slopes and books
- I'm re-reading my permaculture manual, and it, along with several
other books, mention planting on north slopes in the northern
hemisphere as they are warmer than the south slopes. I do not find
this is true, and we noted that anything that slopes north is a
frost pocket and tends to get frosts when the rest of the yard is
frost free. Anybody else notice this? Why would they say the
northern hemisphere the north slopes are warmer? Our sun does not
move across the sky more to the north.
Are Bill Mollison's permaculture 1 and 2 good additions to
his "permaculture : a designer's manual", or does his designer's
manual cover everything that are in 1 and 2?
Also, does anybody have web sites with information on Marc Bonfils
or articles on his teachings? Emilia mentioned his name when she was
giving me advice on hay production, and I'm not finding much on-
Emilia, I'm trying to do more research on your hay recommendations
which I plan on following, just so I can understand more. I know you
said you learned mainly from Marc Bonfils and Andre Voisin, but I
can't find much on Marc Bonfils, and don't recall Andre Voisin
recommending to cut hay before it heads out. Do any books address
why it is more beneficial to the soil etc. to cut the hay before it
starts heading out? Does it cause more stress to the plant to put
more into heading and then cut it or something like that? How does
cutting it after bloom affect the microclimate, total environment
etc? I'm trying to share some of the stuff with interested friends,
but don't really understand the method myself, so it is a case of
the blind leading the blind :<).
- I for one will not BUY hay that has headed out. The protein content drops
from 12-14% in grass hay that has not headed to a mere eight per cent TOPS
for hay that has BEGUN to bloom. Once grass has bloomed it is STRAW. THAT IS
THE DEFINITION OF STRAW my dear. The heads shatter, the seeds scatter. Not
only is the protein content of the "hay" lost but most of the grain involved
is also lost in the cutting and curing of said "hay."
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- Just a confusion in definition of terms. I live in a prairie
province where everybody grows grain and hay, and this is how they
refer to their crops.
Around here (the grain province of Canada), nothing is straw until
the seeds have fallen off. When grain plants "head out", they are
FORMING heads, not shattering seeds. If they were to cut all the
straw here when it was "heading out", they would lose all their
grain crops because the grain hasn't properly matured when it is
heading out. IF they cut it when it is heading out, it is called
green feed, because the heads are still in the dough/soft stage, and
stay on the stalks. When the heads are "ripe" they are ready to be
combined for grain.
Once grass has "headed out", it does not shatter. Nobody cuts their
grass for seed after it has headed out, or they will get no seeds.
It is not considered straw unless the heads mature, then bloom and
pollinate, then go to seed, and THEN shatter (which from heading to
shattering can be a period of 2-4 weeks around here). Here, they
usually cut timothy just as it is heading (or just as the heads are
forming), but before blooming. If they cut alfalfa "before it
heads", they means they have cut it before any heads ie. before it
has heads to bloom.
You obviously mean something different than I meant. Around
here "heading out" and "has bloomed" do not mean the same thing.
IT doesn't mean the farmers here are cutting hay at the correct
time, as they are cutting for maximum yields, not health of the
field or top protien content.
Emilia said to cut it before the heads even formed, not before
blooming, which is after heads have formed and are now opening. If
the alfalfa headed out here, you would have a 2-4 week period before
it bloomed and then went to seed ie. became straw.
--- In email@example.com, Wldwstent@a... wrote:
> I for one will not BUY hay that has headed out. The protein
> from 12-14% in grass hay that has not headed to a mere eight per
> for hay that has BEGUN to bloom. Once grass has bloomed it is
STRAW. THAT IS
> THE DEFINITION OF STRAW my dear. The heads shatter, the seeds
> only is the protein content of the "hay" lost but most of the
> is also lost in the cutting and curing of said "hay."
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]