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  • Willow Morningsky
    http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/ Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles Posted by: kristl Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm (PDT) On my list
    Message 1 of 24 , Aug 5, 2011
      http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/


      Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
      Posted by: "kristl"
      Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm (PDT) On my list of things to do tomorrow: Join FCLDF
      Thanks,
      Kristina (in GA)
      -----Original Message-----
      From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
      Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 
      To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
      Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles

      ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES

      RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
      the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail with $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
      and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.

      Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
      tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
      advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.

      Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
      Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
      Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
      says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
      session.

      ACTION TO TAKE
      The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments actions, call 213-974-3512.

      Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA, KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.

      Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!!   Willow

      TALKING POINTS
      Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
      --Infringement of private property rights
      --Misuse of state resources
      --Denying citizens freedom of food choice

      Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
      lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
      in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
      milk.

      See our publicists blog about the original raid:
      http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel- on-food-police- and-rawesome- raid/

      BACKGROUND
      Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:

      News for October 22, 2010
      Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of local, state and federal law enforcement

      On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
      even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
      and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
      California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
      stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
      of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
      finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
      property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid

      News for July 4, 2010
      What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?

      This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
      raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
      my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
      high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
      opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
      raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
      unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
      among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
      human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
      not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
      foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
      For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
      milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
      years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
      foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
      without a license.

      In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
      detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
      unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
      annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
      shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
      sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
      any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
      better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
      favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
      has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
      license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
      club.

      Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
      Weston A Price Foundation
      703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org

      Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
      310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com



      ____________ _________ _________ _____


      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    • Ruthie Aquino
      Is there a moderator in our group? Hey this is Fukuoka farming, a non-organized, unobtrusive gathering of individuals who don t go out and protest but stay
      Message 2 of 24 , Aug 5, 2011
        Is there a moderator in our group?
        Hey this is Fukuoka farming, a non-organized, unobtrusive gathering of
        individuals who don't go out and protest but stay home and plant.
        Or am I wrong?
        Americans--I like them very much, truly--are a strange, pragmatic lot. They
        banned the importation into their country of unpasteurized French cheeses
        including camembert and roquefort, and now they want me to sign this stuff?
        Anyway, as I was saying, they're strange. Why would anyone ban raw milk?
        While they're at it, they could also ban the breathing of polluted air.
        best
        RUTHIE


        2011/8/5 Willow Morningsky <WillowMorningSky@...>

        > **
        >
        >
        >
        > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/
        >
        > Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
        > Posted by: "kristl"
        > Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm (PDT) On my list of things to do tomorrow: Join
        > FCLDF
        > Thanks,
        > Kristina (in GA)
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
        > Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011
        > To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
        > Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
        >
        > ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES
        >
        > RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
        > the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail with
        > $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
        > and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.
        >
        > Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
        > tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
        > advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to
        > join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.
        >
        > Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
        > Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
        > Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
        > says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
        > session.
        >
        > ACTION TO TAKE
        > The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the
        > case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments
        > actions, call 213-974-3512.
        >
        > Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA,
        > KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.
        >
        > Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!! Willow
        >
        > TALKING POINTS
        > Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
        > --Infringement of private property rights
        > --Misuse of state resources
        > --Denying citizens freedom of food choice
        >
        > Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
        > lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
        > in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
        > milk.
        >
        > See our publicists blog about the original raid:
        > http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel- on-food-police-
        > and-rawesome- raid/
        >
        > BACKGROUND
        > Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:
        >
        > News for October 22, 2010
        > Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of local,
        > state and federal law enforcement
        >
        > On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
        > even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
        > and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
        > California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
        > stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
        > of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
        > finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
        > property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid
        >
        > News for July 4, 2010
        > What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?
        >
        > This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
        > raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
        > my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
        > high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
        > opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
        > raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
        > unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
        > among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
        > human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
        > not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
        > foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
        > For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
        > milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
        > years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
        > foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
        > without a license.
        >
        > In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
        > detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
        > unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
        > annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
        > shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
        > sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
        > any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
        > better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
        > favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
        > has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
        > license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
        > club.
        >
        > Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
        > Weston A Price Foundation
        > 703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org
        >
        > Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
        > 310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com
        >
        > ____________ _________ _________ _____
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
        >
        >


        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • Travellingatthespeedofthought
        I think we should be more careful with what is posted in this group.  This news is incredibly poorly written and full of a lot of mis-information .  As we
        Message 3 of 24 , Aug 5, 2011
          I think we should be more careful with what is posted in this group.  This "news" is incredibly poorly written and full of a lot of "mis-information".  As we all know, you can not just believe everything which is posted on the internet.  Let's stay away from anything to do with big business or politics.  Let's not support anything except each other and other farmers in the communities we live in.

          Do we have a moderator?

          Zac
          Canada/Nepal



          ________________________________
          From: Willow Morningsky <WillowMorningSky@...>
          To: willowmorningsky@...
          Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 11:07 PM
          Subject: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!


          http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/


          Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles 
          Posted by:      "kristl"
          Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm        (PDT) On my list of things to do tomorrow: Join FCLDF
          Thanks,
          Kristina (in GA)
          -----Original Message-----
          From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
          Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 
          To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
          Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles

          ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES

          RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
          the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail  with $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
          and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.

          Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
          tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
          advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.

          Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
          Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
          Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
          says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
          session.

          ACTION TO TAKE
          The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments actions, call 213-974-3512.

          Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA, KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.

          Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!!   Willow

          TALKING POINTS
          Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
          --Infringement of private property rights
          --Misuse of state resources
          --Denying citizens freedom of food choice

          Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
          lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
          in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
          milk.

          See our publicists blog about the original raid:
          http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel- on-food-police- and-rawesome- raid/

          BACKGROUND
          Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:

          News for October 22, 2010
          Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of local, state and federal law enforcement

          On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
          even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
          and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
          California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
          stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
          of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
          finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
          property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid

          News for July 4, 2010
          What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?

          This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
          raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
          my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
          high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
          opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
          raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
          unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
          among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
          human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
          not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
          foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
          For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
          milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
          years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
          foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
          without a license.

          In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
          detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
          unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
          annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
          shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
          sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
          any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
          better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
          favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
          has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
          license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
          club.

          Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
          Weston A Price Foundation
          703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org

          Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
          310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com



          ____________ _________ _________ _____


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        • Sumant Joshi
          Well, I guess, most people here are what you said they are, but some of us may want to look into this as well. As long as these kind of calls for action don t
          Message 4 of 24 , Aug 5, 2011
            Well, I guess, most people here are what you said they are, but some of us may want to look into this as well. As long as these kind of calls for action don't become too frequent, and they aren't as of now, I think it is ok, in my humble opinion.

            Actually, US citizens are being screwed by their corporates who use their money power  to subvert the law to their own ends. This is one such incident. The ban on French cheese is also probably a result of some corporate house doing. This phenomena is going to be repeated around the world, so watch out and don't let corporates hijack your government. 



            Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone


            Warm regards,

            Sumant Joshi
            Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161



            >________________________________
            >From: Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>
            >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
            >Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 2:45 AM
            >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
            >
            >Is there a moderator in our group?
            >Hey this is Fukuoka farming, a non-organized, unobtrusive gathering of
            >individuals who don't go out and protest but stay home and plant.
            >Or am I wrong?
            >Americans--I like them very much, truly--are a strange, pragmatic lot.  They
            >banned the importation into their country of unpasteurized French cheeses
            >including camembert and roquefort, and now they want me to sign this stuff?
            >Anyway, as I was saying, they're strange.  Why would anyone ban raw milk?
            >While they're at it, they could also ban the breathing of polluted air.
            >best
            >RUTHIE
            >
            >
            >2011/8/5 Willow Morningsky <WillowMorningSky@...>
            >
            >> **
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/
            >>
            >> Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
            >> Posted by: "kristl"
            >> Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm (PDT) On my list of things to do tomorrow: Join
            >> FCLDF
            >> Thanks,
            >> Kristina (in GA)
            >> -----Original Message-----
            >> From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
            >> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011
            >> To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
            >> Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
            >>
            >> ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES
            >>
            >> RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
            >> the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail with
            >> $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
            >> and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.
            >>
            >> Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
            >> tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
            >> advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to
            >> join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.
            >>
            >> Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
            >> Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
            >> Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
            >> says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
            >> session.
            >>
            >> ACTION TO TAKE
            >> The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the
            >> case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments
            >> actions, call 213-974-3512.
            >>
            >> Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA,
            >> KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.
            >>
            >> Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!!  Willow
            >>
            >> TALKING POINTS
            >> Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
            >> --Infringement of private property rights
            >> --Misuse of state resources
            >> --Denying citizens freedom of food choice
            >>
            >> Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
            >> lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
            >> in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
            >> milk.
            >>
            >> See our publicists blog about the original raid:
            >> http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel- on-food-police-
            >> and-rawesome- raid/
            >>
            >> BACKGROUND
            >> Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:
            >>
            >> News for October 22, 2010
            >> Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of local,
            >> state and federal law enforcement
            >>
            >> On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
            >> even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
            >> and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
            >> California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
            >> stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
            >> of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
            >> finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
            >> property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid
            >>
            >> News for July 4, 2010
            >> What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?
            >>
            >> This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
            >> raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
            >> my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
            >> high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
            >> opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
            >> raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
            >> unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
            >> among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
            >> human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
            >> not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
            >> foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
            >> For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
            >> milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
            >> years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
            >> foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
            >> without a license.
            >>
            >> In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
            >> detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
            >> unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
            >> annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
            >> shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
            >> sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
            >> any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
            >> better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
            >> favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
            >> has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
            >> license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
            >> club.
            >>
            >> Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
            >> Weston A Price Foundation
            >> 703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org
            >>
            >> Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
            >> 310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com
            >>
            >> ____________ _________ _________ _____
            >>
            >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >
            >
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            >
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          • Ruthie Aquino
            Yes Sumant you are right I was over-reacting. It is because in this group I appreciate the peace and quiet... best RUTHIE 2011/8/6 Sumant Joshi
            Message 5 of 24 , Aug 5, 2011
              Yes Sumant you are right I was over-reacting.
              It is because in this group I appreciate the peace and quiet...

              best
              RUTHIE

              2011/8/6 Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...>

              > **
              >
              >
              > Well, I guess, most people here are what you said they are, but some of us
              > may want to look into this as well. As long as these kind of calls for
              > action don't become too frequent, and they aren't as of now, I think it is
              > ok, in my humble opinion.
              >
              > Actually, US citizens are being screwed by their corporates who use their
              > money power to subvert the law to their own ends. This is one such
              > incident. The ban on French cheese is also probably a result of some
              > corporate house doing. This phenomena is going to be repeated around the
              > world, so watch out and don't let corporates hijack your government.
              >
              > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
              >
              > Warm regards,
              >
              > Sumant Joshi
              > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
              >
              > >________________________________
              > >From: Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>
              > >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
              > >Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 2:45 AM
              > >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
              >
              > >
              > >Is there a moderator in our group?
              > >Hey this is Fukuoka farming, a non-organized, unobtrusive gathering of
              > >individuals who don't go out and protest but stay home and plant.
              > >Or am I wrong?
              > >Americans--I like them very much, truly--are a strange, pragmatic lot.
              > They
              > >banned the importation into their country of unpasteurized French cheeses
              > >including camembert and roquefort, and now they want me to sign this
              > stuff?
              > >Anyway, as I was saying, they're strange. Why would anyone ban raw milk?
              > >While they're at it, they could also ban the breathing of polluted air.
              > >best
              > >RUTHIE
              > >
              > >
              > >2011/8/5 Willow Morningsky <WillowMorningSky@...>
              > >
              > >> **
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/
              > >>
              > >> Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
              > >> Posted by: "kristl"
              > >> Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm (PDT) On my list of things to do tomorrow: Join
              > >> FCLDF
              > >> Thanks,
              > >> Kristina (in GA)
              > >> -----Original Message-----
              > >> From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
              > >> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011
              > >> To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
              > >> Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
              > >>
              > >> ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES
              > >>
              > >> RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
              > >> the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail with
              > >> $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
              > >> and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.
              > >>
              > >> Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
              > >> tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
              > >> advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to
              > >> join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.
              > >>
              > >> Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
              > >> Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
              > >> Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
              > >> says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
              > >> session.
              > >>
              > >> ACTION TO TAKE
              > >> The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the
              > >> case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments
              > >> actions, call 213-974-3512.
              > >>
              > >> Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA,
              > >> KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.
              > >>
              > >> Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!! Willow
              > >>
              > >> TALKING POINTS
              > >> Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
              > >> --Infringement of private property rights
              > >> --Misuse of state resources
              > >> --Denying citizens freedom of food choice
              > >>
              > >> Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
              > >> lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
              > >> in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
              > >> milk.
              > >>
              > >> See our publicists blog about the original raid:
              > >> http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel-
              > on-food-police-
              > >> and-rawesome- raid/
              > >>
              > >> BACKGROUND
              > >> Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:
              > >>
              > >> News for October 22, 2010
              > >> Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of
              > local,
              > >> state and federal law enforcement
              > >>
              > >> On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
              > >> even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
              > >> and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
              > >> California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
              > >> stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
              > >> of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
              > >> finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
              > >> property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid
              > >>
              > >> News for July 4, 2010
              > >> What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?
              > >>
              > >> This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
              > >> raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
              > >> my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
              > >> high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
              > >> opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
              > >> raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
              > >> unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
              > >> among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
              > >> human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
              > >> not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
              > >> foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
              > >> For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
              > >> milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
              > >> years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
              > >> foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
              > >> without a license.
              > >>
              > >> In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
              > >> detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
              > >> unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
              > >> annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
              > >> shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
              > >> sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
              > >> any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
              > >> better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
              > >> favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
              > >> has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
              > >> license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
              > >> club.
              > >>
              > >> Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
              > >> Weston A Price Foundation
              > >> 703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org
              > >>
              > >> Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
              > >> 310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com
              > >>
              > >> ____________ _________ _________ _____
              > >>
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              > >>
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              > >>
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            • Boovarahan Srinivasan
              This kind of arm twisting methods of govt agencies at the behest or corporate multinationals is deploarable . Already Indian farmers are against such moves in
              Message 6 of 24 , Aug 6, 2011
                This kind of arm twisting methods of govt agencies at the behest or
                corporate multinationals is deploarable . Already Indian farmers are against
                such moves in the face of introduction of GM seeds BT cotton and chemical
                inputs like Endosulfan.

                Ruthie ! As far I know France and USA don't go hand in hand well , at least
                in agriculture and subsidies . That may be because of the French mindset
                which craves for freedom. I may be wrong due to my low level international
                political knowledge but it just occured to me. Sorry if I am wrong.

                On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>wrote:

                > Yes Sumant you are right I was over-reacting.
                > It is because in this group I appreciate the peace and quiet...
                >
                > best
                > RUTHIE



                > Boovarahan S
                >
                Chennai.
                09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)


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              • Sumant Joshi
                Corruption!! Naked and pure and simple and to hell with farmers. GM crops, in addition to being a danger to people also make farmers totally dependent on
                Message 7 of 24 , Aug 6, 2011
                  Corruption!! Naked and pure and simple and to hell with farmers. GM crops, in addition to being a danger to people also make farmers totally dependent on corporate giants like Monsanto and Cargil. I think farmers deserve our support where ever they are.



                  Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone


                  Warm regards,

                  Sumant Joshi
                  Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161



                  >________________________________
                  >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                  >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                  >Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 5:14 PM
                  >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                  >
                  >

                  >This kind of arm twisting methods of govt agencies at the behest or
                  >corporate multinationals is deploarable . Already Indian farmers are against
                  >such moves in the face of introduction of GM seeds BT cotton and chemical
                  >inputs like Endosulfan.
                  >
                  >Ruthie ! As far I know France and USA don't go hand in hand well , at least
                  >in agriculture and subsidies . That may be because of the French mindset
                  >which craves for freedom. I may be wrong due to my low level international
                  >political knowledge but it just occured to me. Sorry if I am wrong.
                  >
                  >On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>wrote:
                  >
                  >> Yes Sumant you are right I was over-reacting.
                  >> It is because in this group I appreciate the peace and quiet...
                  >>
                  >> best
                  >> RUTHIE
                  >
                  >> Boovarahan S
                  >>
                  >Chennai.
                  >09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
                  >
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                  >
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                  >
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                • Sumant Joshi
                  No harm done, it is a wake up call for all of us, especially in India. Politicians and corporates make for a dangerous combination. Sent from my BSNL landline
                  Message 8 of 24 , Aug 6, 2011
                    No harm done, it is a wake up call for all of us, especially in India. Politicians and corporates make for a dangerous combination.



                    Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone


                    Warm regards,

                    Sumant Joshi
                    Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161



                    >________________________________
                    >From: Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>
                    >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                    >Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 10:38 AM
                    >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                    >
                    >Yes Sumant you are right I was over-reacting.
                    >It is because in this group I appreciate the peace and quiet...
                    >
                    >best
                    >RUTHIE
                    >
                    >2011/8/6 Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...>
                    >
                    >> **
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> Well, I guess, most people here are what you said they are, but some of us
                    >> may want to look into this as well. As long as these kind of calls for
                    >> action don't become too frequent, and they aren't as of now, I think it is
                    >> ok, in my humble opinion.
                    >>
                    >> Actually, US citizens are being screwed by their corporates who use their
                    >> money power  to subvert the law to their own ends. This is one such
                    >> incident. The ban on French cheese is also probably a result of some
                    >> corporate house doing. This phenomena is going to be repeated around the
                    >> world, so watch out and don't let corporates hijack your government.
                    >>
                    >> Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                    >>
                    >> Warm regards,
                    >>
                    >> Sumant Joshi
                    >> Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                    >>
                    >> >________________________________
                    >> >From: Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>
                    >> >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                    >> >Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 2:45 AM
                    >> >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                    >>
                    >> >
                    >> >Is there a moderator in our group?
                    >> >Hey this is Fukuoka farming, a non-organized, unobtrusive gathering of
                    >> >individuals who don't go out and protest but stay home and plant.
                    >> >Or am I wrong?
                    >> >Americans--I like them very much, truly--are a strange, pragmatic lot.
                    >> They
                    >> >banned the importation into their country of unpasteurized French cheeses
                    >> >including camembert and roquefort, and now they want me to sign this
                    >> stuff?
                    >> >Anyway, as I was saying, they're strange.  Why would anyone ban raw milk?
                    >> >While they're at it, they could also ban the breathing of polluted air.
                    >> >best
                    >> >RUTHIE
                    >> >
                    >> >
                    >> >2011/8/5 Willow Morningsky <WillowMorningSky@...>
                    >> >
                    >> >> **
                    >> >>
                    >> >>
                    >> >>
                    >> >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/
                    >> >>
                    >> >> Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                    >> >> Posted by: "kristl"
                    >> >> Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm (PDT) On my list of things to do tomorrow: Join
                    >> >> FCLDF
                    >> >> Thanks,
                    >> >> Kristina (in GA)
                    >> >> -----Original Message-----
                    >> >> From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
                    >> >> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011
                    >> >> To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
                    >> >> Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                    >> >>
                    >> >> ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES
                    >> >>
                    >> >> RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
                    >> >> the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail with
                    >> >> $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
                    >> >> and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.
                    >> >>
                    >> >> Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
                    >> >> tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
                    >> >> advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to
                    >> >> join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.
                    >> >>
                    >> >> Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
                    >> >> Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
                    >> >> Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
                    >> >> says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
                    >> >> session.
                    >> >>
                    >> >> ACTION TO TAKE
                    >> >> The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the
                    >> >> case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments
                    >> >> actions, call 213-974-3512.
                    >> >>
                    >> >> Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA,
                    >> >> KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.
                    >> >>
                    >> >> Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!!  Willow
                    >> >>
                    >> >> TALKING POINTS
                    >> >> Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
                    >> >> --Infringement of private property rights
                    >> >> --Misuse of state resources
                    >> >> --Denying citizens freedom of food choice
                    >> >>
                    >> >> Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
                    >> >> lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
                    >> >> in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
                    >> >> milk.
                    >> >>
                    >> >> See our publicists blog about the original raid:
                    >> >> http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel-
                    >> on-food-police-
                    >> >> and-rawesome- raid/
                    >> >>
                    >> >> BACKGROUND
                    >> >> Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:
                    >> >>
                    >> >> News for October 22, 2010
                    >> >> Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of
                    >> local,
                    >> >> state and federal law enforcement
                    >> >>
                    >> >> On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
                    >> >> even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
                    >> >> and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
                    >> >> California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
                    >> >> stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
                    >> >> of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
                    >> >> finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
                    >> >> property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid
                    >> >>
                    >> >> News for July 4, 2010
                    >> >> What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?
                    >> >>
                    >> >> This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
                    >> >> raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
                    >> >> my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
                    >> >> high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
                    >> >> opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
                    >> >> raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
                    >> >> unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
                    >> >> among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
                    >> >> human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
                    >> >> not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
                    >> >> foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
                    >> >> For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
                    >> >> milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
                    >> >> years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
                    >> >> foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
                    >> >> without a license.
                    >> >>
                    >> >> In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
                    >> >> detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
                    >> >> unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
                    >> >> annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
                    >> >> shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
                    >> >> sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
                    >> >> any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
                    >> >> better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
                    >> >> favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
                    >> >> has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
                    >> >> license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
                    >> >> club.
                    >> >>
                    >> >> Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
                    >> >> Weston A Price Foundation
                    >> >> 703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org
                    >> >>
                    >> >> Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
                    >> >> 310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com
                    >> >>
                    >> >> ____________ _________ _________ _____
                    >> >>
                    >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >> >>
                    >> >>
                    >> >>
                    >> >
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                    >> >
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                    >>
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                  • Shashi Kumar
                    Yes, this group is moderated -- Here is how the moderation works -- 1. First 4 to 5 posts from a new group member are moderated. 2. After first 4 to 5 posts,
                    Message 9 of 24 , Aug 6, 2011
                      Yes, this group is moderated --

                      Here is how the moderation works --

                      1. First 4 to 5 posts from a new group member are moderated.
                      2. After first 4 to 5 posts, posts by the group member are NOT moderated.

                      Regards
                      Shashi, Group Moderator.



                      On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Travellingatthespeedofthought <
                      zacworldwide@...> wrote:

                      > I think we should be more careful with what is posted in this group. This
                      > "news" is incredibly poorly written and full of a lot of "mis-information".
                      > As we all know, you can not just believe everything which is posted on the
                      > internet. Let's stay away from anything to do with big business or
                      > politics. Let's not support anything except each other and other farmers in
                      > the communities we live in.
                      >
                      > Do we have a moderator?
                      >
                      > Zac
                      > Canada/Nepal
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: Willow Morningsky <WillowMorningSky@...>
                      > To: willowmorningsky@...
                      > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 11:07 PM
                      > Subject: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                      >
                      >
                      > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/
                      >
                      >
                      > Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                      > Posted by: "kristl"
                      > Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm (PDT) On my list of things to do tomorrow:
                      > Join FCLDF
                      > Thanks,
                      > Kristina (in GA)
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
                      > Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011
                      > To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
                      > Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                      >
                      > ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES
                      >
                      > RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
                      > the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail with
                      > $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
                      > and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.
                      >
                      > Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
                      > tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
                      > advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to
                      > join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.
                      >
                      > Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
                      > Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
                      > Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
                      > says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
                      > session.
                      >
                      > ACTION TO TAKE
                      > The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the
                      > case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments
                      > actions, call 213-974-3512.
                      >
                      > Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA,
                      > KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.
                      >
                      > Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!! Willow
                      >
                      > TALKING POINTS
                      > Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
                      > --Infringement of private property rights
                      > --Misuse of state resources
                      > --Denying citizens freedom of food choice
                      >
                      > Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
                      > lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
                      > in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
                      > milk.
                      >
                      > See our publicists blog about the original raid:
                      > http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel- on-food-police-
                      > and-rawesome- raid/
                      >
                      > BACKGROUND
                      > Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:
                      >
                      > News for October 22, 2010
                      > Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of local,
                      > state and federal law enforcement
                      >
                      > On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
                      > even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
                      > and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
                      > California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
                      > stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
                      > of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
                      > finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
                      > property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid
                      >
                      > News for July 4, 2010
                      > What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?
                      >
                      > This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
                      > raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
                      > my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
                      > high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
                      > opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
                      > raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
                      > unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
                      > among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
                      > human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
                      > not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
                      > foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
                      > For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
                      > milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
                      > years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
                      > foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
                      > without a license.
                      >
                      > In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
                      > detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
                      > unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
                      > annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
                      > shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
                      > sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
                      > any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
                      > better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
                      > favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
                      > has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
                      > license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
                      > club.
                      >
                      > Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
                      > Weston A Price Foundation
                      > 703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org
                      >
                      > Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
                      > 310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                      >
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                    • Ruthie Aquino
                      Agriculture is dependent on culture, Booze, I agree with you that two different cultures can t have the same agriculture. The French have a looong history,
                      Message 10 of 24 , Aug 6, 2011
                        Agriculture is dependent on culture, Booze, I agree with you that two
                        different cultures can't have the same agriculture.
                        The French have a looong history, while the USA is a relatively young
                        federation. Americans are pragmatic : those who were on the Mayflower left
                        old Europe for a new life somewhere very far away where frontiers could
                        still be conquered. It is a mindset. Old Europe has deeply-rooted customs
                        and traditions. As to the US, there was an attempt in their history to
                        exterminate their very own native American Indians. France has a history of
                        colonialism, while the US has a history of slavery and expansionism. We see
                        here two very different life stories. It is not good for one nation to
                        impose their will or way of life on another. Let old Europe be, and let
                        America be. The rest is protectionism and politicizing. For me diversity
                        is not a problem. It is intolerance that is the problem.
                        You are not a zero but a hero.
                        best
                        RUTHIE

                        2011/8/6 Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>

                        > **
                        >
                        >
                        > This kind of arm twisting methods of govt agencies at the behest or
                        > corporate multinationals is deploarable . Already Indian farmers are
                        > against
                        > such moves in the face of introduction of GM seeds BT cotton and chemical
                        > inputs like Endosulfan.
                        >
                        > Ruthie ! As far I know France and USA don't go hand in hand well , at least
                        > in agriculture and subsidies . That may be because of the French mindset
                        > which craves for freedom. I may be wrong due to my low level international
                        > political knowledge but it just occured to me. Sorry if I am wrong.
                        >
                        > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > > Yes Sumant you are right I was over-reacting.
                        > > It is because in this group I appreciate the peace and quiet...
                        > >
                        > > best
                        > > RUTHIE
                        >
                        > > Boovarahan S
                        > >
                        > Chennai.
                        > 09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
                        >
                        >
                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        >
                        >
                        >


                        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      • Sumant Joshi
                        I agree, the mail is rather poorly written but I think it signifies the haste/ panic this person seems to be in. I have read some and seen some movies on the
                        Message 11 of 24 , Aug 7, 2011
                          I agree, the mail is rather poorly written but I think it signifies the haste/ panic this person seems to be in. I have read some and seen some movies on the net and what this guy is saying is right. The food industry in the US has become an all powerful monster and if we do not watch it is knocking on your door next. The kind of laws they have managed to enact is frightening. And it does mean helping farmers by doing something about it.

                          see the movie "food inc" on You tube. Natural farming is the biggest enemy these corporates have and they will do whatever it takes to stamp it out.



                          Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone


                          Warm regards,

                          Sumant Joshi
                          Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161



                          >________________________________
                          >From: Travellingatthespeedofthought <zacworldwide@...>
                          >To: "fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com" <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                          >Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 7:56 AM
                          >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                          >
                          >

                          >I think we should be more careful with what is posted in this group.  This "news" is incredibly poorly written and full of a lot of "mis-information".  As we all know, you can not just believe everything which is posted on the internet.  Let's stay away from anything to do with big business or politics.  Let's not support anything except each other and other farmers in the communities we live in.
                          >
                          >Do we have a moderator?
                          >
                          >Zac
                          >Canada/Nepal
                          >
                          >________________________________
                          >From: Willow Morningsky <WillowMorningSky@...>
                          >To: willowmorningsky@...
                          >Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 11:07 PM
                          >Subject: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                          >
                          >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/
                          >
                          >Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles 
                          >Posted by:      "kristl"
                          >Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm        (PDT) On my list of things to do tomorrow: Join FCLDF
                          >Thanks,
                          >Kristina (in GA)
                          >-----Original Message-----
                          >From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
                          >Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 
                          >To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
                          >Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                          >
                          >ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES
                          >
                          >RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
                          >the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail  with $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
                          >and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.
                          >
                          >Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
                          >tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
                          >advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.
                          >
                          >Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
                          >Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
                          >Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
                          >says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
                          >session.
                          >
                          >ACTION TO TAKE
                          >The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments actions, call 213-974-3512.
                          >
                          >Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA, KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.
                          >
                          >Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!!   Willow
                          >
                          >TALKING POINTS
                          >Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
                          >--Infringement of private property rights
                          >--Misuse of state resources
                          >--Denying citizens freedom of food choice
                          >
                          >Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
                          >lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
                          >in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
                          >milk.
                          >
                          >See our publicists blog about the original raid:
                          >http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel- on-food-police- and-rawesome- raid/
                          >
                          >BACKGROUND
                          >Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:
                          >
                          >News for October 22, 2010
                          >Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of local, state and federal law enforcement
                          >
                          >On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
                          >even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
                          >and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
                          >California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
                          >stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
                          >of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
                          >finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
                          >property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid
                          >
                          >News for July 4, 2010
                          >What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?
                          >
                          >This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
                          >raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
                          >my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
                          >high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
                          >opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
                          >raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
                          >unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
                          >among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
                          >human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
                          >not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
                          >foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
                          >For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
                          >milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
                          >years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
                          >foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
                          >without a license.
                          >
                          >In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
                          >detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
                          >unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
                          >annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
                          >shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
                          >sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
                          >any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
                          >better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
                          >favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
                          >has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
                          >license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
                          >club.
                          >
                          >Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
                          >Weston A Price Foundation
                          >703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org
                          >
                          >Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
                          >310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com
                          >
                          >____________ _________ _________ _____
                          >
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                          >
                          >------------------------------------
                          >
                          >Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >
                          >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >

                          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                          Sumant ! Natural farming has become the enemy of corporate giants because it frees the farmers from the clutches of multinationals . But if you go to the root
                          Message 12 of 24 , Aug 7, 2011
                            Sumant !

                            Natural farming has become the enemy of corporate giants because it frees
                            the farmers from the clutches of multinationals .

                            But if you go to the root of the problem , it is the farmers who are to be
                            blamed. Their greed to get more and more from land , considering land as a
                            machine of grain production , treating insects and weeds as enemies , trying
                            to convert the land as a money making machine - all led to this present day
                            scenario. And in their greed , generations have forgotten about the natural
                            ways of farming . Whenever I meet any new farmers and ask about how people
                            used to get bumper crops some 100 years ago without using any kind of
                            chemicals , they simply blink and don't have the answers . And people of the
                            past were stronger than the present day villagers who still get cleaner air
                            , water and good physical work than their city counterparts . And the health
                            of the present day villagers is no more better than that of their city
                            dwelling counterparts as I can see rampant cases of diabetes , heart
                            ailments , cancer , premature deaths and high blood pressure in villagers. I
                            doubt very much the use of chemicals as the cause of these diseases . Though
                            the scientific community is meek in declaring this , due to the funding they
                            receive from corporates , I am still of this view. I may be wrong .

                            As Fukuoka rightly said , natural farming is just a part of natural living.
                            So long mankind does not return to nature , there is going to be no better
                            future. Whenever I try to trace the root cause of human suffering , I can
                            not but think of Fukuoka and his genius. But , as the world is moving in a
                            frenetic pace for more , more , more and more , I see no end to human
                            misery. I may be wrong but it just occurred to me.

                            On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:

                            > **
                            >
                            >
                            > I agree, the mail is rather poorly written but I think it signifies the
                            > haste/ panic this person seems to be in. I have read some and seen some
                            > movies on the net and what this guy is saying is right. The food industry in
                            > the US has become an all powerful monster and if we do not watch it is
                            > knocking on your door next. The kind of laws they have managed to enact is
                            > frightening. And it does mean helping farmers by doing something about it.
                            >
                            > see the movie "food inc" on You tube. Natural farming is the biggest enemy
                            > these corporates have and they will do whatever it takes to stamp it out.
                            >
                            >
                            > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                            >
                            > Warm regards,
                            >
                            > Sumant Joshi
                            > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                            >
                            > >________________________________
                            > >From: Travellingatthespeedofthought <zacworldwide@...>
                            > >To: "fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com" <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                            > >Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 7:56 AM
                            > >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                            >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >I think we should be more careful with what is posted in this group. This
                            > "news" is incredibly poorly written and full of a lot of "mis-information".
                            > As we all know, you can not just believe everything which is posted on the
                            > internet. Let's stay away from anything to do with big business or
                            > politics. Let's not support anything except each other and other farmers in
                            > the communities we live in.
                            > >
                            > >Do we have a moderator?
                            > >
                            > >Zac
                            > >Canada/Nepal
                            > >
                            > >________________________________
                            > >From: Willow Morningsky <WillowMorningSky@...>
                            > >To: willowmorningsky@...
                            > >Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 11:07 PM
                            > >Subject: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                            > >
                            > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/
                            > >
                            > >Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                            > >Posted by: "kristl"
                            > >Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm (PDT) On my list of things to do tomorrow:
                            > Join FCLDF
                            > >Thanks,
                            > >Kristina (in GA)
                            > >-----Original Message-----
                            > >From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
                            > >Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011
                            > >To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
                            > >Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                            > >
                            > >ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES
                            > >
                            > >RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
                            > >the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail with
                            > $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
                            > >and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.
                            > >
                            > >Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
                            > >tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
                            > >advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to
                            > join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.
                            > >
                            > >Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
                            > >Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
                            > >Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
                            > >says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
                            > >session.
                            > >
                            > >ACTION TO TAKE
                            > >The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the
                            > case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments
                            > actions, call 213-974-3512.
                            > >
                            > >Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA,
                            > KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.
                            > >
                            > >Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!! Willow
                            > >
                            > >TALKING POINTS
                            > >Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
                            > >--Infringement of private property rights
                            > >--Misuse of state resources
                            > >--Denying citizens freedom of food choice
                            > >
                            > >Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
                            > >lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
                            > >in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
                            > >milk.
                            > >
                            > >See our publicists blog about the original raid:
                            > >http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel- on-food-police-
                            > and-rawesome- raid/
                            > >
                            > >BACKGROUND
                            > >Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:
                            > >
                            > >News for October 22, 2010
                            > >Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of
                            > local, state and federal law enforcement
                            > >
                            > >On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
                            > >even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
                            > >and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
                            > >California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
                            > >stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
                            > >of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
                            > >finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
                            > >property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid
                            > >
                            > >News for July 4, 2010
                            > >What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?
                            > >
                            > >This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
                            > >raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
                            > >my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
                            > >high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
                            > >opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
                            > >raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
                            > >unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
                            > >among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
                            > >human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
                            > >not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
                            > >foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
                            > >For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
                            > >milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
                            > >years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
                            > >foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
                            > >without a license.
                            > >
                            > >In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
                            > >detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
                            > >unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
                            > >annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
                            > >shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
                            > >sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
                            > >any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
                            > >better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
                            > >favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
                            > >has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
                            > >license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
                            > >club.
                            > >
                            > >Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
                            > >Weston A Price Foundation
                            > >703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org
                            > >
                            > >Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
                            > >310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com
                            > >
                            > >____________ _________ _________ _____
                            > >
                            > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > >
                            > >------------------------------------
                            > >
                            > >Yahoo! Groups Links
                            > >
                            > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            >
                            >
                            >



                            --
                            Boovarahan S
                            Chennai.
                            09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)


                            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          • yajnesh shetty
                            The government of India is the largest producer of fertilizers and pesticides (in India)and spends crores of rupees every year to advertise its wares.It uses
                            Message 13 of 24 , Aug 7, 2011
                              The government of India is the largest producer of fertilizers and pesticides (in India)and

                              spends crores of rupees every year to advertise its wares.It uses its administrative machinery

                              to popularise chemical farming and floats schemes and subsidies and incentives to entice

                              poor farmers to indulge in these practices.
                              The farmers depend on farming as their sole means of livelihood and providing for their

                              children so when the government promises them bumper crops and prosperity they believe

                              them.What is wrong in trying earn more for yourself and your dependents? They do not have

                              the luxury of having other means of income and on an empty stomach principles take a

                              backseat. By the time they realise their mistake they are trapped in a cycle of debt and

                              dependance and they no longer have the means nor the courage to break out of it since

                              everyone around including the agricultural scientist and the government tell them the

                              chemical farming mantra is the only way.
                              They are the biggest victims of this deep rooted conspiracy and as we see daily they are

                              literally paying for it with their lives. I think it is an oversimplification and unfair to say they

                              are the root cause for what is happening.
                               Just my 2 cents worth.
                                                                                                        Regards,
                                                                                                            Yaj.


                              ________________________________
                              From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                              To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 7:07 PM
                              Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!

                              Sumant !

                              Natural farming has become the enemy of corporate giants because it frees
                              the farmers from the clutches of multinationals .

                              But if you go to the root of the problem , it is the farmers who are to be
                              blamed. Their greed to get more and more from land , considering land as a
                              machine of grain production , treating insects and weeds as enemies , trying
                              to convert the land as a money making machine - all led to this present day
                              scenario. And in their greed , generations have forgotten about the natural
                              ways of farming . Whenever I meet any new farmers and ask about how people
                              used to get bumper crops some 100 years ago without using any kind of
                              chemicals , they simply blink and don't have the answers . And people of the
                              past were stronger than the present day villagers who still get cleaner air
                              , water and good physical work than their city counterparts . And the health
                              of the present day villagers is no more better than that of their city
                              dwelling counterparts as I can see rampant cases of diabetes , heart
                              ailments , cancer , premature deaths and high blood pressure in villagers. I
                              doubt very much the use of chemicals as the cause of these diseases . Though
                              the scientific community is meek in declaring this , due to the funding they
                              receive from corporates , I am still of this view. I may be wrong .

                              As Fukuoka rightly said , natural farming is just a part of natural living.
                              So long mankind does not return to nature , there is going to be no better
                              future. Whenever I try to trace the root cause of human suffering , I can
                              not but think of Fukuoka and his genius. But , as the world is moving in a
                              frenetic pace for more , more , more and more , I see no end to human
                              misery. I may be wrong but it just occurred to me.

                              On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:

                              > **
                              >
                              >
                              > I agree, the mail is rather poorly written but I think it signifies the
                              > haste/ panic this person seems to be in. I have read some and seen some
                              > movies on the net and what this guy is saying is right. The food industry in
                              > the US has become an all powerful monster and if we do not watch it is
                              > knocking on your door next. The kind of laws they have managed to enact is
                              > frightening. And it does mean helping farmers by doing something about it.
                              >
                              > see the movie "food inc" on You tube. Natural farming is the biggest enemy
                              > these corporates have and they will do whatever it takes to stamp it out.
                              >
                              >
                              > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                              >
                              > Warm regards,
                              >
                              > Sumant Joshi
                              > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                              >
                              > >________________________________
                              > >From: Travellingatthespeedofthought <zacworldwide@...>
                              > >To: "fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com" <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                              > >Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 7:56 AM
                              > >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                              >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >I think we should be more careful with what is posted in this group.  This
                              > "news" is incredibly poorly written and full of a lot of "mis-information".
                              > As we all know, you can not just believe everything which is posted on the
                              > internet.  Let's stay away from anything to do with big business or
                              > politics.  Let's not support anything except each other and other farmers in
                              > the communities we live in.
                              > >
                              > >Do we have a moderator?
                              > >
                              > >Zac
                              > >Canada/Nepal
                              > >
                              > >________________________________
                              > >From: Willow Morningsky <WillowMorningSky@...>
                              > >To: willowmorningsky@...
                              > >Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 11:07 PM
                              > >Subject: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                              > >
                              > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/
                              > >
                              > >Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                              > >Posted by:      "kristl"
                              > >Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm        (PDT) On my list of things to do tomorrow:
                              > Join FCLDF
                              > >Thanks,
                              > >Kristina (in GA)
                              > >-----Original Message-----
                              > >From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
                              > >Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011
                              > >To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
                              > >Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                              > >
                              > >ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES
                              > >
                              > >RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
                              > >the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail  with
                              > $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
                              > >and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.
                              > >
                              > >Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
                              > >tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
                              > >advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to
                              > join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.
                              > >
                              > >Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
                              > >Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
                              > >Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
                              > >says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
                              > >session.
                              > >
                              > >ACTION TO TAKE
                              > >The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the
                              > case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments
                              > actions, call 213-974-3512.
                              > >
                              > >Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA,
                              > KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.
                              > >
                              > >Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!!  Willow
                              > >
                              > >TALKING POINTS
                              > >Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
                              > >--Infringement of private property rights
                              > >--Misuse of state resources
                              > >--Denying citizens freedom of food choice
                              > >
                              > >Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
                              > >lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
                              > >in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
                              > >milk.
                              > >
                              > >See our publicists blog about the original raid:
                              > >http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel- on-food-police-
                              > and-rawesome- raid/
                              > >
                              > >BACKGROUND
                              > >Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:
                              > >
                              > >News for October 22, 2010
                              > >Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of
                              > local, state and federal law enforcement
                              > >
                              > >On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
                              > >even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
                              > >and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
                              > >California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
                              > >stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
                              > >of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
                              > >finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
                              > >property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid
                              > >
                              > >News for July 4, 2010
                              > >What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?
                              > >
                              > >This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
                              > >raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
                              > >my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
                              > >high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
                              > >opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
                              > >raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
                              > >unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
                              > >among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
                              > >human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
                              > >not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
                              > >foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
                              > >For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
                              > >milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
                              > >years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
                              > >foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
                              > >without a license.
                              > >
                              > >In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
                              > >detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
                              > >unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
                              > >annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
                              > >shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
                              > >sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
                              > >any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
                              > >better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
                              > >favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
                              > >has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
                              > >license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
                              > >club.
                              > >
                              > >Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
                              > >Weston A Price Foundation
                              > >703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org
                              > >
                              > >Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
                              > >310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com
                              > >
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                              > >
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                            • Ruthie Aquino
                              Dear Yaj, Booze says farmers are at the root of the problem and you say farmers are not the root cause. You are both right. There are small farmers and there
                              Message 14 of 24 , Aug 7, 2011
                                Dear Yaj,
                                Booze says farmers are at the root of the problem and you say farmers are
                                not the root cause.
                                You are both right.
                                There are small farmers and there are big farmers.
                                I mentioned this in the group already once, that here in France the biggest
                                enemies of nature are the big farmers whose aim is not farming but earning.
                                They might very much as well have gone into selling cars.
                                The enemy of natural farming is consumerism and speculation.
                                No demand, no offer. No stock exchange no artificial pricing.
                                We all want to have nice things, and we all want to earn more. Seems
                                natural enough. Up to a certain point.
                                It has become a conscious effort to simplify and downsize. I'm trying in my
                                own small way to live more simply. If we stop purchasing more and more
                                modern tractors maybe they'll stop building them. Yeah...wishful
                                thinking...
                                I apologize in advance to the really miserable people who are not included
                                in what I'm talking about. I am not asking truly poor people to try to live
                                even poorer. I am wishing for a decent life for one and all. I think
                                Fukuoka-san showed us one way to achieve it. He talked about the evils of
                                land speculation, urban zoning, and other things that mar the well-being of
                                man. He was down-to-earth.

                                best
                                RUTHIE

                                .2011/8/7 yajnesh shetty <yajnesh@...>

                                > **
                                >
                                >
                                > The government of India is the largest producer of fertilizers and
                                > pesticides (in India)and
                                >
                                > spends crores of rupees every year to advertise its wares.It uses its
                                > administrative machinery
                                >
                                > to popularise chemical farming and floats schemes and subsidies and
                                > incentives to entice
                                >
                                > poor farmers to indulge in these practices.
                                > The farmers depend on farming as their sole means of livelihood and
                                > providing for their
                                >
                                > children so when the government promises them bumper crops and prosperity
                                > they believe
                                >
                                > them.What is wrong in trying earn more for yourself and your dependents?
                                > They do not have
                                >
                                > the luxury of having other means of income and on an empty stomach
                                > principles take a
                                >
                                > backseat. By the time they realise their mistake they are trapped in a
                                > cycle of debt and
                                >
                                > dependance and they no longer have the means nor the courage to break out
                                > of it since
                                >
                                > everyone around including the agricultural scientist and the government
                                > tell them the
                                >
                                > chemical farming mantra is the only way.
                                > They are the biggest victims of this deep rooted conspiracy and as we see
                                > daily they are
                                >
                                > literally paying for it with their lives. I think it is an
                                > oversimplification and unfair to say they
                                >
                                > are the root cause for what is happening.
                                > Just my 2 cents worth.
                                >
                                > Regards,
                                >
                                > Yaj.
                                >
                                > ________________________________
                                > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                >
                                > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 7:07 PM
                                >
                                > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                >
                                > Sumant !
                                >
                                > Natural farming has become the enemy of corporate giants because it frees
                                > the farmers from the clutches of multinationals .
                                >
                                > But if you go to the root of the problem , it is the farmers who are to be
                                > blamed. Their greed to get more and more from land , considering land as a
                                > machine of grain production , treating insects and weeds as enemies ,
                                > trying
                                > to convert the land as a money making machine - all led to this present day
                                > scenario. And in their greed , generations have forgotten about the natural
                                > ways of farming . Whenever I meet any new farmers and ask about how people
                                > used to get bumper crops some 100 years ago without using any kind of
                                > chemicals , they simply blink and don't have the answers . And people of
                                > the
                                > past were stronger than the present day villagers who still get cleaner air
                                > , water and good physical work than their city counterparts . And the
                                > health
                                > of the present day villagers is no more better than that of their city
                                > dwelling counterparts as I can see rampant cases of diabetes , heart
                                > ailments , cancer , premature deaths and high blood pressure in villagers.
                                > I
                                > doubt very much the use of chemicals as the cause of these diseases .
                                > Though
                                > the scientific community is meek in declaring this , due to the funding
                                > they
                                > receive from corporates , I am still of this view. I may be wrong .
                                >
                                > As Fukuoka rightly said , natural farming is just a part of natural living.
                                > So long mankind does not return to nature , there is going to be no better
                                > future. Whenever I try to trace the root cause of human suffering , I can
                                > not but think of Fukuoka and his genius. But , as the world is moving in a
                                > frenetic pace for more , more , more and more , I see no end to human
                                > misery. I may be wrong but it just occurred to me.
                                >
                                > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > > **
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > I agree, the mail is rather poorly written but I think it signifies the
                                > > haste/ panic this person seems to be in. I have read some and seen some
                                > > movies on the net and what this guy is saying is right. The food industry
                                > in
                                > > the US has become an all powerful monster and if we do not watch it is
                                > > knocking on your door next. The kind of laws they have managed to enact
                                > is
                                > > frightening. And it does mean helping farmers by doing something about
                                > it.
                                > >
                                > > see the movie "food inc" on You tube. Natural farming is the biggest
                                > enemy
                                > > these corporates have and they will do whatever it takes to stamp it out.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                > >
                                > > Warm regards,
                                > >
                                > > Sumant Joshi
                                > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                > >
                                > > >________________________________
                                > > >From: Travellingatthespeedofthought <zacworldwide@...>
                                > > >To: "fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com" <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > >Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 7:56 AM
                                > > >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >I think we should be more careful with what is posted in this group.
                                > This
                                > > "news" is incredibly poorly written and full of a lot of
                                > "mis-information".
                                > > As we all know, you can not just believe everything which is posted on
                                > the
                                > > internet. Let's stay away from anything to do with big business or
                                > > politics. Let's not support anything except each other and other farmers
                                > in
                                > > the communities we live in.
                                > > >
                                > > >Do we have a moderator?
                                > > >
                                > > >Zac
                                > > >Canada/Nepal
                                > > >
                                > > >________________________________
                                > > >From: Willow Morningsky <WillowMorningSky@...>
                                > > >To: willowmorningsky@...
                                > > >Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 11:07 PM
                                > > >Subject: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                > > >
                                > > >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/
                                > > >
                                > > >Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                                > > >Posted by: "kristl"
                                > > >Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm (PDT) On my list of things to do
                                > tomorrow:
                                > > Join FCLDF
                                > > >Thanks,
                                > > >Kristina (in GA)
                                > > >-----Original Message-----
                                > > >From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
                                > > >Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011
                                > > >To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
                                > > >Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                                > > >
                                > > >ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES
                                > > >
                                > > >RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
                                > > >the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail
                                > with
                                > > $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
                                > > >and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.
                                > > >
                                > > >Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
                                > > >tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
                                > > >advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to
                                > > join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.
                                > > >
                                > > >Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
                                > > >Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
                                > > >Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
                                > > >says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
                                > > >session.
                                > > >
                                > > >ACTION TO TAKE
                                > > >The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the
                                > > case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments
                                > > actions, call 213-974-3512.
                                > > >
                                > > >Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA,
                                > > KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.
                                > > >
                                > > >Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!! Willow
                                > > >
                                > > >TALKING POINTS
                                > > >Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
                                > > >--Infringement of private property rights
                                > > >--Misuse of state resources
                                > > >--Denying citizens freedom of food choice
                                > > >
                                > > >Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
                                > > >lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
                                > > >in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
                                > > >milk.
                                > > >
                                > > >See our publicists blog about the original raid:
                                > > >http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel-
                                > on-food-police-
                                > > and-rawesome- raid/
                                > > >
                                > > >BACKGROUND
                                > > >Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:
                                > > >
                                > > >News for October 22, 2010
                                > > >Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of
                                > > local, state and federal law enforcement
                                > > >
                                > > >On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
                                > > >even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
                                > > >and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
                                > > >California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
                                > > >stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
                                > > >of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
                                > > >finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
                                > > >property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid
                                > > >
                                > > >News for July 4, 2010
                                > > >What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?
                                > > >
                                > > >This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
                                > > >raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
                                > > >my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
                                > > >high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
                                > > >opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
                                > > >raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
                                > > >unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
                                > > >among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
                                > > >human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
                                > > >not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
                                > > >foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
                                > > >For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
                                > > >milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
                                > > >years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
                                > > >foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
                                > > >without a license.
                                > > >
                                > > >In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
                                > > >detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
                                > > >unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
                                > > >annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
                                > > >shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
                                > > >sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
                                > > >any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
                                > > >better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
                                > > >favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
                                > > >has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
                                > > >license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
                                > > >club.
                                > > >
                                > > >Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
                                > > >Weston A Price Foundation
                                > > >703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org
                                > > >
                                > > >Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
                                > > >310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com
                                > > >
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                              • Ruthie Aquino
                                In the interest of truth I must add to the above that just a little over a hundred kilometers north of where I live, in the port of Bordeaux, reigned one of
                                Message 15 of 24 , Aug 7, 2011
                                  In the interest of truth I must add to the above that just a little over a
                                  hundred kilometers north of where I live, in the port of Bordeaux, reigned
                                  one of the biggest slave trades in Europe, for export to North America.
                                  Some slaves came from the West Indies, others came from Africa.

                                  best
                                  RUTHIE

                                  2011/8/7 Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>

                                  > Agriculture is dependent on culture, Booze, I agree with you that two
                                  > different cultures can't have the same agriculture.
                                  > The French have a looong history, while the USA is a relatively young
                                  > federation. Americans are pragmatic : those who were on the Mayflower left
                                  > old Europe for a new life somewhere very far away where frontiers could
                                  > still be conquered. It is a mindset. Old Europe has deeply-rooted customs
                                  > and traditions. As to the US, there was an attempt in their history to
                                  > exterminate their very own native American Indians. France has a history of
                                  > colonialism, while the US has a history of slavery and expansionism. We see
                                  > here two very different life stories. It is not good for one nation to
                                  > impose their will or way of life on another. Let old Europe be, and let
                                  > America be. The rest is protectionism and politicizing. For me diversity
                                  > is not a problem. It is intolerance that is the problem.
                                  > You are not a zero but a hero.
                                  > best
                                  > RUTHIE
                                  >
                                  > 2011/8/6 Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                  >
                                  >> **
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> This kind of arm twisting methods of govt agencies at the behest or
                                  >> corporate multinationals is deploarable . Already Indian farmers are
                                  >> against
                                  >> such moves in the face of introduction of GM seeds BT cotton and chemical
                                  >> inputs like Endosulfan.
                                  >>
                                  >> Ruthie ! As far I know France and USA don't go hand in hand well , at
                                  >> least
                                  >> in agriculture and subsidies . That may be because of the French mindset
                                  >> which craves for freedom. I may be wrong due to my low level international
                                  >> political knowledge but it just occured to me. Sorry if I am wrong.
                                  >>
                                  >> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>wrote:
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> > Yes Sumant you are right I was over-reacting.
                                  >> > It is because in this group I appreciate the peace and quiet...
                                  >> >
                                  >> > best
                                  >> > RUTHIE
                                  >>
                                  >> > Boovarahan S
                                  >> >
                                  >> Chennai.
                                  >> 09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
                                  >>
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                                • fujiinn
                                  This is a little bit offtopic: corporatism is not capitalism, it s fascism. Take a look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism.
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Aug 7, 2011
                                    This is a little bit offtopic: corporatism is not capitalism, it's fascism. Take a look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism.

                                    --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Agriculture is dependent on culture, Booze, I agree with you that two
                                    > different cultures can't have the same agriculture.
                                    > The French have a looong history, while the USA is a relatively young
                                    > federation. Americans are pragmatic : those who were on the Mayflower left
                                    > old Europe for a new life somewhere very far away where frontiers could
                                    > still be conquered. It is a mindset. Old Europe has deeply-rooted customs
                                    > and traditions. As to the US, there was an attempt in their history to
                                    > exterminate their very own native American Indians. France has a history of
                                    > colonialism, while the US has a history of slavery and expansionism. We see
                                    > here two very different life stories. It is not good for one nation to
                                    > impose their will or way of life on another. Let old Europe be, and let
                                    > America be. The rest is protectionism and politicizing. For me diversity
                                    > is not a problem. It is intolerance that is the problem.
                                    > You are not a zero but a hero.
                                    > best
                                    > RUTHIE
                                    >
                                    > 2011/8/6 Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                    >
                                    > > **
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > This kind of arm twisting methods of govt agencies at the behest or
                                    > > corporate multinationals is deploarable . Already Indian farmers are
                                    > > against
                                    > > such moves in the face of introduction of GM seeds BT cotton and chemical
                                    > > inputs like Endosulfan.
                                    > >
                                    > > Ruthie ! As far I know France and USA don't go hand in hand well , at least
                                    > > in agriculture and subsidies . That may be because of the French mindset
                                    > > which craves for freedom. I may be wrong due to my low level international
                                    > > political knowledge but it just occured to me. Sorry if I am wrong.
                                    > >
                                    > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > > Yes Sumant you are right I was over-reacting.
                                    > > > It is because in this group I appreciate the peace and quiet...
                                    > > >
                                    > > > best
                                    > > > RUTHIE
                                    > >
                                    > > > Boovarahan S
                                    > > >
                                    > > Chennai.
                                    > > 09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
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                                  • Sumant Joshi
                                    Aha!! now we come back to the original and controversial problem. Why do these farmers need more land? to produce more food? obviously to feed a growing
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Aug 8, 2011
                                      Aha!! now we come back to the original and controversial problem. Why do these farmers need more land? to produce more food? obviously to feed a growing population. If there was no market for their produce, why would they bother to grow more?
                                      But then the government is also enticing them to make more profits, whereas actually it is the corporates and middlemen who are making the profits. The chemical fertilizer and pesticide companies and the traders. The scientific community has no reason to promote NF, it will kill their jobs won't it?
                                       



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                                      Warm regards,

                                      Sumant Joshi
                                      Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161



                                      >________________________________
                                      >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                      >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                      >Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2011 7:07 PM
                                      >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                      >
                                      >Sumant !
                                      >
                                      >Natural farming has become the enemy of corporate giants because it frees
                                      >the farmers from the clutches of multinationals .
                                      >
                                      >But if you go to the root of the problem , it is the farmers who are to be
                                      >blamed. Their greed to get more and more from land , considering land as a
                                      >machine of grain production , treating insects and weeds as enemies , trying
                                      >to convert the land as a money making machine - all led to this present day
                                      >scenario. And in their greed , generations have forgotten about the natural
                                      >ways of farming . Whenever I meet any new farmers and ask about how people
                                      >used to get bumper crops some 100 years ago without using any kind of
                                      >chemicals , they simply blink and don't have the answers . And people of the
                                      >past were stronger than the present day villagers who still get cleaner air
                                      >, water and good physical work than their city counterparts . And the health
                                      >of the present day villagers is no more better than that of their city
                                      >dwelling counterparts as I can see rampant cases of diabetes , heart
                                      >ailments , cancer , premature deaths and high blood pressure in villagers. I
                                      >doubt very much the use of chemicals as the cause of these diseases . Though
                                      >the scientific community is meek in declaring this , due to the funding they
                                      >receive from corporates , I am still of this view. I may be wrong .
                                      >
                                      >As Fukuoka rightly said , natural farming is just a part of natural living.
                                      >So long mankind does not return to nature , there is going to be no better
                                      >future. Whenever I try to trace the root cause of human suffering , I can
                                      >not but think of Fukuoka and his genius. But , as the world is moving in a
                                      >frenetic pace for more , more , more and more , I see no end to human
                                      >misery. I may be wrong but it just occurred to me.
                                      >
                                      >On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      >> **
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> I agree, the mail is rather poorly written but I think it signifies the
                                      >> haste/ panic this person seems to be in. I have read some and seen some
                                      >> movies on the net and what this guy is saying is right. The food industry in
                                      >> the US has become an all powerful monster and if we do not watch it is
                                      >> knocking on your door next. The kind of laws they have managed to enact is
                                      >> frightening. And it does mean helping farmers by doing something about it.
                                      >>
                                      >> see the movie "food inc" on You tube. Natural farming is the biggest enemy
                                      >> these corporates have and they will do whatever it takes to stamp it out.
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                      >>
                                      >> Warm regards,
                                      >>
                                      >> Sumant Joshi
                                      >> Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                      >>
                                      >> >________________________________
                                      >> >From: Travellingatthespeedofthought <zacworldwide@...>
                                      >> >To: "fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com" <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
                                      >> >Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 7:56 AM
                                      >> >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                      >>
                                      >> >
                                      >> >
                                      >> >
                                      >> >I think we should be more careful with what is posted in this group.  This
                                      >> "news" is incredibly poorly written and full of a lot of "mis-information".
                                      >> As we all know, you can not just believe everything which is posted on the
                                      >> internet.  Let's stay away from anything to do with big business or
                                      >> politics.  Let's not support anything except each other and other farmers in
                                      >> the communities we live in.
                                      >> >
                                      >> >Do we have a moderator?
                                      >> >
                                      >> >Zac
                                      >> >Canada/Nepal
                                      >> >
                                      >> >________________________________
                                      >> >From: Willow Morningsky <WillowMorningSky@...>
                                      >> >To: willowmorningsky@...
                                      >> >Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 11:07 PM
                                      >> >Subject: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                      >> >
                                      >> >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sprg/
                                      >> >
                                      >> >Fw: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                                      >> >Posted by:      "kristl"
                                      >> >Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:22 pm        (PDT) On my list of things to do tomorrow:
                                      >> Join FCLDF
                                      >> >Thanks,
                                      >> >Kristina (in GA)
                                      >> >-----Original Message-----
                                      >> >From: "Weston A. Price Foundation" <info@...>
                                      >> >Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011
                                      >> >To: <kristlclay@bellsout h.net>
                                      >> >Subject: Food Buying Club Raid in Los Angeles
                                      >> >
                                      >> >ACTION ALERT: FOOD BUYING CLUB RAID IN LOS ANGELES
                                      >> >
                                      >> >RAWESOME Raw Food Buying Club in Venice Beach, California was raided for
                                      >> >the second time today and James Stewart, club organizer, is in jail  with
                                      >> $123K bond set. Victoria Bloch, a Weston A. Price chapter leader,
                                      >> >and farmer Sharon Palmer were also arrested.
                                      >> >
                                      >> >Mark McAfee ofOrganic Pastures Dairy is organizing a protest rally
                                      >> >tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. at the courthouse where the raw milk
                                      >> >advocates are to be arraigned. Southern California citizens are urged to
                                      >> join Mark McAfee and food blogger Ann Marie Michaels.
                                      >> >
                                      >> >Arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow in Department 30, Los Angeles
                                      >> >Superior Court, fifth floor, Criminal Justice Center, 210 W. Temple St.,
                                      >> >Los Angeles. Court opens at 8:30 a.m. The district attorneys office
                                      >> >says it is likely they are to go before the judge during the morning
                                      >> >session.
                                      >> >
                                      >> >ACTION TO TAKE
                                      >> >The office of the L.A. District attorney is fielding calls regarding the
                                      >> case. For more information, or to express concern about the governments
                                      >> actions, call 213-974-3512.
                                      >> >
                                      >> >Also please call the Los Angeles television stations - KCBS, KNBC, KTLA,
                                      >> KABC - and ask them to cover the protest rally.
                                      >> >
                                      >> >Spread this as far and wide as you are able!!!!  Willow
                                      >> >
                                      >> >TALKING POINTS
                                      >> >Talking Points for speaking with elected official about this issue:
                                      >> >--Infringement of private property rights
                                      >> >--Misuse of state resources
                                      >> >--Denying citizens freedom of food choice
                                      >> >
                                      >> >Ask your representatives in Congress to co-sponsor the Ron Paul bill
                                      >> >lifting the ban on raw milk in interstate commerce; while not a factor
                                      >> >in this case, it sends an important message about citizen access to raw
                                      >> >milk.
                                      >> >
                                      >> >See our publicists blog about the original raid:
                                      >> >http://hartkeisonli ne.com/food- politics/ john-stossel- on-food-police-
                                      >> and-rawesome- raid/
                                      >> >
                                      >> >BACKGROUND
                                      >> >Background on the case from Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website:
                                      >> >
                                      >> >News for October 22, 2010
                                      >> >Rawesome Foods raw milk co-op raid conducted by criminal elements of
                                      >> local, state and federal law enforcement
                                      >> >
                                      >> >On June 30, 2010, a group of armed agents from local, state, federal and
                                      >> >even the Canadian government illegally trespassed on private property
                                      >> >and raided Rawesome Foods, a private food buying club in Venice,
                                      >> >California. With guns drawn, these agents tore through the property
                                      >> >stealing computers, raw dairy products and honey, all while holding some
                                      >> >of the volunteer workers hostage for several hours. When the agents
                                      >> >finally left, they took with them thousands of dollars in private
                                      >> >property as well as the surveillance footage of their armed raid
                                      >> >
                                      >> >News for July 4, 2010
                                      >> >What's the FBI Doing in My Milk?
                                      >> >
                                      >> >This past Wednesday, June 30th, the FBI in conjunction with the FDA
                                      >> >raided Rawsome, a private membership food-buying club that has supplied
                                      >> >my home and much of the Venice and Santa Monica community with super
                                      >> >high-quality nutrient-dense foods for the past decade. The club, which
                                      >> >opens on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, is extremely popular among
                                      >> >raw-foodists and other citizens who choose to eat foods which are
                                      >> >unprocessed and "as natural and organic as possible." The general belief
                                      >> >among this group is that these fresh foods are much better for the
                                      >> >human body than pasteurized, irradiated, processed foods. The FDA does
                                      >> >not share this opinion and has expressed its concern that many of these
                                      >> >foods will be dangerous precisely because they are raw and untreated.
                                      >> >For example, the FDA has expressed concerns about drinking unpasteurized
                                      >> >milk products, which I have personally been drinking (and loving) for
                                      >> >years. The FDA has now passed regulations against selling various raw
                                      >> >foods, hence the need for a private club, which legally can operate
                                      >> >without a license.
                                      >> >
                                      >> >In order to shop at Rawsome, one must first read and sign a document
                                      >> >detailing the alleged dangers of consuming natural, unprocessed and
                                      >> >unpasteurized food products. Once signed, a would-be patron will pay an
                                      >> >annual membership fee to gain the right to shop at the club. The
                                      >> >shopping experience is reasonably run of the mill. Many of the foods
                                      >> >sold at Rawsome - fruits, vegetables, nuts - can also be found at most
                                      >> >any other market. The difference at Rawsome is that the quality is often
                                      >> >better as is the possibility of finding heirloom varieties of one's
                                      >> >favorite produce. Regardless, a raid was conducted yesterday and Rawsome
                                      >> >has been shut down allegedly for operating without a license - a
                                      >> >license that is not legally required for them to operate their private
                                      >> >club.
                                      >> >
                                      >> >Media Contact: Kimberly Hartke, publicist
                                      >> >Weston A Price Foundation
                                      >> >703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557, press@westonaprice. org
                                      >> >
                                      >> >Ann Marie Michaels, Los Angeles rally media contact
                                      >> >310-482-9643, annmarie@realfoodme dia.com
                                      >> >
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                                      >> >
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                                      >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >--
                                      >Boovarahan S
                                      >Chennai.
                                      >09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
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                                    • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                                      Oh ! The more you produce , the less price you get as per demand supply theory. Better grow less and make a demand [?] Am I right Sumant ? ... Chennai.
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Aug 8, 2011
                                        Oh !

                                        The more you produce , the less price you get as per demand supply theory.

                                        Better grow less and make a demand [?]

                                        Am I right Sumant ?


                                        On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:

                                        > **
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Aha!! now we come back to the original and controversial problem. Why do
                                        > these farmers need more land? to produce more food? obviously to feed a
                                        > growing population. If there was no market for their produce, why would they
                                        > bother to grow more?
                                        > But then the government is also enticing them to make more profits, whereas
                                        > actually it is the corporates and middlemen who are making the profits. The
                                        > chemical fertilizer and pesticide companies and the traders. The scientific
                                        > community has no reason to promote NF, it will kill their jobs won't it?
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                        >
                                        > Warm regards,
                                        >
                                        > Sumant Joshi
                                        > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                        >
                                        > >________________________________
                                        > >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                        >
                                        > >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                        > >Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2011 7:07 PM
                                        >




                                        > Boovarahan S
                                        >
                                        Chennai.
                                        09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)


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                                      • Sumant Joshi
                                        ... Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone Warm regards, Sumant Joshi Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161 ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Aug 8, 2011
                                          :)) you mean grow less population? 



                                          Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone


                                          Warm regards,

                                          Sumant Joshi
                                          Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161



                                          >________________________________
                                          >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                          >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                          >Sent: Monday, 8 August 2011 10:13 PM
                                          >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                          >
                                          >

                                          >Oh !
                                          >
                                          >The more you produce , the less price you get as per demand supply theory.
                                          >
                                          >Better grow less and make a demand [?]
                                          >
                                          >Am I right Sumant ?
                                          >
                                          >On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          >> **
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> Aha!! now we come back to the original and controversial problem. Why do
                                          >> these farmers need more land? to produce more food? obviously to feed a
                                          >> growing population. If there was no market for their produce, why would they
                                          >> bother to grow more?
                                          >> But then the government is also enticing them to make more profits, whereas
                                          >> actually it is the corporates and middlemen who are making the profits. The
                                          >> chemical fertilizer and pesticide companies and the traders. The scientific
                                          >> community has no reason to promote NF, it will kill their jobs won't it?
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                          >>
                                          >> Warm regards,
                                          >>
                                          >> Sumant Joshi
                                          >> Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                          >>
                                          >> >________________________________
                                          >> >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                          >>
                                          >> >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                          >> >Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2011 7:07 PM
                                          >>
                                          >
                                          >> Boovarahan S
                                          >>
                                          >Chennai.
                                          >09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
                                          >
                                          >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >

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                                        • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                                          Less grains , more demand but the people are the sufferers. The govts. twist the arms of the farmers asking them to use chemicals and use the higher growth
                                          Message 20 of 24 , Aug 8, 2011
                                            Less grains , more demand but the people are the sufferers.
                                            The govts. twist the arms of the farmers asking them to use chemicals and
                                            use the higher growth rate as bait. Once into the vicious circle of
                                            chemicals , farmers find no way out. Add to this the burden of loans
                                            extended by banks . It's all a conspiracy.

                                            On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:

                                            > **
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > :)) you mean grow less population?
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                            >
                                            > Warm regards,
                                            >
                                            > Sumant Joshi
                                            > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                            >


                                            > Boovarahan S
                                            >
                                            Chennai.
                                            09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)


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                                          • Ruthie Aquino
                                            Hi Sumant, What s this obsession of yours with population growth hahaha? I think it s a First World thing so Third world people stop procreating because
                                            Message 21 of 24 , Aug 9, 2011
                                              Hi Sumant,
                                              What's this obsession of yours with population growth hahaha?
                                              I think it's a First World thing so Third world people stop procreating
                                              because otherwise there would be less to go around for First World people.
                                              I think First World people should be exhorted to be less greedy, slow down
                                              the hi-tech race, and eat less. They're getting obese and blas�.
                                              I was once harshly criticized for using the term Third World as being
                                              disparaging. Sorry I am not a person to belittle countries that are in the
                                              course of economic development and are trying to catch up with developed
                                              countries.
                                              To cheer up this exchange hehehe attached is a picture of my First World
                                              harvest from a very small patch-- unlike yours-- using Third World farming.
                                              It's a heavy file, I see now, because I was too lazy to downsize....If you
                                              can't open it I'll try to send a reduced one.
                                              best
                                              RUTHIE

                                              2011/8/9 Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...>

                                              > **
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > :)) you mean grow less population?
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                              >
                                              > Warm regards,
                                              >
                                              > Sumant Joshi
                                              > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                              >
                                              > >________________________________
                                              > >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                              > >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                              > >Sent: Monday, 8 August 2011 10:13 PM
                                              >
                                              > >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >Oh !
                                              > >
                                              > >The more you produce , the less price you get as per demand supply theory.
                                              > >
                                              > >Better grow less and make a demand [?]
                                              > >
                                              > >Am I right Sumant ?
                                              > >
                                              > >On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > >> **
                                              > >>
                                              > >>
                                              > >> Aha!! now we come back to the original and controversial problem. Why do
                                              > >> these farmers need more land? to produce more food? obviously to feed a
                                              > >> growing population. If there was no market for their produce, why would
                                              > they
                                              > >> bother to grow more?
                                              > >> But then the government is also enticing them to make more profits,
                                              > whereas
                                              > >> actually it is the corporates and middlemen who are making the profits.
                                              > The
                                              > >> chemical fertilizer and pesticide companies and the traders. The
                                              > scientific
                                              > >> community has no reason to promote NF, it will kill their jobs won't it?
                                              > >>
                                              > >>
                                              > >>
                                              > >> Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                              > >>
                                              > >> Warm regards,
                                              > >>
                                              > >> Sumant Joshi
                                              > >> Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                              > >>
                                              > >> >________________________________
                                              > >> >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                              > >>
                                              > >> >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                              > >> >Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2011 7:07 PM
                                              > >>
                                              > >
                                              > >> Boovarahan S
                                              > >>
                                              > >Chennai.
                                              > >09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
                                              > >
                                              > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
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                                            • Sumant Joshi
                                              You know Ruthie, this population logic falls flat on it s face when I am confronted with facts like, the US population is 4% of the world s total and consumes
                                              Message 22 of 24 , Aug 9, 2011
                                                You know Ruthie, this population logic falls flat on it's face when I am confronted with facts like, the US population is 4% of the world's total and consumes 25% of natural resources. So I guess you are right about developed countries being greedy. But fortunately, some countries in Europe are waking up fast.
                                                But blaming others is one way of looking at things. I also have to see what I can do. Remember "the power principle" ??



                                                Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone


                                                Warm regards,

                                                Sumant Joshi
                                                Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161



                                                >________________________________
                                                >From: Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>
                                                >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                                >Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2011 1:48 PM
                                                >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                                >
                                                >Hi Sumant,
                                                >What's this obsession of yours with population growth hahaha?
                                                >I think it's a First World thing so Third world people stop procreating
                                                >because otherwise there would be less to go around for First World people.
                                                >I think First World people should be exhorted to be less greedy, slow down
                                                >the hi-tech race, and eat less.  They're getting obese and blasé.
                                                >I was once harshly criticized for using the term Third World as being
                                                >disparaging.  Sorry I am not a person to belittle countries that are in the
                                                >course of economic development and are trying to catch up with developed
                                                >countries.
                                                >To cheer up this exchange hehehe attached is a picture of my First World
                                                >harvest from a very small patch-- unlike yours-- using Third World farming.
                                                >It's a heavy file, I see now, because I was too lazy to downsize....If you
                                                >can't open it I'll try to send a reduced one.
                                                >best
                                                >RUTHIE
                                                >
                                                >2011/8/9 Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...>
                                                >
                                                >> **
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >> :)) you mean grow less population?
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >> Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                                >>
                                                >> Warm regards,
                                                >>
                                                >> Sumant Joshi
                                                >> Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                                >>
                                                >> >________________________________
                                                >> >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                                >> >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                                >> >Sent: Monday, 8 August 2011 10:13 PM
                                                >>
                                                >> >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                                >> >
                                                >> >
                                                >> >
                                                >>  >Oh !
                                                >> >
                                                >> >The more you produce , the less price you get as per demand supply theory.
                                                >> >
                                                >> >Better grow less and make a demand [?]
                                                >> >
                                                >> >Am I right Sumant ?
                                                >> >
                                                >> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:
                                                >> >
                                                >> >> **
                                                >> >>
                                                >> >>
                                                >> >> Aha!! now we come back to the original and controversial problem. Why do
                                                >> >> these farmers need more land? to produce more food? obviously to feed a
                                                >> >> growing population. If there was no market for their produce, why would
                                                >> they
                                                >> >> bother to grow more?
                                                >> >> But then the government is also enticing them to make more profits,
                                                >> whereas
                                                >> >> actually it is the corporates and middlemen who are making the profits.
                                                >> The
                                                >> >> chemical fertilizer and pesticide companies and the traders. The
                                                >> scientific
                                                >> >> community has no reason to promote NF, it will kill their jobs won't it?
                                                >> >>
                                                >> >>
                                                >> >>
                                                >> >> Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                                >> >>
                                                >> >> Warm regards,
                                                >> >>
                                                >> >> Sumant Joshi
                                                >> >> Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                                >> >>
                                                >> >> >________________________________
                                                >> >> >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                                >> >>
                                                >> >> >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
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                                                Sorry I do not know the power principle oops hehe Well in this group we have already started doing things for our world...I guess... RUTHIE 2011/8/9 Sumant
                                                Message 23 of 24 , Aug 9, 2011
                                                  Sorry I do not know the power principle oops hehe
                                                  Well in this group we have already started doing things for our world...I
                                                  guess...

                                                  RUTHIE

                                                  2011/8/9 Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...>

                                                  > **
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > You know Ruthie, this population logic falls flat on it's face when I am
                                                  > confronted with facts like, the US population is 4% of the world's total and
                                                  > consumes 25% of natural resources. So I guess you are right about developed
                                                  > countries being greedy. But fortunately, some countries in Europe are waking
                                                  > up fast.
                                                  > But blaming others is one way of looking at things. I also have to see what
                                                  > I can do. Remember "the power principle" ??
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                                  >
                                                  > Warm regards,
                                                  >
                                                  > Sumant Joshi
                                                  > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                                  >
                                                  > >________________________________
                                                  > >From: Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>
                                                  >
                                                  > >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > >Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2011 1:48 PM
                                                  >
                                                  > >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                                  > >
                                                  > >Hi Sumant,
                                                  > >What's this obsession of yours with population growth hahaha?
                                                  > >I think it's a First World thing so Third world people stop procreating
                                                  > >because otherwise there would be less to go around for First World people.
                                                  > >I think First World people should be exhorted to be less greedy, slow down
                                                  > >the hi-tech race, and eat less. They're getting obese and blas�.
                                                  > >I was once harshly criticized for using the term Third World as being
                                                  > >disparaging. Sorry I am not a person to belittle countries that are in
                                                  > the
                                                  > >course of economic development and are trying to catch up with developed
                                                  > >countries.
                                                  > >To cheer up this exchange hehehe attached is a picture of my First World
                                                  > >harvest from a very small patch-- unlike yours-- using Third World
                                                  > farming.
                                                  > >It's a heavy file, I see now, because I was too lazy to downsize....If you
                                                  > >can't open it I'll try to send a reduced one.
                                                  > >best
                                                  > >RUTHIE
                                                  > >
                                                  > >2011/8/9 Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...>
                                                  > >
                                                  > >> **
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >> :)) you mean grow less population?
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >> Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >> Warm regards,
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >> Sumant Joshi
                                                  > >> Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >> >________________________________
                                                  > >> >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                                  > >> >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > >> >Sent: Monday, 8 August 2011 10:13 PM
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >> >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                                  > >> >
                                                  > >> >
                                                  > >> >
                                                  > >> >Oh !
                                                  > >> >
                                                  > >> >The more you produce , the less price you get as per demand supply
                                                  > theory.
                                                  > >> >
                                                  > >> >Better grow less and make a demand [?]
                                                  > >> >
                                                  > >> >Am I right Sumant ?
                                                  > >> >
                                                  > >> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...>
                                                  > wrote:
                                                  > >> >
                                                  > >> >> **
                                                  > >> >>
                                                  > >> >>
                                                  > >> >> Aha!! now we come back to the original and controversial problem. Why
                                                  > do
                                                  > >> >> these farmers need more land? to produce more food? obviously to feed
                                                  > a
                                                  > >> >> growing population. If there was no market for their produce, why
                                                  > would
                                                  > >> they
                                                  > >> >> bother to grow more?
                                                  > >> >> But then the government is also enticing them to make more profits,
                                                  > >> whereas
                                                  > >> >> actually it is the corporates and middlemen who are making the
                                                  > profits.
                                                  > >> The
                                                  > >> >> chemical fertilizer and pesticide companies and the traders. The
                                                  > >> scientific
                                                  > >> >> community has no reason to promote NF, it will kill their jobs won't
                                                  > it?
                                                  > >> >>
                                                  > >> >>
                                                  > >> >>
                                                  > >> >> Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                                  > >> >>
                                                  > >> >> Warm regards,
                                                  > >> >>
                                                  > >> >> Sumant Joshi
                                                  > >> >> Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                                  > >> >>
                                                  > >> >> >________________________________
                                                  > >> >> >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                                  > >> >>
                                                  > >> >> >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > >> >> >Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2011 7:07 PM
                                                  > >> >>
                                                  > >> >
                                                  > >> >> Boovarahan S
                                                  > >> >>
                                                  > >> >Chennai.
                                                  > >> >09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
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                                                • Sumant Joshi
                                                  Thats a book by Stephen Covey in which he says that if you want to solve problems in your life and blame someone else as being responsible for it, you lose
                                                  Message 24 of 24 , Aug 9, 2011
                                                    Thats a book by Stephen Covey in which he says that if you want to solve problems in your life and blame someone else as being responsible for it, you lose power over your situation. I mean if so n so is responsible, what can I do? I am powerless. But if I say, "let me see how I am responsible for it" then I am taking back the power to do something about it.


                                                    Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone


                                                    Warm regards,

                                                    Sumant Joshi
                                                    Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161



                                                    >________________________________
                                                    >From: Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>
                                                    >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2011 2:42 PM
                                                    >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                                    >
                                                    >Sorry I do not know the power principle oops hehe
                                                    >Well in this group we have already started doing things for our world...I
                                                    >guess...
                                                    >
                                                    >RUTHIE
                                                    >
                                                    >2011/8/9 Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...>
                                                    >
                                                    >> **
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >> You know Ruthie, this population logic falls flat on it's face when I am
                                                    >> confronted with facts like, the US population is 4% of the world's total and
                                                    >> consumes 25% of natural resources. So I guess you are right about developed
                                                    >> countries being greedy. But fortunately, some countries in Europe are waking
                                                    >> up fast.
                                                    >> But blaming others is one way of looking at things. I also have to see what
                                                    >> I can do. Remember "the power principle" ??
                                                    >>
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Warm regards,
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Sumant Joshi
                                                    >> Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                                    >>
                                                    >> >________________________________
                                                    >> >From: Ruthie Aquino <ruthieaquino1@...>
                                                    >>
                                                    >> >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >> >Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2011 1:48 PM
                                                    >>
                                                    >> >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                                    >> >
                                                    >> >Hi Sumant,
                                                    >> >What's this obsession of yours with population growth hahaha?
                                                    >> >I think it's a First World thing so Third world people stop procreating
                                                    >> >because otherwise there would be less to go around for First World people.
                                                    >> >I think First World people should be exhorted to be less greedy, slow down
                                                    >> >the hi-tech race, and eat less.  They're getting obese and blasé.
                                                    >> >I was once harshly criticized for using the term Third World as being
                                                    >> >disparaging.  Sorry I am not a person to belittle countries that are in
                                                    >> the
                                                    >> >course of economic development and are trying to catch up with developed
                                                    >> >countries.
                                                    >> >To cheer up this exchange hehehe attached is a picture of my First World
                                                    >> >harvest from a very small patch-- unlike yours-- using Third World
                                                    >> farming.
                                                    >> >It's a heavy file, I see now, because I was too lazy to downsize....If you
                                                    >> >can't open it I'll try to send a reduced one.
                                                    >> >best
                                                    >> >RUTHIE
                                                    >> >
                                                    >> >2011/8/9 Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...>
                                                    >> >
                                                    >> >> **
                                                    >> >>
                                                    >> >>
                                                    >> >> :)) you mean grow less population?
                                                    >> >>
                                                    >> >>
                                                    >> >> Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                                    >> >>
                                                    >> >> Warm regards,
                                                    >> >>
                                                    >> >> Sumant Joshi
                                                    >> >> Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                                    >> >>
                                                    >> >> >________________________________
                                                    >> >> >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                                    >> >> >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >> >> >Sent: Monday, 8 August 2011 10:13 PM
                                                    >> >>
                                                    >> >> >Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] People, this is an URGENT Heads-Up!!!!
                                                    >> >> >
                                                    >> >> >
                                                    >> >> >
                                                    >> >>  >Oh !
                                                    >> >> >
                                                    >> >> >The more you produce , the less price you get as per demand supply
                                                    >> theory.
                                                    >> >> >
                                                    >> >> >Better grow less and make a demand [?]
                                                    >> >> >
                                                    >> >> >Am I right Sumant ?
                                                    >> >> >
                                                    >> >> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...>
                                                    >> wrote:
                                                    >> >> >
                                                    >> >> >> **
                                                    >> >> >>
                                                    >> >> >>
                                                    >> >> >> Aha!! now we come back to the original and controversial problem. Why
                                                    >> do
                                                    >> >> >> these farmers need more land? to produce more food? obviously to feed
                                                    >> a
                                                    >> >> >> growing population. If there was no market for their produce, why
                                                    >> would
                                                    >> >> they
                                                    >> >> >> bother to grow more?
                                                    >> >> >> But then the government is also enticing them to make more profits,
                                                    >> >> whereas
                                                    >> >> >> actually it is the corporates and middlemen who are making the
                                                    >> profits.
                                                    >> >> The
                                                    >> >> >> chemical fertilizer and pesticide companies and the traders. The
                                                    >> >> scientific
                                                    >> >> >> community has no reason to promote NF, it will kill their jobs won't
                                                    >> it?
                                                    >> >> >>
                                                    >> >> >>
                                                    >> >> >>
                                                    >> >> >> Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                                                    >> >> >>
                                                    >> >> >> Warm regards,
                                                    >> >> >>
                                                    >> >> >> Sumant Joshi
                                                    >> >> >> Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                                                    >> >> >>
                                                    >> >> >> >________________________________
                                                    >> >> >> >From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                                                    >> >> >>
                                                    >> >> >> >To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >> >> >> >Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2011 7:07 PM
                                                    >> >> >>
                                                    >> >> >
                                                    >> >> >> Boovarahan S
                                                    >> >> >>
                                                    >> >> >Chennai.
                                                    >> >> >09962662717 (Vodafone) , 08825889492 (Videocon)
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