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Re: [fukuoka_farming] The Call of Life -Re: The Greatest Challenge of Our Species. Thomas Lovejoy Re: [The] rights of Mother Earth --Vandana Shiva's writing of great, helpful, appropriate words.

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  • Brian Kennedy
    Interestingly, I seem to recall reading somewhere in Masanobu Fukuoka s works that he believed Earth could carry 60 times more people! If true, that is an
    Message 1 of 147 , Sep 7, 2012
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      Interestingly, I seem to recall reading somewhere in Masanobu Fukuoka's works that he believed Earth could carry 60 times more people! If true, that is an interesting consideration. That would be a lot of 1/4-acre farmers.
      On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:09 AM, Sumant Joshi wrote:

      > I agree, nature can feed humans but how many? and what happens to the rest of the animals? or don't they have any rights? Humans also like to drive cars and build houses and roads and dams and luxuriate.
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      > Warm regards,
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      > Sumant Joshi
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      > > From: "iyo.farm@..." <iyo.farm@...>
      > >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
      > >Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 6:23 AM
      > >Subject: [fukuoka_farming] The Call of Life -Re: The Greatest Challenge of Our Species. Thomas Lovejoy Re: [The] rights of Mother Earth --Vandana Shiva's writing of great, helpful, appropriate words.
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      > >--- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...> wrote:
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      > >> As far as I can remember I am the only one who challenged you on population
      > >> reduction using artificial methods or anti-human ones like the killing of
      > >> babies in the womb or after they are born.
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      > >> As a natural farmer I don't see why we preach leaving nature alone and then
      > >> when it comes to human beings we talk of artificail population control.
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      > >> Fukuoka says that nature can feed man. I believe in that.
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      > >Personally, I'd rather write "nature can feed humanity" ... but I cannot remember Fukuoka's original quote to that effect nor the time and context within he said it. I am quite sure he was not suggesting that human population can keep expanding unlimited fashion. The problem of human population are not just the numbers but also the distribution, and to think we can just allow humanity to expand without limitation is foolishness.
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      > >What happens to all the male chicks in a poultry farm ... perhaps that is the way forward?
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      > >Nature is bound by natural selection and farming, even natural farming, an exaggeration of that. We encourage the strong genes, weed out the weak and eradicate pests; the latter going to feed the former. It's more akin to eugenics.
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      > >As to China, the best advice I was even given on that subject was, "you feed one billion people and then tell them what to do". Can you imagine what would happen if every Chinese family was allowed to have as many children as they wanted? Even infanticide is "natural" ... although I am recommending it. Not so long ago in Japan, it was part of life due to the fine balance of population against available food, especially during times of crop failure.
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      > >On early term abortion, you should really be careful not to use such emotionally charge words as "babies" or "killing". It really is not so. What is discharged is only tissue, not a living human being. It may be unfortunate and cause adverse effects in some case but we should be grateful for having such a method when it is needed. In nature, many species have the ability to miscarry or re-aborb foetus tissue - your cat still can and does.
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      > >One has to wonder if in an entirely natural situation human beings with be more in tune with nature and not overpopulate? The problem is humanity is so far out of balance with reality ... as you know, we currently consume more resources than this planet produces.
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      > >In Japan we have a different problem of over-population rebalancing itself. At present there are far too many people, Japan is one of the least food secure nations, but strangely the population seems to be responding by not having children. The birth rate is one of the lowest ... a shame because they have many good genes and a fine culture. I believe this is some kind of unconscious natural re-balancing taking place but it is causing big problems in the countryside.
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      > >Japan���s agriculture is supported by farmers of 60 years old or above. The percentage of elderly farmers nationwide is 69.8%. In Shikoku, where Fukuoka was born and lived, it is even higher, at 72.4% and the proportion of household members aged 70 years old or above engaged mainly in self-employed agriculture for market production surpasses 40%.
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      > >Can you imagine? In 10 to 15 years time food production will drop 70% as the farmers die off and, in an entirely natural system, society would be forcible re-ordered and the population starve.
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      > >How to apply natural farming methods to population control, now there is an interesting question. In an entirely natural situation, the strong crop would invade and take over land occupied by weaker crops ... and look where that got us last time!
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    • Jason Stewart
      There s never been any introduction ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      Message 147 of 147 , Oct 14, 2012
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        There's never been any "introduction"

        On 10/09/2012, at 5:02 PM, Iyo Farm wrote:

        > Neither were the best of introductions.



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