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  • Alan Sloan
    Im not a specialist lawyer or trader, and the following may be incorrect, but my current understanding is that: Technically, or theoretically, if Natural
    Message 1 of 9 , May 17, 2013
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      Im not a specialist lawyer or trader, and the following may be incorrect, but my current understanding is that:

      Technically, or theoretically, if Natural Farmers were able (individually or collectively) to convert large enough areas from tillage to non/tillage, Carbon would be sequestered.

      If that Carbon saving is certified by a recognised body, it is my understanding that trade able credits could be created.

      Unless a large area is involved it is unlikely that any revenue created would exceed the cost of certification. If I am correct (and I'm not at all sure I am) it may be possible to establish a register of established NF systems on a cooperative basis to generate revenue. I am not even sure that it would be possible to calculate the carbon savings on a large number if different plots.

      Alan

      On 17 May 2013, at 07:35, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...> wrote:

      > Greetings,
      > I don't think your concerns are those of natural farming, even if we do try
      > not to suffer losses.
      > Good luck to you.
      > RUTHIE
      >
      >
      > 2013/5/17 Santos Santos <santos_santos1978@...>
      >
      >> **
      >>
      >>
      >> Regards,
      >>
      >> Land management
      >> in the form of farming provides much risk of loss. Forms such losses
      >> primarily
      >> due to face the ups and downs of commodity prices. It is important for
      >> agriculture and forestry watchdog discuss a real concept in addressing this
      >> problem. As a result of these price fluctuations forming the fears of
      >> farmers
      >> and investors doing business in agriculture, fisheries, farming, and
      >> forestry.
      >> I want to show you a concept, method, and the real application to be
      >> discussed
      >> by the members of this group, namely: a strategy to cope with fluctuations
      >> in
      >> commodity prices in order to gain huge profits through regulation of
      >> production
      >> and composition of plants on farms in agriculture, fisheries, plantation,
      >> and
      >> forestry.
      >>
      >> Link:http://staff.unila.ac.id/rudihilmanto/
      >>
      >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------
      >
      > Yahoo! Groups Links
      >
      >
      >
    • Jean Justimbaste
      Thank you so much Allan Sloan for expressing the carbon sequestration aspect of Natural Farming. I have read somewhere that scientists can actually do the
      Message 2 of 9 , May 17, 2013
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        Thank you so much Allan Sloan for expressing the carbon sequestration aspect of Natural Farming.

        I have read somewhere that scientists can actually do the computation.  This link shows a research on the matter:

        http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016788090100233X

         
        jean
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      • Ruthie Aquino
        Hi Alan, You re right, how can carbon savings be calculated? I have stopped calculating because it is like imposing quotas or limits or deadlines. For example
        Message 3 of 9 , May 17, 2013
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          Hi Alan,

          You're right, how can carbon savings be calculated?
          I have stopped calculating because it is like imposing quotas or limits or
          deadlines. For example I consider it a lack of humility to plant seeds and
          then expect immediate returns from weakened crops trying to survive in the
          unnatural surroundings we put them in. NF requires abandoning conventional
          goals such as having a bumper crop in the first year or making a profit.


          I was having this conversation with loved ones around me who said that my
          natural farming can never feed the world because not everybody has land to
          plant to a few crops, and besides revenue from my cultivation could never
          buy me an internet subscription, etc.. There I was listening to them and
          thinking that the hardest thing to change is a mindset.

          Many times I think of hunter-gatherer tribes that still exist in the world
          today and how they do not have the hoarding habit we have. They take from
          nature what they can eat and eat what they can take. They have no fears of
          Nature ever failing to feed them. Sometimes I wonder why people like us who
          can send men into space cannot feed all the world's inhabitants.

          Have a nice day.
          RUTHIE





          2013/5/17 Alan Sloan <alan851603@...>

          > **
          >
          >
          > Im not a specialist lawyer or trader, and the following may be incorrect,
          > but my current understanding is that:
          >
          > Technically, or theoretically, if Natural Farmers were able (individually
          > or collectively) to convert large enough areas from tillage to non/tillage,
          > Carbon would be sequestered.
          >
          > If that Carbon saving is certified by a recognised body, it is my
          > understanding that trade able credits could be created.
          >
          > Unless a large area is involved it is unlikely that any revenue created
          > would exceed the cost of certification. If I am correct (and I'm not at all
          > sure I am) it may be possible to establish a register of established NF
          > systems on a cooperative basis to generate revenue. I am not even sure that
          > it would be possible to calculate the carbon savings on a large number if
          > different plots.
          >
          > Alan
          >
          >
          > On 17 May 2013, at 07:35, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...> wrote:
          >
          > > Greetings,
          > > I don't think your concerns are those of natural farming, even if we do
          > try
          > > not to suffer losses.
          > > Good luck to you.
          > > RUTHIE
          > >
          > >
          > > 2013/5/17 Santos Santos <santos_santos1978@...>
          > >
          > >> **
          >
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> Regards,
          > >>
          > >> Land management
          > >> in the form of farming provides much risk of loss. Forms such losses
          > >> primarily
          > >> due to face the ups and downs of commodity prices. It is important for
          > >> agriculture and forestry watchdog discuss a real concept in addressing
          > this
          > >> problem. As a result of these price fluctuations forming the fears of
          > >> farmers
          > >> and investors doing business in agriculture, fisheries, farming, and
          > >> forestry.
          > >> I want to show you a concept, method, and the real application to be
          > >> discussed
          > >> by the members of this group, namely: a strategy to cope with
          > fluctuations
          > >> in
          > >> commodity prices in order to gain huge profits through regulation of
          > >> production
          > >> and composition of plants on farms in agriculture, fisheries,
          > plantation,
          > >> and
          > >> forestry.
          > >>
          > >> Link:http://staff.unila.ac.id/rudihilmanto/
          > >>
          > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          > >
          > >
          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ------------------------------------
          > >
          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          >
          >


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        • Santos Santos
          I agree Jean ________________________________ From: Jean Justimbaste To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
          Message 4 of 9 , May 18, 2013
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            I agree Jean


            ________________________________
            From: Jean Justimbaste <dayjean455@...>
            To: "fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com" <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:06 PM
            Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] "STRATEGY TO COPE WITH FLUCTUATIONS IN COMMODITY PRICES IN ORDER TO GAIN HUGE PROFITS"



             
            Thank you so much Allan Sloan for expressing the carbon sequestration aspect of Natural Farming.

            I have read somewhere that scientists can actually do the computation.  This link shows a research on the matter:

            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016788090100233X

             
            jean
            http://www.ammado.com/nonprofit/46130
            http://ormocwomen.blogspot.com/
            http://evyouth.blogspot.com/
            http://www.tcformoc.com/
            http://pagtinabangayfoundation.blogspot.com/

            visit my blogs and leave your comments. 

            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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          • Santos Santos
            Regards, Thank you for the positive response according to my idea of carbon trading such as trading commodities trading by calculating the amount of carbon
            Message 5 of 9 , May 18, 2013
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              Regards,

              Thank you for the positive response according to my idea of carbon trading such as trading commodities trading by calculating the amount of carbon that is dilahan including the exit or harvested by farmers. Trading system is done is through the scheme "warehouse receipt" so that supply and demand through securities and may be traded on a "futures market". But the more details you read the first book Rudi Hilmanto or contacting him directly

              This might be a little explanation thank my opinion

              santos


              ________________________________
              From: Alan Sloan <alan851603@...>
              To: "fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com" <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
              Cc: fukuoka farming <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 2:00 PM
              Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] "STRATEGY TO COPE WITH FLUCTUATIONS IN COMMODITY PRICES IN ORDER TO GAIN HUGE PROFITS"



               
              Im not a specialist lawyer or trader, and the following may be incorrect, but my current understanding is that:

              Technically, or theoretically, if Natural Farmers were able (individually or collectively) to convert large enough areas from tillage to non/tillage, Carbon would be sequestered.

              If that Carbon saving is certified by a recognised body, it is my understanding that trade able credits could be created.

              Unless a large area is involved it is unlikely that any revenue created would exceed the cost of certification. If I am correct (and I'm not at all sure I am) it may be possible to establish a register of established NF systems on a cooperative basis to generate revenue. I am not even sure that it would be possible to calculate the carbon savings on a large number if different plots.

              Alan

              On 17 May 2013, at 07:35, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...> wrote:

              > Greetings,
              > I don't think your concerns are those of natural farming, even if we do try
              > not to suffer losses.
              > Good luck to you.
              > RUTHIE
              >
              >
              > 2013/5/17 Santos Santos <santos_santos1978@...>
              >
              >> **
              >>
              >>
              >> Regards,
              >>
              >> Land management
              >> in the form of farming provides much risk of loss. Forms such losses
              >> primarily
              >> due to face the ups and downs of commodity prices. It is important for
              >> agriculture and forestry watchdog discuss a real concept in addressing this
              >> problem. As a result of these price fluctuations forming the fears of
              >> farmers
              >> and investors doing business in agriculture, fisheries, farming, and
              >> forestry.
              >> I want to show you a concept, method, and the real application to be
              >> discussed
              >> by the members of this group, namely: a strategy to cope with fluctuations
              >> in
              >> commodity prices in order to gain huge profits through regulation of
              >> production
              >> and composition of plants on farms in agriculture, fisheries, plantation,
              >> and
              >> forestry.
              >>
              >> Link:http://staff.unila.ac.id/rudihilmanto/
              >>
              >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------
              >
              > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >



              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            • santos_santos1978
              Regards, Thank you for the positive response according to my idea of carbon trading such as trading commodities trading by calculating the amount of carbon
              Message 6 of 9 , May 18, 2013
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                Regards,

                Thank you for the positive response according to my idea of carbon trading such as trading commodities trading by calculating the amount of carbon that is dilahan including the exit or harvested by farmers. Trading system is done is through the scheme "warehouse receipt" so that supply and demand through securities and may be traded on a "futures market". But the more details you read the first book Rudi Hilmanto or contacting him directly

                This might be a little explanation thank my opinion

                santos


                --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi Alan,
                >
                > You're right, how can carbon savings be calculated?
                > I have stopped calculating because it is like imposing quotas or limits or
                > deadlines. For example I consider it a lack of humility to plant seeds and
                > then expect immediate returns from weakened crops trying to survive in the
                > unnatural surroundings we put them in. NF requires abandoning conventional
                > goals such as having a bumper crop in the first year or making a profit.
                >
                >
                > I was having this conversation with loved ones around me who said that my
                > natural farming can never feed the world because not everybody has land to
                > plant to a few crops, and besides revenue from my cultivation could never
                > buy me an internet subscription, etc.. There I was listening to them and
                > thinking that the hardest thing to change is a mindset.
                >
                > Many times I think of hunter-gatherer tribes that still exist in the world
                > today and how they do not have the hoarding habit we have. They take from
                > nature what they can eat and eat what they can take. They have no fears of
                > Nature ever failing to feed them. Sometimes I wonder why people like us who
                > can send men into space cannot feed all the world's inhabitants.
                >
                > Have a nice day.
                > RUTHIE
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > 2013/5/17 Alan Sloan <alan851603@...>
                >
                > > **
                > >
                > >
                > > Im not a specialist lawyer or trader, and the following may be incorrect,
                > > but my current understanding is that:
                > >
                > > Technically, or theoretically, if Natural Farmers were able (individually
                > > or collectively) to convert large enough areas from tillage to non/tillage,
                > > Carbon would be sequestered.
                > >
                > > If that Carbon saving is certified by a recognised body, it is my
                > > understanding that trade able credits could be created.
                > >
                > > Unless a large area is involved it is unlikely that any revenue created
                > > would exceed the cost of certification. If I am correct (and I'm not at all
                > > sure I am) it may be possible to establish a register of established NF
                > > systems on a cooperative basis to generate revenue. I am not even sure that
                > > it would be possible to calculate the carbon savings on a large number if
                > > different plots.
                > >
                > > Alan
                > >
                > >
                > > On 17 May 2013, at 07:35, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...> wrote:
                > >
                > > > Greetings,
                > > > I don't think your concerns are those of natural farming, even if we do
                > > try
                > > > not to suffer losses.
                > > > Good luck to you.
                > > > RUTHIE
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > 2013/5/17 Santos Santos <santos_santos1978@...>
                > > >
                > > >> **
                > >
                > > >>
                > > >>
                > > >> Regards,
                > > >>
                > > >> Land management
                > > >> in the form of farming provides much risk of loss. Forms such losses
                > > >> primarily
                > > >> due to face the ups and downs of commodity prices. It is important for
                > > >> agriculture and forestry watchdog discuss a real concept in addressing
                > > this
                > > >> problem. As a result of these price fluctuations forming the fears of
                > > >> farmers
                > > >> and investors doing business in agriculture, fisheries, farming, and
                > > >> forestry.
                > > >> I want to show you a concept, method, and the real application to be
                > > >> discussed
                > > >> by the members of this group, namely: a strategy to cope with
                > > fluctuations
                > > >> in
                > > >> commodity prices in order to gain huge profits through regulation of
                > > >> production
                > > >> and composition of plants on farms in agriculture, fisheries,
                > > plantation,
                > > >> and
                > > >> forestry.
                > > >>
                > > >> Link:http://staff.unila.ac.id/rudihilmanto/
                > > >>
                > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ------------------------------------
                > > >
                > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
              • santos_santos1978
                Regards, Thank you for the positive response according to my idea of carbon trading such as trading commodities trading by calculating the amount of carbon
                Message 7 of 9 , May 18, 2013
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                  Regards,

                  Thank you for the positive response according to my idea of carbon trading such as trading commodities trading by calculating the amount of carbon that is dilahan including the exit or harvested by farmers. Trading system is done is through the scheme "warehouse receipt" so that supply and demand through securities and may be traded on a "futures market". But the more details you read the first book Rudi Hilmanto or contacting him directly

                  This might be a little explanation thank my opinion

                  santos


                  --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Jean Justimbaste <dayjean455@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Thank you so much Allan Sloan for expressing the carbon sequestration aspect of Natural Farming.
                  >
                  > I have read somewhere that scientists can actually do the computation.  This link shows a research on the matter:
                  >
                  > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016788090100233X
                  >
                  >  
                  > jean
                  > http://www.ammado.com/nonprofit/46130
                  > http://ormocwomen.blogspot.com/
                  > http://evyouth.blogspot.com/
                  > http://www.tcformoc.com/
                  > http://pagtinabangayfoundation.blogspot.com/
                  >
                  > visit my blogs and leave your comments. 
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >
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