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  • Jason Wicker
    Jason from Down under, In my opinion your long rants confuse knowledge with wisdom. Please read some quotes from Master Fukuoka and apply them towards your
    Message 1 of 6 , May 4 8:59 AM
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      Jason from Down under,
      In my opinion your long rants confuse knowledge with wisdom.
      Please read some quotes from Master Fukuoka and apply them towards your
      misguided anger.
      Perhaps out of this adversity we both can learn something?
      Jason from NJ

      Revolutionary Verses ~
      by Fukuoka Masanobu
      ...
      First of all, throw it all away,
      the handcuffs of time and the shackles of money.

      The essence of natural farming is not the specific technique, but our
      ability to fit in with nature as a rightful partner, not as a conquerer.

      ...
      Too much wasted time,
      too many useless things.

      Knowledge is not wisdom,
      collecting knowledge, we destroy wisdom.
      ...
      The fruit from the tree of wisdom is the wisdom of the snake,
      idly we are led astray.
      ...
      Pointless reasons and arguments, like the straw shoes of a horse,
      changed daily, they are discarded after use.

      The cherry flowers blossom, still too early to scatter,
      only humans regret the futility of flowers.
      ...
      No ears to listen and no speech, mountains, rivers, grasses and trees,
      the hidden language knows the heavens, knows Earth.
      ...
      Coming and going, the passing birds don�t stay in one place,
      freely, only living.
      ...
      Don�t look around with two eyes,
      the one eye of the mind is enough.
      ...
      The desire to see, listen and know will be your ruin,
      an ocean of wisdom that gets weak and dies.

      We only live once,
      with a one-way ticket, whither do you go? whither do you return?

      Don�t hurry, don�t get excited,
      leave it to nature, leave behind human knowledge and human action.
      ...
      After much fussing I finally passed my 90th year,
      after that there is only letting go, and be the Buddha.
      ...
      I have lived my destiny, the life and destiny of the planet,
      this instant only, the death of a beggar, all by myself.
      ...
      Destiny has run its course, separating God, nature and humans,
      with a crash, the Earth is annihilated.
      ...
      The crow craws and returns to its nest,
      are the withered leaves scattered? has the sparrow flown?
      a sunny spot in winter.
      ...
      The day comes to an end, the sun takes its leave,
      the trees loose their leaves, the sparrow�s nest for the night.
      ...
      We see the same moon whether we are in Japan, Africa or Europe. It is the
      same world...the same nature. We are a part of it, not separate." (Fukuoka)





      On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Jason Stewart <macropneuma@...>wrote:

      > **
      >
      >
      > Not you at all Ruthie.
      > No worries, Ruthie,
      > ...so unfortunately it was late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's Japanese
      > associates (One of them told me and warned me about what not pleasant
      > things happened to them) who were misled by him, a while ago 'doing a lot
      > of playing' (messing) with their uncertainty about which Jason was which,
      > instead of having any kindness towards them to immediately explain to them
      > about himself not being me at all.
      > ...
      > This is not to be encouraged.
      >
      >
      > On 04/05/2012, at 6:42 PM, Ruthie Aquino wrote:
      >
      > > Dear Jason,
      > > I can never mistake you for Mr. Wicker or him for you.
      > > Writing styles, verbiage, and mindsets are worlds apart.
      > > I respect both.
      > > As you recommended below I shall blindly and unquestioningly follow
      > > Fukuoka's recommendation not to plow or scrape my land.
      > > best
      > > RUTHIE
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
      >
      >



      --
      Thanks and all the best,
      Jason


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    • Jason Stewart
      Trashy cheat shot! Them superficial careless words and perverse words don t fool me for a second. Please don t fool yourself and don t anyone else be fooled by
      Message 2 of 6 , May 4 4:33 PM
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        Trashy cheat shot! Them superficial careless words and perverse words don't fool me for a second. Please don't fool yourself and don't anyone else be fooled by this superficiality.

        All,
        leave well enough alone.


        Getting real and serious. Appropriately here:
        --transcript: -> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1993865,00.html
        --video: -> http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,89819851001_1994021,00.html


        Coincidently on Facebook right now, as i write here---this apropos quotation:
        "
        Barefoot Zen
        If we want to succeed in life and bring about a more peaceful world, we must learn to control our emotions and not to be affected by a moment of anger.

        ~ Master Hsing Yun, "Don't Get Mad, Don't Get Even"
        "

        Several hours the day before yesterday was spent with Japanese friends reading and learning more again from late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's Japanese words and professional English translation words.

        On 05/05/2012, at 1:59 AM, Jason Wicker wrote:

        > Jason from Down under,
        > In my opinion your long rants confuse knowledge with wisdom.
        > Please read some quotes from Master Fukuoka and apply them towards your
        > misguided anger.
        > Perhaps out of this adversity we both can learn something?
        > Jason from NJ
        >

        That's not late Fukuoka Masanobu's sensei's words, but a terribly bad rip off, by a certain translator wannabee (who i shall also not give any name to---leave well enough alone, too), which you have now copy and pasted---aweful! That certain person was very clearly told to cease and destist.
        The genuine English translation of his Iroha Revolutionary Verses was professionally done by a team of Japanese and international translators, in a beautifully presented and wonderful bilingual Japanese and English publication. It is available worldwide for purchase. Not in rip off, terribly bad, wannabee--translation on the trashy (copyright--breaching) online world. Early last year i have received the real one and eight Japanese books and two movies, all original late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei publications---published by himself and by major publisher Shunjusha, Japan. Many times i've read his genuine Iroha Revolutionary Verses (an will not trashily copy it online (for attention)).
        Over the last twelve years,
        every single word i have carefully read in context, several times, of four English translation books of his---these---original Japanese books.

        The proper word is misappropriation or expropriation.

        [snipped]



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      • Jason Stewart
        So unfortunately: Two quotations from my private emails, from one of late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei s most important Japanese colleagues/associates and
        Message 3 of 6 , May 4 5:30 PM
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          So unfortunately:
          Two quotations from my private emails,
          from one of late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's most important Japanese colleagues/associates and translators:

          8 October 2011

          "
          � [private email]�
          i started receiveing your mailings from facebook.
          but i can not write to you at facebook by some technical failure.
          � [private email]�
          "
          I never wrote Facebook messages to any one of late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's most important Japanese colleagues/associates and translators. I don't transgress nor disrespect anyone's private social networks or emails, unless they force me to defend, stand up, not be a doormat, my own private social networks and emails by sending a cease and desist notice to their private social network or email (Just the same last email as the last ever plowing---The exception that proves the rule. QED!). Only ever at first, many more years ago, to Larry Korn via Facebook, then transferred since many years ago to email with him.


          Again:

          Dec 12, 2011

          "
          [private email] ...
          lately someone called Jason Wicker started sending me FACEBOOK article almost every day. i noticed it and i believed it was from you, Jason in Australia.

          i could not manage to reply to Facebook, so i determined to write to you(not jason Wicker in NJ, USA) about
          � [private email]�
          � [private email]�
          i apologize for what happened to our communications so far...
          � [private email]�
          "

          A much--worse--than--awkward, situation was created from both of us, by that� .

          It---'the rot'---evidently started from some period of time after this polite and humbly given request for clear identification of a person's identity:
          -> groups.yahoo.com / group / fukuoka_farming / message / 11344

          We both deserve a deep and sincere public apologies from you Jason Wicker -- New Jersey. Send apologies to this group. Do not send apologies to private email addresses or social networks inboxs.
          One of late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's most important colleagues/associates and translators should never have been put in a situation by you to feel the need to apologise to me, for your bad, confusing, unsolicited 'stuff'.


          i said it once, meant it, have clear evidence for it, and should never have to say again to "Jason Wicker of New Jersey": "Eat some humble pie, buddy".


          Jason Stewart
          --currently in Cairns, Bama country, The Wet Tropics of far north Queensland.
          --Openly accepting of (my) membership of, my part within, nature.

          On 04/05/2012, at 7:38 PM, Jason Stewart wrote:

          > Not you at all Ruthie.
          > No worries, Ruthie,
          > ...so unfortunately it was late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's Japanese associates (One of them told me and warned me about what not pleasant things happened to them) who were misled by him, a while ago 'doing a lot of playing' (messing) with their uncertainty about which Jason was which, instead of having any kindness towards them to immediately explain to them about himself not being me at all.
          > ...
          > This is not to be encouraged.
          >
          > On 04/05/2012, at 6:42 PM, Ruthie Aquino wrote:
          >
          > > Dear Jason,
          > > I can never mistake you for Mr. Wicker or him for you.
          > > Writing styles, verbiage, and mindsets are worlds apart.
          > > I respect both.
          > > As you recommended below I shall blindly and unquestioningly follow
          > > Fukuoka's recommendation not to plow or scrape my land.
          > > best
          > > RUTHIE
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          >



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        • Harish Amur
          In my experience, grass can be controlled by mulching. There are two distinct experiments that I have been doing, which provide enough evidence towards this
          Message 4 of 6 , May 5 11:08 PM
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            In my experience, grass can be controlled by mulching. There are two
            distinct experiments that I have been doing, which provide enough evidence
            towards this statement. One: the mulching of sugarcane plantation. This was
            achieved by not burning the debris (leaves et al) produced(rendered?) while
            harvesting. This mulch was quite thick (about 2" or more). What I have
            observed is that the taller grass (sugar cane) does not let similar grass
            grow. However many other weeds (for the lack any other word) grow, which
            are more like ground cover crops. Parthenium grows too. However these
            ground cover crops and parthenium do not seem to affect sugar cane growth.
            Further, the mulch has reduced the need to water to a very large extent. To
            share a perspective: a typical sugar cane farm of one acre is fed 60,000
            litres of water on a weekly basis (I could be off with the estimate by a
            couple of thousand litres). Our one acre sugar cane farm was fed with
            similar amount of water once(one week) in Jan and there is still enough
            moisture in the soil even after months of scroching heat. The summer has
            been a lot more hotter this year. Of course, we did get a few showers in
            between. Here a significant take away is that the 'artificial selection' of
            growing sugarcane has worked. The 'natural selection' of wild grass growth
            has been significantly reduced.

            Second: We covered a few tall trees at our home garden (not the farm) with
            a lot of tree litter (leaves et al). Since the garden has a couple of tall
            trees and the garden was maintained clean for a long time(before we moved
            here last year), there wasn't much of a weed growth, including grass.
            However after the mulching was done, we see a lot of 'good' crops
            underneath the trees. The take away here is that if there is enough mulch
            and a favourable condition, unwanted grass does not grow.

            Philosophically, I agree with Mr. Jason that "Any looking for a spoon fed
            prescriptive formula (by defintion) lacks the imagination to work it out
            from first principles themselves". But that does not help starters. In a
            group like this, we need to get ideas. These ideas help find the first
            principles faster. Else, we can always seek higher
            moral/spiritual/philosphical territories from where even natural farming
            seems 'artificial'. We can go back to hunting and gathering OR directly
            assimilating sun's energy (http://solarhealing.com/)

            Fukuoka san is an immense source of inspiration. We need to draw from this
            inspiration and 're-discover' a more conscious way of 'life'. I would still
            say something that I wrote earlier, which was not popular. "Fukuoka San was
            a sage. If it was not for farming he would have been as spiritual in any
            other walk of life, except that farming is the most natural path that any
            such guru would seek." This statement was misunderstood. A sage is not a
            saint, but a wise old man and spirituality is not religion.

            Regards,
            Harish



            On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Jason Stewart <macropneuma@...>wrote:

            > So unfortunately:
            > Two quotations from my private emails,
            > from one of late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's most important Japanese
            > colleagues/associates and translators:
            >
            > 8 October 2011
            >
            > "
            > … [private email]…
            > i started receiveing your mailings from facebook.
            > but i can not write to you at facebook by some technical failure.
            > … [private email]…
            > "
            > I never wrote Facebook messages to any one of late Fukuoka Masanobu
            > sensei's most important Japanese colleagues/associates and translators. I
            > don't transgress nor disrespect anyone's private social networks or emails,
            > unless they force me to defend, stand up, not be a doormat, my own private
            > social networks and emails by sending a cease and desist notice to their
            > private social network or email (Just the same last email as the last ever
            > plowing---The exception that proves the rule. QED!). Only ever at first,
            > many more years ago, to Larry Korn via Facebook, then transferred since
            > many years ago to email with him.
            >
            >
            > Again:
            >
            > Dec 12, 2011
            >
            > "
            > [private email] ...
            > lately someone called Jason Wicker started sending me FACEBOOK article
            > almost every day. i noticed it and i believed it was from you, Jason in
            > Australia.
            >
            > i could not manage to reply to Facebook, so i determined to write to
            > you(not jason Wicker in NJ, USA) about
            > … [private email]…
            > … [private email]…
            > i apologize for what happened to our communications so far...
            > … [private email]…
            > "
            >
            > A much--worse--than--awkward, situation was created from both of us, by
            > that… .
            >
            > It---'the rot'---evidently started from some period of time after this
            > polite and humbly given request for clear identification of a person's
            > identity:
            > -> groups.yahoo.com / group / fukuoka_farming / message / 11344
            >
            > We both deserve a deep and sincere public apologies from you Jason Wicker
            > -- New Jersey. Send apologies to this group. Do not send apologies to
            > private email addresses or social networks inboxs.
            > One of late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's most important colleagues/associates
            > and translators should never have been put in a situation by you to feel
            > the need to apologise to me, for your bad, confusing, unsolicited 'stuff'.
            >
            >
            > i said it once, meant it, have clear evidence for it, and should never
            > have to say again to "Jason Wicker of New Jersey": "Eat some humble pie,
            > buddy".
            >
            >
            > Jason Stewart
            > --currently in Cairns, Bama country, The Wet Tropics of far north
            > Queensland.
            > --Openly accepting of (my) membership of, my part within, nature.
            >
            > On 04/05/2012, at 7:38 PM, Jason Stewart wrote:
            >
            > > Not you at all Ruthie.
            > > No worries, Ruthie,
            > > ...so unfortunately it was late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's Japanese
            > associates (One of them told me and warned me about what not pleasant
            > things happened to them) who were misled by him, a while ago 'doing a lot
            > of playing' (messing) with their uncertainty about which Jason was which,
            > instead of having any kindness towards them to immediately explain to them
            > about himself not being me at all.
            > > ...
            > > This is not to be encouraged.
            > >
            > > On 04/05/2012, at 6:42 PM, Ruthie Aquino wrote:
            > >
            > > > Dear Jason,
            > > > I can never mistake you for Mr. Wicker or him for you.
            > > > Writing styles, verbiage, and mindsets are worlds apart.
            > > > I respect both.
            > > > As you recommended below I shall blindly and unquestioningly follow
            > > > Fukuoka's recommendation not to plow or scrape my land.
            > > > best
            > > > RUTHIE
            > >
            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > >
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            >
            >
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