Well, I wasn't there for long, so I haven't got much to report, and
remember that I'm new to all this. Aside from that: it seems that most of
the permaculture people are into forest gardens. For example, if they have
enough land there might be one or more parts turned into forest gardens. But
not all. Robert Hart was an Englishman, so he is popular here. I gather that
even he kept some land for the sun-loving plants - I don't think you get
much vegetables from a forest garden alone. There was a woman there who had
been a friend of Robert's, and had his library there for people to see,
which had been left to her. She says the people now on Robert's land are not
friendly and the garden is left to become what it may - another unfortunate
One woman told me that some of the fruits from a forest garden taste
horrible! I would guess that it might be a case of educating the palate, and
perhaps digging up old traditional recipies for these long disused foods.
I questioned one woman about whether permaculture people plough or not. She
told me that they don't, which surprised me. I was under the impression that
it was only a select few that are Fukuokian in that respect. But she says
no, everyone tries not to plough, not to disturb the earth. I questioned,
"they Never plough?" 'oh, well Sometimes!" It seems that they (well, I
suppose the ones she knows) plough now and again, only when they "have to",
whatever that means.
But they are really cool people, and I think close to Fukouka. Perhaps I am
wrong but it seems to me that Fukuoka was a little anti-Fukuoka? Didn't he
speak out against their "mixing" of techniques, and how it should be totally
"pure". But I think that these guys, for example, really try to learn from
nature. They really try to observe what grows around them, and what is
appropriate. I my feeling is that that is a key also for Fukuoka. They are
also concerned with society, and how we interact. And how we live - what
impact our lifestyle has on society and so on. So it is a whole
philosophical thing too. Like Fukuoka says, we transform ourselves - another
Guilds? I heard about some coppicers teaming together. Working forests
sustainably sounds really very interesting to me. If I've got the guts I
will cyle to see a guy called Ben Law (you'll find him on Amazon) to find
out more about that. I suppose that is even more "natural" farming than even
Fukuoka or Hart! Of course, coppicing doesn't work everywhere, but it is
great here. Ah, another thing. A guy up in Scotland has a nice amount of
land, and started doing this permaculture stuff. He also makes baskets and
that sort of thing. At that time all those kind of craftsmen had to get
there willow sent from Devon, right down in the south west of England. When
he started planting willow on his land up in Scotland, the neighbors thought
he was mad. They all know you can't grow willow up there!
Now several other people also grow willow in Scotland.
Well that's all I have to report.
>Hi Again Justin,
>Just a postscript: Ruth Stout, of course, was never a member of this
>list; she died long before it was created. She certainly did a great
>deal to popularize no dig, deep mulch gardening even before Fukuoka's
>writings were available. Unlike Fukuoka's out of print books, her
>books often sell for reasonable prices on the used book market, and
>some of them are coming back into print in the US. I don't know if
>she and Fukuoka ever met, but they seem to have made their
>discoveries independently. Certainly, they were kindred spirits.
>Bargyla Rateaver has always been concerned with building up the
>fertility of the soil by an array of traditional organic methods,
>including compost and compost tea. But her membership in this list
>shows that she was exploring natural farming too.
>Would you tell us what you learned about forest farming, guilds, and
>so on at the permaculture meeting? Was there any talk of natural
>--- In fukuoka_farming@y..., "Justin ." <justinasia@h...> wrote:
> > Hello all.
> > I remember that someone mentioned an old woman called Ruth, who had
> > previously been a contributer on this list. Concern was expressed
> > absence of posts.
> > I have just returned from the UK annual Permaculture meeting. I
>have seen a
> > book there by Ruth Stout, and she was described to me as an old
> > woman, from Australia who went to live in America. She was
> > first "no-dig" gardener (that's what he said.) She seems to fit the
> > lovely description, though that was before I was on the list, and I
> > read those posts.Ruth Stout .... oh, I have just had a closer look
> > book (Gardening Without Work, by Ruth Stout. What I was going to
> > that Ruth died a year or so ago. So that was what I was going to
> > all. That is in fact what I was told today, by that man. But now I
> > the back of the book that she died actually in 1980. Now I question
> > whether the nice old woman you were taking about was even called
> > not!
> > Okay, so that's my news - sorry so jumbled. The meeting was cool.
> > tomorrow but we only went for the day. Lots of great projects going
> > Great ideas. Forest gardens, willow growing, all sorts.
> > Bon nuit
> > Justin.
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