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  • Steve Walpole
    food opens up a massive area of investigation as per most of the subjects that we strive for the truth. Although food like meditation, religion, spirituality
    Message 1 of 56 , Mar 4, 2003
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      food opens up a massive area of investigation as per most of the subjects
      that we strive for the truth.

      Although food like meditation, religion, spirituality etc has a very
      personal connection.

      I have found that the qualities of addressing Natural Farming are very
      similar to the methods of addressing ones food.

      My favourite comment to share on this subject is very similar to
      Permaculture in that it is all about design. One has to undertsand their
      ecosystem "their body" before rushing in and making changes.

      Observing as I type, Steve.


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Sergio Montinola" <sjmosprey2001@...>
      To: <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM
      Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] RE : RAW FOOD then WHICH AGRICULTURE...


      > DEAR TIM,
      >
      > YOU SEEM WELL INFORMED REGARDING RAW FOOD. A FRIEND OF
      > MINE ONLY YESTERDAY WAS TELLING ME ABOUT THE WEBSITE
      > ON RAW FOOD IN THE INTERNET.
      >
      > I WILL MAKE MORE RESEARCH IN THE INTERNET REGARDING
      > RAW FOOD. I FEEL IT SOUNDS LOGICAL. I AM CONFIDENT
      > THERE IS SOMETHING TO RAW FOOD THAT WILL IMPROVE
      > HEALTH AND LONGEVITY.
      >
      > THANKS,
      > SERGIO J. MONTINOLA
      >
      >
      > --- Tim Peters <psr@...> wrote:
      > > Sergio,
      > > I just got in on the conversation... What is of
      > > interest to me is the fact
      > > that eating things in as natural (uncooked,
      > > unrefined) a state as possible
      > > had a huge impact on my dental health, as well as my
      > > immune sytem ability to
      > > fight off things. I noticed that variety in the
      > > diet is important, and one
      > > can get to much protien, sugar, oil (fats), etc. on
      > > a "natural" diet as well
      > > as a refined food diet... meat is a concentrated
      > > substance... and has it's
      > > list of potential troubles
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: "Sergio Montinola" <sjmosprey2001@...>
      > > To: <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:39 AM
      > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] RE : RAW FOOD then
      > > WHICH AGRICULTURE...
      > >
      > >
      > > > DEAR CATHERING,
      > > >
      > > > ALL CANCER PATIENTS IN THE PHILIPPINES THAT I KNOW
      > > > HAVE DIED, ALL OF THEM ATE MEAT AND LOTS OF IT.
      > > >
      > > > REGARDS,
      > > > SERGE MONTINOLA
      > > >
      > > > --- Catherine Dionisi
      > > <catherine.dionisi@...>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > > Hi Jean Claude and Ingrid,
      > > > > I'll have to think over all this : I am
      > > convinced
      > > > > that cooked food is
      > > > > bad, but I haven't decided yet about meat, and
      > > > > especially about the
      > > > > optimal amount of it. Burger himself now
      > > recommends
      > > > > not to eat meat
      > > > > everyday, at least only once a day ; he changed
      > > his
      > > > > mind especially when
      > > > > his wife died of cancer
      > > > > Yes, I'd be interested by Ingrid's health
      > > problems
      > > > > related to her raw
      > > > > vegan past, and also by your chidren's problems
      > > > > related to a more fruit
      > > > > based diet.
      > > > > Amicalement,
      > > > > Catherine
      > > > >
      > > > > PS :By the way, I have written an article about
      > > raw
      > > > > food which is a
      > > > > summary of a study with my comments (it's in
      > > French
      > > > > and you might have
      > > > > already read about the study itself):
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Les chats de Pottenger
      > > > >
      > > > > Nous fîmes tout d'abord une première série
      > > > > d'expériences qui consista à
      > > > > comparer un groupe de chats recevant 2/3 de
      > > viande
      > > > > crue (et 1/3 de lait
      > > > > cru) avec un autre groupe de chats recevant
      > > cette
      > > > > fois-ci 2/3 de viande
      > > > > cuite (et 1/3 de lait cru). Alors que les chats
      > > > > nourris entièrement de
      > > > > cru jouissaient d'une excellente santé, les
      > > chats
      > > > > nourris de viande
      > > > > cuite souffraient de toutes sortes de troubles
      > > > > fonctionnels et/ou
      > > > > dégénératifs familiers en médecine humaine.
      > > Voici ce
      > > > > qui arriva aux
      > > > > pauvres matous ayant eu le malheur de recevoir
      > > de la
      > > > > viande cuite (et du
      > > > > lait cru) :
      > > > >
      > > > > - certaines chattes ne parvenaient plus à être
      > > > > portantes (les
      > > > > mâles utilisés pour la reproduction étaient
      > > normaux,
      > > > > nourris à la viande
      > > > > crue, et de fécondité éprouvée, éliminant ainsi
      > > > > toute possibilité de
      > > > > stérilité du mâle)
      > > > > - les femelles nourries de viande cuite
      > > présentaient
      > > > > souvent des
      > > > > atrophies ovariennes et des congestions
      > > utérines,
      > > > > tandis que les mâles
      > > > > montraient souvent une spermatogenèse déficiente
      > > > > - les avortements , rares chez les chattes
      > > nourries
      > > > > de cru,
      > > > > devinrent très communs, allant de 25% dans la
      > > > > première génération
      > > > > jusqu'à 70% dans la seconde génération
      > > > > - la mise-bas qui se déroulait sans douleur et
      > > sans
      > > > > difficulté
      > > > > chez les chattes au cru, devint difficile, de
      > > > > nombreuses chattes mourant
      > > > > en cours de travail
      > > > > - de nombreuses chattes présentèrent une
      > > lactation
      > > > > déficiente
      > > > > - les femelles n'arrivaient plus à s'occuper de
      > > > > leurs petits d'une
      > > > > manière normale
      > > > > - le taux de mortalité des petits s'éleva
      > > > > - l'intérêt sexuel devint faible ou bien
      > > perverti
      > > > > - les femelles devinrent dangereuses à manipuler
      > > et
      > > > > les mâles
      > > > > perdirent leur agressivité naturelle
      > > > > - ces chats devinrent irritables, alors que ceux
      > > > > nourris au cru
      > > > > possédaient un excellent équilibre et se
      > > > > comportaient de manière
      > > > > prévisible
      > > > >
      > > > > - la vermine et les parasites intestinaux,
      > > auxquels
      > > > > les chats
      > > > > nourris de cru résistaient bien, abondait
      > > > > - les lésions cutanées et les allergies,
      > > quasiment
      > > > > inexistantes
      > > > > chez les chats restés au cru, devinrent
      > > fréquentes,
      > > > > empirant
      > > > > progressivement d'une génération à l'autre
      > > > > - de nombreuses lésions dégénératives apparurent
      > > :
      > > > > arthrites,
      > > > > néphrites, orchites, ovarites, cystites,
      > > affections
      > > > > thyroïdiennes,
      > > > > paralysies etc.
      > > > > - des diarrhées, suivies de pneumonie,
      > > emportèrent
      > > > > un grand nombre
      > > > > de petits
      > > > > - les causes usuelles de mort chez les chats
      > > adultes
      > > > > devinrent les
      > > > > pneumonies, les pleurésies, l'ostéomyélite, les
      > > > > méningites, les
      > > > > hépatites etc., tandis que les chats bénéficiant
      > > > > d'une nourriture
      > > > > entièrement crue mouraient principalement de
      > > > > vieillesse et de blessures
      > > > > de combat
      > > > >
      > > > > - les os présentaient des anomalies de structure
      > > et
      > > > > une diminution
      > > > > du calcium évidents
      > > > > - dans la bouche, des symptômes maladifs
      > > apparurent
      > > > > dans les 3 à 6
      > > > > mois : gingivites, abcès, diminution du calcium,
      > > et
      > > > > finalement quelques
      > > > > pertes de dents, faits rares chez les chats
      > > nourris
      > > > > de cru
      > > > >
      > > > > Et voici maintenant ce qui arriva à la deuxième
      > > > > génération :
      > > > >
      > > > > - les petits montrèrent un développement
      > > irrégulier
      > > > > des os du
      > > > > crâne, une face plus longue et plus étroite avec
      > > un
      > > > > rétrécissement dans
      > > > > le tiers central, ainsi que des anomalies de
      > > > > configuration des
      > > > > maxillaires supérieur et inférieur
      > > (rétrécissements,
      > > > > maxillaire
      > > > > supérieur souvent proéminent ou rentrant.)
      > > > > - la sortie des dents était fréquemment suivie
      > > de
      > >
      > === message truncated ===
      >
      >
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    • michael
      The tartare and carpaccio taste better already. On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 04:34 AM, Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry
      Message 56 of 56 , Mar 19, 2003
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        The tartare and carpaccio taste better already.

        On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 04:34 AM, Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry
        wrote:

        >
        >
        > Even if our digestive tract is the shortest of all primates (it's the
        > first time I read that, but you may be right), it is certainly far from
        > being as short as in carnivorous species, and also does not have the
        > mighty proteases, especially ureases, which carnivores do have !
        > .
        >
        > yes because we are not designed to be carnivorous and eat freshlly
        > killed
        > meats but we are designed to eat ripen meats on left over of
        > carnivorous
        > kill . this is a process where the proteins are starting to break
        > down and
        > free amino acids released.we don't need the high acid digestion of
        > carnivorous animals .
        > the cooking of meats is mimiking this natural predigestion but at the
        > the
        > expense of creating new compounds that doesn't exist in the meat some
        > are
        > known to be highlly cancerigenous .
        > By experiences of many peoples who are used to eat raw meats , it is
        > the
        > easiest food to digest, way easier than raw vegetables or nuts and
        > seeds
        > .fruits pass quicklly from the stomach to intestine but trigger exces
        > insuline secretion and by reaction require eating more shortly after .
        > we evolved as scavengers and gatherers of plants .
        > jean-claude
        >
        >
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