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- Hello all,
> Is it possible to somehow download all information of the websitedirectly?
> In the way it is presented now it is very well accesible and browsableI'd very
> online, but slow and laborious to save it all and have a closer look
> offline. For this reason I still didn't read most of it, though
> much want to! Or is it just me, being too stupid with puters andinternet?
One way is when you are on a page that has something of interest
to you then just save it to your computer so that you can read it
later at your leisure. There is software that does this for an entire
website, but I don't remember the name off hand.
> I'm aware that many answers are alreadythe
> there, given a thousand times - in Fukuoka's books, Emilia's articles,
> website, the list archives, or other places, but the information is sothat you
> diffuse - I mean, you need to read through piles of texts, hoping
> find just that one part that is answering your actual questionor fitting
> your situation.all, and so
> Sure it is good to read all of Fukuoka's books, the website and
> I do, gradually... But where to start when I want to just go outon the
> field and startknow of?
> gardening, and preferably not make the same mistakes others already
There are at least two ways to approach this that I can think of,
The first is to just go do it, make the mistakes, redo it based on
observing the mistakes and successes, make more mistakes and successes,
then redo it again.... doesn't require any reading, though reading
Fukuoka's "how to" manual, 'The Natural Way of Farming' would probably
The second is to wade through all the literature you can, read critcally,
think about it, compare it to other writings, read some more tracking
down all the little bits and pieces one by one, experience by experience,
then synthesize a plan to apply all that you learned to your garden,
go do it, make mistakes, redo it... you get the idea?
I tried the first way without reading anything but 'One Straw Revolution'.
It didn't work. Now I'm in the midst of the second way but won't
know how it turns out until late this year.
> Do you think it is feasible to make some 'reference guide' for(beginning)
> Fukuokian gardeners?In theory at least 'The Natural Way of Farming' is exactly that as
far as Fukuoka is concerned. You could, at least in theory, read
just that, follow the directions as best you can, and see what happens.
If you want to grow rice/barley or start a natural three-dimensional
orchard there may be enough information there to get you started
well. If, on the other hand, you want to raise vegetables and herbs
you are probably going to be disappointed with what you find there.
That's where Emilia's writings would help. Either way you may have
to make adjustments for climate, perhaps limited to choice of plants,
but then maybe not.
The place where Fukuoka practiced farming is the Island of Shikoku.
About 32 deg. N latitude and definitely a maritime-influenced climate
(meaning no extremes in temperature, probably plenty of rainfall
much of the year). What worked for him might not work very well in
the climate of northern Canada, eastern Europe, or a lot of other
places. Certainly I doubt you could get orange trees to grow in Saskatchewan
using Fukuoka's method. And trying to grow rice in the desert might
be a bit of a problem also. On the other hand some things work in
all climates. Raised beds, for example, offer the same benefits near
the equator that they do near the Arctic circle, and have been used
for millenia in such diverse climates.
Personally, I have no problem answering the same question eight times
in a row since I often had to ask the same question several times
before the answers finally sunk in to my sometimes-slow brain. Some
of this stuff is really hard to comprehend at first reading or sight.
Or second reading, or third reading.... But it does get a bit frustrating
when it appears that the questioner doesn't make the effort to use
what resources are already available. Then it becomes a matter of
laziness rather than ignorance. Ignorance can be changed by information,
but laziness can make all the information in the world useless.
It's been said before, but I'll say it again. Just because Fukuoka's
method got labeled as a "do nothing" method does NOT mean that you
can do nothing and make it work. It takes time and effort to understand
and apply what he is saying in order to actually get a productive
farm or garden going.
Or, is there enough coherence to make up a FAQ list
> about gardening practices? regarded that every situation is unique andI don't think a FAQ would be adequate. FAQs are good for answering
> requires its own answers...
questions like "is Fukuoka still alive". I found Jamie's FAQ both
interesting and useful, but it still leaves so many questions unanswered.
That is the inevitable nature of a FAQ.
The website is an attempt to provide as much information as possible
on an always-available, completely free basis, and yes, it does take
time to read what is there because there is a LOT of stuff there.
But there are times when I think some of the people who ask the
questions or post comments on this list have never taken the time
to actually read what is available there. Is this ignorance or laziness?
And would a FAQ, even a really long and comprehensive FAQ, fare any
> This could also be in the form of a message board, where peoplecan put
> their questions and others add their answers, sharing their ownexperiences
> or give references to Fukuoka's Emilia's or others' writings.of us
> Or maybe this kind of communication doesn't work out, for all those
> with rural, rare and slow connections (including me)? E-mail, andespecially
> this list, are the main sources of information, while web resources,and
> message boards, are much harder to access.This list is supposed to do exactly what you proposed and to do it
via email, which is much easier/cheaper to access than a message
board on a website as you noted. Putting a message board on the website
is technically easy to do, but I have yet to see the interest or
point in doing so. It's hard to improve on this list as a mechanism
of information exchange for the kinds of questions you are talking
about. The website is more useful in storing/accessing larger chunks
of information rather than Q&A.
> Maybe we'd better sort out the relevant questions and answers fromthe list
> archive, and make it available in a downloadable form on the site?(and keep
> on updating it... I realise that I'm proposing a lot of work here...)Care to volunteer to do this? It would be most welcome and give you
someting very interesting to compile and make.
Your list of questions were interesting. Many of them do have answers
in various documents on the website. Some do not. Some have kinda/sorta
answers buried in the email archives, which I'm still working on
to bring to the light of day via a keyword search function. But as
I noted above, I don't think a FAQ would do it. A book is a more
likely format, but if anyone does compile all the info in a book
it is unlikely that it will be free. There is simply too much time
and effort tied up in writing a worthwhile book. Someone once said
they wanted such a source, and out of curiosity I asked how much
they would pay to get it. Never got an answer. Not one. So where
is the motivation to invest the time, energy, and expense in creating
such a book if no one is willing to pay for it. The website does
have a lot of the information, though not in the format of a book,
but it is free and still it appears that a lot of people don't take
advantage of it. Go figure.
> Is it worth figuring all this out from the e-mail-archives and make anstructure,
> online message board? Or is the website as it is providing enough
> answers and resources?I don't know. You tell me. There is always room for more information
to be posted, and I will gladly do so when and as it comes in. The
question is who is going to take the time to compile and write about
it. Excluding mentioning links and the much appreciated translation
efforts of several people, I can count the number of original content
contributors to the website and still have more than enough fingers
left over to hold my cup of coffee. That is not a complaint, just
an observation. Any and all efforts to improve this situation are
always more than welcome.