Re: [fukuoka_farming] An Inspirational Tale
- Sepp's also got a website:
--- Rex Teague <DibbleGardens@...> wrote:
> This turned up on a Permaculture list... tickles my__________________________________________________
> sensibilities tremendously - Rex
> August 24, 2001 By Reuters
> RAMINGSTEIN, Austria -- In the coldest part of
> Austria, a farmer is
> turning conventional wisdom on its head by growing a
> Garden of Eden full of tropical plants in the open
> on his steep Alpine
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>Sepp's also got a website:yeah, but it's written all funny. cain't read a durned bit of it.
that story is too amazing for words. thanks for posting, rex!
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- On 6 Sep 01, emily groff wrote:
>Stephen Canner wrote:http://babelfish.altavista.com produces a rough translation.
> yeah, but it's written all funny. cain't read a durned bit of it.
> that story is too amazing for words. thanks for posting, rex!Another website has come up in the discussion elsewhere:
Plus a spin by someone closer to the action... goto:
and search on: vesovnik
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- Dear All, I'm very pleased to have discovered a group dedicated to
the discussion of Fukuoka...especially as I will soon be taking over
the stewardship of several hectares. I live in the South of France,
and am, not surprisingly, surrounded by vineyards. Some of the land I
will be using are old vineyards themselves, soils exhausted and
compacted and I'd like to use my oppurtunity to show what can be done
with such land to try to show the local farmers the difference
between diversity and monoculture. I have no experience in farming
and would hope that there are people on this list with the practical
experience to help make my hopes realise. I have read 'One Straw
Revolution' but hope I can learn some more practical help from this
list and 'The Natural Way of Farming' that I've already ordered, but
has not yet arrived - perhaps it is out of print?
I tried to follow the Rex's link to the permaculture list at Franklin
but couldn't find anything under vesovnik, but have appended a
response by georg parlow on the pc list that casts some light on Sepp
Holzer (perhaps this is the email you had in mind Rex?).
...as i am one of the main pc activists here in austria (founding
the national pc association), i am double-minded about sepp holzer. i
it that he is able to get all the media exposure and the
receives part of the attention. however, i am wary about the fact,
my opinion it is not permaculture what he is doing, and i am afraid
sooner or later this will show and discredit permaculture.
sepp holzer is a genius in his way. he really knows his turf (in the
litteral sense of the meaning), he successfully threw out everything
learned about agriculture (also no book about organic farming,
etc. has ever spoiled his approach until 1997, when eva vesovnik
farm and said "but this is permaculture you are doing!" - he might
read something since, mainly so he knows what words to use for
reasons), he goes and boldly tries every idea he has, and he is a
sepps strongest assets (besides his marketing skills) are the intimate
knowledge of the farm he grew up on, to pay attention to his
warm air currents and all sorts of things he observes and notices
come up with the most creative explanations for his observances, and
ahead with action based on his observances and explanations.
all this could make him a great permaculturist. now let me explain
think it is not permaculture, what he is doing there:
care for the earth? honestly i am not sure about that. the natural
vegetation of the region is almost pure pine. sepp digs in 10 meter
"bad pine monoculture" with the bulldozer, turns them into
beds", plants tiny fruit trees on them, and sows them with jerusalem
artichokes, radishes and (voluntary) stinging nettle. naturally the
rampant on the exessive nutrients and the radishes are fist-big,
which is "a
prove for the superiority of permaculture".
2 or 3 years ago he had a landslide above his farmhouse, and 1 foot
in all rooms. the landslide was caused by a broken dam of his design
doing - there isnt any design, really, and never was. there is only
ideas applied - some great idaes, some meaningless, some stupid ones -
unfortunately sepp holzer isnt into small experiments - he seems to
things and knows how to operate his bulldozer.
care for the people? sharing of the surplus? thumbs down. besides his
family, the only person he cares for seems to be his lawyer -
nearly everyone i have heard of who has had any closer dealings with
been sued or at least threatened with a suit (if he hears about my
about him i will certainly get sued). in wintertime he is said to
the old austrian farmers-tradition of going to court with his
have not heard so far of him ever moving an eyelash without asking
it. while i know of functioning pc systems that really give away
wheelbarrows of food for free (e.g. peter bird on W.A.), if sepp says
"people come to pick my cherries" you can be sure that they pay for
it - big
time. if permaculture is about subsistance life, and subsistance
local and regional cooperation, sepp holzer is as far from it as you
please note that this is my private opinion as an individual, and not
position of the austrian permaculture association.
--- In fukuoka_farming@y..., "Rex Teague" <DibbleGardens@b...> wrote:
> On 6 Sep 01, emily groff wrote:
> >Stephen Canner wrote:
> > >http://www.krameterhof.at/
> > yeah, but it's written all funny. cain't read a durned bit of it.
> http://babelfish.altavista.com produces a rough translation.
> > that story is too amazing for words. thanks for posting, rex!
> Another website has come up in the discussion elsewhere:
> Plus a spin by someone closer to the action... goto:
> and search on: vesovnik
> Cheers... Rex
> > -----
> > Emily Groff
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