, for
instance. They were thriving. My dh pulled them one day to be ever
so helpful. The plants stopped thriving. I allowed new weeds to
take their place...and the strawberries and grapes began to thrive
I do realize that some weeds are allelopathic....and can cause other
problems as well. I suspect that we often shoot ourselves in the
foot when we pull them...or in any way remove them from our gardens.
Thinking about Nature's gardens.....Nature doesn't pull weeds, but
allows them to live in tandem with the other plants. I seriously
doubt Nature considers any plants weeds.
I don't know the names of all the weeds I left growing. Going to
work on identifying them soon. I need to find someone to teach me.
Trying to learn them all from books and online is proving confusing.
I do think this may be an important element in successfully growing
Fukuoka's way.....or any other.
- Hi Gloria,
> Ah! Larry! Isn't being greeted with such warmth truly heartwarming?Yes it is, and it sure beats the heck out of getting stoned to death for
letting the website become temporarily inaccessible.
Actually, I've made peace with the weeds. All of them. I was just wishing
there were more edible things out there as well - tomatoes, melons, squash,
I've decided on what I'll do in areas where I want to suppress the weeds in
order to grow the less aggressive vegetables. I'm just going to cut the
grass/weeds short in that area and then cover the entire area with a thick
layer of straw. Wet the straw to start it on its way to decomposing, do a
little localized turning through the winter as the more ambitious plants
push through the straw (lift the straw mulch so the plants are pulled back
through it, and then lay the mulch layer back on top of those weeds to cover
them and make them expend more energy trying to poke through the mulch
layer.) Come spring I'll just plant right into the area, probably with a
combination of transplants (my greenhouse will no longer be a chicken coop
by then) and some direct seeding. Not even going to dig paths between the
"beds", just mark them somehow to keep from walking on the planting areas.
I've got two prime areas I'm thinking about doing this to. One is the area
where I wanted to put the raised beds this year. Completely overrun with a
wide variety of plants, none of them tender vegetables. The other area is
where the chicken tractor has been moving over. Great crop of white clover
with most of the other weeds except dandelions completely knocked down.
Seriously chicken manured. Probably prime area for putting in a traditional
vegetable garden next spring. Maybe I'll move the chicken tractors to the
area that was supposed to be raised beds and use the birds to weed/fertilize
it through the winter and next year, then rotate the areas each year.
This is getting very interesting. No tilling, no heavy back-breaking labor,
no added inputs other than chicken feed (which gives us a lot of eggs,
chickens fresh and in the freezer, and new chicks in the spring to keep the
cycle going.) Biggest danger is those very dangerous sacks of chicken feed
(it was one of those )(^*#!%*^% that caused me to tear the back muscles in
the first place).