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  • Karri Varpio
    I m not familiar with instinctive eating. If I don t live close to supermarket that has food from everywhere, but try to eat according to what is available in
    Message 1 of 56 , Mar 10, 2003
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      I'm not familiar with instinctive eating. If I don't live close to
      supermarket that has food from everywhere, but try to eat according to what
      is available in our local season, am I in conflict with my paleolithic
      (savanna-living?) instinct?
      Second, isn't our evolution actually kind of co-evolution, in the sense that
      our cultural skills (beginning from the use of fire) have influenced our
      physical evolution (and vice versa). Cooking made some nutritive substances
      more (some less) available to us, and so our metabolism had no need to
      evolutionally specialize to some foodstuff, like meat or tree leaves. (This
      is valid for pre-agricultural times. After that cultural change with new
      foodstuffs has been so fast that evolution hasn't been able to follow;
      allergic and digestive problems with grain proteins are likely to be much
      less after next ten thousand years.)
      Thus, raw food would be no more natural to us than cooked? And, like Fukuoka
      seems to be saying, we can't escape fully from our culture's burden?


      > Masanobu wrote:
      > < animals are born with an instinctive ability to distinguish
      > between what they can and cannot eat , and so are able to partake
      > fully of
      > nature's plentiful stores.
      > In man however ,the stage of infancy during wich he feeds
      > instinctivelly is
      > short.>
      > So he aknowlege the instinctive ability of animals to regulate their food
      > intake thru an innate wisdom and deny it to humans because they didn't
      > pursue on the experience of practicing it .
      > what is the fundamental difference with animals ? ( i will come
      > back to that
      > question in other posts )
      > for that inborn ability to be confirmed by experience babies need to be
      > breast fed on cue ( and most of us have not even that ) then introduce to
      > foods in their undenatured state and let to choose , from their own
      > genetically memorised wisdom, to respond to their present meatabolic
      > state .
      > Peoples who eat instinctivelly discover that taste and smell are an ever
      > changing experience .what is tasting very good can taste bland or even
      > distastfull from one day to another and even from one mouthfull
      > to the next
      > .
      > Those differents experiences with the same foods are dependant on the
      > metabolic state of the moment and so our nutrients specific needs of the
      > moment.
      > what is left for us to do without that practical experience of
      > reinforcement
      > of our instinctive drive .?
      > we are left in the situation where a tree have been pruned
      > The peoples who put themselves in the position of doing that
      > experience and
      > decide to trust fully "their instinct " without no more guidelines
      > discovered that it was in the long term leading to unbalanced
      > food intake .
      > the reason is that the context in which our instintive wisdom establish it
      > self is not natural anymore .( that is the aera that natural farming CAN
      > adress).
      > that context have many aspects :
      > 1- fruits especially have been bred over centuries to become "easy" to the
      > instinctive barrier ( loss of sharp change of taste when
      > metabolic needs are
      > fulfilled ) because they have been for the most part continued to be eaten
      > in their raw state .the consequence of that to modern instinctive
      > eater and
      > even more true with modernly bred varieties is overconsumption of fruits .
      > 2-the avalability of differents categories of foods ( fruits, seeds ,
      > leaves , flowers , animals flesh and bodies etc...) as our
      > hominids parents
      > experienced in their wild environment have been changed thru
      > domestication .
      > In the tropical forests that shelter our closer relatives fruits are
      > available to very agile climbers ,
      > In the savannha that nourished our hominids ancestors or even closer
      > hominids relatives ( now disapeared) fruits are rare , but
      > tubers and left
      > over of carnivorous animals are the nutrients dense foods
      > avalable to us in
      > quantities .
      > 3- the neolithic revolution have brought humanity to switch quite abruptly
      > ( in evolutionary terms ) from a high protein and fat diets ( bone marrow
      > and brain are very fatty foods ) to a high carbonhydrate with the
      > introduction of grains and pulses .
      > The metabolic disturbances that ensue are starting to be recognised by
      > modern science ( insuline resistance , cardiovascular health status ...)
      > this upset glycemic yoyo lead to addiction to sweets in an
      > endless viscious
      > cycle ( the same way than tilling bring the need for tilling , fertilisers
      > etc....)
      > Paleo ancestors and hunter gartherers who still live by the old paradigme
      > ( high meats and low carbohydrate intake ) have been and are
      > healthier than
      > the agriculturists .
      > More the food is available less the instintive drive toward it need to be
      > strong . strongly sweets foods are very attractive because they
      > are rare or
      > difficult to obtain in our natural environment ( honey and fruits
      > ) .so most
      > of the
      > regulation happens because of this rather that the taste and smell barrier
      > for meats who play a big role in regulating the intake .
      > so that is where your "fruit eating instinct" come from .
      > If you were to put aside evrything that you know about foods (
      > discriminating knowdledge ) and play the game of instinctive
      > choice of the
      > moment You will be very surprised of your choices .
      > Blinding the eyes is a good way to bypass a lot of the preconceived ideas
      > about foods and their taste.
      > you will not be necessarelly able to give a name to the foods you smell
      > that are very
      > "familiar" to you .
      > I did personally the experience of having smelled and tasted something
      > sweetly delicious and attractive that i discovered afterward was an onion
      > ( and not a walla walla type but a pungeant one) and having smelled a
      > grapefruit without being able to recognise it ( everybody "knows"
      > the smell
      > of a grapefruit ).
      > masanobu p 253 of natural way of farming ,classifie the 4 major types of
      > diets .
      > 1the indulgent diet
      > 2the nutritional diet ( based on science )
      > 3the diet of principal
      > 4the non discriminating diet
      > the instinctive eating framework is an open door to the last one
      > .( there is
      > no limitation of what can be food apart of being in its natural state )
      > preconceived ideas about foods need to be discarded.foods are
      > chosen in the
      > present moment .
      > The instinctive eating framework is also not a guaranteed opening
      > to stage 4
      > to the dismay of many of its followers.
      > jean-claude
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    • michael
      The tartare and carpaccio taste better already. On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 04:34 AM, Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry
      Message 56 of 56 , Mar 19, 2003
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        The tartare and carpaccio taste better already.

        On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 04:34 AM, Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry

        > Even if our digestive tract is the shortest of all primates (it's the
        > first time I read that, but you may be right), it is certainly far from
        > being as short as in carnivorous species, and also does not have the
        > mighty proteases, especially ureases, which carnivores do have !
        > .
        > yes because we are not designed to be carnivorous and eat freshlly
        > killed
        > meats but we are designed to eat ripen meats on left over of
        > carnivorous
        > kill . this is a process where the proteins are starting to break
        > down and
        > free amino acids released.we don't need the high acid digestion of
        > carnivorous animals .
        > the cooking of meats is mimiking this natural predigestion but at the
        > the
        > expense of creating new compounds that doesn't exist in the meat some
        > are
        > known to be highlly cancerigenous .
        > By experiences of many peoples who are used to eat raw meats , it is
        > the
        > easiest food to digest, way easier than raw vegetables or nuts and
        > seeds
        > .fruits pass quicklly from the stomach to intestine but trigger exces
        > insuline secretion and by reaction require eating more shortly after .
        > we evolved as scavengers and gatherers of plants .
        > jean-claude
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