Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

Permaculture Drylands Journal

Expand Messages
  • Mark Thomas Nickum
    I have a couple copies of the Permaculture Drylands Journal. Interesting strategies for irrigation and dryland farming. The only website I found on them
    Message 1 of 3 , Jan 2, 2003
    • 0 Attachment
      I have a couple copies of the Permaculture Drylands Journal. Interesting
      strategies for irrigation and dryland farming. The only website I found
      on them isn't very informative, mostly a contact site for ordering the
      journal or back issues. Worth looking into if you are interested.

      http://www.permaculture.net/PDI%20Web/pubjournal.html

      -Mark Nickum

      On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Robert Monie wrote:

      > Hi Jamie and All,
      >
      > Happy New Year! Thanks for the tip on the Cornell
      > discussion.  Their M.O.I.S.T. group grew directly out
      > of their MULCH group.
      >
      > Maybe it isn't so strange that Roland Bunch says he
      > isn't an organic farmer.  We often make the same
      > statement about ourselves.  Don't we go to great pains
      > to say that we (Fukuoka style agriculturalists) do not
      > double dig or make compost in some bin away from the
      > plants and then haul the compost back to the plants
      > and dig it under the top soil? We are no-till farmers,
      > not traditional organic growers.  We don't use the
      > bone meal, blood, bat guano fertlizer or foliar sprays
      > to the extent that they do in a regular, seasonal
      > repetitive pattern to keep up the soil's fertility. We
      > try to increase the mulch layer's fertility by
      > returning plant matter to it. Ours (and maybe Bunch's)
      > really is a distinctly different approach, though both
      > are "organic" in the generic sense.
      >
      > Bunch may also be referring to the mountains of
      > paper work that seem now necessary for farmers in some
      > countries to be officially certified "organic." He may
      > want to avoid the hassle by not calling himself
      > organic.  Here in Louisiana (and the nearby state
      > of Mississippi) there are some fine, productive
      > independent farmers who grow organically (no
      > pesticides, no artificial fertlizer) but just will not
      > fill out all the forms that the official agencies want
      > to qualify as "organic."
      >
      > Leland brought up a good point when he said
      > that MOIST, ECHO and other mulch/green
      > manure researchers have not been working in the Middle
      > East.  A large part of the Middle East is dry, rocky,
      > or outright desert--a long way from the tropics. Other
      > organizations such as NATIVE SEARCH (concerned mainly
      > with native American seeds) would probably be better
      > sources for dryland farming.  In the popular mind,
      > "desert" is synonomous with "nothing growing," and
      > "tropic" is synonymous with "too much stuff growing;
      > let's pull out the machete and cut it down." I wonder
      > if some of these biased characterizations carry over
      > into organizations that fund research.
      >
      > A corrective view of what deserts actually support in
      > their often varied ecospheres is Ben Kotzen's ongoing
      > study of the Negev Desert. On google.com search
      > engine,
      > see "Negev Desert Botanical Garden" for a detailed
      > presentation of Kotzen's work.
      > Some other good infromation sources for arid
      > farming specialists include the following:
      >
      > International Crops Research Institute for the
      > Semi-Arid Tropics
      > Patancheru P.O.
      > Andhra Pradesh 502 324
      > India
      > telex: 0152-203 or 0155-6366
      > <P>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      > ICARDA (The International Center for Agricultural
      > Research in the Dry Areas)
      > <P>A.B. Damania
      > <P>P.O. Box 5466
      > <P>Aleppo, Syria
      > <P>They work in "North Africa and West Asia with
      > wheat, barley, chickpeas, lentils, pasture legumes,"
      > and have a large gene bank of dry area crops.
      > <P>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      > The Henry Doubleday Research "Drought Defeaters"
      > Project
      > Dr. Phil Harris
      > Hdra, Ryton-On-Dunsmore
      > <P>Coventry CV8 31G
      > UK
      > <P>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      > The Jacob Blaustein Institute for Desert Research
      > Ben-Gurion University of the Negev
      > P.O. Box 1025
      > Beer-Sheva 84110
      > Israel
      >
      > The Blaustein Institute studies "desert ecology;
      > ...the application of ancient agricultural methods
      > developed for desert farming;...sociology in desert
      > communities; nomad settlement; and desert
      > architecture."
      > <P>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      > ENTRE NOUS
      > The Newletter (in French) of the West Afican regional
      > center of the International Exchange Network of Rodale
      > Institute.
      > The purpose of this French language newsletter is to
      > share discoveries made ...in dry lands agriculture
      > with other groups in semi arid areas."
      > VorZSek
      > Entre Nous
      > B.P. A237
      > ThiZs, Senegal
      > <P>---------------------------------------------------
      >
      > Bob Monie, in non-arid South Louisiana. Water, water
      > everywhere, and plenty to drink too. Happy New Year!
      >
      >
      >
      > <P>
      > <P>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      > <P> <B><I>jamie <jamie@...></I></B> wrote:
      > <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:
      > 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><TT>Hello
      > Everyone, here's a link to a discussion that couldn't
      > be more<BR>appropriate to this list entitled
      > 'Discussions about the possibility of<BR>building soil
      > fertility without chemical fertililizers (inorganic
      > NPK)'.<BR>It's from the Mulch-L list at Cornell
      > Uni<BR>(<A
      > href="http://mulch.mannlib.cornell.edu/ml/npkorganic.html)">http://mulch.mannlib.cornell.edu/ml/npkorganic.html)</A><BR><BR>I've
      > subscribed to the discussion and will post anything of
      > interest to the<BR>group that may come up in the
      > future, or, if you prefer, you can
      > subscribe<BR>yourselves at <A
      > href="http://mulch.mannlib.cornell.edu/cclists.html">http://mulch.mannlib.cornell.edu/cclists.html</A><BR><BR>The
      > discussion is kicked off by the common 'I have found
      > several experts who<BR>tell me that there is NO WAY to
      > build soil fertility without a sack of NPK'<BR>and
      > then goes through several who disagree and several who
      > agree (including<BR>institutional Phd's). However, it
      > is at the end that it gets interesting,<BR>especially
      > after recent discussion on this list of Roland Bunch
      > as his is<BR>the last posting on the page. After
      > strongly backing the claim for organic<BR>techniques
      > to build fertility he makes this strange claim "... I
      > am NOT an<BR>organic farming advocate..." However,
      > whatever he likes to call himself he<BR>makes some
      > telling points drawn from his long
      > experience.<BR><BR>But don't forget to check out the
      > penultimate post for some very interesting<BR>and
      > revealing conjectures as to mechanisms of soil self
      > fertility!<BR><BR>Just to wish everyone a happy new
      > year and to express my hope that this
      > list<BR>continues to go from strength to strength and
      > would just wish to personally<BR>thank Larry for his
      > tremendous work in establishing the Fukuoka website
      > and<BR>Emilia for sharing her considerable knowledge
      > built up over almost
      > forty<BR>years.<BR><BR><BR>Jamie<BR>Souscayrous<BR><BR><BR></TT><BR><!--
      > |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
      > <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0>
      > <TBODY>
      > <TR bgColor=#ffffcc>
      > <TD align=middle><FONT color=#003399 size=-1><B>Yahoo!
      > Groups Sponsor</B></FONT></TD></TR>
      > <TR bgColor=#ffffff>
      > <TD align=middle width=470>
      > <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0>
      > <TBODY>
      > <TR>
      > <TD align=middle><FONT face=arial
      > size=-2>ADVERTISEMENT</FONT><BR><A
      > href="http://rd.yahoo.com/M=234081.2814790.4175286.1925585/D=egroupweb/S=1705041947:HM/A=1327985/R=0/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;4870024;7586687;x?http://www.ameriquestmortgage.com/welcome.html?ad=Yahoo01"><IMG
      > height=250 alt=""
      > src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/am/ameriquest/yahoo_300x250_clock.gif"
      > width=300
      > border=0></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR>
      > <TR>
      > <TD><IMG height=1 alt=""
      > src="http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=234081.2814790.4175286.1925585/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1327985/rand=965485138"
      > width=1></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- |**|end egp
      > html banner|**| --><BR><TT>To unsubscribe from this
      > group, send an email
      > to:<BR>fukuoka_farming-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<BR><BR></TT><BR><BR><TT>Your
      > use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the <A
      > href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/">Yahoo! Terms
      > of Service</A>.</TT> </BLOCKQUOTE>
      >
      >
      >
      > __________________________________________________
      > Do you Yahoo!?
      > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
      > http://mailplus.yahoo.com
      >
      > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
      > fukuoka_farming-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
      >
      >
      >
      > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      >
      >
      >
    Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.