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  • Yugandhar S
    Dear Friends, Most of the Indian members on this forum may know Sri Subhash Palekar., the proponent of Zero Budget Natural Farming( ZBNF) which primarily farms
    Message 1 of 13 , Apr 2, 2012
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      Dear Friends,
      Most of the Indian members on this forum may know Sri Subhash Palekar.,
      the proponent of Zero Budget Natural Farming( ZBNF) which primarily farms
      based on Local cow's dung and urine. Just for info, the local cow in India
      is considered as mother, as even waste matter from it is beneficial in many
      ways(medicine and manure), and the cow continues to be worshiped and used
      in farming activities.

      Yesterday, I visited one of his session in Hyderabad to enquire about his
      books along with a friend. We went almost towards the closing hours of the
      inaugural day session. During the 15 minutes I stayed there, Sri Palekar
      made some comments on Fukuoka's do-nothing method which actually pained me.
      I want to share them here to express my concern. I also wrote an email to
      him expressing my concern.

      His words( my words in brackets ): " Attendees, I want to tell you that
      Natural farming and my ZBNF are different. NF was first introduced to the
      world by Japanese plant scientist Masanobu Fukuoka. He practiced and
      proposed a method called do-nothing farming. That means, just sow the
      seeds,sleep at home, and after the growth period is over, just go to the
      field and collect the harvest( Ignorance? We discussed that many times on
      this forum and concluded that do-nothing means to do-nothing AGAINST
      nature). Many people who listened to him and started following his method,
      sowed the seeds and left the fields. After some days when they went to
      collect harvest, there was nothing as weeds have taken control and the
      crops died. Many people lost heavily by following his method ( Really??).
      After his death, even his farm in Japan was converted to chemical farming
      again. We must do some necessary things( Like applying Jeevamrutha? Human
      ego?), otherwise we will not get crops. People also say that ZBNF is
      ancient. That is also false. In ancient method people used to dump cart
      loads of FYM in the fields.....(and he went on to say that his method is
      very new and developed by him alone....reminded me of Bill Mollison who
      felt that nature was not perfect).

      My feeling: I have good respect for Sri Palekar, as I feel that to the lay
      farmer who will definitely not accept do-nothing farming( due to his
      livelihood concerns and fears), ZBNF is a good method to shift from
      chemical to natural methods as it appeals with it's do-this and do-that
      tone. I also believe that the 'principles' of ZBNF are very similar to NF.
      The only thing is the do-nothing is a superior and more closer to nature
      method ( or non-method). There are many visionaries in India itself who
      developed their own sustainable methods ( as discussed many times on this
      forum). The goal of each one was to move closer to nature and natural
      methods. If all such great workers of this earth come together and work
      keeping aside their ego and differences, the world could be a much better
      place. If someone says that his method is the only one that works or trying
      to prove it's superiority over other methods (without proper facts), it is
      detrimental to people. Personally, I felt bad about Palekar's remarks on
      Fukuoka's do-nothing farming. Ironically, Palekar himself refers to the
      forest eco-system as a basis for his methods. That means he is actually
      basing his methods on do-nothing-by-man and do-nothing-against-nature
      principles.

      If ego takes over, there is only one way to go. Downward.

      Thanks and Regards
      Yugandhar


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    • Yugandhar S
      Palekar also said: I met Fukuoka when he visited India. I discussed with him day and night for two days, and at last He agreed that Japanese do-nothing
      Message 2 of 13 , Apr 2, 2012
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        Palekar also said: "I met Fukuoka when he visited India. I discussed with
        him day and night for two days, and at last He agreed that Japanese
        do-nothing farming will not work in India, and ZBNF is much better
        solution."


        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
        From: Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
        Date: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM
        Subject: Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka
        To: Fukuoka Farming <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>


        Dear Friends,
        Most of the Indian members on this forum may know Sri Subhash Palekar.,
        the proponent of Zero Budget Natural Farming( ZBNF) which primarily farms
        based on Local cow's dung and urine. Just for info, the local cow in India
        is considered as mother, as even waste matter from it is beneficial in many
        ways(medicine and manure), and the cow continues to be worshiped and used
        in farming activities.

        Yesterday, I visited one of his session in Hyderabad to enquire about his
        books along with a friend. We went almost towards the closing hours of the
        inaugural day session. During the 15 minutes I stayed there, Sri Palekar
        made some comments on Fukuoka's do-nothing method which actually pained me.
        I want to share them here to express my concern. I also wrote an email to
        him expressing my concern.

        His words( my words in brackets ): " Attendees, I want to tell you that
        Natural farming and my ZBNF are different. NF was first introduced to the
        world by Japanese plant scientist Masanobu Fukuoka. He practiced and
        proposed a method called do-nothing farming. That means, just sow the
        seeds,sleep at home, and after the growth period is over, just go to the
        field and collect the harvest( Ignorance? We discussed that many times on
        this forum and concluded that do-nothing means to do-nothing AGAINST
        nature). Many people who listened to him and started following his method,
        sowed the seeds and left the fields. After some days when they went to
        collect harvest, there was nothing as weeds have taken control and the
        crops died. Many people lost heavily by following his method ( Really??).
        After his death, even his farm in Japan was converted to chemical farming
        again. We must do some necessary things( Like applying Jeevamrutha? Human
        ego?), otherwise we will not get crops. People also say that ZBNF is
        ancient. That is also false. In ancient method people used to dump cart
        loads of FYM in the fields.....(and he went on to say that his method is
        very new and developed by him alone....reminded me of Bill Mollison who
        felt that nature was not perfect).

        My feeling: I have good respect for Sri Palekar, as I feel that to the lay
        farmer who will definitely not accept do-nothing farming( due to his
        livelihood concerns and fears), ZBNF is a good method to shift from
        chemical to natural methods as it appeals with it's do-this and do-that
        tone. I also believe that the 'principles' of ZBNF are very similar to NF.
        The only thing is the do-nothing is a superior and more closer to nature
        method ( or non-method). There are many visionaries in India itself who
        developed their own sustainable methods ( as discussed many times on this
        forum). The goal of each one was to move closer to nature and natural
        methods. If all such great workers of this earth come together and work
        keeping aside their ego and differences, the world could be a much better
        place. If someone says that his method is the only one that works or trying
        to prove it's superiority over other methods (without proper facts), it is
        detrimental to people. Personally, I felt bad about Palekar's remarks on
        Fukuoka's do-nothing farming. Ironically, Palekar himself refers to the
        forest eco-system as a basis for his methods. That means he is actually
        basing his methods on do-nothing-by-man and do-nothing-against-nature
        principles.

        If ego takes over, there is only one way to go. Downward.

        Thanks and Regards
        Yugandhar


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      • yajnesh shetty
        Cheap tricks to belittle others and hog credit.I have lost all respect for him. ________________________________ From: Yugandhar S To:
        Message 3 of 13 , Apr 2, 2012
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          Cheap tricks to belittle others and hog credit.I have lost all respect for him.



          ________________________________
          From: Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
          To: Fukuoka Farming <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 2:04 PM
          Subject: [fukuoka_farming] Fwd: Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka


           
          Palekar also said: "I met Fukuoka when he visited India. I discussed with
          him day and night for two days, and at last He agreed that Japanese
          do-nothing farming will not work in India, and ZBNF is much better
          solution."

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          From: Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
          Date: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM
          Subject: Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka
          To: Fukuoka Farming <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>

          Dear Friends,
          Most of the Indian members on this forum may know Sri Subhash Palekar.,
          the proponent of Zero Budget Natural Farming( ZBNF) which primarily farms
          based on Local cow's dung and urine. Just for info, the local cow in India
          is considered as mother, as even waste matter from it is beneficial in many
          ways(medicine and manure), and the cow continues to be worshiped and used
          in farming activities.

          Yesterday, I visited one of his session in Hyderabad to enquire about his
          books along with a friend. We went almost towards the closing hours of the
          inaugural day session. During the 15 minutes I stayed there, Sri Palekar
          made some comments on Fukuoka's do-nothing method which actually pained me.
          I want to share them here to express my concern. I also wrote an email to
          him expressing my concern.

          His words( my words in brackets ): " Attendees, I want to tell you that
          Natural farming and my ZBNF are different. NF was first introduced to the
          world by Japanese plant scientist Masanobu Fukuoka. He practiced and
          proposed a method called do-nothing farming. That means, just sow the
          seeds,sleep at home, and after the growth period is over, just go to the
          field and collect the harvest( Ignorance? We discussed that many times on
          this forum and concluded that do-nothing means to do-nothing AGAINST
          nature). Many people who listened to him and started following his method,
          sowed the seeds and left the fields. After some days when they went to
          collect harvest, there was nothing as weeds have taken control and the
          crops died. Many people lost heavily by following his method ( Really??).
          After his death, even his farm in Japan was converted to chemical farming
          again. We must do some necessary things( Like applying Jeevamrutha? Human
          ego?), otherwise we will not get crops. People also say that ZBNF is
          ancient. That is also false. In ancient method people used to dump cart
          loads of FYM in the fields.....(and he went on to say that his method is
          very new and developed by him alone....reminded me of Bill Mollison who
          felt that nature was not perfect).

          My feeling: I have good respect for Sri Palekar, as I feel that to the lay
          farmer who will definitely not accept do-nothing farming( due to his
          livelihood concerns and fears), ZBNF is a good method to shift from
          chemical to natural methods as it appeals with it's do-this and do-that
          tone. I also believe that the 'principles' of ZBNF are very similar to NF.
          The only thing is the do-nothing is a superior and more closer to nature
          method ( or non-method). There are many visionaries in India itself who
          developed their own sustainable methods ( as discussed many times on this
          forum). The goal of each one was to move closer to nature and natural
          methods. If all such great workers of this earth come together and work
          keeping aside their ego and differences, the world could be a much better
          place. If someone says that his method is the only one that works or trying
          to prove it's superiority over other methods (without proper facts), it is
          detrimental to people. Personally, I felt bad about Palekar's remarks on
          Fukuoka's do-nothing farming. Ironically, Palekar himself refers to the
          forest eco-system as a basis for his methods. That means he is actually
          basing his methods on do-nothing-by-man and do-nothing-against-nature
          principles.

          If ego takes over, there is only one way to go. Downward.

          Thanks and Regards
          Yugandhar

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        • Boovarahan Srinivasan
          While I don t accept Palekar s comments , I still admire his methods which resulted in turning many farmers from chemical farming to organic farming. The so
          Message 4 of 13 , Apr 2, 2012
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            While I don't accept Palekar's comments , I still admire his methods which
            resulted in turning many farmers from chemical farming to organic farming.

            The so called additives - Jeevamrutha of Palekar / Panchagavya of
            Nammazhwar / Amudha Karaisal of Karikalan all depend on Indian breed
            cow's urine and dung and some sweetener like jaggery / molasses . The most
            important factor is that they don't go against tilling which is
            fundamentally opposed in natural farming.

            I have attended the seminar's of Palekar / Nammazhwar but found everybody
            has his own ego . While Palekar considers inferior all other inputs other
            than his Jeevamrutha , Nammazhwar never talks about any additive other than
            Panchagavya. It all ends in one man projecting himself as spear header /
            leader .

            While Fukuoka never projected his natural farming methods as the ONLY
            viable method , he was magnanimous enough to appreciate good work done by
            others like Bill Mollison , Bhaskar Save , Palekar etc.. But others don't
            have such magnanimity and want to project themselves ALONE as heroes.

            What a pity !

            Boovarahan S
            Chennai.
            09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)


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          • Nandan Palaparambil
            Like Subash Palekar lot of people misunderstands Natural farming and concludes it is about leaving everything to nature. In addition to if there is a mention
            Message 5 of 13 , Apr 2, 2012
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              Like Subash Palekar lot of people misunderstands Natural farming and concludes it is about leaving everything to nature. In addition to if there is a mention about 'do-nothing', then people think they completely understand the scenario of natural farming and they don't even read/discuss to understand.

              People gets attracted to preparations like 'Jeewamritha', but in my opinion if cow dung, cow urine mixed together and sprayed over the mulch will have the same effect as applying 'Jeewamritha'. Fukuoka san could achieve the same thing by applying the chicken manure which is much more efficient. It is a good thing that Subash Palekar could convert lot of chemical farmers to natural farming (+ the preparation), and his books help in planning the orchard and gives which all crops can be selected for mixed planting.

              But it is a pity that Subash Palekar was criticising Masanobu Fukuoka's natural farming without understanding the subject.


              Regards,
              Nandan


              ________________________________
              From: Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
              To: Fukuoka Farming <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 2:01 PM
              Subject: [fukuoka_farming] Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka


               
              Dear Friends,
              Most of the Indian members on this forum may know Sri Subhash Palekar.,
              the proponent of Zero Budget Natural Farming( ZBNF) which primarily farms
              based on Local cow's dung and urine. Just for info, the local cow in India
              is considered as mother, as even waste matter from it is beneficial in many
              ways(medicine and manure), and the cow continues to be worshiped and used
              in farming activities.

              Yesterday, I visited one of his session in Hyderabad to enquire about his
              books along with a friend. We went almost towards the closing hours of the
              inaugural day session. During the 15 minutes I stayed there, Sri Palekar
              made some comments on Fukuoka's do-nothing method which actually pained me.
              I want to share them here to express my concern. I also wrote an email to
              him expressing my concern.

              His words( my words in brackets ): " Attendees, I want to tell you that
              Natural farming and my ZBNF are different. NF was first introduced to the
              world by Japanese plant scientist Masanobu Fukuoka. He practiced and
              proposed a method called do-nothing farming. That means, just sow the
              seeds,sleep at home, and after the growth period is over, just go to the
              field and collect the harvest( Ignorance? We discussed that many times on
              this forum and concluded that do-nothing means to do-nothing AGAINST
              nature). Many people who listened to him and started following his method,
              sowed the seeds and left the fields. After some days when they went to
              collect harvest, there was nothing as weeds have taken control and the
              crops died. Many people lost heavily by following his method ( Really??).
              After his death, even his farm in Japan was converted to chemical farming
              again. We must do some necessary things( Like applying Jeevamrutha? Human
              ego?), otherwise we will not get crops. People also say that ZBNF is
              ancient. That is also false. In ancient method people used to dump cart
              loads of FYM in the fields.....(and he went on to say that his method is
              very new and developed by him alone....reminded me of Bill Mollison who
              felt that nature was not perfect).

              My feeling: I have good respect for Sri Palekar, as I feel that to the lay
              farmer who will definitely not accept do-nothing farming( due to his
              livelihood concerns and fears), ZBNF is a good method to shift from
              chemical to natural methods as it appeals with it's do-this and do-that
              tone. I also believe that the 'principles' of ZBNF are very similar to NF.
              The only thing is the do-nothing is a superior and more closer to nature
              method ( or non-method). There are many visionaries in India itself who
              developed their own sustainable methods ( as discussed many times on this
              forum). The goal of each one was to move closer to nature and natural
              methods. If all such great workers of this earth come together and work
              keeping aside their ego and differences, the world could be a much better
              place. If someone says that his method is the only one that works or trying
              to prove it's superiority over other methods (without proper facts), it is
              detrimental to people. Personally, I felt bad about Palekar's remarks on
              Fukuoka's do-nothing farming. Ironically, Palekar himself refers to the
              forest eco-system as a basis for his methods. That means he is actually
              basing his methods on do-nothing-by-man and do-nothing-against-nature
              principles.

              If ego takes over, there is only one way to go. Downward.

              Thanks and Regards
              Yugandhar

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            • Shashi Kumar
              All, There are host people who do not agree with what we do daily but we still do it. Just how we have a view on what is farming, palekar has his own view,
              Message 6 of 13 , Apr 2, 2012
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                All,

                There are host people who do not agree with what we do daily' but we still
                do it. Just how we have a view on what is farming, palekar has his own
                view, method he employs seems to be personal attack rather than by proof.
                Best solution to handle such people is ignore them.

                Regards
                Shashi




                On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                <p_k_nandanan@...>wrote:

                > Like Subash Palekar lot of people misunderstands Natural farming and
                > concludes it is about leaving everything to nature. In addition to if there
                > is a mention about 'do-nothing', then people think they completely
                > understand the scenario of natural farming and they don't even read/discuss
                > to understand.
                >
                > People gets attracted to preparations like 'Jeewamritha', but in my
                > opinion if cow dung, cow urine mixed together and sprayed over the mulch
                > will have the same effect as applying 'Jeewamritha'. Fukuoka san could
                > achieve the same thing by applying the chicken manure which is much more
                > efficient. It is a good thing that Subash Palekar could convert lot of
                > chemical farmers to natural farming (+ the preparation), and his books help
                > in planning the orchard and gives which all crops can be selected for mixed
                > planting.
                >
                > But it is a pity that Subash Palekar was criticising Masanobu Fukuoka's
                > natural farming without understanding the subject.
                >
                >
                > Regards,
                > Nandan
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
                > To: Fukuoka Farming <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 2:01 PM
                > Subject: [fukuoka_farming] Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka
                >
                >
                >
                > Dear Friends,
                > Most of the Indian members on this forum may know Sri Subhash Palekar.,
                > the proponent of Zero Budget Natural Farming( ZBNF) which primarily farms
                > based on Local cow's dung and urine. Just for info, the local cow in India
                > is considered as mother, as even waste matter from it is beneficial in many
                > ways(medicine and manure), and the cow continues to be worshiped and used
                > in farming activities.
                >
                > Yesterday, I visited one of his session in Hyderabad to enquire about his
                > books along with a friend. We went almost towards the closing hours of the
                > inaugural day session. During the 15 minutes I stayed there, Sri Palekar
                > made some comments on Fukuoka's do-nothing method which actually pained me.
                > I want to share them here to express my concern. I also wrote an email to
                > him expressing my concern.
                >
                > His words( my words in brackets ): " Attendees, I want to tell you that
                > Natural farming and my ZBNF are different. NF was first introduced to the
                > world by Japanese plant scientist Masanobu Fukuoka. He practiced and
                > proposed a method called do-nothing farming. That means, just sow the
                > seeds,sleep at home, and after the growth period is over, just go to the
                > field and collect the harvest( Ignorance? We discussed that many times on
                > this forum and concluded that do-nothing means to do-nothing AGAINST
                > nature). Many people who listened to him and started following his method,
                > sowed the seeds and left the fields. After some days when they went to
                > collect harvest, there was nothing as weeds have taken control and the
                > crops died. Many people lost heavily by following his method ( Really??).
                > After his death, even his farm in Japan was converted to chemical farming
                > again. We must do some necessary things( Like applying Jeevamrutha? Human
                > ego?), otherwise we will not get crops. People also say that ZBNF is
                > ancient. That is also false. In ancient method people used to dump cart
                > loads of FYM in the fields.....(and he went on to say that his method is
                > very new and developed by him alone....reminded me of Bill Mollison who
                > felt that nature was not perfect).
                >
                > My feeling: I have good respect for Sri Palekar, as I feel that to the lay
                > farmer who will definitely not accept do-nothing farming( due to his
                > livelihood concerns and fears), ZBNF is a good method to shift from
                > chemical to natural methods as it appeals with it's do-this and do-that
                > tone. I also believe that the 'principles' of ZBNF are very similar to NF.
                > The only thing is the do-nothing is a superior and more closer to nature
                > method ( or non-method). There are many visionaries in India itself who
                > developed their own sustainable methods ( as discussed many times on this
                > forum). The goal of each one was to move closer to nature and natural
                > methods. If all such great workers of this earth come together and work
                > keeping aside their ego and differences, the world could be a much better
                > place. If someone says that his method is the only one that works or trying
                > to prove it's superiority over other methods (without proper facts), it is
                > detrimental to people. Personally, I felt bad about Palekar's remarks on
                > Fukuoka's do-nothing farming. Ironically, Palekar himself refers to the
                > forest eco-system as a basis for his methods. That means he is actually
                > basing his methods on do-nothing-by-man and do-nothing-against-nature
                > principles.
                >
                > If ego takes over, there is only one way to go. Downward.
                >
                > Thanks and Regards
                > Yugandhar
                >
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                >
                >
                >
                >
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                >
                >
                >
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                >
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                >
                >
                >
                >


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              • Anant Joglekar
                If you spit on SUN it boomerang on your own face.Criticizing Fukuoka is --------   anant joglekar 9423089706 The ultimate goal of natural farming is not
                Message 7 of 13 , Apr 2, 2012
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                  If you spit on SUN it boomerang on your own face.Criticizing Fukuoka is --------

                   
                  anant joglekar
                  9423089706

                  The ultimate goal of natural farming is not simply growing crops but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.  Masanobu Fukuoka



                  >________________________________
                  > From: Nandan Palaparambil <p_k_nandanan@...>
                  >To: "fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com" <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012 7:49 PM
                  >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka
                  >
                  >

                  >Like Subash Palekar lot of people misunderstands Natural farming and concludes it is about leaving everything to nature. In addition to if there is a mention about 'do-nothing', then people think they completely understand the scenario of natural farming and they don't even read/discuss to understand.
                  >
                  >People gets attracted to preparations like 'Jeewamritha', but in my opinion if cow dung, cow urine mixed together and sprayed over the mulch will have the same effect as applying 'Jeewamritha'. Fukuoka san could achieve the same thing by applying the chicken manure which is much more efficient. It is a good thing that Subash Palekar could convert lot of chemical farmers to natural farming (+ the preparation), and his books help in planning the orchard and gives which all crops can be selected for mixed planting.
                  >
                  >But it is a pity that Subash Palekar was criticising Masanobu Fukuoka's natural farming without understanding the subject.
                  >
                  >Regards,
                  >Nandan
                  >
                  >________________________________
                  >From: Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
                  >To: Fukuoka Farming <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 2:01 PM
                  >Subject: [fukuoka_farming] Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka
                  >
                  >

                  >Dear Friends,
                  >Most of the Indian members on this forum may know Sri Subhash Palekar.,
                  >the proponent of Zero Budget Natural Farming( ZBNF) which primarily farms
                  >based on Local cow's dung and urine. Just for info, the local cow in India
                  >is considered as mother, as even waste matter from it is beneficial in many
                  >ways(medicine and manure), and the cow continues to be worshiped and used
                  >in farming activities.
                  >
                  >Yesterday, I visited one of his session in Hyderabad to enquire about his
                  >books along with a friend. We went almost towards the closing hours of the
                  >inaugural day session. During the 15 minutes I stayed there, Sri Palekar
                  >made some comments on Fukuoka's do-nothing method which actually pained me.
                  >I want to share them here to express my concern. I also wrote an email to
                  >him expressing my concern.
                  >
                  >His words( my words in brackets ): " Attendees, I want to tell you that
                  >Natural farming and my ZBNF are different. NF was first introduced to the
                  >world by Japanese plant scientist Masanobu Fukuoka. He practiced and
                  >proposed a method called do-nothing farming. That means, just sow the
                  >seeds,sleep at home, and after the growth period is over, just go to the
                  >field and collect the harvest( Ignorance? We discussed that many times on
                  >this forum and concluded that do-nothing means to do-nothing AGAINST
                  >nature). Many people who listened to him and started following his method,
                  >sowed the seeds and left the fields. After some days when they went to
                  >collect harvest, there was nothing as weeds have taken control and the
                  >crops died. Many people lost heavily by following his method ( Really??).
                  >After his death, even his farm in Japan was converted to chemical farming
                  >again. We must do some necessary things( Like applying Jeevamrutha? Human
                  >ego?), otherwise we will not get crops. People also say that ZBNF is
                  >ancient. That is also false. In ancient method people used to dump cart
                  >loads of FYM in the fields.....(and he went on to say that his method is
                  >very new and developed by him alone....reminded me of Bill Mollison who
                  >felt that nature was not perfect).
                  >
                  >My feeling: I have good respect for Sri Palekar, as I feel that to the lay
                  >farmer who will definitely not accept do-nothing farming( due to his
                  >livelihood concerns and fears), ZBNF is a good method to shift from
                  >chemical to natural methods as it appeals with it's do-this and do-that
                  >tone. I also believe that the 'principles' of ZBNF are very similar to NF.
                  >The only thing is the do-nothing is a superior and more closer to nature
                  >method ( or non-method). There are many visionaries in India itself who
                  >developed their own sustainable methods ( as discussed many times on this
                  >forum). The goal of each one was to move closer to nature and natural
                  >methods. If all such great workers of this earth come together and work
                  >keeping aside their ego and differences, the world could be a much better
                  >place. If someone says that his method is the only one that works or trying
                  >to prove it's superiority over other methods (without proper facts), it is
                  >detrimental to people. Personally, I felt bad about Palekar's remarks on
                  >Fukuoka's do-nothing farming. Ironically, Palekar himself refers to the
                  >forest eco-system as a basis for his methods. That means he is actually
                  >basing his methods on do-nothing-by-man and do-nothing-against-nature
                  >principles.
                  >
                  >If ego takes over, there is only one way to go. Downward.
                  >
                  >Thanks and Regards
                  >Yugandhar
                  >
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                  >
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                • Anant Joglekar
                  EGO is like a ECLIPSE overshadowing all the BRIGHTNESS of PERSONALITY. Let US pray for Mr Palekar................. May god bless him..........   anant
                  Message 8 of 13 , Apr 2, 2012
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                    EGO is like a ECLIPSE overshadowing all the BRIGHTNESS of PERSONALITY.


                    Let US pray for Mr Palekar.................

                    May god bless him..........

                     
                    anant joglekar
                    9423089706

                    The ultimate goal of natural farming is not simply growing crops but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.  Masanobu Fukuoka



                    >________________________________
                    > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                    >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                    >Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012 7:06 PM
                    >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Fwd: Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka
                    >
                    >

                    >While I don't accept Palekar's comments , I still admire his methods which
                    >resulted in turning many farmers from chemical farming to organic farming.
                    >
                    >The so called additives - Jeevamrutha of Palekar / Panchagavya of
                    >Nammazhwar / Amudha Karaisal of Karikalan all depend on Indian breed
                    >cow's urine and dung and some sweetener like jaggery / molasses . The most
                    >important factor is that they don't go against tilling which is
                    >fundamentally opposed in natural farming.
                    >
                    >I have attended the seminar's of Palekar / Nammazhwar but found everybody
                    >has his own ego . While Palekar considers inferior all other inputs other
                    >than his Jeevamrutha , Nammazhwar never talks about any additive other than
                    >Panchagavya. It all ends in one man projecting himself as spear header /
                    >leader .
                    >
                    >While Fukuoka never projected his natural farming methods as the ONLY
                    >viable method , he was magnanimous enough to appreciate good work done by
                    >others like Bill Mollison , Bhaskar Save , Palekar etc.. But others don't
                    >have such magnanimity and want to project themselves ALONE as heroes.
                    >
                    >What a pity !
                    >
                    >Boovarahan S
                    >Chennai.
                    >09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
                    >
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                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >

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                  • Ruthie Aquino
                    Dear Indian friends, dear friends, Once again your reactions above have shown your humility. To me intellectual humility is a sure sign of intelligence. Far be
                    Message 9 of 13 , Apr 2, 2012
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                      Dear Indian friends, dear friends,
                      Once again your reactions above have shown your humility.
                      To me intellectual humility is a sure sign of intelligence.
                      Far be it from me to be flattering anybody here, I am just so do-nothingly
                      happy to have you men who do not answer (verbal) violence with violence.
                      Have a nice day.
                      RUTHIE



                      2012/4/3 Anant Joglekar <apjoglekar@...>

                      > **
                      >
                      >
                      > EGO is like a ECLIPSE overshadowing all the BRIGHTNESS of PERSONALITY.
                      >
                      > Let US pray for Mr Palekar.................
                      >
                      > May god bless him..........
                      >
                      >
                      > anant joglekar
                      > 9423089706
                      >
                      > The ultimate goal of natural farming is not simply growing crops but the
                      > cultivation and perfection of human beings. Masanobu Fukuoka
                      >
                      > >________________________________
                      > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                      > >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                      > >Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012 7:06 PM
                      > >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Fwd: Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka
                      >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >While I don't accept Palekar's comments , I still admire his methods which
                      > >resulted in turning many farmers from chemical farming to organic farming.
                      > >
                      > >The so called additives - Jeevamrutha of Palekar / Panchagavya of
                      > >Nammazhwar / Amudha Karaisal of Karikalan all depend on Indian breed
                      > >cow's urine and dung and some sweetener like jaggery / molasses . The most
                      > >important factor is that they don't go against tilling which is
                      > >fundamentally opposed in natural farming.
                      > >
                      > >I have attended the seminar's of Palekar / Nammazhwar but found everybody
                      > >has his own ego . While Palekar considers inferior all other inputs other
                      > >than his Jeevamrutha , Nammazhwar never talks about any additive other
                      > than
                      > >Panchagavya. It all ends in one man projecting himself as spear header /
                      > >leader .
                      > >
                      > >While Fukuoka never projected his natural farming methods as the ONLY
                      > >viable method , he was magnanimous enough to appreciate good work done by
                      > >others like Bill Mollison , Bhaskar Save , Palekar etc.. But others don't
                      > >have such magnanimity and want to project themselves ALONE as heroes.
                      > >
                      > >What a pity !
                      > >
                      > >Boovarahan S
                      > >Chennai.
                      > >09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
                      > >
                      > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
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                    • Travellingatthespeedofthought
                      EGO This is what happens when we forget that everything comes from Mother Nature.   Zac ________________________________ From: Yugandhar S
                      Message 10 of 13 , Apr 3, 2012
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                        EGO

                        This is what happens when we forget that everything comes from Mother Nature.  

                        Zac


                        ________________________________
                        From: Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
                        To: Fukuoka Farming <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 2:16 PM
                        Subject: [fukuoka_farming] Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka

                        Dear Friends,
                          Most of the Indian members on this forum may know Sri Subhash Palekar.,
                        the proponent of Zero Budget Natural Farming( ZBNF) which primarily farms
                        based on Local cow's dung and urine. Just for info, the local cow in India
                        is considered as mother, as even waste matter from it is beneficial in many
                        ways(medicine and manure), and the cow continues to be worshiped and used
                        in farming activities.

                        Yesterday, I visited one of his session in Hyderabad to enquire about his
                        books along with a friend. We went almost towards the closing hours of the
                        inaugural day session. During the 15 minutes I stayed there, Sri Palekar
                        made some comments on Fukuoka's do-nothing method which actually pained me.
                        I want to share them here to express my concern. I also wrote an email to
                        him expressing my concern.

                        His words( my words in brackets ): " Attendees, I want to tell you that
                        Natural farming and my ZBNF are different. NF was first introduced to the
                        world by Japanese plant scientist Masanobu Fukuoka. He practiced and
                        proposed a method called do-nothing farming. That means, just sow the
                        seeds,sleep at home, and after the growth period is over, just go to the
                        field and collect the harvest( Ignorance? We discussed that many times on
                        this forum and concluded that do-nothing means to do-nothing AGAINST
                        nature). Many people who listened to him and started following his method,
                        sowed the seeds and left the fields. After some days when they went to
                        collect harvest, there was nothing as weeds have taken control and the
                        crops died. Many people lost heavily by following his method ( Really??).
                        After his death, even his farm in Japan was converted to chemical farming
                        again. We must do some necessary things( Like applying Jeevamrutha? Human
                        ego?), otherwise we will not get crops. People also say that ZBNF is
                        ancient. That is also false. In ancient method people used to dump cart
                        loads of FYM in the fields.....(and he went on to say that his method is
                        very new and developed by him alone....reminded me of Bill Mollison who
                        felt that nature was not perfect).

                        My feeling: I have good respect for Sri Palekar, as I feel that to the lay
                        farmer who will definitely not accept do-nothing farming( due to his
                        livelihood concerns and fears), ZBNF is a good method to shift from
                        chemical to natural methods as it appeals with it's do-this and do-that
                        tone. I also believe that the 'principles' of ZBNF are very similar to NF.
                        The only thing is the do-nothing is a superior and more closer to nature
                        method ( or non-method). There are many visionaries in India itself who
                        developed their own sustainable methods ( as discussed many times on this
                        forum). The goal of each one was to move closer to nature and natural
                        methods. If all such great workers of this earth come together and work
                        keeping aside their ego and differences, the world could be a much better
                        place. If someone says that his method is the only one that works or trying
                        to prove it's superiority over other methods (without proper facts), it is
                        detrimental to people. Personally, I felt bad about Palekar's remarks on
                        Fukuoka's do-nothing farming. Ironically, Palekar himself refers to the
                        forest eco-system as a basis for his methods. That means he is actually
                        basing his methods on do-nothing-by-man and do-nothing-against-nature
                        principles.

                        If ego takes over, there is only one way to go. Downward.

                        Thanks and Regards
                        Yugandhar


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                      • Jason Stewart
                        Thank you Yugandhar, for your clarification. And: In my logic--based aspect of awareness: It is exactly the nature (illusion and exclusivity) of ego to divert
                        Message 11 of 13 , Apr 3, 2012
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                          Thank you Yugandhar,
                          for your clarification.

                          And:
                          In my logic--based aspect of awareness:
                          It is exactly the nature (illusion and exclusivity) of ego to divert from wholeheartedly becoming part of and participating within that which is much bigger than (more inclusive than) ourself--(ego) -- nature is much bigger than, inclusive of and more inclusive than, ourself--(ego). Emphasising, nature includes humans and our'selves'--('ego'), only those suffering from these self--exclusion--illusions of ego don't or can't see nature as including of them'selves'.

                          Does anyone have any responses of additional Fukuoka Masanobu books translation languages?


                          sincerely biggest best true nature with all,

                          Jason Stewart
                          --in Cairns at the moment.
                          --Openly accepting of (my) membership of, part within, nature.

                          On 02/04/2012, at 6:34 PM, Yugandhar S wrote:

                          > Palekar also said: "I met Fukuoka when he visited India. I discussed with
                          > him day and night for two days, and at last He agreed that Japanese
                          > do-nothing farming will not work in India, and ZBNF is much better
                          > solution."
                          >
                          > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                          > From: Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
                          > Date: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM
                          > Subject: Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka
                          > To: Fukuoka Farming <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                          >
                          > Dear Friends,
                          > Most of the Indian members on this forum may know Sri Subhash Palekar.,
                          > the proponent of Zero Budget Natural Farming( ZBNF) which primarily farms
                          > based on Local cow's dung and urine. Just for info, the local cow in India
                          > is considered as mother, as even waste matter from it is beneficial in many
                          > ways(medicine and manure), and the cow continues to be worshiped and used
                          > in farming activities.
                          >
                          > Yesterday, I visited one of his session in Hyderabad to enquire about his
                          > books along with a friend. We went almost towards the closing hours of the
                          > inaugural day session. During the 15 minutes I stayed there, Sri Palekar
                          > made some comments on Fukuoka's do-nothing method which actually pained me.
                          > I want to share them here to express my concern. I also wrote an email to
                          > him expressing my concern.
                          >
                          > His words( my words in brackets ): " Attendees, I want to tell you that
                          > Natural farming and my ZBNF are different. NF was first introduced to the
                          > world by Japanese plant scientist Masanobu Fukuoka. He practiced and
                          > proposed a method called do-nothing farming. That means, just sow the
                          > seeds,sleep at home, and after the growth period is over, just go to the
                          > field and collect the harvest( Ignorance? We discussed that many times on
                          > this forum and concluded that do-nothing means to do-nothing AGAINST
                          > nature). Many people who listened to him and started following his method,
                          > sowed the seeds and left the fields. After some days when they went to
                          > collect harvest, there was nothing as weeds have taken control and the
                          > crops died. Many people lost heavily by following his method ( Really??).
                          > After his death, even his farm in Japan was converted to chemical farming
                          > again. We must do some necessary things( Like applying Jeevamrutha? Human
                          > ego?), otherwise we will not get crops. People also say that ZBNF is
                          > ancient. That is also false. In ancient method people used to dump cart
                          > loads of FYM in the fields.....(and he went on to say that his method is
                          > very new and developed by him alone....reminded me of Bill Mollison who
                          > felt that nature was not perfect).
                          >
                          > My feeling: I have good respect for Sri Palekar, as I feel that to the lay
                          > farmer who will definitely not accept do-nothing farming( due to his
                          > livelihood concerns and fears), ZBNF is a good method to shift from
                          > chemical to natural methods as it appeals with it's do-this and do-that
                          > tone. I also believe that the 'principles' of ZBNF are very similar to NF.
                          > The only thing is the do-nothing is a superior and more closer to nature
                          > method ( or non-method). There are many visionaries in India itself who
                          > developed their own sustainable methods ( as discussed many times on this
                          > forum). The goal of each one was to move closer to nature and natural
                          > methods. If all such great workers of this earth come together and work
                          > keeping aside their ego and differences, the world could be a much better
                          > place. If someone says that his method is the only one that works or trying
                          > to prove it's superiority over other methods (without proper facts), it is
                          > detrimental to people. Personally, I felt bad about Palekar's remarks on
                          > Fukuoka's do-nothing farming. Ironically, Palekar himself refers to the
                          > forest eco-system as a basis for his methods. That means he is actually
                          > basing his methods on do-nothing-by-man and do-nothing-against-nature
                          > principles.
                          >
                          > If ego takes over, there is only one way to go. Downward.
                          >
                          > Thanks and Regards
                          > Yugandhar
                          >
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                        • Jason Stewart
                          On this subject, i think you all will find this high quality, highly informative, recent radio program really eye opening: See: →
                          Message 12 of 13 , Apr 3, 2012
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                            On this subject, i think you all will find this high quality, highly informative, recent radio program really eye opening:

                            See: → http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/numinous-cosmos/3864728


                            NUMINOUS COSMOS

                            Listen nowDownload audio
                            Broadcast:Thursday 15 March 2012 8:05PM (view full episode)
                            What is a better tool for gaining knowledge and discovering truth—science or spirituality? Or are the scientific and spiritual approaches not so different after all? A physicist, a Buddhist monk and a biologist talk about the numinous cosmos and enlightenment.

                            Guests
                            David Blair
                            Astrophysicist and Director of Australian International Gravitational Research Centre.
                            Abbot Ajahn Brahm
                            Spiritual Director of the *Buddhist* Society of Western Australia
                            Dr Stephen Wylie
                            Molecular Biologist at Murdoch University

                            Please let me know if you can't access it by downloading or streaming, i can immediately assist as i've downloaded it (and it is free).


                            sincerely biggest best true nature with all,

                            Jason Stewart
                            --in Cairns at the moment.
                            --Openly accepting of (my) membership of, part within, nature.

                            On 03/04/2012, at 6:03 PM, Travellingatthespeedofthought wrote:

                            > EGO
                            >
                            > This is what happens when we forget that everything comes from Mother Nature.
                            >
                            > Zac
                            >
                            > ________________________________
                            > From: Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
                            > To: Fukuoka Farming <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 2:16 PM
                            > Subject: [fukuoka_farming] Subhash Palekar's comments on Fukuoka
                            >
                            > Dear Friends,
                            > Most of the Indian members on this forum may know Sri Subhash Palekar.,
                            > the proponent of Zero Budget Natural Farming( ZBNF) which primarily farms
                            > based on Local cow's dung and urine. Just for info, the local cow in India
                            > is considered as mother, as even waste matter from it is beneficial in many
                            > ways(medicine and manure), and the cow continues to be worshiped and used
                            > in farming activities.
                            >
                            > Yesterday, I visited one of his session in Hyderabad to enquire about his
                            > books along with a friend. We went almost towards the closing hours of the
                            > inaugural day session. During the 15 minutes I stayed there, Sri Palekar
                            > made some comments on Fukuoka's do-nothing method which actually pained me.
                            > I want to share them here to express my concern. I also wrote an email to
                            > him expressing my concern.
                            >
                            > His words( my words in brackets ): " Attendees, I want to tell you that
                            > Natural farming and my ZBNF are different. NF was first introduced to the
                            > world by Japanese plant scientist Masanobu Fukuoka. He practiced and
                            > proposed a method called do-nothing farming. That means, just sow the
                            > seeds,sleep at home, and after the growth period is over, just go to the
                            > field and collect the harvest( Ignorance? We discussed that many times on
                            > this forum and concluded that do-nothing means to do-nothing AGAINST
                            > nature). Many people who listened to him and started following his method,
                            > sowed the seeds and left the fields. After some days when they went to
                            > collect harvest, there was nothing as weeds have taken control and the
                            > crops died. Many people lost heavily by following his method ( Really??).
                            > After his death, even his farm in Japan was converted to chemical farming
                            > again. We must do some necessary things( Like applying Jeevamrutha? Human
                            > ego?), otherwise we will not get crops. People also say that ZBNF is
                            > ancient. That is also false. In ancient method people used to dump cart
                            > loads of FYM in the fields.....(and he went on to say that his method is
                            > very new and developed by him alone....reminded me of Bill Mollison who
                            > felt that nature was not perfect).
                            >
                            > My feeling: I have good respect for Sri Palekar, as I feel that to the lay
                            > farmer who will definitely not accept do-nothing farming( due to his
                            > livelihood concerns and fears), ZBNF is a good method to shift from
                            > chemical to natural methods as it appeals with it's do-this and do-that
                            > tone. I also believe that the 'principles' of ZBNF are very similar to NF.
                            > The only thing is the do-nothing is a superior and more closer to nature
                            > method ( or non-method). There are many visionaries in India itself who
                            > developed their own sustainable methods ( as discussed many times on this
                            > forum). The goal of each one was to move closer to nature and natural
                            > methods. If all such great workers of this earth come together and work
                            > keeping aside their ego and differences, the world could be a much better
                            > place. If someone says that his method is the only one that works or trying
                            > to prove it's superiority over other methods (without proper facts), it is
                            > detrimental to people. Personally, I felt bad about Palekar's remarks on
                            > Fukuoka's do-nothing farming. Ironically, Palekar himself refers to the
                            > forest eco-system as a basis for his methods. That means he is actually
                            > basing his methods on do-nothing-by-man and do-nothing-against-nature
                            > principles.
                            >
                            > If ego takes over, there is only one way to go. Downward.
                            >
                            > Thanks and Regards
                            > Yugandhar
                            >
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                            >
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                            >
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                            >
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                          • Jason Stewart
                            Please clarify—realise: → http://www.thedalailamamovie.com/ —Please buy this movie —copyright for the best reasons in the world. Copyright piracy, but
                            Message 13 of 13 , Apr 4, 2012
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                              Please clarify—realise:

                              http://www.thedalailamamovie.com/
                              —Please buy this movie
                              —copyright for the best reasons in the world.

                              Copyright piracy, but still viewable in full for free (–for preview i say towards buying–)
                              in YouTube here:
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R5l5IWN7qs

                              Please clarify—realise from the dialogue and the Dalai Lama's explanation near the end of the film.


                              sincerely biggest best true nature with all,

                              Jason Stewart
                              --in Cairns at the moment.
                              --Openly accepting of (my) membership of, part within, nature.

                              PS. Also, another clarification and expansion from my clear awareness:
                              ...
                              ...Institutional societal structures established many thousands of years ago involving violence do not lack violence today long after they were established,
                              institutions founded with violence but today not obviously showing violence are still really and very violent (structurally and institutionally)—you would or should know and if not please all be advised. Violence is not just individual physical, but worse of psychological eg. torture, hatred and spiritual warfare and bigger scale of societal and national violence. Being a doormat is defeat—encouraging violent perpetrators to keep stomping their dirt off on one. Self protection and self-defence when clearly necessary for the combined total of less violence than combined total of letting violence perpetrators continue violence over and over again. Please clarify and realise! Flattery misperceptions of superiority are in fact misperceptions of power games, one-up-MAN-ship, exclusion and masked–hidden foundations in prior violence. ...
                              ... (written without much copyediting nor completion—you come to your own awareness realisation and clarification of it. Too many words from me have no use if you don't come to realise it in clearing your own awareness. ... ... ...)

                              On 03/04/2012, at 4:17 PM, Ruthie Aquino wrote:

                              > you men who do not answer (verbal) violence with violence.
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